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Hi, I'm Jeff Durbin with Apologia Church and End Abortion Now. Just a few short years ago,

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God called us to start End Abortion Now. End Abortion Now at the very beginning was just Apologia Church trying to equip local churches across the

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United States to start abortion mill ministries to save children's lives. We wanted to create a ministry that was a gospel -centered ministry based upon Scripture, the

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Word of God, that was coming out of local churches to once and for all end abortion.

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We also wanted to actually begin a cultural movement to bring the light of the gospel into the conversation of abortion.

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We knew we needed to do that through media. We wanted to actually inundate platforms globally with millions and millions of views with a focus on the gospel itself in conflict with abortion.

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We also wanted to begin the process of raising up these local churches to bring the gospel to their local legislatures.

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Since we began, since you started this ministry with us years ago, since you gave towards this ministry, since you participated with us in this ministry,

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God has raised up almost 500 local churches globally. The amazing thing to us is that these local churches were not only starting this ministry to save lives, to use the gospel, and to work towards an immediate end of abortion in the

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United States of America, but at this point we have churches that are doing this in Australia, New Zealand, all over North America, that's the

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United States and Canada, and even now in Ireland itself. Through your participation with End Abortion Now, God has saved literally thousands of children from death.

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At this point, we have no ability to count how many babies are being saved. I want to give you an update about 2019.

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Many of you guys partnered with us, you prayed with us, you gave towards 2019 in our ministry and mission, and what

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God has done has been absolutely incredible. Not only have we been able to save thousands of children from death, not only have we raised up just so many local churches globally to bring the gospel to their local abortion mills and to demand an immediate end to abortion, we were able to once again spread the message of the gospel in conflict with abortion through media around the globe.

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We did this through regular platforms like Facebook and YouTube, and we were of course able to actually produce the documentary

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Babies Are Still Murdered Here with Marcus Pittman. Not only did Babies Are Still Murdered Here break all the records of the last film, but Babies Are Still Murdered Here is available on YouTube and Facebook and Amazon Prime.

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This film is being seen globally, and what this film does is it actually communicates the gospel itself in conflict with abortion, and it demonstrates the failures of the pro -life movements to work consistently to once and for all criminalize, end, and abolish abortion.

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Through your partnership with End Abortion Now in 2019, you were able to be a part of what God started through this movement, and that is local churches going to their local legislatures demanding an immediate end to abortion, preaching the good news of Jesus Christ to their local legislatures, and demanding an immediate end to abortion in their cities, in their towns, in their states.

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You were a part of that. You helped to make that happen. This happened across the United States of America, and it was everybody from pastors to little children demanding an immediate end to abortion in their cities.

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You helped to start that movement to bring Christians to their legislatures to demand the criminalization, the end, the abolishment of abortion in the

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United States of America. Through your partnership in 2019, you helped us to equip and to send out kits to local churches across the

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United States of America to train those churches, and you were able to help us so that we were doing this completely for free for those churches.

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It was no cost whatsoever to them. You also helped us through your partnership to actually begin a platform where all of these local churches can communicate with one another minute by minute to coordinate, to bring the good news into their cities, into their towns, into their states.

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You also helped us to produce content that would equip these churches to begin their own media ministry so that we could begin the transformation of the culture with the light of the gospel across all social media platforms.

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In 2019, all of this work began because you were a part of it with us at the beginning of the year.

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And we want to say thank you for everything you did with us in 2019. We're grateful to God for all that he's done, and truly, this thing is just beginning.

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In 2020, we have a very big year ahead of us. Now that all the pieces are in place, now that we've actually raised up nearly 500 local churches to do this movement with us, now that we've been able to equip these churches completely for free, now that they're out saving thousands of lives, and now that Christians are beginning the process of speaking to their legislatures with a message of the gospel demanding an immediate end to abortion, and now that we are flooding the media with the content of the gospel in conflict with abortion, we're ready to have 2020 be the first year, we pray, that there would be sanctuary cities and an end of abortion in cities, states, and in this nation.

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That's what we're working towards in 2020. All of the platforms have been laid down. All of the foundations are there.

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2020 is the year where, God willing, we are hoping to raise up so many more churches to begin this work with us to save thousands more lives, but also to work together as a team with all of those churches to once and for all end, criminalize, and abolish abortion in our nation.

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Because you joined together with us, because you served alongside of us, and because you partnered with us in ministry, you made all of this possible.

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All of the thousands of children that are alive today because of Christians going out to preach the gospel in this issue, they're alive today because of your work together with us.

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So we're humbled by it, we're grateful for it, and we want to ask you, whether you've participated with us before or not, to prayerfully consider giving towards this work for 2020, to end abortion, to criminalize it once and for all, and to do it as Christians.

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Help us in 2020 to once and for all end this.

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Help us to shut these places down, and help us to do it with the message of the gospel.

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...yourself. We're going to be in control of your body until it's born, and then once you have it, that's all you. And I think that's kind of an unfair...

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No, I do actually agree with you that we need to make sure that we're caring for women, for mothers and fathers, for children.

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We actually need to. I think we're required, and love would require that sort of a thing. But I think foundationally, we're not really talking about that in terms of the abortion discussion, because what we're talking about is the argument is if something's wrong with the child in the womb, we should be able to kill it.

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And we're saying that if it's raised in poverty, we should be able to kill it. I don't think...

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So I think that's an extreme way to put it, but I guess like... I mean, I just think there's so many more steps that can be taken.

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I think the topic of abortion is a very sensitive topic, obviously, but I think that there's so many other things, like the ban's going to an extreme,

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I feel. And I feel like we're not taking steps, like appropriate steps before getting to this ban that need to be taken. Like I said,

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I think sex education's huge. I think... Yeah, which lacks completely. And even in high school, even in college,

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I did a presentation about it, and many kids don't... Students don't even know even the STIs or even just safe sex in general.

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We have a Walmart across from our campus that doesn't even sell condoms. So it's a lack.

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I just think there should be steps taken forward. I think eventually, maybe down the line, if we were to take these steps in order to prevent this final step of aborting, then maybe we could get to here, but I think we haven't even taken these baby steps to getting to that point, and that's kind of where I'm at.

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Because Planned Parenthood, I know everyone's against them, but they offer so much more than just abortion. So I think they offer a lot, and it's cheaper.

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So there's an argument that could be made in terms of... If we think about this critically, because I respect you immensely, and I believe that God's given us a mind to use it, and to use it well, and to be consistent.

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But if you think about what we're saying, if we say things like Planned Parenthood also offers a lot of other services, well, my response is that Auschwitz served a very good chicken soup, and they clothed, and they fed people, and gave them jobs.

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But what's the main problem we all recognize? Is they were murdering people. So you're comparing the Holocaust to Planned Parenthood, or are you comparing the

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Holocaust to abortions? Well, in the Holocaust, we had a group of people who looked at Jews and said,

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I know it looks like a person. It's not a person. It's a Jew. We're allowed to kill him. And in the abortion discussion, we're saying,

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I know that it technically is a human, and it looks like a human, but we are allowed to kill it. And so in the situation we have around us, we have that thought process that I know that it's a human being.

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There's no disputing that. It can't be disputed. Even Planned Parenthood acknowledges that from the moment of conception, it's human.

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There's no denying that. All it is is a human developing. And so what we need to ask is, when is it okay to murder a human being?

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When is it okay to kill a human? Okay, so then my question for you, so I just had a friend who was her third child. She just had to get it aborted because she had a cyst on her ovaries,

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I believe, or her bladder, and she's in critical care right now, but they had to abort the baby because either the baby was going to die regardless, but the mom was for sure going to die if the baby wasn't aborted.

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So my question is like, so in that instance, is that okay? Like I feel like we're saying black or white, and I feel like there's a lot of gray area that needs to be covered.

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And I feel like it's not a black and white issue. I think there's a lot of, and that's why I'm kind of, the laws are extreme, too extreme for me. Black and white. And I feel there's a lot of gray, and there's a lot of ways that we can help stop aborting as much, or stop, like helping -

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Why would we do that though? I'm sorry. Thank you. Is it a moral problem? Is abortion a moral problem? We would want to lessen the amount, or isn't it just something we just do?

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No, I don't like the idea of abortion. I like the idea of a woman having a choice. And I have worked at a child's facility for about eight years, and I've seen what it looks like, what kids turn into when they don't have supportive parents, and parents that don't want them don't really care for them, and it ruins their lives.

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And that's where I'm like, I would rather - Should they be dead then? Is that what you're arguing? I think they should be educated.

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I think we need to start education. No, I appreciate that. But there's steps. To her argument, I feel for you. As a pastor, we care for so many people in so many different situations, poor families, families with a lot of needs.

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We've cared for tons of families that have considered abortion, and then turned away from the abortion clinic, and now those children are alive.

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I've held them in my arms. But if we talk about what's actually happening,

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I respect the fact that you said I'm not happy about abortion, but I just want you to consider, why not?

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If it's not a moral issue, why not? Isn't it the same as removing a wart or a toenail?

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Or do we recognize, all of us, that it's really something different? I think everybody here recognizes that it's more than removing a wart or a toenail.

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What is it removing? It's removing a life. It is. A human being. But what are your, so, you think rape's okay, and then the woman should carry on her pregnancy?

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No, I think that rapists deserve the death penalty. But not the children. So then the law in Alabama says that rape and incest, that's okay?

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No, no, no. No, it's saying, if you experience this by rape or incest, then you have to carry your baby to term.

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Is that not what it says? Well, I'll respond to that. So, first of all, and this goes back to one of the main points you made a minute ago.

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I'm sorry, I missed it. And that's that less than 2 % of abortions, less than 2 % are for rape, incest, or life of the mother.

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The rest are essentially elective. So less than 2 % are for rape, incest, and life of the mother.

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If we consider that, what's that mean? That the vast majority of abortions are done electively because they just don't want the child or different circumstances.

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So in the issue you brought up, where you have the life of the mother truly in danger, you mentioned, you said, the child's dying anyways.

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And so what you're talking about there is a rescue operation. You're not talking about an elective taking of a human life.

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You're talking about a mother and a child who are hanging off a cliff in a car and you have a chance to grab one of them. But that's not what we're talking about when we're talking about abortion here.

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We're talking about the ability to just kill our children at will. Oh, that's what everyone's here for? Is because we're saying this is a kill your children march?

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I didn't know. Well, in the womb. In the womb, it's a human being from conception. And it's a child.

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So you're saying, so if someone's raped, let's just say. Someone's raped, what do you think? Should that woman carry it to term? That's all I'm asking you. If someone's raped...

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Yeah, I do appreciate the question. If somebody's raped, I think we should give the man the death penalty, not the child.

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So the woman should carry out the birth, is what you're saying? I don't think we should punish children for the crimes of their fathers, no. Okay, so yeah.

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And then... Well, let me ask you that. I'll toss it back to you now. So now, in your worldview, a woman is raped.

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Should the man get the death penalty? Should the man get the death penalty? See that?

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I think that's another life. But that's a life thing, too. So he can die. That's fine. But then like...

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Because he's committed a horrendous, wicked crime. The child hasn't. So in your perspective...

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I would think pro -life, pro -life for everyone, not just like the death penalty where you draw the line at. No, no. I'm hearing you.

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The difference is in terms of a category. A human being who maliciously, wickedly rapes a woman, he deserves to die because he's committed a crime.

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Yeah. But I just want you to consider something. I don't mean this as an attack on you. I mean this with true respect and love for you. You had a hard time answering whether you thought the man should get the death penalty for raping a woman, but you're this fast about the child should die.

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Well, because it's just crazy to me, like I said, with science and everything. And look at the statistics. Look who mostly is affected by people who have to care for their pregnancies.

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It's women of color and women who are low income. That's the majority of the women who have to deal with these pregnancies and then don't get to...

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Aren't going to be able to have these abortions. And to me, that's crazy because it's affecting a certain group of people. It's not affecting... You know what

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I mean? Like statistically, this is majority affecting as well. Do you know the history of Planned Parenthood, Margaret Sanger with black people?

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Do you know that? Yeah. You know that history that she was a very serious racist and she targeted

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African -Americans and this is what really bothers me and troubles me because I think racism is a wicked, evil sin to look at another human being because of a difference in color of skin as a wicked, evil thing.

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Well, Margaret Sanger was not only a rabid racist, but Planned Parenthood, since the very beginning, has set up their locations closest to low income areas and predominantly black areas.

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Planned Parenthood is actually responsible for wiping out much of our black brothers and sisters in this country.

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I think that's kind of like a dramatic just because... No, that's a fact. No, and I believe that. I believe that. I mean, I don't know about that history like prior, like I don't know anything about that, but I'm saying like people evolve, hopefully, is what we're hoping, and that you can like overcome, like you can have a different perspective.

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Except that Planned Parenthoods are still set up in predominantly black areas. And of low income, right? Are they low income?

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And next to female dorms. Female dorms, college campuses where the women are, areas where there's more of a black community and low income areas, yes.

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Yeah, because we've seen that that's usually the communities that are most affected. So Planned Parenthood is predominantly killing black children.

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I mean, I don't know how to statistics on it, like I'm not going to answer that, because I really don't know, like I haven't looked it up, but all

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I know for sure is that those are the communities that are most affected by. So and just in terms of what we're thinking about, when we think about, because you guys are obviously very beautiful people, and you're very loving and gracious.

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But in this case, I just want to encourage you to see that maybe you've adopted a cultural perspective that you haven't fully thought through yet.

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Because you acknowledge completely, and I acknowledge that abortion, we're not happy with that.

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But I just want you to consider this, if abortion is a moral right, then there's no reason not to be happy.

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There's just, there's no consequence to it. So what? Can I ask you a question? But I don't know if you want it on camera. No, go ahead.

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Okay. So I know like a lot with like the Catholic churches and like a lot of churches that there's priests who molest children. And to me, it's kind of like, you guys are choosing, and not you guys, like I don't want to generalize like everyone here, but I'm just saying like a lot of people choose to look at this and say, how are you guys killing children?

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Like, why are you guys so blind? Like, that's like messed up. And it's like, well, we like I can look at that and say, well, you guys are turning a blind eye to a lot of the stuff that happens in the church.

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I am so happy to answer that. And I'm really glad you brought it up because I think it's such an evil thing. First of all, I'm not Roman Catholic. Yeah. But even like a lot of churches, like, you know what

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I mean? But I agree with you. I actually think that the Roman Catholic priests who have been involved in that deserve the death penalty. I think they should be brought up on charges.

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They should be brought up on criminal charges, and they should be given the death penalty as punishment for actually doing such a heinous thing to a child.

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Because we should protect children. You agree? Yeah. I agree. How come not in the womb?

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Well, and this is the thing. So like, it's like I said, there's thousands of kids already in like the country who don't have homes, who don't have parents.

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And like, to me, it's like we could all be working together to help those kids. And we should. We're choosing to focus on this issue.

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Like, and like I said, like, I'm all about like preventative and like education. So like, why are we not preventing or like educating people or preventing it?

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It's like, we're just choosing to. Can I answer that? Hopefully, this is an encouragement, not a point to make you feel small or to refute you.

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But Alabama does the ban. But Alabama is also leading the nation in adoption.

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Did you know that? No, I didn't know that. Okay. So they have a state who said that don't kill these children, and we want all your children.

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And I want you guys to hear from me just as a friend and as a pastor, I've been outside the abortion clinic for years now.

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I've seen, I've seen God save hundreds and hundreds of children, literally thousands across the country.

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I've held these children in my arms when the mom was on in pre -op on the table. And she changed her mind when we were, you know, calling out and trying to help.

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And I've asked hundreds of times outside the abortion clinics, I've said, we'll adopt your baby.

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We'll pay for absolutely everything. You'll have no cost to you whatsoever. And this is the most common response that we've gotten, truly.

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And I think it's heartbreaking. They'll turn around and they'll say to me, I couldn't give my baby up for adoption.

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And then they turn, they go inside and they kill their baby. Do you think that's an easy, like, I'm just curious, do you think that that's an easy decision?

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No, I don't. I don't. So I just feel like when she's like there and that decision's made, I just feel like we shouldn't be like telling her what, that's like my, that's where this all stems from.

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Like the whole abortion thing, like, do I think we should kill kids? Like, obviously not. Like I worked with kids my whole life. Like, I don't think that's an option, but I think women should have a choice.

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That's my whole thing. A choice to kill their kids. If you want to call it that, and you can call it that, I think that's pretty true. Isn't that the truth though?

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Yeah, but like I'm saying, like, I think there should be steps. Like, and it's sad that we've gone to this, like this far, this extreme because we haven't come up with steps to get there yet.

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Shouldn't we say together though? I mean, I'd be willing to work hand in hand with you. We shouldn't kill any children, but we also need to work together to care for all these children that have needs.

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I think we should give them the choice, but I also think we should help them have decisions like, hey, this is sex education first and foremost, because majority of people

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I'm sure don't know much about any, like much about that. Like, that's truth. Like, I never had sex education ever in college, high school, anywhere.

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Like never. Did you go to public school? I did go to public school. I'm in university right now. And so it's just like... You didn't get sex education in public school?

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We learned about our period. We learned about our period. You got it in elementary school. One day. It was menstruating and that was the simplicity of it.

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Anything outside of human sexuality, I've had to take interest on my own and do my own research and then hopefully been able to spread that to my friends.

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And I think that with the whole, we don't, we aren't happy about aborting a baby.

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It's not that, it is the fact that choosing to have an abortion is not easy for women as well.

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And it's a hard decision. I believe that. Because I think anybody who's a mom is going to struggle morally with the issue of taking the life of your own child.

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So of course it's a hard decision to make. I'd say it ought to be a hard decision to make. But can you guys see from even our discussion here that if we're all, we all know we're talking about a human being, if we all know that we don't want this as a good thing, then the solution can't be, well, let's just let it happen because she has a right over her own body.

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I think we all recognize because we're admitting it. What's inside of her is not her body. I think there's more, like, it's more than just that that's in these laws is that that's my issue.

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So like the problem I'm having with it is that, um, like the, you're going to go be sent to jail for having an abortion. Like, I just think like those are kind of extreme and I, what should a mom get who kills her child?

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I don't think a mom should get anything. I think what I, so the woman who, the woman who drove her children into a river, her two kids into a river, taking the first breath of air.

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I don't think that that counts as a living, breathing life. Okay. So that, that helped. That helps me to see your perspective.

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Okay. So if, if a person is in the hospital, they've been in a horrific accident and they're required to be on a ventilator to survive.

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So we have to mechanically make sure they're breathing. They can't breathe on their own. Can I kill that person?

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Cause they can no longer breathe on their own. Um, yeah, yeah, they have wills or not wills, but they have stuff written out for the situations like that.

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I've had my own made that if I'm on like a breathing system or if I'm unable to make my own choices,

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I have it written down what I want and I have my parents who know. So that's your choice to determine what happens with your body.

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Yeah. Because I've had a life and I've had the womb isn't, isn't being allowed to have that, but I've had the life and I've had the opportunity to, to make that choice, but not the baby.

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But if you were aborted right now, you wouldn't be here and you wouldn't know any better. So just kill them. That's what you're making it sound like, but I'm just saying like, you wouldn't know, you know what

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I mean? And like, so if, if I fell over right now and I stopped breathing, would you guys come help me?

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Yes. But your argument is if you're not breathing, you're not human, but you've already taken your first breath of air.

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And you're here with us right now. You are here. So you have a, you have an arbitrary standard that once you breathe, you're human.

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I think, I think the whole thing I think we're trying to get to is that we necessarily like, we think women should just have their own choice.

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Like we understand where you're coming from. I totally respect that. Like I totally get that. And I think that's amazing that you are. Should a man have his choice to rape a woman if he pleases?

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That's his choice? I'm not so, I mean, I think that's so different. Why? It's, it's, it's a person, just to think about the parallel now, a man is doing something to a woman's body.

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It's his body. He's saying, I have a choice over my own body, but he's doing it to somebody else's body.

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You're saying he, he has no right to do to somebody else's body things without their permission. But the woman with the baby in her womb, you're saying she does have permission to violate another person's body without their permission.

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I mean, just really quick, you're comparing rape and abortion. Like you're, are you saying those are the same? Well, I'm saying in terms of a category. In the situation of rape, the man is doing, making a choice with his body.

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What he wants to do to another person's body, right? You're saying no to that, but you're saying yes to the mother who does something to another body within her.

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That's not her body. I think there are going to be ways to twist it and we could probably go back and forth all day. Isn't that a parallel?

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Isn't that a parallel though? I mean, I, I don't see it like that because we have different views and I see your side and I appreciate how nice and how, like how you're going about this conversation.

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And I am, I appreciate that your views, but I think that we can, we'll probably just end up going back and forth all day because we both respect each other's views and we can have conversations, but there's so much gray area and there's so many ways to twist things.

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Can I ask you one question? And again, this is not, this is not to create conflict between us, but just to ask you this with honesty and integrity here.

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Is it possible that you have that perspective that we just have different perspectives because you can't answer the challenge?

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That it's, it's, it's a person doing something with their body as a choice to another human being's body against that person's will?

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So I'm not, I'm not going to say rape and abortion are the same or at least in that, in that instance, like a man's taking his, like whatever, able to control a woman's body, then why is that any different?

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Well, maybe help, maybe clarify. What's wrong with rape? That it's not, it's unwarranted sex, sexual intercourse.

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It's not wanted. Obviously it's someone who is forcing themselves on someone else. Now what's happening in abortion?

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I'm forcing myself onto another human being. I mean, I'm just curious. I haven't looked at the statistics. Like what are the statistics of, like you said, it's a 2 % people who get less than 2 % is, is announced as abortion is for rape.

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Less than 2 % is life incest or sorry, life of the mother incest or rape. I'm just curious.

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Sorry. What is going to happen with all of the children that are no longer allowed to be aborted? They're going to be had.

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And if their parents don't want them, what's going to happen to our adoption sister in foster care? I've seen so many kids get the worst shit end of the stick of foster care and like, it breaks my heart to the point that like, why bring them into this world if you're not going to be there and care and love for them and you can't assure that somebody else will.

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You seem like, you seem, no, no, no. You seem like a very compassionate and a very bright person.

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I mean that sincerely. So just consider this one thing. One is that if I take your argument as you state it, because the child is poor and it's a rough life, we ought to just kill them.

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Oh, I didn't even say poor. There are so many children who are from rich homes who just get ignored. I grew up in Scottsdale with kids who have drug issues, alcohol issues because they have no attention.

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They had no support ever by their rich parents. So they'd be better off dead. They might think so.

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And some of them end up like that because of the choices that they make because of the lack of support. Because of the choices they make.

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Yeah, but it's still the same result because of the lack and love of support. And if those parents would have just known that they wouldn't be able to offer that and can't assure that anybody else can, then maybe they would have saved those kids a whole lot of hurt and a whole lot of pain in their life to the fact that they had to take their own life or they had to get involved with things that did take their life.

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So would you agree that we should have a council of people to determine whether you should live? I don't even know if it should come up.

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You mean like in the womb? Well, like what you're arguing is that people should be able to make the determination that your life's going to be too hard.

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I'll decide for you. You should die. Oh, no. Absolutely not. Because there's no way to predict that. You just said that's what you would do if parents would have known and could predict that children would be raised and have difficulties, they should be able to kill them.

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No, I didn't mean predict like that. I meant like if the mother carrying it is not going to be there and offer that support and know that or know that it has the possibility of getting that, which

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I'm not saying it doesn't because they totally, there are some great, my stepmom was adopted. I'm not against adoption at all, but our adoption system and our foster care system is so messed up right now.

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Adding millions of children into that is just. So one thing, just to go look this up because I think it would really bless you in Colorado, the

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Christian church in Colorado worked together in Colorado's adoption system and they cleared it out.

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Maybe. Right? And so I want to say this, and this is just probably something, I don't know if we'd agree on it or not, but it's, it's, it's,

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I think it's, it would be solid. Early on in American history, it was the Christian churches that actually owned the orphanage and adoption care system.

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And we were doing amazing with it. When the government stepped in and took over the adoption system and the agencies and everything else the way that they have now, we've seen this catastrophic situation with the adoption care industry and the orphanages and all the rest.

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So I think when you allow the state to get involved in what the church should be involved in and they control it, it creates massive conflict.

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But I think that when you see the Christian churches working together in the orphanages and the adoption care industry, we're actually, we're actually owning that and we're doing a good job when we're in control of those, those things.

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So the Christian churches and Christian agencies across the country are the ones who are actually leading in the orphanage care system and everything else.

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We're the ones that are doing the most. And I think when you give it to the state, you create devastation, awful stuff that you and I would probably be standing outside together fighting against.

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But I just want to, I want to just show you something. This means so much to me. You guys hear this. You guys are lovely, bright, compassionate people.

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You have so much concern for children. That's amazing. Why not for the children in the womb?

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So I just have a question. This is like kind of like a side note kind of thing. Do you think there should be any steps, like honestly, like any steps before there's any kind of like the abortion factor gets in there?

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Do you think we should educate like children on sex and like, do you think contraception should be available to like more people?

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I think, okay. I appreciate that question. Yeah. Yeah. So I think that we, I think we need to get back to a place in our country where we actually recognize that we are not a law unto ourselves, that there's a law higher than us and we should teach people about the value and beauty and dignity of life and sex because our kids are being taught in public schools now, um, any, any form of sex that you desire, whatever your affections are, that's, that's what you should do.

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You should go for it. There's no pure standard of sexuality. You should do whatever you, whatever you please, whatever your affections are.

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We're teaching women that they're not so valuable as to actually preserve themselves for a man that actually commits themselves to them.

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I think you should definitely have like, we've adopted a mindset that women are not so valuable and their sexuality not so amazing that it should be reserved for a person who is actually in love with them and committed to them for life.

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We teach women that you can give yourself away to whoever and if they, if they throw you away later, hey, at least you got to enjoy yourself or something to that effect.

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So I think we should teach people that, that they're, that they are valuable, they're image bearers of God and sex is actually a beautiful, amazing, powerful thing that is, should be protected.

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And because we don't teach that, of course we have girls with all these guys who are just deadbeats taking advantage of girls, taking advantage of their bodies for their own pleasure, for their own joy, and then just kicking them aside.

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And so you have, yeah, the abuse of women in our culture, I think it's because we've abandoned a Christian view of sexuality and women.

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But so do you think that, but do you think that fits everyone? I mean, so we know it's not realistic for everybody because like you said, like not everyone has that mindset.

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So what would be more realistic step to take? I mean, obviously not everyone, not everyone's going to wait until marriage to have sex, but so then what's your, what's your other solution?

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My secondary solution besides coming into a relationship of peace and forgiveness with God through Christ is that we absolutely should tell people if you're going to go that direction and devalue other human beings in this way and your sexuality, of course

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I would prefer someone wears a condom so they don't risk actually creating another life. But if you do create a precious human being in the womb, you can't kill it.

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Do you think that anything should happen to the men who then leave their children for the women to do? Yes.

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Yes. Yes. Yes. So, okay. So I don't want to get into a big belabored detail story of American history, but in American history when you had people who were essentially looking to like God's word and God's law as the standard, they saw people as having dignity, respect, value.

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Women were, were seen as equal to men, um, and in terms of their value and the human dignity and all the rest.

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And yes, actually in God's law, if you get somebody pregnant, God's law commanded that you actually are now required to take care of that woman.

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You can't be abusive to her and now leave her in an American history. If there was a deadbeat dad, he can be brought up on criminal charges.

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He had to actually flee to another town. If he wasn't going to take care of his kids, he had to leave his town because that town so valued the woman and the baby that they would say, you are morally responsible to take care of that child.

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We don't even care about that anymore. What about for the men who leave? We get 99 years for an abortion and they get...

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I'm so glad you asked that. Can I, I think that the Alabama law had a lot lacking and I think one of the things that should have been clarified is that anybody who's involved in the murder of an innocent human being, anybody should be criminally punished as well.

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So is that part of the law or is that what you mean? Well, that's what I'm saying should be added. You need to be, and they need to be clear. It's not just the, it's not just the abortionist, but if the father is bringing the child in, he's equally guilty.

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He's guilty and that needs to be clarified. And I think in a lot of situations, women are pressured by men to get abortions as well.

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I agree. We have a lot of people who are making laws and regulations right now who have had mistresses have abortions. So it's crazy to me that you're kind of like hypocritical.

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Very much so. And I'm glad you see it. But can I just point you guys to this? I think the reason that we all see that together and we despise that kind of hypocrisy is because we're all made in God's image.

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You're all uniquely made by God. We all know the same God ultimately. But I want to say that the reason we know that it's wrong is because we have his law written in our hearts.

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We know that we ought to love other human beings. We know that we ought to hate hypocrisy and that's why we do.

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But what I'm arguing for as a Christian is that the answer to our nation is through faith in Christ, knowing him, having peace with God through what he's done for us, his cross and resurrection.

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That's the ultimate answer is that we need to be changed from the heart up, from the heart up. So I just have one more thing to say and then

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I think we want to go join everybody. I get it. Yeah. But, oh my gosh, I just totally forgot.

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That's okay. Take your time. Feel free. No rush. No rush. You said like communities used to like, what do you say, like shun, kind of like the husband?

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They would. If the guy actually, the guy had to actually, sorry, the guy had to actually leave the town to escape because if he stayed in town, he would be put up on criminal charges for not taking care of his child.

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But because we've abandoned God's word in our country and we don't have a Christian worldview anymore predominantly, nobody thinks like that.

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So secular, secular legislators don't think with a biblical worldview where they actually say, no, there's a standard here and the woman has to be loved and respected and the child.

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We don't think like that anymore. So in world religion classes and religion classes I've taken, I've always learned that women were always subservient to men until recently.

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I feel like this is a time where actually women have more control and more power. And to me, this is where I'm feeling more equal to a man than, I mean, obviously

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I haven't been around for years, but like, I just feel like there's more of a time, you know what I mean? No, I'm so glad you asked that. And this is, I think, important because there's a lot of propaganda on both sides.

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By the way, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not going Republican at all. There's propaganda on both sides of the aisle and the whole idea of like women and our culture now being seen as having more rights and everything else.

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But it's important to note that the worldview taught in schools today doesn't teach that you're valuable.

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It teaches that you and I are the products of purposeless evolutionary processes that didn't have us in mind.

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Our ancestors were fish, and then we were apes, and now here we are.

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There's nothing different between you and I and rocks and snails and horses and dogs. That's the worldview promulgated in our world today.

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The idea of equality between men and women isn't even historic in really most cultures except Christianity, because the

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Bible says there's neither male nor female in Jesus Christ. And then we're all created as the image of God together.

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So in the biblical worldview from literally Genesis chapter 1, men and women are the image of God equal from the start.

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Now we do have different roles, like I'm a dad. My wife's here somewhere.

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There she is. She's a mom, right? We have different roles. But according to God's word from literally the first chapter, we're literally the same.

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There is no one higher or lower. We have different functions. But think about this. The worldview that you and I were taught in public school, because I went to public school, the worldview that we're taught is that you're a cosmic accident.

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No different than dirt, rocks, fish, literally.

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I didn't learn about that in school. I never felt that way or felt like that. Because you're in the image of God and you're not that.

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But that is being taught in school. And I want to say that that worldview so debases you as women, it ought to be abandoned.

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And I want to say that what's happening here, I love and respect you. But I want to just suggest to you one thing, and that's that I can be impacted by my surroundings.

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No question. I'll confess something. I wasn't raised in a Christian church. So when I first became a

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Christian at 16, I went to a church that actually taught me some things that just weren't even in the Bible. And I had to actually come to grips with the fact that I was impacted by my teachers and my traditions.

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And I had to ultimately abandon them because I saw that's not what the Bible says. And I had to turn away from it.

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But I just want to suggest to you in the same way, we're all impacted by our traditions and culture. And is it possible that you've been impacted by cultural apologetics and propaganda to the degree that you have three beautiful, wonderful, thoughtful women who love children so much and have so much concern for them.

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But in this case, you've adopted a position that comes right into conflict with that.

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We both agree that there definitely needs to be laws to be helping these mothers and families with who may be thinking about getting an abortion.

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But until that is seen, I don't think it's okay to take away a woman's choice and not even a woman's, a man and woman's, if they both decide that they cannot have a child.

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Then I don't think it's fair to take that away without any other laws being put in place to help them first.

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And that's kind of like my closing. Yeah. I get it. I know you have to go. And like I said, if I think there was more steps taken ahead of time, maybe we'd be on the same side.

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If there was more steps taken, like I said, my whole education and contraceptives, and those are still disregarded.

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There's like thousands of abortions still happening. Then maybe be like, wait a second, there is something still like kind of off. And then we'd probably on the same side, like talking about it.

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But as of right now, I think there's so much like gray area still. And like I see what you're saying, like, is murder okay in like the womb?

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And I'm like, I see what you're saying. I don't want to say yes, but like, I don't want to make that decision.

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But in these circumstances, you think we should be able to kill humans in the womb? I think so, yeah. You do?

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Yeah, I think that's what we're here for. And that's our choice. And that's a choice that we are allowed to make for now.

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And until then, we will fight for that choice until laws are put in place to help us instead of just hurt our families and children coming into the world.

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Yeah, teachers. Can I just say one last word as you guys go? I don't believe that you really believe that.

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Here's why. I believe that if we went out together for the rest of the day to go eat together and hang out together and we saw another human being abusing another human being, we would all stand up together to get in their way to stop them.

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I wish there were more people like that, though. But in this case, you've adopted a position that says, but in this isolated case, we ought to be able to kill the most innocent and defenseless among us.

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Okay. There you go. Okay. All right. It was Jeff. It was great to meet you. And Simone, you were wonderful.

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Thank you so much. Thank you. It was great talking to you. Thank you so much. Hi, I'm Jeff Durbin with Apologia Church and End Abortion Now.

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Just a few short years ago, God called us to start End Abortion Now. End Abortion Now at the very beginning was just Apologia Church trying to equip local churches across the

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United States to start abortion mill ministries to save children's lives. We wanted to create a ministry that was a gospel -centered ministry based upon scripture, the word of God, that was coming out of local churches to once and for all end abortion.

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We also wanted to actually begin a cultural movement to bring the light of the gospel into the conversation of abortion.

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We knew we needed to do that through media. We wanted to actually inundate platforms globally with millions and millions of views with a focus on the gospel itself in conflict with abortion.

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We also wanted to begin the process of raising up these local churches to bring the gospel to their local legislatures.

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Since we began, since you started this ministry with us years ago, since you gave towards this ministry, since you participated with us in this ministry,

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God has raised up almost 500 local churches globally. The amazing thing to us is that these local churches were not only starting this ministry to save lives, to use the gospel, and to work towards an immediate end of abortion in the

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United States of America, but at this point, we have churches that are doing this in Australia, New Zealand, all over North America, that's the

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United States and Canada, and even now in Ireland itself. Through your participation with End Abortion Now, God has saved literally thousands of children from death.

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At this point, we have no ability to count how many babies are being saved. I want to give you an update about 2019.

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Many of you guys partnered with us, you prayed with us, you gave towards 2019 in our ministry and mission, and what

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God has done has been absolutely incredible. Not only have we been able to save thousands of children from death, not only have we raised up just so many local churches globally to bring the gospel to their local abortion mills and to demand an immediate end to abortion, we were able to once again spread the message of the gospel in conflict with abortion through media around the globe.

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We did this through regular platforms like Facebook and YouTube, and we were of course able to actually produce the documentary

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Babies Are Still Murdered Here with Marcus Pittman. Not only did Babies Are Still Murdered Here break all the records of the last film, but Babies Are Still Murdered Here is available on YouTube and Facebook and Amazon Prime.

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This film is being seen globally, and what this film does is it actually communicates the gospel itself in conflict with abortion, and it demonstrates the failures of the pro -life movements to work consistently to once and for all criminalize, end, and abolish abortion.

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Through your partnership with End Abortion Now in 2019, you were able to be a part of what God started through this movement, and that is local churches going to their local legislatures demanding an immediate end to abortion, preaching the good news of Jesus Christ to their local legislatures, and demanding an immediate end to abortion in their cities, in their towns, in their states.

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You were a part of that. You helped to make that happen. This happened across the United States of America, and it was everybody from pastors to little children demanding an immediate end to abortion in their cities.

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You helped to start that movement to bring Christians to their legislatures to demand the criminalization, the end, the abolishment of abortion in the

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United States of America. Through your partnership in 2019, you helped us to equip and to send out kits to local churches across the

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United States of America to train those churches, and you were able to help us so that we were doing this completely for free for those churches.

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It was no cost whatsoever to them. You also helped us through your partnership to actually begin a platform where all of these local churches can communicate with one another minute by minute to coordinate, to bring the good news into their cities, into their towns, into their states.

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You also helped us to produce content that would equip these churches to begin their own media ministry so that we could begin the transformation of the culture with the light of the gospel across all social media platforms.

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In 2019, all of this work began because you were a part of it with us at the beginning of the year, and we want to say thank you for everything you did with us in 2019.

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We're grateful to God for all that he's done, and truly this thing is just beginning. In 2020, we have a very big year ahead of us.

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Now that all the pieces are in place, now that we've actually raised up nearly 500 local churches to do this movement with us, now that we've been able to equip these churches completely for free, now that they're out saving thousands of lives, and now that Christians are beginning the process of speaking to their legislatures with a message of the gospel demanding an immediate end to abortion, and now that we are flooding the media with the content of the gospel in conflict with abortion, we're ready to have 2020 be the first year we pray that there would be sanctuary cities and an end of abortion in cities, states, and in this nation.

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That's what we're working towards in 2020. All of the platforms have been laid down. All of the foundations are there.

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2020 is the year where, God willing, we are hoping to raise up so many more churches to begin this work with us to save thousands more lives, but also to work together as a team with all of those churches to once and for all end, criminalize, and abolish abortion in our nation.

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Because you joined together with us, because you served alongside of us, and because you partnered with us in ministry, you made all of this possible.

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All of the thousands of children that are alive today because of Christians going out to preach the gospel in this issue, they're alive today because of your work together with us.

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So we're humbled by it, we're grateful for it, and we want to ask you, whether you've participated with us before or not, to prayerfully consider giving towards this work for 2020, to end abortion, to criminalize it once and for all, and to do it as Christians.

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Help us in 2020 to once and for all end this.

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Help us to shut these places down, and help us to do it with the message of the gospel.

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This is why abortion is still legal, a negative view of children. How we see children in our culture today is often not only unhealthy, but just flat out unbiblical.

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Instead of looking to God's word for how we should structure our families and how we should view the blessing of children, we ascribe to the world's wisdom.

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We often put off starting a family until later in our marriages when we've had the time to have fun first.

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Despite false claims of overpopulation by environmentalists and abortion advocates, we're actually facing a fertility crisis where people are producing less and less children because kids are seen increasingly as burdens on how mobile or independent or free we can be.

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Now there's nothing wrong with having fun or traveling or getting a degree, but the truth is that just like all other issues of life, our thoughts and feelings about children flow from the condition of our hearts.

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Are we honoring God with our family planning? How we view children is intimately tied to how we view

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God and his plan of salvation. The dominion mandate is still in full effect, all the way back to the

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Garden of Eden, and God commands us to multiply, fill the earth, and subdue it. This doesn't mean that we should be irresponsible, but it does mean that we should obey

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God and not put off marriage and children for the sake of preserving our own measure of so -called freedom.

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Men and women, husbands and wives, are truly free and can truly embrace their calling when they're operating according to God's structure and design.

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The Bible calls children a gift from the Lord and the fruit of the womb and inheritance. The propagation of a godly seed and the training of that next generation to love

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God and serve him is an essential part of the global conquest of the victory of the gospel of the kingdom.

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We have to bring our view of children into conformity to God's view of them. We have to live out the implications of the gospel of the kingdom in our families with our children, because they are the fruit of God's blessing and are basic, fundamental to what it means to advance his kingdom in the world.

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I was born in Las Vegas, and some of my best, favorite, most emotional, intimate memories are from when

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I was a little boy, and I would go to visit family in Las Vegas, and I remember distinctly, really distinctly, always flying into Las Vegas at nighttime.

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And I remember looking out the window of the airplane always as a little boy. My favorite moment was when we were coming into Las Vegas, and you could see just darkness, but this city lighting up everything.

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And I remember as a little boy just thinking how glorious it looked and how beautiful and amazing, and I was in awe of this city that I was born in.

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And I remember the feeling of just seeing just pure darkness and this light just lighting up the darkness.

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And to this day, whenever I'm traveling or doing ministry and we get to come through Vegas, one of my favorite things to do is to come into Las Vegas at nighttime and see the lights lighting everything up.

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And it's amazing, too, because if you look around this incredible spectacle in the desert, you see just the lights and the veneer, but underneath the surface of all of this is this intense idolatry, rebellion, and opposition.

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You see here is a city that is called, what, Sin City.

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What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. That's the motto, right? People come here from all over the world.

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I mean, you walk down the streets here just tonight, you can hear accents from all over the world,

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Ireland, Scotland, England, Africa, everywhere. I mean, it's all represented on the street here.

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And people come here from all over the world to party, to engage in the pursuit of pleasure.

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It's underneath all of this. All of the lights in darkness here is just a veneer.

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It's just on the surface. And underneath it is this intense rebellion and pursuit of pleasure.

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There is the pursuit of drugs and alcohol and sex, sex without consequences, only it has a tremendous amount of consequences.

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Underneath all of this sex without consequences, the idolatry of sexual immorality is the consequence of life, the beauty of life, the forming of a new life.

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And in this town, in this city with no consequences and where what happens here stays here, you have the consequence of all of the sexual immorality and all the rest, and you have the consequence which is really glorious consequence, and that's life, the beauty of life.

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And in this town, you have Planned Parenthood and the abortion facilities that actually address the consequences of what happens here, stays here, and you have children every single day in this city and in this state that are killed as a result of this kind of a lifestyle.

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And it's really an amazing blessing to see that since God formed

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End Abortion Now through Apologia Church, we have churches in Nevada and in Las Vegas who are bringing the gospel into this city in the darkness, into the context of the pursuit of pleasure, the gospel to the abortion mill, saving lives.

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It's incredible, actually, when you think about that experience I had as a little boy flying into the darkness and then seeing this city in the darkness, lighting up the darkness.

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It's really actually how Jesus describes the church, is that that's our mission.

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Our mission is to be salt. Salt is a preservative. It actually stops things from spoil and decay.

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It's not just to make things taste better. It's to stop things from spoil and decay and rot.

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And Jesus says that we're the light of the world. We're the ones that actually set light into darkness and light dispels darkness.

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And that really is the mission of the church in the world. People ask the question, should we be involved in bringing the gospel in the area of abortion?

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I mean, isn't it enough just to be pro -life within the walls of the church and pro -life between our ears and in our homes?

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Is that enough? And the answer is no, not according to Jesus in his most famous sermon.

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He calls us to be salt that actually stops things from spoil and decay, and he calls us to be light that dispels the darkness.

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We're supposed to be, as the church, the city in darkness, that when people actually look into the world and all the darkness in the world, it's the people of God that are lighting up the darkness.

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We're supposed to be that incredible spectacle in the desert, this wasteland of lostness and sin in the world.

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We're supposed to be that amazing spectacle of light that is just blazing out of the darkness and dispelling the darkness.

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That's the mission of the church. And you can be a part of it. We actually have lights right now in the desert bringing the gospel into the area of abortion.

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And you can actually sign up your church and bring the gospel into conflict with abortion and you can save lives.

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Just a couple of days ago we learned about four lives saved just in one morning. Thousands of lives have been saved.

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You can be a part of being that light and that salt. Just go to endabortionnow .com

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and you can get your church signed up for free, get free training and get free resources to be a part of the mission of the church, to be that light in the darkness, to be that salt that stops things from spoiling and decaying and to bring the gospel into conflict with the issue of abortion.

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You can sign up right now for free. Free training, free resources, everything is given away to your local church.

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Just go to endabortionnow .com. Across the country women and men speaking out for and against abortion bans.

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Even here in Arizona where there is already a law on the books. So where does our state stand on the issue?

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You're an unaborted baby. Am I an unaborted baby? Yeah. No, my child that I didn't kill? Abortion does not exist.

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How does it feel to have something in common with the Taliban? They agree with you. They agree with you.

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They have adopted or if they fostered, because a lot of people can't and I can respect that. It's a very long, it's a very screwed up process and that is also part of what's wrong with America.

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Yes. Do you ever give money or volunteer your time to any of those organizations to help the thousands upon thousands upon thousands of children that are unwanted?

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Can I answer that? Sure. Yeah. We work with Christian Family Care Agency. We've given lots of money. We've actually helped to support women who have these children, families.

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We have multiple families in our church that we've helped through the adoption process. We've actually taken those classes.

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We've encouraged and put people into those classes. We've actually held classes and seminars at our church for adoption and we have adopted children running around our church.

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Okay. Any that are not denominational because, and I say this with all due respect.

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So now the standard is denomination? Okay. But my question, I do say this with all due respect.

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A lot of times these children who are waiting on foster care, who are waiting on adoptive care are not coming through any kind of Christian or faith -based organization.

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True. Okay? Okay. But I'm failing to see here. When I answered the objection and there's no response,

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I'm getting to it. If you could allow a long enough answer, I'm going to get to it. So when

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I give you the foundation that yes, we have in fact adopted children, we do classes on adopting children, we feed adoption children, all those things.

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When I answer that and you don't respond to that and you say yes, but not just Christian, what I want to say is where does this get us to in the abortion discussion?

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Because it seems like what's being argued here is there are a lot of kids who are struggling and in poverty and therefore we should kill them.

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I'm talking to her. I'm talking to her, ma 'am. I'll get to you next. Go ahead. Please don't interrupt her. We can get to your question.

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Okay. So I totally understand that. And my position, actually, with all due respect to everyone around in the circle, is not that abortion rights or women's rights have nothing to do with just killing babies.

01:00:00

Okay? And everything to do... I mean this with all due respect. Can you explain what you mean? I don't really think I know what you mean. I'm about to, actually.

01:00:06

Okay. And it has everything to do with control.

01:00:13

So you... Okay. Can you explain what that has to do with what I just said to you? Sure. I can.

01:00:19

Okay. It's about control. I said we should kill the poor kids. No. They're in orphanages.

01:00:25

That's not what I said. They should die early on. Wow. You're totally putting words in my mouth. No. Your argument's here where because there's an orphanage system and a foster care problem, because kids struggle as they're growing up, they should just be able to be killed when they're in the womb.

01:00:39

No. Wow. What's your argument? So what I said, or what I asked, actually, was is are there answers from your perspective that are not

01:00:50

Christian or faith -based, okay, in helping unwanted children?

01:00:57

Well, we're... Okay, I'm going to answer that question. And that's from this perspective is that it's impossible to be neutral.

01:01:05

You're not neutral, and I'm not neutral. We all have a worldview. And what I would argue is that without the word of God and a biblical word...

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I'm answering the question. I am. I'm trying to answer. I'm trying to answer, ma 'am.

01:01:18

If you could let me show her enough respect. So I want to respect what you asked me.

01:01:25

I apologize for her behavior. So everybody has a worldview. Everybody has a worldview.

01:01:31

I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I apologize again. So everybody has a worldview, right?

01:01:38

So you have a worldview, and I have a worldview. And I would argue that apart from the biblical worldview, there is no human...

01:01:44

I'm sorry. There is no human value and dignity. So you said without using the

01:01:50

Bible. But if I don't use the Bible... Right. So if I don't use the word of God as a foundation, then you and I are just purposeless protoplasm bobbing around in a cosmos that didn't have us in mind.

01:02:04

If our ancestors were fish, which I'm not sure what you... Do you accept that worldview?

01:02:09

Are you an atheist, agnostic? Okay. So if... I'll show you how it does matter.

01:02:16

I'll show you how it matters. Okay. So it matters because we have to ask the question, what is this lovely person right here?

01:02:26

What is she? She's lovely. She's wonderful. She's beautiful. I'd say we all have... We all have a perspective that says that she's worthy of value, dignity, and respect.

01:02:35

But we have to have a basis to say that because... Watch this. We have to be able to say this.

01:02:41

This is a random result of evolutionary processes according to our dominant secular worldview.

01:02:47

Right? The universe didn't have us in mind or her in mind. According to the predominant worldview today, she's a cosmic accident and so is this.

01:02:56

My worldview says, no. She's unique and in the image of God and deserves value, dignity, love, and respect.

01:03:04

My question is, if you abandon the biblical worldview, what basis do you have to call anything lovely or worthy of respect?

01:03:13

All right. So in that same vein, if you believe that we are all worthy of dignity and respect, do you believe that a child of rape is an act of God?

01:03:28

So you didn't answer the challenge I gave to you, but I'm happy to answer all that you asked me.

01:03:35

So you didn't answer how we can see other humans as valuable, but I'll answer the question about rape. Can you give me a yes or no answer?

01:03:42

Sure. I'd love to give you the answer to the issue of rape. I believe that the human being in the womb is always worthy of our value, love, and respect and protection.

01:03:51

And I do believe that the rapist deserves the death penalty, but not the child.

01:03:58

So that's... I didn't suggest murder. No, I didn't suggest murder.

01:04:05

There's a difference between... Here's the difference. A human being that goes so far as to do such a wicked and evil thing to a woman has determined to commit a crime that is worthy of death.

01:04:19

I'm not suggesting that we do vigilante justice and go kill that person. I'm saying there should be a trial, criminal proceedings, and any man who would actually do such a wicked thing to a woman deserves to die.

01:04:31

Your position is that the child deserves the death penalty. So do you believe in absolute good and absolute evil?

01:04:40

I believe that God's character is the absolute standard of good, yes. And can there be good without evil?

01:04:49

I believe that... And evil without good? I believe that God's character is the standard of good.

01:04:55

And I believe that anything that is against the character of God is evil. And I don't mean this to make you feel bad or to try to win debate points, but I mean genuinely,

01:05:07

I want to ask you this question. When I said that the man who rapes a woman deserves the death penalty, everybody went up in arms.

01:05:14

How could you believe such a thing, but you all believe the child deserves it? Okay, but you are also inflicting your opinion on the person being raped.

01:05:25

Do you understand that? Can you explain what you mean? I'm saying that the man deserves the death penalty. So I want to tell you a story.

01:05:32

I worked in a domestic violence shelter for years. I held the hand of a 12 -year -old little girl raped by her stepfather who looked me in the eyes with tears and said to me,

01:05:48

I don't want this thing in my body. What do you say to that girl?

01:05:57

I would want to come alongside that girl, love her, care for her, support her, and work towards justice.

01:06:04

Well, I'm answering. I would want the man who did that to receive the death penalty, but I don't believe that we should give the death penalty to the child.

01:06:13

You still haven't answered that. You believe that the man should not get the death penalty, but the child should.

01:06:20

Okay, but I don't believe what you're doing is cutting out and totally neglecting the girl in the middle.

01:06:26

No, ma 'am. I actually just denied that. I said we should come alongside her, come alongside her, support her, love her.

01:06:34

About what happened to her. Well, what we shouldn't say is that we should kill the children of criminals.

01:06:42

The child, what has the child done in the womb? Okay, but the child is the 12 -year -old child first.

01:06:48

This is a fallen world. Evil and wicked things happen in this fallen world, which is why you hate it so much, this evil thing that happened.

01:06:56

But we don't solve the problem of evil and injustice by perpetrating more injustice upon other children.

01:07:01

And yet it's okay to perpetrate, to kill her rapists.

01:07:08

There's a baby here. There's a baby here. Respect the bubble. Respect the bubble. Leave your baby at home.

01:07:15

If you're so concerned about your child, leave your baby at home. So you care about babies?

01:07:23

You care about babies? Oh, you're fine. I just didn't want to bother you. Black babies are aborted. Do you understand how many

01:07:28

African American babies are aborted? Do you know how many white babies are aborted? Do you know how many Asian babies are aborted? Well, it matters. Let me ask you a question.

01:07:35

Who knows about Margaret Sanger? Who knows about Margaret Sanger? Do you know about Margaret Sanger?

01:07:40

Do you know that she was a very vocal racist and hated black people? Do you know that she believed that it would be good to actually wipe out the black population through abortion?

01:07:56

Where are most Planned Parenthood set up, predominantly? Where are they set up? You're going to make this a race issue now.

01:08:02

That's the issue. This is a race issue. This is a woman's right. The issue of abortion is certainly a race issue as well.

01:08:10

It is a human rights issue. But it's also a human rights issue. But I want to say, for someone that is a beautiful black woman like yourself,

01:08:20

I have concern. I have concern for you as an image bearer of God. I want to show you respect and love.

01:08:27

I want to show you love and respect and concern. And I want to say that someone who is a sister in humanity, your lack of concern for where this comes from, and there's the typical apologetic of Planned Parenthood supporters, no argument, just talking about their pussies.

01:08:54

Can you explain how I'm going in circles? I'm not talking into your...

01:09:00

Get that out of my face. So you can't engage in a national dialogue. You can't engage in a national dialogue. Okay, so what about the fertility clinics, and it's all okay for embryos in fertility clinics to be destroyed?

01:09:15

Evil. Absolutely evil. That's not a law, sir. That's a law. Absolutely evil, and we're going to fight against that as well.

01:09:22

Well, why aren't you doing that now? Well, here's what we're doing. Why aren't you standing out in front of fertility clinics saying, well, wait, let me speak.

01:09:29

You've been talking a long time. I'm saying why don't you go out into fertility clinics and be protesting their destruction of embryos right there?

01:09:40

May I answer? My second point is what are they going to do with all those embryos in fertility clinics if they are not destroyed?

01:09:51

What's going to happen to them? Can I answer number one? Our fight here against this is fighting for protecting all humans from conception, and you are human from conception.

01:10:02

You're recognizing that right now by talking about the fertility clinics and the embryos. So let me finish.

01:10:09

I'll let you finish. Okay, let's be fair to each other. Can we be fair to each other?

01:10:14

I'll let you do two. Okay, okay. So may I please? May I please? You gave me two.

01:10:21

Ma 'am, if you're not going to let me finish the conversation. Ma 'am, you didn't let me finish.

01:10:28

You didn't let me finish. Ma 'am, can I finish a thought? You had two points.

01:10:35

May I finish without interruption? Okay, so number one.

01:10:42

When you bring up the moral problem of the fertility clinic by saying those are embryos that are fertilized, you're demonstrating that you recognize that they are human and it's a problem.

01:10:50

The next thing is, again, I'm addressing your argument. Feel free to respond after.

01:10:56

Feel free to respond after. Next, snowflake babies. There you go.

01:11:03

So this is what happens, boys. When you get into conversations with women like this and you engage their arguments, you'll see that they don't have a way to respond.

01:11:11

They always walk away. That's the critical thing to see. No. What's that?

01:11:19

Who's calling a name? They're called snowflake. No, no, no, no, no.

01:11:25

Ma 'am, hey. And there you go. You should, before you try to use something as an argument, feel free to ask me.

01:11:34

Feel free to ask me. No, I say feel free to ask. Thank you. So it's actually a very amazing thing where these fertilized eggs are then implanted into the uterus and women give birth to these babies.

01:11:47

There's actually a really incredible story, an incredible story, that there's one human being who is actually 15 or 16 years on ice and is now running around because it's a snowflake baby, put into the womb, given a chance to grow and to develop.

01:12:05

And so that's what we do with them. And Christians are doing it across the country. Well, I have people.

01:12:17

I have people actually in our. I'm trying to answer. I'm trying to answer. We have people who are within our church that were ectopic pregnancies.

01:12:27

But that's not. That's anecdotal evidence. People at your church.

01:12:32

You asked me what to do about it, and I said. I'm asking you why is that not okay.

01:12:38

If a child is going to kill the mother and itself, you cannot terminate the pregnancy?

01:12:44

An ectopic pregnancy. People are talking about taking it out of the body and then re -implanting it in the womb.

01:12:52

May I answer? May I answer? Just give me a few seconds to answer. Are you aware of the statistics on abortion that less than 2 % are for life, incest, or rape?

01:13:05

You have no idea. Less than 2%. Less than 2%. There are records.

01:13:11

You can see this. And there you go. And that's typically what happens. Just so you know, abortion is still legal in all 50 states.

01:13:20

Actually, it's illegal in Arizona. AZ Statute 13 -3603. Roe v. Wade federal law trumps all of that.

01:13:26

No, ma 'am, that's not how it works. Supreme Court does not create law. What's our Constitution say about creation of law?

01:13:32

If you want to. If you like. You seem really friendly. I'm so sorry.

01:13:39

It's okay. It's okay. You can challenge it. You can challenge it. Can I ask you a question?

01:13:45

Our Constitution, what does it say about law? Who creates law? Can you just please answer? You can't.

01:13:51

You can't answer. The Supreme Court does not create law according to our Constitution. Congress makes law.

01:13:58

So the Supreme Court was an opinion, not a law. Federal statute.

01:14:05

There's been no federal statute. There's been no federal statute. Ma 'am, you need to educate yourself on the law.

01:14:11

God bless you. All right. Thank you, officers. Appreciate your protection. Councilman DiCiccio, if you're serious, prove it.

01:14:25

Help us end it. In this state and in this city. Good afternoon,

01:14:31

Phoenix Council members. My name is Zachary Conover, and I return once again today in order to bring to your attention the plight of the most oppressed people group in our state.

01:14:39

They're the ones being victimized in our communities. They're the ones who are having violations done to them apart from giving their consent.

01:14:47

They're the ones having their bodily autonomy disregarded as they continue to be subjected to daily acts of terror, denied their most basic human rights.

01:14:56

They remain defenseless against the hands that would seek to label them as undocumented and remove them from the refuge of their parents.

01:15:04

The victimized group I speak of are the unborn children that are systematically murdered by abortion day by day in our cities.

01:15:11

And who are the culprits responsible for ensuring the lack of equality and protection for these victims of such hate crime?

01:15:19

Murderous entities like Planned Parenthood, of course. They're a malicious organization founded on the destruction of minorities, and in the case of our state, that successful business strategy continues as nearly half of these contract killings are performed on the

01:15:34

Hispanic and Latino community in our state. This is a strong indication that words like genocide are alive and well, unlike the babies being discriminated against on the basis of race and sex by this unjust entity.

01:15:49

It ought to forcefully strike anyone paying attention that an organization who claims to uphold women's rights while murdering hundreds of thousands of little women in the womb every year is guilty of hypocrisy in the worst way.

01:16:01

Planned Parenthood hates women. But not as much as they hate the children that they carry.

01:16:06

Women are a dollar sign to them, an exchangeable commodity, devalued and objectified the same as the prey of a rapist.

01:16:15

Over the past several years, I have watched weekly as women after women welcome others into Planned Parenthood and its advocates.

01:16:22

I have interacted with myself, many of whom have murdered their own children by abortion, and they welcome others to do the same.

01:16:29

They're rebelling against their own biology and against the God who made them. And it's my contention that Planned Parenthood advocates are self -deceived and in desperate need of the forgiveness that only

01:16:39

Jesus Christ can offer for the malice that they've shown, not only to their own children, but the countless others that they lead to death every week.

01:16:48

Anyone, and I do mean anyone, Mayor Gallego, that partners with them, also needs to repent of their ways.

01:16:54

Which is why I come before you, the mayor and the council of this city, as a Christian by the authority of the

01:17:00

Lord, to tell you that you must make Phoenix a sanctuary city for these children. You can act, you can do something to zone businesses and hospitals so that abortion becomes illegal, surgically and chemically, whether it's

01:17:14

Planned Parenthood, hospital, pharmacy, or you can create a new zone that includes the entire city and bans it outright.

01:17:20

But please protect these children and push entities like Planned Parenthood out of our city once and for all.

01:17:25

Thank you. Thank you. Hi, I'm Jeff Durbin with Apologia Church and End Abortion Now.

01:17:34

Just a few short years ago, God called us to start End Abortion Now. End Abortion Now at the very beginning was just Apologia Church trying to equip local churches across the

01:17:45

United States to start abortion mill ministries to save children's lives. We wanted to create a ministry that was a gospel -centered ministry based upon Scripture, the

01:17:55

Word of God, that was coming out of local churches to once and for all end abortion.

01:18:01

We also wanted to actually begin a cultural movement to bring the light of the gospel into the conversation of abortion.

01:18:10

We knew we needed to do that through media. We wanted to actually inundate platforms globally with millions and millions of views with a focus on the gospel itself in conflict with abortion.

01:18:22

We also wanted to begin the process of raising up these local churches to bring the gospel to their local legislatures.

01:18:30

Since we began, since you started this ministry with us years ago, since you gave towards this ministry, since you participated with us in this ministry,

01:18:39

God has raised up almost 500 local churches globally. The amazing thing to us is that these local churches were not only starting this ministry to save lives, to use the gospel, and to work towards an immediate end of abortion in the

01:18:54

United States of America, but at this point we have churches that are doing this in Australia, New Zealand, all over North America, that's the

01:19:02

United States and Canada, and even now in Ireland itself. Through your participation with End Abortion Now, God has saved literally thousands of children from death.

01:19:14

At this point, we have no ability to count how many babies are being saved. I want to give you an update about 2019.

01:19:21

Many of you guys partnered with us, you prayed with us, you gave towards 2019 in our ministry and mission, and what

01:19:27

God has done has been absolutely incredible. Not only have we been able to save thousands of children from death, and not only have we raised up just so many local churches globally to bring the gospel to their local abortion mills and to demand an immediate end to abortion, we were able to once again spread the message of the gospel and conflict with abortion through media around the globe.

01:19:49

We did this through regular platforms like Facebook and YouTube, and we were, of course, able to actually produce the documentary

01:19:55

Babies Are Still Murdered Here with Marcus Pittman. Not only did Babies Are Still Murdered Here break all the records of the last film, but Babies Are Still Murdered Here is available on YouTube and Facebook and Amazon Prime.

01:20:09

This film is being seen globally, and what this film does is it actually communicates the gospel itself in conflict with abortion, and it demonstrates the failures of the pro -life movements to work consistently to once and for all criminalize, end, and abolish abortion.

01:20:26

Through your partnership with End Abortion Now in 2019, you were able to be a part of what God started through this movement, and that is local churches going to their local legislatures, demanding an immediate end to abortion, preaching the good news of Jesus Christ to their local legislatures, and demanding an immediate end to abortion in their cities, in their towns, in their states.

01:20:48

You were a part of that. You helped to make that happen. This happened across the United States of America, and it was everybody from pastors to little children demanding an immediate end to abortion in their cities.

01:21:00

You helped to start that movement to bring Christians to their legislatures to demand the criminalization, the end, the abolishment of abortion in the

01:21:09

United States of America. Through your partnership in 2019, you helped us to equip and to send out kits to local churches across the

01:21:17

United States of America to train those churches, and you were able to help us so that we were doing this completely for free for those churches.

01:21:25

It was no cost whatsoever to them. You also helped us through your partnership to actually begin a platform where all of these local churches can communicate with one another minute by minute to coordinate to bring the good news into their cities, into their towns, into their states.

01:21:42

You also helped us to produce content that would equip these churches to begin their own media ministry so that we could begin the transformation of the culture with the light of the gospel across all social media platforms.

01:21:54

In 2019, all of this work began because you were a part of it with us at the beginning of the year.

01:21:59

And we want to say thank you for everything you did with us in 2019. We're grateful to God for all that he's done, and truly, this thing is just beginning.

01:22:09

In 2020, we have a very big year ahead of us. Now that all the pieces are in place, now that we've actually raised up nearly 500 local churches to do this movement with us, now that we've been able to equip these churches completely for free, now that they're out saving thousands of lives, and now that Christians are beginning the process of speaking to their legislatures with a message of the gospel demanding an immediate end to abortion, and now that we are flooding the media with the content of the gospel in conflict with abortion, we're ready to have 2020 be the first year, we pray, that there would be sanctuary cities and an end of abortion in cities, states, and in this nation.

01:22:51

That's what we're working towards in 2020. All of the platforms have been laid down. All of the foundations are there.

01:22:58

2020 is the year where, God willing, we are hoping to raise up so many more churches to begin this work with us to save thousands more lives, but also to work together as a team of all those churches to once and for all end, criminalize, and abolish abortion in our nation.

01:23:17

Because you joined together with us, because you served alongside of us, and because you partnered with us in ministry, you made all of this possible.

01:23:24

All of the thousands of children that are alive today because of Christians going out to preach the gospel in this issue, they're alive today because of your work together with us.

01:23:35

So we're humbled by it. We're grateful for it. And we want to ask you, whether you've participated with us before or not, to prayerfully consider giving towards this work for 2020, to end abortion, to criminalize it once and for all, and to do it as Christians.

01:23:52

Help us in 2020 to once and for all end this.

01:23:58

Help us to shut these places down. And help us to do it with the message of the gospel.

01:25:00

Welcome back to another episode of Next Week. I'm Jeff Durbin. That is Luke the Bear right there. Merry Christmas.

01:25:06

Merry Christmas. You'll notice that here's the set right now. That's right. Very exciting time of year. Luke's here, and we also have

01:25:13

Marcus King Ginger Pittman right now. Wade likes him. All right.

01:25:21

So this is Marcus Pittman. He is the director, the filmmaker of Babies Are Still Murdered here.

01:25:28

And he's a member of Apologia Church. And you guys all know who Marcus is. Let's update, man.

01:25:34

Let's talk. Big news. What? Go ahead. Oh, yeah.

01:25:39

So the movie is now on Amazon Prime. All right. Amazon Prime. So that's pretty important,

01:25:47

I think, because it's going to get the movie out there to a lot of people who would have never found it.

01:25:53

Certainly not found it on YouTube, because you can't find anything on YouTube anymore. Because YouTube's algorithms and everything suppresses

01:26:02

Christian content. It suppresses anything based on words that are spoken in the film.

01:26:09

But now it's on Amazon Prime. And so it's got over,

01:26:15

I think we're at maybe like 200 reviews already. Are you serious? Five -star reviews, yeah. What is that, in two days? Yeah, in two days.

01:26:21

So I think that means it's going to be suggested and put out there in front of people.

01:26:28

I mean, just imagine people just looking through the Roku and saying, oh, what's this movie about?

01:26:34

That's a platform that... Especially if you're looking for some horror movies. Oh, yeah. Because it's under horror.

01:26:40

Yeah, that was a... Wait, wait, what? It's categorized under horror movie.

01:26:45

Why? Because Darren Doan told me not to put it under Christian stuff, because no one will watch it.

01:26:51

But if you put it under different categories that's relevant to the film, then it'll get more hits. It is horrifying, for sure.

01:26:59

And that works. It's under documentary horror and nonfiction. Okay, all right.

01:27:05

Well, for people who are new, most of you who are watching next week will probably know what we're talking about in the film

01:27:10

Babies Are Still Murdered Here, but just give everyone sort of a picture of what is Babies Are Still Murdered Here, what is the film?

01:27:16

So the film is about essentially how the pro -life lobbies and organization have allowed abortion to continue for the past 46 years just by essentially not wanting to see abortion totally ended and not having the guts to really follow through and pass any sort of legislation with teeth.

01:27:44

It's a bold claim to say that the pro -life organizations don't want abortion ended. No. It appears methodologically.

01:27:52

Right. So what do you mean by that? Because people right now watching this, they're saying, well, I thought you guys were pro -life. And we would say, yes, we're pro -life, but we're not with the pro -life industrial system.

01:28:03

But it's a bold claim to say that they're not trying to end it. So what do you mean? Well, what does the film teach us and demonstrate to us that they're not trying ultimately to end it now?

01:28:14

Well, the film shows how they only support legislation that's politically expedient or popular.

01:28:23

So for example, with the heartbeat bills in Ohio, the citizens wanted a heartbeat bill to be passed for years.

01:28:33

And the pro -Ohio right to life refused and said, no, we're going to do this other bill.

01:28:40

Here's maybe like a 20 -week ban or an Infant Born Alive Act or some other form of legislation, but not the heartbeat bill.

01:28:51

But eventually the citizens of Ohio demanded a heartbeat bill. And they got it passed.

01:28:56

They got it through the legislature. And they got the governor to sign it and agree to it.

01:29:02

And then when the governor signed it, there was Ohio right to life clapping when the governor signed it.

01:29:11

Like they were a part of it. Like they were behind it. They've been opposing it. The past few years they've been opposing that legislation.

01:29:18

But because the citizens rose up and wanted it, suddenly they felt a need to get behind it.

01:29:24

And then a few days after that it was signed. It was struck down in the

01:29:33

Ohio Supreme Court as unconstitutional or whatever. And then three days after that at the

01:29:41

National Right to Life Convention, they did a whole lecture on essentially how not to get behind and support heartbeat bills or these dramatic legislations to end abortion.

01:29:56

So they're mocking it. And it's interesting to me that I even found that video because it was the only video

01:30:02

National Right to Life uploaded in like the past two years. But they uploaded that within one week of that lecture at the

01:30:11

National Right. And it was the only thing from the convention they uploaded was that talk on their channel.

01:30:16

Definitely providential. We needed that to show the problem. Well, it wasn't. I mean they knew exactly why they did it.

01:30:23

They were doing it. So the thing is like even though they're in there and they're cheering and stuff, they're not going to put up the money and the funds to fight the courts to make that law go through.

01:30:35

They're just going to say, see? Told you. Now go back to our legislation. So what's the difference though?

01:30:42

What are you saying for the people who are saying, okay, wait, I'm confused. I thought that we were all pro -life.

01:30:47

We're Christians. And now you're saying that they're not ultimately helping. So what's the difference between their message and our message?

01:30:53

What are the two different perspectives? Well, our message is that we're not using pro -life legislation as a means to get

01:31:01

Republicans elected. So that's the pro -life lobby's main focus is in Republican elections.

01:31:10

And they'll tell you this. Like Jim Bopp, who's the chief legal mind at National Right to Life.

01:31:20

He's the one that gave that talk. He's the one that said don't vote for it, don't put these laws.

01:31:26

He'll tell you the reason why is because if, let's say, a heartbeat bill would move moderate

01:31:35

Republicans to vote Democrat, and then they'll lose through chain reaction

01:31:41

Supreme Court justices. So they have to go with laws that will get pro -life legislators elected.

01:31:57

Sorry, not even pro -life legislators, Republicans elected. So it doesn't matter if you're pro -life or not. And so that's their main focus.

01:32:05

And that's why they're one of the only political lobbies that I know of where the

01:32:11

GOP, the Republicans, actually fund them. Because that's how strong the pro -life vote is, is that if the pro -life organizations like National Right to Life says, we endorse this guy as being pro -life, you have 50 % of the voting bloc that will vote for him right away.

01:32:31

What says a lot about our ability to end abortion, actually, to really end it, is that this voting bloc is in such a large support, it's such a strong voting bloc.

01:32:40

Yeah, that's why they can only do legislation that the

01:32:46

Republicans approve of. Right. So it becomes, like, it's not about ending abortion, it becomes this political strategy of, like, how far can we push the

01:32:56

Republicans that we've endorsed to vote on legislation, and do they feel comfortable, will they lose votes?

01:33:03

Like, it's just this massive system. Well, there's two, that's a good point. So talk about this.

01:33:09

There's two examples in the last couple of years of abolitionist or criminalization bills, and that's in Oklahoma and Texas.

01:33:17

And in both cases of bills that were working to end, outright end, ban, criminalize, abolish abortion in those states.

01:33:24

Done. In both cases, it was struck down and ultimately done away with by Republican pro -life legislators.

01:33:31

Jeff Leach. In Texas. Yeah, Jeff Leach in Texas, most notably. Lounger in Oklahoma.

01:33:38

Who just announced his reelection campaign. Right. So, yeah. So Jeff Leach, you know,

01:33:46

I mean, you look at, let's say, Jeremiah Thomas, who was on his deathbed, and he got a call from the governor, and he told the governor, my dying wish is to end abortion in Texas.

01:33:58

And the governor says, okay, we're going to do it, we're going to put it on the platform. And then so the

01:34:05

Texas bill, HB 896, I think it's HB 896. That sounds familiar. I forget the number.

01:34:10

Well, the Texas bill comes into play. They have it before committee.

01:34:17

The Christians come all over the country to show support, and I think they were there for eight hours until 3 a .m.

01:34:24

in the morning. They were talking about how they want this bill passed or whatever. And then there comes this point where Rusty Thomas is explaining why this bill needs to be passed.

01:34:36

And then Jeff Leach, who has already said before this meeting started, he's going to vote against it, talks about how much of a hero

01:34:42

Jeremiah Thomas is, that he would, you know, do this and, like, you know, this is for him, and he's a hero and all this stuff.

01:34:51

But then he goes and just goes, yeah, well, but I'm not going to vote for it. A bill to end abortion.

01:34:57

He's not going to vote for it. What was the bill they passed instead? It was the

01:35:03

Infant Born Alive Act. Yeah, so it wasn't even an abortion bill, really. That was their big win.

01:35:09

Protect them if they're born alive. Yeah, Infant Born Alive Act. So that was the one Jeff Leach got behind. The pro -life movement backed that one, rejected, obviously, the one that would end it.

01:35:21

It doesn't do anything about abortion. No. Born alive. Protect them while they're alive. I thought we were already doing that. All right.

01:35:26

Well, even in Arizona this last year, do you guys remember what the big pro -life win was in Arizona, the bill they passed?

01:35:33

Or maybe it was two sessions ago. Remind me. I forget. It was they passed a law saying that if you were having an abortion, you had to essentially give the reason why.

01:35:43

Yeah. And that was what they were celebrating. And it was like, what does that even mean?

01:35:49

You know, and it was like they act like they won this big thing, and it was like, what does it even accomplish? They act like their victories are actual victories, but they're not.

01:36:01

So if you follow, like, for instance, like National Right to Life on Twitter, they'll share conflicting things.

01:36:09

Like one, like this week I retweeted something they said because they said abortion is never health care.

01:36:17

That's what they said. And so I retweeted it. I was like, well, if abortion is never health care, why do you regulate it like health care?

01:36:25

Because all their regulations on, like, the size of the clinic, whether it meets medical standards, like is all based on the assumption that abortion is health care.

01:36:35

So they're conceding Planned Parenthood's position just by, you know, Planned Parenthood doesn't care about regulation.

01:36:42

They'll fight regulations all day, but, I mean, that's, I mean, every business has to fight regulations, so that's just part of the thing for them.

01:36:51

Planned Parenthood is afraid of criminalization. Right, yeah, they don't want to do that. And so, but see, so then when you regulate health care just on that standard, if you say, well, it is health care, so we're going to regulate it like health care, now you're giving authority for the government to regulate health care in general.

01:37:11

So you've given up ground on being against government health care and death panels, which they say they're against death panels, but they're not, they've lost their position to even argue against death panels when they've already said, well, you can regulate some kinds of health care, but you can't.

01:37:32

So they just, it's just not an organization that has the logical ability to be able to actually end something like abortion.

01:37:45

Well, do you remember what Jim Bopp said in that talk? Specifically, the one thing that stood out to me is he said, he literally said it's a popularity contest.

01:37:56

Yes. That was the exact word he used. And it's because they're all about, their whole push is getting a willing court, they call it.

01:38:04

Right, well. And in their mind, the only way, and I know you have a lot to say about that, but in their mind, the only way that you can end abortion is through a willing court is he was all about, this is a popularity contest, we've got to get

01:38:17

Trump reelected. Right. But that's literally, his whole speech is about that. You have to get Republicans voted in the state legislature, you have to get

01:38:24

Republicans voted in Congress and the Senate, Republican president, and then a

01:38:29

Republican majority Supreme Court, which doesn't matter, because in 1992 in Casey versus Planned Parenthood, they had the perfect case that would challenge

01:38:47

Roe v. Wade in 1992, and they had eight Republican appointed

01:38:54

Supreme Court justices and one Democrat Supreme Court justice.

01:39:01

And I believe the Democrat actually voted in favor of overturning

01:39:08

Roe v. Wade, the Democrat appointed Supreme Court justice did, and it was the other eight, I mean not all eight of them, but everyone that voted against overturning

01:39:18

Roe v. Wade were all the Republican. So it was like five to six or whatever or something.

01:39:24

Also, we look back at Roe v. Wade itself. Yeah, exactly. Yep, Republicans too. All Republican. Yeah, so it's not going to help us, and I think what's best about these films is your first film, to my mind, instructs the church on the duty of the church to do something, and to go out and start saving lives.

01:39:41

That's the challenging part of part one. Part two, you do an excellent job of teaching very seamlessly,

01:39:48

I think, teaching what are the major problems and then also responding to some of the objections, because I think people hearing this right now are probably going to hear what you're saying in terms of pro -life lobbies, pro -life organizations, pro -life legislation, problem, problem, problem, but they're going to probably go, but Roe v.

01:40:04

Wade, and we need the Supreme Court, which is what the pro -life establishment says. We need the

01:40:09

Supreme Court to go pro -life so we can overturn Roe, but you address that problem too in the film, in terms of that's a wrong way to think about how we actually establish justice.

01:40:21

The Supreme Court's not supposed to have legislative power like that. They're not the ones, according to the Constitution, that actually creates law.

01:40:27

Congress creates law. You are really arguing in the film that this needs to be something done at the local level where local magistrates, local communities, actually resist the tyranny of the higher magistrate, the higher court.

01:40:42

Can you talk about that a little bit? Obviously, if you've taken a basic civics class in school, you learn there's three branches of government, executive, legislative, and judicial.

01:40:55

The Supreme Court is judicial. The Congress is the legislative branch, so the

01:41:07

Congress is the one that makes laws. The judicial branch does not make laws. The executive branch does not make laws.

01:41:16

They're not supposed to. They're not supposed to, right. There's executive orders and stuff, but that's another conversation.

01:41:22

I think that's essentially how status our nation has become. We look and say, well, all three branches can make laws, but that's not how it's supposed to be.

01:41:32

It's supposed to be only the Congress could make laws after they both voted on it, and then the president had to approve it.

01:41:41

Now, the Supreme Court can look at a law the Congress makes and say, well, that's an unconstitutional law, but then what needs to happen is another law needs to be made.

01:41:52

But with Roe v. Wade, they said, well, Roe v. Wade is unconstitutional, whatever, but there wasn't ever any law put into effect.

01:42:00

It was never made into effect. So the Supreme Court only does opinions on individual – they don't do blanket changes or transformations like that.

01:42:12

They're only ruling on that one individual case, Roe v. Wade. So go ahead.

01:42:18

Sorry. So when it comes to ignoring the Supreme Court, we see that it happens all the time.

01:42:27

The governor of New York ignored the Supreme Court by making sanctuary cities, and he actually said, the governor of New York said to the local governments that you have a responsibility to essentially defy the federal government when it comes to allowing immigrants to enter into your state and illegal immigrants to enter into your state.

01:42:46

And then they went and passed a bill for full -term abortion. Yeah, and then they went and passed a bill for full -term abortion. But then you have

01:42:52

Colorado or Washington where they defy the federal government when it comes to marijuana laws.

01:42:58

Nevada. Yeah, Nevada. So there's always states who in some way defy the federal government, and there's states that defy the federal government when it comes to gun laws and all sorts of other things.

01:43:11

So states defy the federal government all the time, and there's never even any consequences. When you had in Wisconsin, you had the

01:43:20

Fugitive Slave Act where the Supreme Court said that slaves are property, and if they are caught, a free slave is caught, they're to be returned back to their owner.

01:43:31

Wisconsin said no and told the Supreme Court to pound sand, and any slave that made it to Wisconsin was free.

01:43:38

No matter what the Supreme Court said, they didn't go to war over that. Nothing happened.

01:43:44

And so that's why a lot of the Founding Fathers talk about the right for the states to nullify

01:43:51

Supreme Court rulings because that would be a legitimate check and balance on that.

01:44:01

It's a very Christian system in terms of accountability, division of powers.

01:44:08

It's a form of resistance to tyranny or the potential to tyranny. But the amazing thing with the sinful heart of man is that even with all of these checks and balances and a desire to resist tyrannical oppressive regimes, we're facing that today not because the regime actually has the power, it's because we're so ignorant.

01:44:31

We're a nation that has been indoctrinated in such a way as we don't understand our history.

01:44:36

We don't understand how our laws work. None of those things. I mean, you've got people now, it's crazy. You have these videos where they go do interviews on the street.

01:44:43

I saw one yesterday where they were going on the street and they were just asking basic questions about life.

01:44:50

Everyone's supposed to know this stuff. They walked up to random people on the boulevard and they were like, how many days does it take for the earth to go around the sun?

01:45:01

And people were like, this girl was like, 24. And it was just like, wow.

01:45:09

They're voting. She's voting probably if she can make her way to the place where she votes.

01:45:17

So that's the problem is we don't know the strength that we have legally.

01:45:22

So for example, we've said, we've all gone, the three of us have gone to the

01:45:28

Phoenix legislature to go into demand justice. And we've told them it's illegal right now in Arizona to have an abortion.

01:45:37

Like AZ Statute 13 -3603 is the law in our books. Amazing thing. It's never been taken away.

01:45:44

It's never been changed. The amazing thing is that stuff has only been added to it to strengthen it. From the pro -life organizations.

01:45:52

But the amazing thing is the pro -life organizations are adding stuff to a law that says it's already illegal.

01:45:59

And it's like, just point to the law. It says it's already illegal. No addition is necessary.

01:46:04

It's just illegal. I think you could add an addition in terms of criminalization and penalty to it.

01:46:09

That would help a little better, strengthen it, boost it. But right now, it is illegal in Arizona to have an abortion.

01:46:17

It's illegal in Texas to have an abortion, according to Texas state law and Arizona state law. It's illegal in Idaho right now to have an abortion, according to Idaho state law.

01:46:24

So you have three states right there that it's technically, right now, currently illegal. You could seriously just point to it tomorrow in the legislature and say, we're going to uphold that.

01:46:34

But the problem is we've got people who have been indoctrinated to think that the Supreme Court makes laws and that all these things are ultimately in control.

01:46:43

Yeah. Why are you smiling? No. Do you think it's something funny? Well, I was just going to—

01:46:49

No, I'm good. I was just going to say, I think we talked about this the last show we did, but it's just cowardice.

01:46:55

People are literally afraid of the federal beast. And I don't know what's so funny. But let's just be honest.

01:47:02

It's all about money. Right. Because the real fear with these states, say

01:47:09

Texas, where you have this— He's still laughing. What is he doing? I don't know. You have these— What is it,

01:47:14

Marcus? We just got to cut for a minute. Okay. We'll have to cut and come back.

01:47:19

I don't know why, but that Eric Swalwell fart gate, just like while we're on camera, do you remember that?

01:47:25

No. I don't see that. It just popped in my head while I was doing this. Oh, I see.

01:47:31

I thought you were yawning. No. I was thinking— No, no. I was like, that's like a 20 -second yawn.

01:47:37

Did you see it? No. Y 'all didn't see it? Fart gate? Did y 'all see it? Yeah. Okay. By the way, we're keeping all of this in.

01:47:44

I'm going to have to watch it now. There's no cut. He's being interviewed. Wait, why did you want to cut?

01:47:50

This is good show content. This is gold. Okay. This is gold. No, no, go ahead. This is gold. I want to hear about it now. Eric, okay.

01:47:56

Eric Swalwell, he's a presidential candidate. He's being interviewed on MSNBC, and he farts right in the middle of it.

01:48:02

For real? Yeah, for real. For real? Yeah, for real. I did not see that. Wait, is the video available?

01:48:09

Oh, yeah. Okay. We're going to cut to that right now. It's going to be in this. Ready, and— Chris, so far, the evidence is uncontradicted that the president used taxpayer dollars to ask the

01:48:19

Ukrainians to help him cheat in an election. And the complaint that I've heard from Republicans all last week was that you don't have anyone who heard the call.

01:48:26

Oh, my God. Oh, that's hilarious. That's just been— I don't know why you would ever ask us to cut from that.

01:48:32

Wait, this is— Have you been gone that long? Wait, okay. What did we say when we were talking about this that made you think of that?

01:48:39

Because all I see is Marcus all of a sudden go— No, it was just that I was being interviewed at the time, and I was thinking of him being interviewed at the time.

01:48:47

Okay. Were you afraid you were going to fart? Is that why? I talked about it once, and I was like, oh. I don't even remember what we were talking about.

01:48:53

Well, I think I showed it to Carmen before. Oh, okay. All right. All right. Luke, you were asking. So we were talking about how they're afraid because of money.

01:49:01

Yeah. And so, ultimately, the problem in Texas, their concern is if we were to actually pass and uphold this righteous law, which they know is a righteous law—

01:49:17

I'm sorry. I'm just trying to hold it. Oh, my gosh.

01:49:22

Okay, sorry. I know. I'm sorry. I wish it was Jeff Leach that did it.

01:49:29

I'm sorry. I'm sorry. No, it's fine. The problem is they're like, well, the federal government is going to take our funding.

01:49:38

Our funding. Oh. I'm sorry. Okay. This is good. Okay. Take a breath.

01:49:44

Okay, come back. Okay, I'm going to just focus. I think we were wanting to raise money for EAN for 2020 in this episode.

01:49:51

No, that's okay. No. So, yeah, it's funding. It's about the funding, not the farting.

01:49:58

Okay. Oh, man. So they don't want to lose the money. Right. And they're like, well, if we do this, then the government is going to take their money from us, and that's what it boils down to.

01:50:05

Yeah. There's a lot of money involved. I wanted to talk about that because that's a huge factor for us is when we first started didn't have any money.

01:50:16

Zero. Zero. We knew we had this grand project ahead of us, a huge need.

01:50:23

This was serious. The churches all needed to get involved in this, but we didn't have any ability to do it. So what we did, we came up with like the most basic nuts and bolts budget.

01:50:32

Right. Luke and I didn't get paid because that's not what it was about.

01:50:38

It was about the need to get churches now equipped to go do the work. We didn't have any money, so we raised a small budget.

01:50:46

What was the first year's budget? $250 ,000, I think. No, it wasn't that for the first year, was it? Was it?

01:50:51

Yeah. Okay. So the first year budget, local church gets involved and starts equipping other churches.

01:50:57

Yeah. $250 ,000. And I don't even know how many hundreds. Was it 200 first year? 200 churches?

01:51:03

I think so. Like 200, somewhere around there. Yeah. Those churches now have saved thousands and thousands of lives.

01:51:12

Yeah. More churches, more need, more media. But the effect of it all is the amount of budget that was needed to do the damage, the righteous damage that was caused through End Abortion Now was so tiny.

01:51:29

You know what you haven't seen the pro -life movement actually developing? Developing a community of people that actually go to the legislature and start actually demanding justice and to end it now.

01:51:39

No, because they want to control that. Right. That's where the power is. See that?

01:51:45

So for them, the power is up at the top. Right. So, you know, the people like Carol Tobias and all the leaders, you know, that they give awards to.

01:51:55

Yeah. Like that's where their power is. Whereas what we're saying is the power isn't in our top lobbyists.

01:52:04

Our organization. Our organization. Right. The power is in your local church. Yeah. Your local church and the people going out and sharing the gospel either at the abortion clinic or to the city legislator.

01:52:18

So that's like actually I would say the End Abortion Now is cancer to what they're doing because it's decentralizing what they're doing.

01:52:28

Yeah. Because they're saying the pro -life lobbies are saying we need to all come.

01:52:37

We need to form a big army. We need to come together. And then all of you guys need to do what we tell you.

01:52:43

We'll lead it. Yeah. We'll lead it. We'll be the face. We'll be. We have the ear of the president.

01:52:48

We have the ear of all these people. And what we're saying is don't worry about the people at the top.

01:52:56

You just guys just pay attention and do what's in your local in your local city. Yeah.

01:53:01

And then like that decent anytime you anytime Christianity has decentralized something it's changed the world.

01:53:10

So like printing press the Christian medicine as Christianity always has always decentralized things.

01:53:19

So that's one of the principles of economics that Christianity is so good at. And so so when you can sit there and take the decentralization of lobbying and say no no just have the church do it.

01:53:35

Have the church go to their city councils have the church get involved in state legislator state laws. And as Vati Bakum says in you know and babies are still murdered here he says the reason we always look to what the president of the

01:53:50

Supreme Court says is because we're status and we've just you know embrace statism and think that all the power is there.

01:53:57

Right. And then you know and he says what we need are is a sheriff that can look at something the federal government does and says not my county.

01:54:06

Yes. So like that's like that I think sums up is that exactly what we want to do.

01:54:12

And I think we if if if I mean there's 400 churches already right more than that for close to 450 450.

01:54:21

That's a lot. And that's that's that can do a lot of damage to a centralized power.

01:54:29

Yeah. And so once you know I mean and the more of that we have the more churches that we have are eventually

01:54:37

I think you'll see that the pro -life organizations are just drowned out by the work that we're doing and no one is going to.

01:54:48

And although I think with us too is all of those little mini movements in their communities are all privately governed privately funded by those local churches.

01:54:58

Right. And what's interesting too is that what we were able to accomplish by God's grace and through God's people being so sacrificial is that all these churches that have received training from an abortion now and resources and can now communicate to one another literally moment by moment worldwide through the app that was created.

01:55:19

All of that came at zero cost to those churches. We did not ask them for a penny.

01:55:26

Right. That's significant. Yeah. Is that is that we've trusted the Lord to give through his people sacrificially to bless these churches and help them.

01:55:35

We didn't say here's a kit and now can you cough up some money for our organization.

01:55:40

What we're saying is no we're a local church is trying to equip and train other local churches. We're just a church.

01:55:47

Yeah. We're a local church. We're pastors. And this is a mission of the church. And look what happened.

01:55:52

I mean you highlight it in your film Marcus. You highlight how you had pastors and just members of churches going to their local legislatures children demanding justice for the pre -born and an immediate end to abortion in sanctuary cities.

01:56:07

All that happened because local churches started getting involved. Yeah. Yeah. You take like you said decentralization the power away from the pro -life industry.

01:56:14

Yeah. Well see that's that's like that's how you know a movement is gaining speed.

01:56:20

So there's also a bad form of decentralization when you when for example the regulations on the pro -life on abortion clinics are causing the decentralization of abortion pills.

01:56:38

So like you have you know like are you 46 in the morning after pills are becoming easier and easier to get.

01:56:45

And then the pro -life lobbies are looking and saying well look guys the abortion numbers at clinics are down.

01:56:51

But they're not saying you know that the abortion bills are. It'd be like me saying look guys nobody takes a taxi cab anymore.

01:56:58

We did it. We ended the taxi cab industry. And you go no more people are taking Uber and Lyft now more than ever to a taxi.

01:57:05

Yeah. I never took a taxi cab but I've taken hundreds of lifts in my lifetime. So it wouldn't be wise for me to say see the regulations on the taxi cab industry that the need to have a medallion has really you know stopped you know the amount of traffic on the on the streets in New York.

01:57:25

No that's increased it. Yeah. And so that's interesting. Yeah. So that's that that's with any any business in any business when something is regulated highly regulated you know it's like in Jurassic Park when

01:57:40

Goldblum Jeff Goldblum says nature will find a way.

01:57:46

Yeah. Like that's how capitalism works through regulation. It'll it'll it'll it'll it'll be like water and it'll find the path of least resistance.

01:57:53

And then before you know it you've got a whole nother waterfall on your hand that's completely unregulated. Happened with smoking industry smoking industry regulated themselves as a means to keep competition out and then vaping started and it was completely unregulated.

01:58:11

And so it just blew up. And so that's just how it happens over and over and over again. And so if we can get through a decentralized form of political lobbying through the local church then you'll see that the pro -life lobbies the national pro -life lobby will be less and less effective.

01:58:36

I was going to say this really is a grassroots movement. We were just talking about today I think. Right. Someone had messaged us and they were saying they had watched a quarter of the film and they were like it completely turned my whole view on this upside down.

01:58:48

They didn't even finish the film. And I was like you have to you have to get your pro -life friends and family to watch it.

01:58:53

You have to share this and that's how this works. It's completely grassroots. Yeah. Share this with everyone that you know that's going to be affected.

01:59:00

That's the great thing. It's the it's a great thing about this this idea we have of like platforming.

01:59:08

We don't want to talk about someone because we don't want to get like we National Right to Life doesn't want to publicly talk about an abortion now.

01:59:17

We know from experience that they've shut us out of conversations. They've you know they said we're not pro -life.

01:59:24

We're crazy. Right. So but the best the great thing about that is that just means there's no competition because they're not like they're not addressing the issues that we're bringing up.

01:59:37

They're just ignoring us. So this is this happened with Sega versus Nintendo. Right. Nintendo wanted to pretend that Sega wasn't a threat to them in the 90s and they just completely ignored them.

01:59:48

And then said by the time they had to respond to them Sega had like half the retail space in Toys R Us. Wow.

01:59:54

So like that's just just the deep platforming thing doesn't work. So now they're in a tough situation would where they have to decide you know well do we talk about them do we not do we continue to ignore them and like we know if they come at us now like you know that would be great.

02:00:11

Yeah. But but that's just the situation they put themselves in and so which is which is great but also they can't really address end abortion now because there's so many churches involved you know like who are they talking about.

02:00:26

Right. You know they're talking about the entire Protestant Reformed Church. Right. We're talking about a biblical view.

02:00:32

Yeah. This issue. Right. So that's what you really have to come after. Right. It's not end abortion now. It's not the personalities.

02:00:38

It's just Christians. Yeah. Right. Exactly. So they're in a tough spot. Yeah. Yeah. You're going to have to come because what are you going to what are you going to let's start the conversation and we could probably end it here.

02:00:48

It's how the film begins with John Speed like why did they ignore the first film because John says we were talking about abortion in terms of it being murder and that people need to come to Christ.

02:00:59

Yeah. And the issue and I think that that's one of the first topics conversation that's going to come up if they finally address this and they're ultimately going to have to at some point because of what

02:01:08

God is doing through his church. The main thing you're going to have to address there is that first point. Yeah.

02:01:14

Is this murder? Yeah. Yeah. And that's the babies are still murdered here.

02:01:19

That's the distinction is that this is a biblical perspective because murder according to Scripture and law is the unjustified killing of a human being with malice of forethought.

02:01:28

That's murder. And that's what's happening in abortion clinics every single day across this country. And the people who are engaging it are the moms and dads with malice of forethought killing a human being and it's unjustified.

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And that's what's happening and that's the industry itself and the pro -life movement won't ultimately acknowledge it and that's what we say has to be acknowledged and that has to be legislated against on the basis of it being murder.

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But then you have the ERLC who just posted an article. I don't know if you saw it. Did you see it?

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It came out yesterday. No. Where they try to argue presuppositionally that because women, you know, know their sin, they know they're sinners, that we shouldn't address abortion as murder because they're already aware and they're creating the image of God have knowledge of sin.

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Therefore, we just don't need to mention that it's murder. We just need to treat it just like any, which by the way, the

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ERLC would not do. They would not treat abortion that way.

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The way they treat abortion in that way, they wouldn't do with, you know, child predators in the church or racism.

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They want to be very outspoken and loud about that. But when it comes to women who've had abortions, it's like, well, they already know.

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You know, Romans 1. Yeah, you got to read that article if you haven't. Oh, I got to read it? That sounds terrible. I won't make any comments until I read it.

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All right, so we need everyone to watch the film, review the film, and give stars and reviews on Amazon Prime.

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It's okay to do now? Yeah, just make sure you watch it, actually watch it because Amazon's commenting review system is like incredibly complex.

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I'm learning like they, somebody was telling me they can tell based on if your Facebook account is connected to Amazon, if you're friends with the person who published it.

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Interesting. Really? Yeah. So they just, that's why there was all these people saying, oh, my review's not coming through.

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Yeah. Yeah, so just make sure you actually watch it and then review it. Just play it like they're in a review.

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Yeah, just play it like they're in a review. Also, watch it on YouTube, which it's already basically stifled on YouTube because the algorithm.

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It's somewhere around 40 or 50 ,000. Yeah, yeah. Facebook is 200 ,000 maybe, somewhere around there.

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I think Amazon's going to blow through that, though. Amazon's the thing where it's going to be seen globally, I think, effectively. So everyone needs to see it, share it, sit down, do a

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Bible study, add a Bible study with a friend, go over it together, fellowship, have dinner together with Christian friends and your church members and watch it together.

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Play it for your churches. Play it for your church. Pastors, play it for your churches. Send it to your local legislators, too. Yes, send a link to your local legislators.

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That's very good, yes. So endabortionnow .com is where you guys can go to get more. We actually have a brand new website.

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Which is awesome. Which is amazing. Good job, Tim. And more is going to be done next year in 2020. So in 2020, we have a whole new year ahead of us where it's now next stage.

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Every year, it's been building steps. Next stage, next stage, next stage. 2020, big year for us, next stage.

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And this is where we really have to begin implementing the whole thing. The first year, you and I did this. We started talking about a game plan.

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We're putting everything together. And we're like, it has to be this stage, this stage, this stage. And we were talking about how that would look. It took some time to build all that.

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Well, now all that's in there. In terms of the church, getting to the abortion mills, the media, the legislature.

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That whole thing, that trifecta thing. It's ready to go. It's all ready to go now. So 2020 now is the first year where now it's like, this is full implementation now.

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Let's do this. Let's finally end abortion. And I believe we can do it. I think 2020 could be a year where actually there's going to be a state, there can be a state that will ultimately criminalize and abolish, end abortion in their state.

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It's possible to do, but it'll take the church to do it. We're in it to do it. We're in it to help the church.

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So go to endabortionnow .com. Sign your church up there. Get all the free training and resources. But more importantly,

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I think, in light of all that we've said, go to endabortionnow .com and give.

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Give towards 2020. Give towards all of the work that we're doing to pour into churches, to raise churches up, to give them all their training, all their equipping.

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Give towards the work of all the media. People don't realize, I think. Okay. I don't want to extend this conversation, but I was just talking to Matt DeJesus the other day.

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He just got back from New York City where he did a project with HBO. They're doing a project on AI and all those different things, and he was the

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Christian commentator. And there's some big names. Some big names. Big names. It's a huge project.

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They've been working on it for two years, apparently. But I got worried about what some of the numbers were.

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It was $30 ,000 a day. For two years. To rent the studio. For two years.

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$30 ,000 a day to rent the studio. For two years? Well, for Matt DeJesus, the studio stuff, they were doing $30 ,000 a day for the studio rental.

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People, I think, don't understand that in order to produce a film like we've done, there's a lot of cost involved, a tremendous amount of cost involved.

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But they also need to realize, I think, hopefully they'll realize the impact of that film is completely global transforming.

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It is truly globally transforming. And I want everyone to hear this. Peanuts. Peanuts compared to the budgets of these major pro -life organizations.

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Peanuts. We've been able to accomplish as a local church what has been devastating to the industry and what has saved thousands of lives, and we've done it with peanuts.

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And it's because Christians have been faithful over the last couple of years to give towards, at the end of every year we do a fundraising thing for the next year's labor.

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And every year Christians have been faithful to give towards this work. I think 2020 is an election year.

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I think something that In Abortion Now is doing, a goal of ours should be to have something that we're doing to be a topic of debate in the presidential elections this year.

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I think we have 400 churches. I think we can do something pretty significant that will force a presidential debate question.

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Yeah. A decision. Let's do that together. So if you go to endabortionnow .com, you guys can give towards that.

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You can do it right now. Give towards the labor, the work, the ministry of 2020. Marcus is with us, and he's going to be helping build content for us and meet all the work we're doing for End Abortion Now in 2020.

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We're together. The team is together, and we're laboring together as Christians in the context of the gospel as a local church.

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You can partner with us by giving at endabortionnow .com. And just go there. Check out the site, and especially go and sign your church up for End Abortion Now to start saving lives.

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It's the most important ministry, I think, that we have as a church. And I think that, well,

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I know that it's only possible through you. And so thank you guys. That's Luke the Bear. Happy New Year to you in jail.

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That's right. That's King Ginger. Going home. They're waiting for you. I'm Jeff Durbin. Thank you guys for watching. And next week, Merry Christmas, everybody.

02:08:32

Merry Christmas. All right. Hi, I'm Jeff Durbin with Apologia Church and End Abortion Now.

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Just a few short years ago, God called us to start End Abortion Now. End Abortion Now at the very beginning was just Apologia Church trying to equip local churches across the

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United States to start abortion mill ministries to save children's lives. We wanted to create a ministry that was a gospel -centered ministry based upon Scripture, the word of God, that was coming out of local churches to once and for all end abortion.

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We also wanted to actually begin a cultural movement to bring the light of the gospel into the conversation of abortion.

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We knew we needed to do that through media. We wanted to actually inundate platforms globally with millions and millions of views with a focus on the gospel itself in conflict with abortion.

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We also wanted to begin the process of raising up these local churches to bring the gospel to their local legislatures.

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Since we began, since you started this ministry with us years ago, since you gave towards this ministry, since you participated with us in this ministry,

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God has raised up almost 500 local churches globally. The amazing thing to us is that these local churches were not only starting this ministry to save lives, to use the gospel, and to work towards an immediate end of abortion in the

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United States of America, but at this point we have churches that are doing this in Australia, New Zealand, all over North America, that's the

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United States and Canada, and even now in Ireland itself. Through your participation with End Abortion Now, God has saved literally thousands of children from death.

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At this point, we have no ability to count how many babies are being saved. I want to give you an update about 2019.

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Many of you guys partnered with us, you prayed with us, you gave towards 2019 in our ministry and mission, and what

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God has done has been absolutely incredible. Not only have we been able to save thousands of children from death, not only have we raised up just so many local churches globally to bring the gospel to their local abortion mills and to demand an immediate end to abortion, we were able to once again spread the message of the gospel in conflict with abortion through media around the globe.

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We did this through regular platforms like Facebook and YouTube, and we were of course able to actually produce the documentary

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Babies Are Still Murdered Here with Marcus Pitman. Not only did Babies Are Still Murdered Here break all the records of the last film, but Babies Are Still Murdered Here is available on YouTube and Facebook and Amazon Prime.

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This film is being seen globally, and what this film does is it actually communicates the gospel itself in conflict with abortion, and it demonstrates the failures of the pro -life movements to work consistently to once and for all criminalize, end, and abolish abortion.

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Through your partnership with End Abortion Now in 2019, you were able to be a part of what God started through this movement, and that is local churches going to their local legislatures, demanding an immediate end to abortion, preaching the good news of Jesus Christ to their local legislatures, and demanding an immediate end to abortion in their cities, in their towns, in their states.

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You were a part of that. You helped to make that happen. This happened across the United States of America, and it was everybody from pastors to little children demanding an immediate end to abortion in their cities.

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You helped to start that movement to bring Christians to their legislatures to demand the criminalization, the end, the abolishment of abortion in the

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United States of America. Through your partnership in 2019, you helped us to equip and to send out kits to local churches across the

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United States of America to train those churches, and you were able to help us so that we were doing this completely for free for those churches.

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It was no cost whatsoever to them. You also helped us through your partnership to actually begin a platform where all of these local churches can communicate with one another minute by minute to coordinate, to bring the good news into their cities, into their towns, into their states.

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You also helped us to produce content that would equip these churches to begin their own media ministry so that we could begin the transformation of the culture with the light of the gospel across all social media platforms.

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In 2019, all of this work began because you were a part of it with us at the beginning of the year, and we want to say thank you for everything you did with us in 2019.

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We're grateful to God for all that he's done, and truly, this thing is just beginning. In 2020, we have a very big year ahead of us.

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Now that all the pieces are in place, now that we've actually raised up nearly 500 local churches to do this movement with us, now that we've been able to equip these churches completely for free, now that they're out saving thousands of lives, and now that Christians are beginning the process of speaking to their legislatures with the message of the gospel demanding an immediate end to abortion, and now that we are flooding the media with the content of the gospel in conflict with abortion, we're ready to have 2020 be the first year, we pray, that there would be sanctuary cities and an end of abortion in cities, states, and in this nation.

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That's what we're working towards in 2020. All of the platforms have been laid down. All of the foundations are there.

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2020 is the year where, God willing, we are hoping to raise up so many more churches to begin this work with us to save thousands more lives, but also to work together as a team with all those churches to once and for all end, criminalize, and abolish abortion in our nation.

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Because you joined together with us, because you served alongside of us, and because you partnered with us in ministry, you made all of this possible.

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All of the thousands of children that are alive today because of Christians going out to preach the gospel in this issue, they're alive today because of your work together with us.

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So we're humbled by it, we're grateful for it, and we want to ask you, whether you've participated with us before or not, to prayerfully consider giving towards this work for 2020, to end abortion, to criminalize it once and for all, and to do it as Christians.

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Help us in 2020 to once and for all end this.

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Help us to shut these places down, and help us to do it with the message of the gospel.

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Isaiah chapter 1, let's pray. Father, help me to communicate your word and your truth to your people.

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Let me be forgotten, Christ -remembered and glorified. Father, please don't let these be the words of a mere man about such an important issue,

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Lord, that is so far above our ability and ourselves to defeat.

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What I can't do, I do not have the skills or abilities,

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I don't have the power to change anyone's mind, to give them courage, to give anybody any hope for the future and myself.

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And so, God, I pray that you'd move by your spirit here among us today to challenge, convict, rebuke,

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Lord, bring repentance. I pray,

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Lord, that your word would go forth and bring life.

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And Lord, find our deepest, most secret hiding places, God, and expose them. In Jesus' name, amen.

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Isaiah chapter 1, starting at verse 10. Hear the word of the

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Lord, you rulers of Sodom. Give ear to the teaching of our

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God, you people of Gomorrah. What to me is the multitude of your sacrifices, says

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Yahweh? I've had enough of burnt offerings. I've had enough of burnt offerings of the ramps and the fat of well -fed beasts.

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I do not delight in the blood of bulls or lambs or goats. When you come to appear before me, who has required of you this trampling of my courts?

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God says, bring no more vain offerings, incenses and abominations to me, new moon and Sabbath, and the calling of convocations.

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I cannot endure iniquity and solemn assembly. Your new moons and your appointed feasts, my soul hates.

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They have become a burden to me. I am weary of bearing them.

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When you spread out your hands, I will hide my eyes from you.

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God says I will not listen. Your hands are full of blood.

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Wash yourselves, make yourselves clean. Remove the evil of your deeds from before my eyes.

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Cease to do evil. Learn to do good.

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Seek justice. Correct oppression. Bring justice to the fatherless.

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Plead the widow's cause. Come now, let us reason together, says the

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Lord. Though your sins are as scarlet, they should be white as snow.

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They are red like crimson, they should become like wool. If you are willing and obedient, you shall eat the good of the land.

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But if you refuse and rebel, you shall be eaten by the sword. For the mouth of the

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Lord has spoken. How the faithful city has become a whore. She who is full of justice.

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Righteousness lodged in her, but now murderers. Your silver has become dross.

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Your best wine mixed with water. Your princes are rebels and companions of thieves.

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Everyone loves a bribe and runs after gifts. They do not bring justice to the fatherless.

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And the widow's cause does not come to them. If you would join me on your knees. God, this passage is us.

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Lord, this day, you know, and it's not out of your control, how many innocent babies died in just this city.

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Tomorrow, Lord, worship is going to happen in our cities, in our states.

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People will lift hands to you. People will sing songs.

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And they'll say, peace, peace, when there is none.

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Lord, we lie to you and everyone around us about our love for you and love for others.

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Lord, we're frauds. We're hypocrites.

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Father, I know that your character doesn't change. You are unmoved. You don't change.

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God, we know that your character hasn't changed from this word that you gave us. We know that,

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Lord, you are still full of wrath and anger when there is injustice and wickedness and murderers all around us.

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Father, help us to repent. God, I ask for it to be genuine.

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Lord, you say that you'll clean us, wash your people white as snow. But that's after you say to stop, to seek justice, protect the fatherless.

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So, God, we're here today asking you, Lord, to bring us to that place.

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We know that in Christ we have his righteousness. We know that we are standing before you with bold and confident access.

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But we ask, Lord, for new strength. Help us,

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Lord, to establish justice. Please break our hearts over this wickedness.

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Help us to hate murderers among us and murder being done around us as much as you do.

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Help us to love these fatherless children. Help us to not be frauds.

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Help us to not be hypocrites. In Jesus' name, amen.

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Amen. So, Isaiah chapter 1 is challenging because it's one of those passages that you want to see as a moment with God's people that's passed, right?

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That was Israel. That's Israel who's constantly face -planting, constantly failing, and then going through the cycle of idolatry to in the dirt, to salvation, forgiveness, mercy, back down to idolatry and sin and injustice.

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But it's interesting. The Bible says that God doesn't change.

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I'm the Lord. I do not change. Therefore, you sons of Jacob are not consumed. That's why.

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I don't change. You do. You have bad days.

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You have inconsistencies. You don't do things right. You're not obedient all the time.

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You lash out. You don't love. You're unjust. You're unmerciful.

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I'm not. God doesn't change. He tells His people, you're not consumed because I don't change.

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He's the everlasting God. He's unmovable. He's not like us.

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And when you read through God's gift of revelation to us and you see how

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He actually deals with His people in history, you have to see of course God has ways that He deals with His people in terms of how

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He extends us mercy and how He portrays the work of Christ in history. And you have symbolism that goes away and you have dietary restrictions that are training wheels for God's people to teach them to be separate, to teach them to be holy, and those things in Christ in the

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New Covenant go away. But it's interesting. We act like in the

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New Covenant somehow God has gone from a God who loves justice to a

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God who's not concerned with justice. We act like God was concerned with justice and righteousness in the land before and He hated when the land was polluted and defiled.

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And we act like, well, now we have the God of the New Covenant. He's a God of mercy and grace and love, and He's not like that anymore.

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But He doesn't change. That's the message of the Bible, and that's why we're not consumed because He doesn't change.

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He's stable, unmovable. His character is righteous. He is just. He is the principium, the reference point of all that objectivity of righteousness and goodness and justice and holiness and truth, and there's nothing that bends.

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He's unyielding. Nothing moves in Him, and that's why you can depend on Him. And when you look through the revelation of God's Word in the

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Old Testament, you see this constant cycle the people of God go through, and that is where justice and righteousness exist.

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There is holiness and obedience to God. There is a love for God and a love for a neighbor being propagated upwards and outwards and downwards and backwards.

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It's there. Truth is residing. You see blessing, blessing, fruit, protection.

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All of that you see there, and then you see, of course, the pursuit of the idolatry, the abandonment of God's truth, the abandonment of justice and righteousness, and you see, of course, that cycle where the people of God come under the disciplining hand of God where God throws their faces into the dirt, breaks them, shatters them so that they can look up again to seek justice and righteousness, and that's the cycle, isn't it, where God says, okay,

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I'm going to bring you down. I'm going to crush you, and here's what I want from you. I want you to seek my forgiveness and then come out of this back to justice, back to righteousness, back to protecting the fatherless, back to pleading the widow's cause, back to establishing my standards, my law.

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This is God's world. It doesn't belong to the devil. It doesn't belong to the enemy. It doesn't belong to wicked sinners.

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We are just visiting. We are just tenants he's allowed us to rest in his spots, in his spaces, in his homes, and what he says is if you don't obey, if you don't seek justice, if you don't protect these children, if you tolerate murderers round about you,

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I will wipe you off the face of the earth. And you think, okay, well, is that true for everybody, or is that a special covenantal relationship just with Israel, brothers and sisters, even the texts?

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If we read the Old Testament anymore, you see that God actually says, even dealing with the issue of homosexuality with his people, he tells them it's an abomination.

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No, this is an abomination. Turn away from this sin. It's an abomination, and he lists these sins, the same sorts of sins that are all around us today, and he says it's for these reasons, these things, the reason that God is actually destroying all the nations round about Israel.

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So it's not just Israel that God is judging and breaking and wiping off the face of the earth at times because of covenantal disobedience.

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He actually judges the pagans for the very same sins they're supposed to know. Romans 1 says they know.

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They know that they're specially created by God. They know he's the true God. They don't want that knowledge, so they exchange the knowledge of the true

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God for a lie, and so then what do they do? They go into worshiping other things in place of God because we don't want to know him, and so they start actually having men with men, women with women as an expression of their worship, idolatry, and rebellion against the true

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God, and God says in his word, it's for these very sins

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I'm destroying these pagan nations around you. Yeah, he cares about the sin within the community of God and outside.

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This is God's world, and the promise of Scripture is the meek shall inherit the earth. God's people get this place.

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So with that, I wanted to point to something in that text. Hear the word of the

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Lord. This is God. It's in the text. You can't argue with it because he says their solemn assemblies, their appointed feasts, right, their convocations, their offerings, they're appearing before him in his courts.

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These are the people of God he's talking to. Get it? So now contextualize it. Unmovable God, unchangeable

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God. He speaks to his covenant people, and he actually challenges their worship. They're coming to church.

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They're coming to sing their songs. They're coming to worship and do communion and all these different things.

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All the things they're giving to God, right, all their missions work, all their services, all the things they do for the community, the homeless cook -offs, and all the things that are going on, right?

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This is the people of God, right, and this is the covenant people of God, and this is what he says to them with a special relationship with him.

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Hear the word of the Lord, you rulers of Sodom. Give ear to the teachings of our

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God, you people of Gomorrah. Sodom and Gomorrah were, of course, we know, those famous places in history where their sin, their perversions, their sexual crimes, and all the turning away from God and God's order and all the goodness and justiceness and wholeness, all that was taking, that should take place was not taking place, and so what does

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God do? Sodom and Gomorrah is now marked in history. The name will never be forgotten. Sodom and Gomorrah is this place in history of disgusting, disgraceful, abominable, wicked, sinful, sexual immorality, and it's now marked in history as the spot of a place that God hates.

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He wants you to see as disgraceful and despicable. He wants you to despise, and it's a place that God actually destroyed.

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So then mark it in your minds how wicked and evil, and God destroys this place, and God says to His covenant people,

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He says, listen, Sodom, listen,

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Gomorrah, and you say, wait, no, no, we're the church of the living God. We're Christians.

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We love Jesus. That's our place. Look at our crosses on our walls, and look at all the amazing things we have, and the lights, and the things for worship.

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Look at everything we have going on here, the fog, the smokes, and look at all the things we're doing for the community.

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Like, we're Christians. It's on our building. It says First Christian Church. Like, that's our space. Like, that's who we are. I identify as Christian.

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I love Jesus, and God says to His people who identify as Jews, as covenant people,

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He says, no, you're Sodom. You're Gomorrah. You're the place of abominations and immorality that deserves to be wiped off the face of the earth.

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That's who you are. And I think, honestly, we probably don't feel the sting of it. I was praying through this and thinking through it.

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I think we don't really feel the sting of being called Sodom and Gomorrah, like, really, like we should. So what's a disgusting, a disgraceful place in this world within a couple generations of us that we understand because we learned about it in school and we've seen the pictures?

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What do we think about when we reflect on evil places in history that deserve to be wiped off the face of the earth?

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We have, honestly, no compassion for. Like, do you? I don't. I don't have any,

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I don't feel bad for the Nazis who were running Auschwitz. I don't. I don't have any compassion for them in Auschwitz.

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I don't have any compassion for the people who were over these Jews and disabled people and all the rest and just gutting them and destroying them and gassing them.

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I have none. I want justice in their place. Of course, I'd love for them to turn to Jesus, praise God, but justice in this life matters to God.

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I don't have compassion for a person who's murdering another human being that way. I think you deserve justice. I hope you find

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Christ, but I hope that justice is served in your life. We can think about those spots in history that we all know where you see these piles and piles and piles and piles of dead bodies.

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I went to the Holocaust Museum in Washington, D .C., and there's a room, if you've been there, you know what I'm talking about. It's the room of shoes.

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When you walk into that room, it's something you'll never forget. It's a room of just shoes, piles and piles and piles of shoes.

02:37:28

They're the shoes of those Jews who were slaughtered. Just a room full of shoes. It's so many shoes, it's overwhelming to look at.

02:37:36

It's just piles of shoes, and these are all dead people. And the thing you'll always remember about that room is the smell as you walk through there.

02:37:45

So you have these spots as American Christians, like, that's a disgusting place.

02:37:50

I understand the justice that was deserved, and I'm glad it's wiped off the face of the map. I'm glad that it's over with.

02:37:57

They deserved it. Well, in our context, with all the dead bodies around us on a daily basis, would it be appropriate for God to speak to His church,

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His professing church in North America today on the issue of abortion, saying something like this.

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Hear the words of the Lord, you rulers of Auschwitz, American citizens who complain about this death camp but tolerate the death camps all around you.

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All the dead bodies just building up every Tuesday, every Thursday, surgical abortion day, every

02:38:34

Saturday, all the piles and piles of dead babies. So listen,

02:38:39

Auschwitz, is it getting through? Is it connecting with us yet now as modern, sophisticated

02:38:46

American Christians? Now, I oftentimes think maybe it's a good thing that God just crushes the

02:38:54

American church, takes away our buildings, throws our faces into the dirt, takes away all of our stuff.

02:39:01

Maybe we need tyranny to get to its climax and its peak. Maybe we need to receive beatings and be thrown into prisons so finally we'll actually break free from this unbelievable, this facade of this

02:39:15

Disneyland experience of life and American dream and all the rest and actually come back to the reality of what's true about the world, who

02:39:23

I am before God, who Jesus is, and what God expects of me as a follower of Jesus.

02:39:31

Do we need to be crushed as a church? Or will we respond to God's word and actually step out in faith?

02:39:39

Jesus says, why, why do you call me Lord, Lord? And you don't do what

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I say. It's the challenge of Jesus to his people.

02:39:51

Why do you call me Lord? So many people confess Jesus as Lord. So many churches tomorrow, though, will rise up around here with thousands of members that don't do anything about the

02:40:02

Holocaust happening down the street from their church. Piles and piles of dead bodies and everyone says peace, peace.

02:40:11

There is no peace. There's dead bodies and we pretend, we lie. We say go be warm, be filled, little baby.

02:40:21

What do you mean by that, American Christian? What did you mean by be warm, be filled when you said to these dead babies?

02:40:28

What do you mean? What do you do about the abortion facility that's killing 50 babies on Saturday that's 15 minutes from your house?

02:40:37

Well, be warm and be filled. I hope those babies get taken care of. Well, what do you do about it?

02:40:42

What do you say? How do you stand against it? How did you do what Jesus commanded you, which is to love your neighbor as you love yourself?

02:40:50

And we say things like, well, my pastor preached his sermon this year on a pro -life

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Sunday. It was the day that he preaches once a year about abortion. And you know, I gave five bucks,

02:41:02

I think, once to one of those pro -life organizations. I gave some money one time to one of those.

02:41:09

How are we doing? Answer, not so well. Thousands of babies still die all around us today.

02:41:17

And so you know what's amazing? I know this is a hard thing. Is that even, let's admit it,

02:41:23

John, Rusty, Zach, everyone in this room, I know it's been this forever, admit it. We get jaded to these truths as well.

02:41:35

I don't think that I'm sensitive enough to the fact that babies are really dying. And I forget.

02:41:42

I do. And there's times where I could go and I should go and I don't because I am a fraud.

02:41:57

And I think we just need to confess it. Even we don't treat this like it should be treated. It's just the truth.

02:42:04

It is the truth. We are inconsistent and we need to repent of that. We don't put flesh on this.

02:42:10

We're jaded to all these truths. We are. We're just jaded to it. Even you get into this group like this where it's like this is the gospel.

02:42:17

Let's end abortion because of Jesus. And let's abolition and criminalize abortion.

02:42:23

And even in this room we're totally jaded to the fact that today, right around us, today while we were doing this so many babies died.

02:42:29

There's no flesh on it. It's not real to us. It's just this far away theoretical thing most of the time.

02:42:36

We're not really broken over. And I'm not saying we need to walk around every day as sad saps and there's no joy in the

02:42:42

Christian life and act like God isn't sovereign because he's sovereign over all the dead babies. But that's a sovereign judgment on us, on our nation.

02:42:54

But we have to put flesh on it, right? Treat it like it's a real thing, like it's really happening.

02:43:04

I was trying to think. I was like, Lord, how do I do it? Because I have so many messages online about abortion.

02:43:11

How do you answer objections? What are their arguments? We have hundreds of videos on the street.

02:43:16

I'm like, I don't want to reiterate the same things. I want to repent. I want to confess sin.

02:43:24

I want to just deal with the plain teaching of Scripture and just say, we're wrong, repent. God hates our worship when we don't seek justice.

02:43:32

Did you hear that? God hates our worship when we don't seek justice. I'm not going to treat you in an abusive way, but I want you to hear it so you leave with it.

02:43:42

God hates our worship when we don't seek justice. Hates it. And so I thought about what ways can

02:43:52

I do this? How can I put flesh on this so that it's like in front of us and real for a minute?

02:43:59

So I brought my daughter, if that's okay. I don't mean to make her feel embarrassed, but I wanted to bring her up for a second.

02:44:04

Did you guys meet my daughter? This is Imogen. So Imogen, as you can see, isn't she cute?

02:44:15

She's pregnant. So she's married, and that's her husband over there,

02:44:23

Kyle. So she's not Imogen Durbin anymore. She's Imogen Poynter. And this right here is

02:44:28

Evangeline Maple Poynter. I love that name. So how many weeks are you now?

02:44:35

28 weeks. 28 weeks. So 28 weeks. And I want to contrast something for a moment.

02:44:44

To put flesh on this. This is Eve, alive.

02:44:51

My granddaughter, her daughter. This past week, she did an ultrasound, and in the ultrasound, we're looking at pictures of Eve making funny faces, throwing her hand up at her face, blocking the camera, like, please no.

02:45:09

No pictures. And we're laughing about Eve's behavior, even now in the womb.

02:45:16

And she's around 28 weeks pregnant, and we're already buying things for Eve. We're referring to her as Eve.

02:45:23

We're buying her clothes. We have everything for her. We can't wait to just hold her.

02:45:29

Nothing new is going to take place when she's out in the world in terms of who she is, her value, her beauty, her dignity, our love for her.

02:45:38

It's just that then we're going to get to actually hold her. Thank you, Imogen. Thank you.

02:45:44

While we're planning ourselves, seeing these pictures, seeing her little fingers, while we're planning to kiss her face and her lips and her hands, there are, in this city, abortionists looking at the same pictures, figuring out how to sever the head from the neck, how to take the hands from the arms, how to disembowel the child.

02:46:15

That's the reality of what we're facing. Do you know that in Arizona right now,

02:46:22

Imogen can kill Eve? She can kill her. That's the truth.

02:46:31

All around the country right now, moms like Imogen can kill their daughters.

02:46:41

I have one grandson that's out right now. His name is Ezra. I saw a video of him yesterday.

02:46:47

Hope sent it, my daughter -in -law. He was buck naked dancing in the hallway. It was the most beautiful, amazing thing

02:46:56

I've ever seen in my life. He's only like one years old, and he does not stop dancing.

02:47:01

When he eats food, he dances. When he's naked, he dances. He loves to dance. He's the sweetest little thing God ever made.

02:47:08

He's only one, and she's pregnant right now with another son. They're thinking of names.

02:47:15

They might change in a little while, but we like this one. Seth Athanasius Durbin.

02:47:23

Athanasius is my hero from history. He's the patron saint of post -millennialism. He was the man who stood against those who were trying to defile the church and reject the trinity.

02:47:39

It was an amazing thing that actually happened in history that the trinity is actually under attack when that's the teaching of Scripture and the whole church, and then there's a moment where it gets squeezed down because of false teaching, and one guy,

02:47:50

Athanasius, contra mundum, against the world, stands for the trinity. God preserved the truth of the trinity through Athanasius.

02:48:00

I can't wait to meet him. So my son is thinking of Seth Athanasius Durbin, you know, a

02:48:06

Christian hero name. But notice we've already named these babies because nothing's going to be different except their location.

02:48:21

Nothing's different about their value, about their dignity, about the image of God in them, about what

02:48:27

God calls us to be in their lives. It's just a matter of time and space getting into my arms.

02:48:37

That's it. And today, because the church will not seek justice and lay our lives down for the fatherless, how many

02:48:50

Eves are dying? How many Seth Athanasius Durbins are dying in the womb?

02:48:57

How many died today? And I remember there was, you know, one

02:49:03

Christian that said, I think it was in Babies Are Murdered Here Too, that you can't, because of the gravity of the situation and just how huge it is, you can't really think about this in terms of 60 million babies.

02:49:18

60 million babies, you can't. It's too big. It's too big. Like, when we throw together numbers of Pol Pot and Stalin and Mao and Hitler, and you start throwing, like, tens and tens of millions, just be honest, you can't think about it.

02:49:31

It's too big of a number. It's too hard to actually comprehend something. You do have to think about this one baby at a time, one life at a time.

02:49:46

You know, we started this. Gosh, I don't even know how many years ago we started this.

02:49:57

We were repentant of our sin, of not acting. We were repentant of our hypocrisy, of our fraudulent

02:50:06

Christianity. And I mean that. It's a fraud. And so we went out to the abortion mill first day, saved two babies.

02:50:19

Two. And it still wasn't real.

02:50:25

Like, it was amazing, and we were like, no, you didn't have to do that.

02:50:31

We were like, you didn't have to have a saved baby on our first day. We would have gone ten years still doing it and then saved a baby.

02:50:37

And we're like, I'm fine. One life, our whole life to save one life is worth all of it.

02:50:43

That's what I've said. We've said an apology at church for years. If we go our whole lives every day to be a witness out there with the gospel and we save one life, it's a life well lived.

02:50:51

I'm fine. I'm good with that. First day, two babies. Still didn't seem real. Then we continued to save more babies.

02:50:59

Still didn't seem real. We're just numbers are climbing. Yeah, we saved 25 now. Oh my goodness, 25 babies. 26, 27, 40 babies.

02:51:07

45, it's just climbing, climbing, climbing. Still not real. It became real the first day

02:51:16

I held Carmelo in my arms. He was a baby who was seconds, seconds away from death, and I still don't comprehend it.

02:51:29

I can't feel the weight of it still because it's so incredible. His providence is so amazing,

02:51:36

I can't comprehend it. That if we hadn't gone that day and stood there, if this atheist hadn't been there that day fighting with us, if he hadn't been wearing out my friend next to me and exasperating him so that my friend left to go to the front of the building where Chris could see out his sign, please don't kill your baby.

02:52:06

If that didn't happen, all those little moments of providence, if we weren't there, Carmelo would be dead because his mom was in the abortion facility pre -op, getting ready to kill

02:52:21

Carmelo, and Chris goes running in after talking to us and threatened him, said,

02:52:26

I'm going to break down the door if you don't let me get in there to get my wife. They didn't want any of that, so they let him in.

02:52:32

He goes in there, he pulls her out, she comes out, everybody's frantic, everybody's, it's just chaos, mass chaos, she's crying,

02:52:40

I'm crying, everybody's crying, baby's alive, and she's, you know what's amazing, I'll never forget this,

02:52:45

I've never mentioned this publicly, I've never mentioned this, it just dawned on me, I never mentioned this. It is the first time

02:52:52

I've ever talked about this out loud. When she came out, do you know what she was doing?

02:52:58

She was praising God. She was about to kill her child, and her response to Christians coming to rescue her child was to sing praises to God.

02:53:15

She was saying, thank God, thank you God, thank you God, thank you guys for being here, thank

02:53:21

God. And I remember, she had

02:53:26

Carmelo, and then the special night where she came to Apologia Church, and at the time,

02:53:34

Apologia Church, still a very, very, very small church, small huddle of people, mostly rebels, and a rough looking crowd.

02:53:45

This woman brings this little tiny baby in, and all of us just passed around.

02:53:52

Carmelo, you really had to be there to see how much it changed everybody.

02:54:13

When you hold this baby in your arms that you know would be dead, if you didn't love him right, it just changed everybody.

02:54:23

Nobody can hold back tears, because you all know you're holding this most beautiful little boy, and the only reason he exists right now is because Christians actually loved him enough to do something.

02:54:46

I have plenty of messages up on the authority of Jesus, his kingdom.

02:54:52

I think you heard enough from me about the call to go into the public square and lay your life down for the gospel and give everything up.

02:55:01

And if you don't believe me, and you don't agree, that's on you. I'll leave that between you and the

02:55:07

Lord. But one thing you can't deny is

02:55:13

Matthew 25, 31. When the Son of Man comes in his glory and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne.

02:55:26

Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate people from one another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.

02:55:35

He'll place the sheep on his right, but the goats on his left. Then the king will say to those on his right,

02:55:41

Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.

02:55:47

For I was hungry, and you gave me food. I was thirsty, and you gave me drink. I was a stranger, and you welcomed me.

02:55:54

I was naked, and you clothed me. I was sick, and you visited me. I was imprisoned, and you came to me.

02:56:02

And the righteous will answer him, saying, Lord, when? Did we see you hungry and feed you or thirsty and give you drink?

02:56:14

And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you or naked and clothe you?

02:56:30

And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?

02:56:41

And the king will answer them, Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one at least of these, my brothers, you did it to me.

02:57:00

There's no way out of this. There's no way to avoid this. There's not interpretation problems and translational issues.

02:57:10

Jesus says to his people, when you did it to them, and here's the word to the modern

02:57:26

American church. Then he will say to those of his left, depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.

02:57:40

For I was hungry, and you gave me no food. I was thirsty, and you gave me no drink.

02:57:48

I was a stranger, and you did not welcome me. Naked, and you did not clothe me.

02:57:54

Sick and in prison, and you did not visit me. Then they also will answer, saying,

02:57:59

Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or stranger and naked or sick or in prison? Did not minister to you?

02:58:06

Then he'll answer them, saying, Truly, I say to you, as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.

02:58:14

And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.

02:58:23

Hi, I'm Jeff Durbin with Apologia Church and End Abortion Now. Just a few short years ago,

02:58:28

God called us to start End Abortion Now. End Abortion Now at the very beginning was just Apologia Church trying to equip local churches across the

02:58:37

United States to start abortion mill ministries to save children's lives. We wanted to create a ministry that was a gospel -centered ministry based upon Scripture, the

02:58:47

Word of God, that was coming out of local churches to once and for all end abortion.

02:58:54

We also wanted to actually begin a cultural movement to bring the light of the gospel into the conversation of abortion.

02:59:02

We knew we needed to do that through media. We wanted to actually inundate platforms globally with millions and millions of views with a focus on the gospel itself in conflict with abortion.

02:59:15

We also wanted to begin the process of raising up these local churches to bring the gospel to their local legislatures.

02:59:22

Since we began, since you started this ministry with us years ago, since you gave towards this ministry, since you participated with us in this ministry,

02:59:32

God has raised up almost 500 local churches globally. The amazing thing to us is that these local churches were not only starting this ministry to save lives, to use the gospel, and to work towards an immediate end of abortion in the

02:59:47

United States of America, but at this point we have churches that are doing this in Australia, New Zealand, all over North America, that's the

02:59:55

United States and Canada, and even now in Ireland itself. Through your participation with End Abortion Now, God has saved literally thousands of children from death.

03:00:07

At this point, we have no ability to count how many babies are being saved. I want to give you an update about 2019.

03:00:14

Many of you guys partnered with us, you prayed with us, you gave towards 2019 in our ministry and mission, and what

03:00:20

God has done has been absolutely incredible. Not only have we been able to save thousands of children from death, not only have we raised up just so many local churches globally to bring the gospel to their local abortion mills and to demand an immediate end to abortion, we were able to once again spread the message of the gospel in conflict with abortion through media around the globe.

03:00:41

We did this through regular platforms like Facebook and YouTube, and we were of course able to actually produce the documentary

03:00:48

Babies Are Still Murdered Here with Marcus Pitman. Not only did Babies Are Still Murdered Here break all the records of the last film, but Babies Are Still Murdered Here is available on YouTube and Facebook and Amazon Prime.

03:01:02

This film is being seen globally and what this film does is it actually communicates the gospel itself in conflict with abortion and it demonstrates the failures of the pro -life movements to work consistently to once and for all criminalize, end, and abolish abortion.

03:01:19

Through your partnership with End Abortion Now in 2019 you were able to be a part of what God started through this movement and that is local churches going to their local legislatures demanding an immediate end to abortion, preaching the good news of Jesus Christ to their local legislatures and demanding an immediate end to abortion in their cities, in their towns, in their states.

03:01:41

You were a part of that. You helped to make that happen. This happened across the United States of America and it was everybody from pastors to little children demanding an immediate end to abortion in their cities.

03:01:52

You helped to start that movement to bring Christians to their legislatures to demand the criminalization, the end, the abolishment of abortion in the

03:02:01

United States of America. Through your partnership in 2019 you helped us to equip and to send out kits to local churches across the

03:02:10

United States of America to train those churches and you were able to help us so that we were doing this completely for free for those churches.

03:02:17

It was no cost whatsoever to them. You also helped us through your partnership to actually begin a platform where all of these local churches can communicate with one another minute by minute to coordinate, to bring the good news into their cities, into their towns, into their states.

03:02:35

You also helped us to produce content that would equip these churches to begin their own media ministry so that we could begin the transformation of the culture with the light of the gospel across all social media platforms.

03:02:47

In 2019 all of this work began because you were a part of it with us at the beginning of the year and we want to say thank you for everything you did with us in 2019.

03:02:57

We're grateful to God for all that he's done and truly this thing is just beginning. In 2020 we have a very big year ahead of us.

03:03:06

Now that all the pieces are in place, now that we've actually raised up nearly 500 local churches to do this movement with us, now that we've been able to equip these churches completely for free, now that they're out saving thousands of lives and now that Christians are beginning the process of speaking to their legislatures with the message of the gospel demanding an immediate end to abortion and now that we are flooding the media with the content of the gospel in conflict with abortion we're ready to have 2020 be the first year we pray that there would be sanctuary cities and an end of abortion in cities, states and in this nation.

03:03:43

That's what we're working towards in 2020. All of the platforms have been laid down, all of the foundations are there.

03:03:50

2020 is the year where God willing we are hoping to raise up so many more churches to begin this work with us to save thousands more lives but also to work together as a team of all those churches to once and for all end, criminalize and abolish abortion in our nation.

03:04:10

Because you joined together with us, because you served alongside of us and because you partnered with us in ministry you made all this possible.

03:04:18

All of the thousands of children that are alive today because of Christians going out to preach the gospel in this issue they're alive today because of your work together with us.

03:04:28

So we're humbled by it, we're grateful for it and we want to ask you whether you've participated with us before or not, to prayerfully consider giving towards this work for 2020 to end abortion, to criminalize it once and for all and to do it as Christians.

03:04:45

Help us in 2020 to once and for all end this.

03:04:51

Help us to shut these places down and help us to do it with the message of the gospel.

03:05:20

Honorable council members, my name is Lauren Walker, I'm 11 years old and a member of Apologia Church. I want to sincerely thank you for the time you have given me to speak today.

03:05:29

I would like to begin by reminding you that there once was a time in American history when it was legal to own slaves and racism was commonplace.

03:05:37

Today we look back on that point in history and think how could those people have treated other human beings who simply had a different color of skin with such abuse?

03:05:46

There was also a time in American history when parents slaughtered their own children and government did nothing about it.

03:05:53

That time is now people are slaughtering their own precious babies and this council is doing absolutely nothing to stop it.

03:05:59

There will be a time in human history when people are going to look at this moment with disgust and shame just as we look back in repulsion on slavery and racism today.

03:06:10

In fact, John Piper reveals that between 1882 and 1968 3 ,446 black people were lynched in America.

03:06:20

Today, more black babies are killed by abortionists every three days than all who were lynched in those years.

03:06:28

And government is letting it happen. You should be concerned about the legacy you are leaving, but you should be even more concerned about how

03:06:34

God is going to judge you on Judgment Day. He will judge you by His holy law, the Ten Commandments, the sixth one which clearly states you shall not murder.

03:06:44

Pastor and author David Platt warned us to quote, remember God's character. He is the holy and righteous judge of all and he hates injustice.

03:06:52

He detests the taking of innocent life and he is the judge of all who participate in it. God is the judge of mothers who have aborted babies, fathers who have encouraged abortion, grandparents who have supported abortion, and friends who have advised abortion.

03:07:07

God is the judge of doctors who have performed abortions, leaders who have permitted abortions, pastors who have counseled people to have abortions, and legislators who have worked to make abortion possible.

03:07:19

That includes each and every one of you. You will be judged for your inaction on that day because doing nothing is actually doing something.

03:07:28

So I urge you to stand against abortion. Fight against it. Do whatever is needed to ensure that Arizona State Law 13 -3603 is enforced.

03:07:39

Make Phoenix a sanctuary city for the unborn in order to follow the will of God. Consider the words of Missionary C .T.

03:07:46

Testa. Too long have we been waiting for one hour to begin. The time for waiting is past. The hour of God has struck.

03:07:52

War is declared, and God's holy nameless rise and build. The God of heaven, he will fight for us as we for him, and gates and menace of hell shall not prevail against us.

03:08:04

So such men as we fear? I would like to ask you, council members, with this question.

03:08:11

Who do you fear? Man or God? God's word tells us in Luke 12 verse 5, but I will show you whom you should fear.

03:08:19

Fear him who after your body has been killed has authority to throw you into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him.

03:08:28

Thank you. Sure, we can tell you.

03:08:40

My name is Zach. Are you here today going into Acacia Women's Center? I just passed by and saw sort of the signs which struck me.

03:08:50

Yeah, they do that. And honestly, we hate the fact that we have to hold them. I hate the sign.

03:08:57

Honestly, I wish that we didn't have to. What I saw was murderer. Yeah. Okay. So that struck me.

03:09:04

So what's going on here? Yeah. Well, this place, Acacia Women's Center, I don't know if you know anything about them, but they are an abortion clinic.

03:09:11

Okay. And so what they do in this place is they take little children in their mother's womb and they tear them apart.

03:09:18

Okay. And they poison them chemically. So what we're trying to do, we're Christians. We come out here every week.

03:09:23

I'm a Christian as well. Great. We come out here every week and we try to offer the moms and the dads and the families that go into this place resources, help.

03:09:32

To not do that. Absolutely. Right. Absolutely. So we try to give them tangible things, practical things to help them, but we also want to be faithful to God and his word and tell them what he says about this and give them the hope of the gospel ultimately.

03:09:46

Right. So it's the gospel and help all in one. So the signs just kind of aid us to tell people, both them and the public, what's going on.

03:09:56

It definitely strikes your attention. I mean, driving by, I saw murder. I'm like, what the...

03:10:01

Yeah. So I turned around and came back to kind of find out what's going on here. Yeah.

03:10:07

Yeah. And the signs basically just try to aid us to communicate the message of how God feels about this particular sin and so our hope is that we can catch women going inside, talk to them, help them.

03:10:20

I don't even think I'm fertile. Well, I'm glad that you're not going in there. No, I am.

03:10:25

But no, my name is Zach. That's my sister Sherry over there. Hi, Sherry. Yeah, and this is Gabe. And honestly, we just record these things too because we want other

03:10:34

Christians to see and be encouraged that this kind of thing is possible to do to help women, to help them rescue their children.

03:10:40

I actually, if you'll let me, I actually have a picture here

03:10:46

I can show you of a young family that we made contact with outside of a

03:10:52

Planned Parenthood in Tempe and they have, they were pregnant with their fifth baby girl and so they were considering getting the abortion and we were outside actually speaking to them calling out, kind of like we're doing right now and they came out.

03:11:08

We actually helped them and this is the baby girl. Her name is Atlas. I was able to hold her in my arms when she was born.

03:11:15

This is why we're out here, honestly, is to help moms. Of course, we don't want to abuse people.

03:11:21

We don't want to mistreat them. We don't come out here motivated by hatred or anything like that.

03:11:27

It's love that compels us to be here. We know what this brings.

03:11:33

It brings destruction on these women and especially on their children. Yeah, and I'm not a mother.

03:11:38

I don't have children. I have a few. He's enough. Oh, they're a handful.

03:11:44

I have two myself. I have a little boy and a little girl. I'm like, I passed it off to the mother and I'm good.

03:11:50

No, I pulled in just because the signs were striking to me. Yeah. Honestly, they make me honestly ill sometimes to look at.

03:12:01

It's not that we enjoy displaying them. It's just that they communicate the reality because if we're driving...

03:12:09

That's why I just stopped. I pulled around. I'm like, what the hell is that? Pardon my language, but I'm like, what's going on over there?

03:12:18

I want to know what this is all about. Sometimes a helpful picture is you're driving through the city of Phoenix and you see the tobacco ad and you see what it does to a person's mouth, chewing tobacco.

03:12:29

And we say, well that's... Right. We say, that's really disgusting. Why would someone show that? Well, it displays the reality of what happens when you chew tobacco.

03:12:38

The epidemic of like, meth. Right. And they show those picked apart and that's the reality of it.

03:12:44

You have to just throw it in people's faces for them to realize what's really going on.

03:12:51

That's right. Yes. You summarized it much better than I could. Yeah. Yeah. That's why we do it.

03:12:58

Slow down. Speeding. Another one. I'm like, people slow down. It is for that, you know, to be eye -catching, to communicate to the surrounding community what goes on at this place.

03:13:09

It captures that. Yeah. I mean, it certainly does. That gets your attention. People don't pay attention to anything.

03:13:15

They're doing this. Right. The social media crap, you know. To capture with a sign like that, like, that captured me.

03:13:23

So I appreciate that. Really. And no, I was not pulling to this clinic to do...

03:13:28

I circled around because I saw the sign and it captured me. Like, I want to know. Yeah.

03:13:33

I want to be informed of what's going on. Well, that's why we come. And what you saw, I think you saw that sign that says murder over there.

03:13:40

Yes. All it basically has on it is, you shall not murder. And that's what God says in His words. So we're just here to tell people what

03:13:46

He says in hopes that they turn away. That was all I saw as we drove by and granted,

03:13:52

I'm freezing. It's cold this morning. Are you guys cold? Oh, we're okay. Yeah. We're alright.

03:13:57

Yeah. But that captured me. Yeah. And I was like, what is this all about? Let me circle back around, be more informed and understand what's going on.

03:14:07

Yeah. That's why we come here, is to try to rescue children and proclaim the good news to these women.

03:14:14

Can I give you something maybe to take with you? Absolutely. I have... let me see.

03:14:25

Sure. Yeah. So these are just a couple things that we give.

03:14:41

Nope. I got it all. Okay. In the

03:14:46

Lord. In the Lord. Not actually flesh and blood, brothers and sisters. But adopted into the family of God together.

03:14:52

So this is what we usually give to the women that come in here. It's just a life in the womb National Geographic that shows, you know, images inside there.

03:15:00

That's a gospel tract and then this is just something that we give to anyone, really, that we pass along the street.

03:15:06

So, so yeah. That's crazy. Yeah. Just a simple message that communicates what happens at this place, unfortunately.

03:15:15

So, when women do come in to this institution, and you give them this, how do they feel about that?

03:15:25

Well, we try to give them this too. This is just a list of different clinics and places that are in the area.

03:15:30

I mean, that's quite a statement. Yeah. Yeah. Our hope, if I can be honest with you, is to act on...

03:15:37

Honesty is the best policy. Right. It's to act on what they're already feeling. Because so many women come in here already convicted, already having that sense of heaviness of what they're doing because,

03:15:49

I mean, we all know it's a baby. We know pregnancy means child. So, I mean, we know. I don't know children.

03:15:54

I mean, we know. I try to sympathize or empathize. Yeah. I mean, we know from, obviously, the scriptures, but also biological evidence testifies to the fact that from the moment of conception, life is there.

03:16:07

It's irrefutable. Right? There's nothing that can come against that. Irreversible. Right. So, that message just is a simple way to say, this is happening here and to remind them that if you are going through with this today, then that becomes you and we don't want that.

03:16:22

I don't want that for you. I don't want you ultimately because this is what I tell every woman. It's a regret. It's the regret in the end.

03:16:29

That, but it goes deeper than that too. It goes deeper than just personal regret. It goes... I don't know if you've heard this message before, but the gospel of Jesus is about God's holiness.

03:16:41

It's about our sin and the fact that we're all going to stand before Him one day and give an account of our lives. And when that woman stands before God, I don't want her to stand before Him as a murderer.

03:16:52

I want her to stand before Him as someone that knows Jesus, that's been forgiven, that turns from their sin to come and know that God.

03:17:01

That's what Christmas is all about. Right? That's what Jesus coming into the world as a baby. Okay.

03:17:08

So that provides me the template to have that conversation and just say this is what

03:17:13

God says about it. It's a violation of His law, but guess what? He forgives murderers. He forgives drunkards.

03:17:21

He forgives thieves. He forgives adulterers. If you believe in Christianity, that's the thing. Irrelevant. I don't think it's irrelevant though.

03:17:29

The fact that if someone doesn't believe in it, that doesn't make it true? No. No, no, no. I'm just saying people in their head, if they're not

03:17:36

Christians, if they're another Yeah. Another belief system.

03:17:43

Religion. Right. And they don't buy into that. Yeah. Unfortunately, this is an important thing to bring up because Jesus says,

03:17:53

I am the way, the truth, and the life, and no man comes to the Father but by me. So Jesus said that He was the only way to God.

03:17:59

That's either true or it isn't. It's true to me. Even if someone says, well, that might be true for you, but that's not true for me.

03:18:09

Unfortunately, the Son of God doesn't leave us room for that to be the case. It's either true or it isn't.

03:18:16

So it's what we do with that truth that ultimately decides what's going to happen.

03:18:24

And that's the message of love, hopefully, that I can communicate. It would be hatred for me not to come out here and tell people about it.

03:18:30

Right. Right? I would have to hate these women. I would have to hate these people. Am I being tamed? We usually just video the interactions that we have from the preaching that we do.

03:18:41

And what we're trying to do with that is like I said, I think I started to communicate to forgive me if I went off on a completely different tangent.

03:18:49

We try to demonstrate that just what goes on out here. Well, you're impacting the community.

03:18:56

That and we want to encourage other Christian churches that they can help these women. So that's what we want to do.

03:19:04

And why is this your utmost importance sort of with the abortion issue?

03:19:09

That's a good question. I would say ultimately in God's eyes, it's not just about this one thing.

03:19:17

It's not just about abortion. God commands us to live a holy life and that encompasses all the sins that we've committed.

03:19:24

We have to turn from a whole life of sin. But to answer your question, why abortion? 60 million children have been murdered since Roe v.

03:19:33

Wade. That was the court decision that led to the supposed legalization of abortion.

03:19:39

And so in our nation, there's about 3 ,000 children every day that get murdered which is about 9 -11 every single day.

03:19:48

So that's why it matters. We live in a city where this is kind of happening right across the street from where we live.

03:19:53

There's people living there. And let me give you two sort of stances on this.

03:19:59

Number one, I'm for abortion because that's a woman's choice.

03:20:06

Should it be something that would be... Number two,

03:20:12

I don't have children and I can't have children. So you would say and I would agree with you because I'm sure

03:20:18

I know what you're going to say. You're fundamentally against rape. Absolutely.

03:20:24

Okay. So if I were to ask you as a Christian, and I'm agreeing with you, I think it's absolutely detestable and I think it's horrible and I think any man that does that should be put to death because that's

03:20:34

God's standard. Now, if I were to ask you why?

03:20:41

Why is rape wrong? Why does it detest... I mean, why does it make us ill to think about?

03:20:47

Why is it wrong? Because it's a violation of someone's A violation of someone's rights, their body?

03:20:56

Yes. Right? You're doing things with someone's body that you shouldn't be doing. No. Now I want you to think about...

03:21:02

I want you to think about one thing. That's what's happening in there with abortion.

03:21:09

There's a little girl in the womb, a little woman, who's having her rights and her body violated by someone else.

03:21:17

So if we're going to say I'm against rape, we should turn around and also say

03:21:22

I'm against what's happening to these little women in there that are having their bodies violated in the womb. You see that?

03:21:30

So we should condemn both equally because they're both violations of people's bodies.

03:21:36

Absolutely. Absolutely. So that's the point. So when someone says I'm for it, it should be a woman's right to choose.

03:21:45

In order for that to be true, we would have to deny the little woman in the womb her choice. Gosh. I guess there's so many ways to look at it.

03:21:57

Well, our position, obviously, is that there would be God's way, and that is

03:22:03

He's not giving people a choice to say, you know what? If you want to kill your baby, go ahead.

03:22:10

He's saying don't murder your baby. Protect your child. Love your baby.

03:22:16

And of course there's always a circumstance, right? Maybe someone doesn't have money. Maybe someone has four kids already.

03:22:21

Just like the picture I showed you. That family had four children already. Maybe there is a genuine aspect of the woman was violated and what resulted from that was a child.

03:22:33

But that does not justify the murder of these children. It doesn't. And that's why it's so important why we come too to offer help and support.

03:22:43

Because we say to these women, you know something? No matter what happened to you, even if you are in yourself right now in a fearful position, you know, someone's pressuring you, it doesn't matter what it is.

03:22:53

We'll help you. We'll support you. We'll walk through this pregnancy with you. We'll shower you with diapers, with formula, practical things, a place to stay.

03:23:05

Any of that stuff, we want to give that to you. Just don't murder your baby. Don't do it.

03:23:11

Let us help you. And there's hope. So that's the message.

03:23:16

That is the message. And unfortunately a lot of people, especially a lot of Christians, they haven't taken that step yet to actually come to these places.

03:23:28

But we don't want to abuse them because they aren't. We want to lovingly say come with us.

03:23:34

Are you married? I am. Do you have children? Yeah, I have a little boy who has just turned 2 in July and then a baby girl who's 8 months.

03:23:43

In July, what day? July 11th. Oh, so he's the answer. He, yeah.

03:23:50

Ezekiel. Ezekiel's his name. I'm a Leo. July 24th. Stubborn and curious and everything else.

03:23:59

Well, you know something, I appreciate your questions. I appreciate the way that you walked over here. Yeah. Because so many times,

03:24:04

I mean, we have people come and scream at us and throw things at us. Well, that's unnecessary. Number one.

03:24:10

We consider it a joy to suffer for the Lord. We know it's going to come. Unfortunately, that's the nature of how sensitive this is.

03:24:20

We're very sensitive about this. But we cannot just... But that's why I stopped. I'm like, I'm very curious.

03:24:26

I have a curious curiosity cat. Right. Right. That will be me one day.

03:24:32

You know, I just was curious. I'm like, what's... I saw murder.

03:24:38

I'm like, what the... Flipped around, came back in the freezing cold of Arizona.

03:24:44

This is freezing cold us, right? That live here. He'll pick us up.

03:24:50

He's going to recycle us. I thank you for coming over. I appreciate your questions. And honestly,

03:24:55

I would be remiss if I didn't tell you, obviously, what's in there too, in terms of the good news.

03:25:01

And that is that... Look at this. This is the nature of this time of year, is that God has come in the flesh in Jesus.

03:25:09

And if we turn from our sin to God in the flesh, we can be forgiven. And that's what I want for you and everyone.

03:25:16

Are you able to hug? Yeah. Thank you. Thank you for coming over here and just talking with us.

03:25:21

Absolutely. Thank you. And what was your name again? Nicole. Nicole. Zach. Nice to meet you, Nicole. Take care.

03:25:33

Hi, I'm Jeff Durbin with Apologia Church and End Abortion Now. Just a few short years ago,

03:25:38

God called us to start End Abortion Now. End Abortion Now, at the very beginning, was just Apologia Church trying to equip local churches across the

03:25:47

United States to start abortion mill ministries to save children's lives. We wanted to create a ministry that was a gospel -centered ministry based upon scripture, the word of God, that was coming out of local churches to once and for all end abortion.

03:26:04

We also wanted to actually begin a cultural movement to bring the light of the gospel into the conversation of abortion.

03:26:12

We knew we needed to do that through media. We wanted to actually inundate platforms globally with millions and millions of views with a focus on the gospel itself in conflict with abortion.

03:26:25

We also wanted to begin the process of raising up these local churches to bring the gospel to their local legislatures.

03:26:33

Since we began, since you started this ministry with us years ago, since you gave towards this ministry, since you participated with us in this ministry,

03:26:42

God has raised up almost 500 local churches globally. The amazing thing to us is that these local churches were not only starting this ministry to save lives, to use the gospel, and to work towards an immediate end of abortion in the

03:26:57

United States of America, but at this point, we have churches that are doing this in Australia, New Zealand, all over North America, that's the

03:27:05

United States and Canada, and even now in Ireland itself. Through your participation with End Abortion Now, God has saved literally thousands of children from death.

03:27:17

At this point, we have no ability to count how many babies are being saved. I want to give you an update about 2019.

03:27:24

Many of you guys partnered with us, you prayed with us, you gave towards 2019 in our ministry and mission, and what

03:27:30

God has done has been absolutely incredible. Not only have we been able to save thousands of children from death, not only have we raised up just so many local churches globally to bring the gospel to their local abortion mills, and to demand an immediate end to abortion, we were able to once again spread the message of the gospel in conflict with abortion through media around the globe.

03:27:51

We did this through regular platforms like Facebook and YouTube, and we were of course able to actually produce the documentary,

03:27:58

Babies Are Still Murdered Here, with Marcus Pittman. Not only did Babies Are Still Murdered Here break all the records of the last film, but Babies Are Still Murdered Here is available on YouTube and Facebook and Amazon Prime.

03:28:12

This film is being seen globally, and what this film does is it actually communicates the gospel itself in conflict with abortion, and it demonstrates the failures of the pro -life movements to work consistently to once and for all criminalize, end, and abolish abortion.

03:28:29

Through your partnership with End Abortion Now in 2019, you were able to be a part of what God started through this movement, and that is local churches going to their local legislatures, demanding an immediate end to abortion, preaching the good news of Jesus Christ to their local legislatures, and demanding an immediate end to abortion in their cities, in their towns, in their states.

03:28:51

You were a part of that. You helped to make that happen. This happened across the United States of America, and it was everybody from pastors to little children, demanding an immediate end to abortion in their cities.

03:29:03

You helped to start that movement to bring Christians to their legislatures to demand the criminalization, the end, the abolishment of abortion in the

03:29:11

United States of America. Through your partnership in 2019, you helped us to equip and to send out kits to local churches across the

03:29:20

United States of America to train those churches, and you were able to help us so that we were doing this completely for free for those churches.

03:29:27

It was no cost whatsoever to them. You also helped us through your partnership to actually begin a platform where all of these local churches can communicate with one another minute by minute to coordinate, to bring the good news into their cities, into their towns, into their states.

03:29:45

You also helped us to produce content that would equip these churches to begin their own media ministry so that we could begin the transformation of the culture with the light of the gospel across all social media platforms.

03:29:57

In 2019, all of this work began because you were a part of it with us at the beginning of the year, and we want to say thank you for everything you did with us in 2019.

03:30:07

We're grateful to God for all that He's done, and truly, this thing is just beginning. In 2020, we have a very big year ahead of us.

03:30:16

Now that all the pieces are in place, now that we've actually raised up nearly 500 local churches to do this movement with us, now that we've been able to equip these churches completely for free, now that they're out saving thousands of lives, and now that Christians are beginning the process of speaking to their legislatures with a message of the gospel demanding an immediate end to abortion, and now that we are flooding the media with the content of the gospel in conflict with abortion, we're ready to have 2020 be the first year we pray that there would be sanctuary cities and an end of abortion in cities, states, and in this nation.

03:30:54

That's what we're working towards in 2020. All of the platforms have been laid down. All of the foundations are there.

03:31:00

2020 is the year where, God willing, we are hoping to raise up so many more churches to begin this work with us to save thousands more lives, but also to work together as a team with all those churches to once and for all end, criminalize, and abolish abortion in our nation.

03:31:19

Because you joined together with us, because you served alongside of us, and because you partnered with us in ministry, you made all this possible.

03:31:28

All of the thousands of children that are alive today because of Christians going out to preach the gospel in this issue, they're alive today because of your work together with us.

03:31:38

So we're humbled by it, we're grateful for it, and we want to ask you, whether you've participated with us before or not, to prayerfully consider giving towards this work for 2020 to end abortion, to criminalize it once and for all, and to do it as Christians.

03:31:55

Help us in 2020 to once and for all end this.

03:32:01

Help us to shut these places down, and help us to do it with the message of the gospel.

03:32:33

Okay, well guys we wanted to have you come here number one just to celebrate this baby girl here, and she's 16 months now, which time flies.

03:32:44

I know I remember when I was able to hold her in your home and we were able to come see her at the hospital when she was born, and wanted to have you guys come here and tell her story basically, and the purpose and the reason why we wanted to have you guys come here is to celebrate her life, and also to encourage other families who were in your guys' position where you were that day at Planned Parenthood when we were outside calling out to you guys, and we want to encourage other moms and dads who are in this position, and also other

03:33:20

Christians, other people that go to these kinds of places, and they call out, they plead for the lives of children, they offer help, practical help, they preach the gospel, we want to hopefully give something that will inspire other people to start doing this, other churches to start rising up and doing the very thing, because this is the proof right here, this is what it's all about, this is what's worth laying down somebody's whole life for, is this baby girl that you're holding, she is absolutely worth the sacrifice, and everything that comes with it, so if you could, whoever wants to go first, just bring us into you're nominated,

03:34:03

Derek, whoever wants to go first, just bring us into her story you know, from the beginning, through your perspective, and in your own words

03:34:13

Wow, alright um uh so we had just had this little one for not too long and we were struggling, because I wasn't making a whole lot of money back then um then we had our son

03:34:32

Archer as well, who was still in diapers, still young, and this one is a baby, and then she found out she was pregnant and we both kind of freaked out we're going to have five kids and no money and I think at the time we had we had just gotten a car repo'd in Alaska and my dad sent us $2500 and we kind of made the decision that that $2500 was going to get us back to Arizona instead of trying to winter in Alaska and then that's when we come into she's born, a couple months after she's born she's pregnant with her and at this point our life had already fallen apart

03:35:23

I was making I think $9 an hour at the time we were living with our parents trying to get out on our own and that's when we met you guys and I know there's circumstances surrounding that I guess what

03:35:41

I want to ask you guys is going to a place like that, Planned Parenthood obviously we all know what they do there it's no secret the reason that drives us there is ultimately love for mothers and fathers like you families like you who go to these places and contemplate doing what you guys were contemplating doing that day obviously there was a lot going on in your life right?

03:36:06

I mean financial stuff, there was all this shifting ground in terms of work you're adding another mouth to the table to feed we talk to so many people who are in the exact same position and they just don't know what to do it just doesn't seem like it's possible at this point to take care of another child right so you guys find yourself in this position now how did this transition to you guys contemplating

03:36:42

Atlas and ending up at Planned Parenthood at what point did you guys consider this and what led to that taking place?

03:36:50

it was me he didn't want it at all he didn't want to go there at all

03:36:56

I didn't want to go there at all but at the same time I don't know he was going to do what

03:37:02

I was going to follow her I didn't really want to but at the same time

03:37:07

I was still stressing out about how am I going to feed five kids on nine bucks an hour that's a chore and throughout this process through us getting there the first visit there was very deceptive how so?

03:37:28

just the ultrasound they show you we've been through I asked if I could see it and they wouldn't show me it ok and at this point you were how far along?

03:37:37

I think I was five weeks five to six weeks but we had seen several several ultrasounds in six weeks where if you go to a doctor's office and they show you a six week ultrasound it takes up the whole ultrasound the one at Planned Parenthood they zoom out and it's this little dot and they're like see there's nothing even there ok so they said that to you yeah actually they wouldn't even let me back there ok so you were completely barred from access it was just her ultrasound zoom out frame in terms of there's nothing there don't worry about it and then at that point correct me if I'm wrong but that was the same day no that was the first visit and then they did take us both back to talk to a doctor and the doctor said essentially we'll give you one pill that starts the process the second pill gets rid of everything since there's nothing in there at all anyway it's not a big deal the

03:38:36

Saturday we came to take the first pill is when you guys were out there and that's when we walked in I personally didn't want to get out of the car

03:38:46

I was like nope there's people here I don't want to do this let's just go no let's just get inside and then it'll all go away

03:38:54

I was like alright well hurried up inside they took her ID and then in the process of them taking her

03:39:03

ID and us sitting there you can hear the megaphone and if you guys hadn't been there she wouldn't be here no and I think right before we walked out someone had walked out and started yelling at you guys and then he was on his way back in and we were on our way out like whatever dude

03:39:23

I think I remember that honestly that day yeah once he saw us coming out that's when he calmed down and stopped yelling at you guys or something like that yeah and I started crying she started crying prayers were said it was very emotional

03:39:42

I know for me and I know for her after we had left it was a very emotionally jarring experience yeah even for weeks after it was one of those like we almost did that come here wow okay so I mean you guys were in there you know on the verge of going through this what you described for this stage of pregnancy that Courtney was at is so common in terms of the pill what happens with that you take the first pill and then you take the second pill and that ends the life of your child essentially and Atlas wouldn't be here with us right now but as you guys said you were there can you describe to me

03:40:31

I mean as you were hearing this and you're exactly right by the way I remember a man coming out and screaming at us which is not uncommon out there in the nature of this work but as you were hearing you know the the megaphone the calling out

03:40:46

I don't know if it was intelligible if you could remember what's being said but like during that time what was it that led you to say okay at this moment we're leaving can you just describe what was going through your mind what was going through your heart at that point

03:41:02

I don't want to sound vulgar but she said basically

03:41:10

F this and let's go she walked out and I was like alright we're doing this and we walked out and then

03:41:17

I remember talking to you guys and just like I couldn't really see anymore I was bawling my eyes out there was a ton of hands on me and I just remember people honking as they went past and yelling at you guys and I was like just shut up I'm tired of you guys already and I couldn't imagine being you guys standing out there and dealing with that the whole time like we were out there for maybe 10 minutes of prayer and just the one guy yelling at you guys and we walked out into that and all the people just shocking and I don't know it really sucked being where we were at just because what we almost went through with and then

03:42:02

I personally felt really I don't know how to put it kind of condescending on myself that I'd gone that far with it,

03:42:15

I'd let her go that far with it and that now here we were talking to you guys and it was definitely an experience that I wouldn't want to go through again yeah well

03:42:30

I mean I completely believe that God was kind to you guys on that day

03:42:36

He was merciful to you all and as you said which always humbles me because we know that it's not about any one of us,

03:42:46

I mean we just we're out there and we go and then God moves and we see miracles like this happen we see moms and dads inside and you know sometimes when they explain it to us they say

03:42:59

I don't know I just knew, I knew it was wrong and I knew I had to leave just like how you described and you know we get to be out there and just try to cover you guys with love and obviously we were preaching the message to you that day that you know will help you you know talking about what

03:43:18

God does in terms of saving people who find themselves in this position, not just saving them physically, saving the child saving your baby girl from what was going to happen to her but for anyone that that is contemplating this and that turns away from it, changes their mind literally and comes to God that shame and that guilt and that feeling that you're talking about man it's that condescension the way you put it like it's almost it's that it's that did you drop that in the hole?

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Looks like you did that um I mean just that sense of guilt really I think and the shame for this is what we were going to do, we had it in our minds and we were going through with this and our baby girl was almost not here doing this and the message that we always try to bring out there is that shame that you feel you know that shame is put on God's son

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Jesus on the cross and if we turn from our sin he takes our shame and he's ashamed in public on the cross what he did so that we don't have to be ashamed in secret because that's what this, that's the nature of what this is, it happens behind closed doors right and away from everything, away from public view so I just want to encourage you with that man personally is if any part of you still is burdened by that there is hope and there is forgiveness in Christ ultimately and he takes away our shame and our guilt in terms of having the opportunity to be there with you guys in the hospital when she was born that was an amazing experience obviously being able to hold her at your house after can you guys describe,

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I know Courtney you were telling my wife that a little bit about her in terms of she's probably the only one of your children that actually looks like you right so right so I know that that's special but I mean tell us a little bit about Alice, what is she like I mean what is she drawn to in terms of things that really babies, she has a baby doll that she carries around, it's adorable she wraps it in a little blanket

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I mean she's already going for the babies over there she likes barbeque barbeque, yeah he made ribs and she loved it she went to town on ribs yeah she loved it, man well

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I mean we know about Alice, we know her story, we know what brought you guys there we know about God's grace and bringing you guys out of there but I guess the one other thing

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I'd want to ask you guys is I mean what would you say to other families other mothers and fathers who are in the same position you guys were in and maybe even say something to other people who are like us and who just want to sacrifice everything and go here to do this every day if that's what it takes to save lives,

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I mean what would you say to them the people that are in the position we were in, ask for help because we spent so much time with just each other not asking anyone else for help it was just, what are our options, what can we do about this when we walked out he wasn't going to go ask you guys for help but I told him that we were going to leave

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I'd like to just hop in the car and drive away right, just out here and we needed help we definitely needed help and then members from your church, members from the other churches that Christmas was probably one of the best

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Christmases we've had just all the presents and all the checking up people did to just kind of, hey how are you guys doing do you guys need anything is she okay does she need anything how are the kids and then what

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I would say to people that are out there with the church thank you don't get disheartened by people yelling at you because I mean

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I got that you are I always say

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I mean this is my greatest argument for what we do there's really no speaking against or refuting this right here this is the ultimate so I mean and I want you guys to hear this as long as you'll allow us to continue to come alongside you and support you guys we want to be here for you and I'd love to personally just develop more of a relationship with you guys and hang out and have dinner or maybe go shooting so hopefully we can make that happen but guys

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I want to thank you so much for coming here and just having the courage to tell her story and having the courage to inspire other people to continue doing this and moms and dads who are in this position that there is help there's both help and there's hope, hope in Christ and then help among the people of God among his people so thank you guys so much for coming and talking with us

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Derek, Courtney and Atlas you probably partly answered this question already but is this right here this joyful noise that's being raised is this worth it is this worth it all of them together it's crazy but yeah it's worth it it is it gets we have 5 kids now

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I don't know if that's been expressed but yes we have 5 kids now this one is and it's worth it every day hard work it's exhausting but it's awesome amen, children are a blessing hello again honorable representatives of Arizona I come back today to remind you of your duty to uphold justice for the unborn citizens of our state

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I appear before you not as a neutral party to this issue but as a Christian standing on the principles of scripture which

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I admit may seem foreign to you we've all been told that to engage in such behavior is to violate a supposed separation of church and state a phrase that has been twisted and weaponized by the enemies of my

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Lord to get Christians like me to check their ultimate commitments at the door and enter the public square stripped of their foundation to condemn a moral atrocity like abortion but I will not relinquish my religious foundation in fighting for the lives of these children anymore than pro -choice advocates will relinquish their religious commitment to the position that human beings in the womb aren't worthy of our protection because they haven't earned their personhood yet I am more concerned with being faithful to my

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Lord than looking respectable or reasonable in your sight what's unreasonable is for mothers in our state to think so little of their children is to treat them like disposable waste for their own sakes it is not respectable to pay someone to assassinate your own offspring by having their little bodies sucked out of your body and then discarded under the label of unwanted parasite it is unconscionable to carve up a child and call this act choice, healthcare, or reproductive freedom which is a euphemism for child murdering rights due to the fact that if a woman is pregnant she has already exercised her right to reproduce this term becomes the thin veneer of pseudo justice that exclaims it's a righteous thing for them to desire the death of their own children for their sake and the obligation of others like us to ensure that they have the provision to carry it out such thinking is the basis of violent injustice with the primary victim being the unborn child in the womb who is made in the image of God respectfully and lovingly to you leaders of our city you are required to act and ensure true justice for the true victims of this crime that is the fatherless children being abandoned by their parents in our state even if you're sitting here today and you agree with what

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I'm saying merely acknowledging the truth that this is murder is not enough you must act to end it completely not play a political football with the lives of the pre -born neighbors you are commanded to love and defend this council is to be governed by Arizona revised statutes and setting city policy and passing rules and regulations therefore

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I am pleading with you to pass no new law but to recognize and enforce existing

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Arizona state law revised statute 13 -3603 if you do not the only ones that suffer as a result will be babies in our state that are systematically and brutally murdered under your watch thank you so much again for your time go to endabortionnow .com

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for more details Hi I'm Jeff Durbin with Apologia Church and End Abortion Now.

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Just a few short years ago God called us to start End Abortion Now. End Abortion Now at the very beginning was just Apologia Church trying to equip local churches across the

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United States to start abortion mill ministries to save children's lives. We wanted to create a ministry that was a gospel centered ministry based upon scripture the word of God that was coming out of local churches to once and for all end abortion we also wanted to actually begin a cultural movement to bring the light of the gospel into the conversation of abortion.

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We knew we needed to do that through media. We wanted to actually inundate platforms globally with millions and millions of views with a focus on the gospel itself in conflict with abortion.

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We also wanted to begin the process of raising up these local churches to bring the gospel to their local legislatures since we began since you started this ministry with us years ago since you gave towards this ministry since you participated with us in this ministry

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God has raised up almost 500 local churches globally.

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The amazing thing to us is that these local churches were not only starting this ministry to save lives to use the gospel and to work towards an immediate end of abortion in the

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United States of America but at this point we have churches that are doing this in Australia, New Zealand all over North America that's the

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United States and Canada and even now in Ireland itself through your participation with End Abortion Now God has saved literally thousands of children from death.

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At this point we have no ability to count how many babies are being saved. I want to give you an update about 2019 many of you guys partnered with us, you prayed with us, you gave towards 2019 in our ministry and mission and what

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God has done has been absolutely incredible. Not only have we been able to save thousands of children from death and not only have we raised up just so many local churches globally to bring the gospel to their local abortion mills and to demand an immediate end to abortion, we were able to once again spread the message of the gospel in conflict with abortion through media around the globe.

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We did this through regular platforms like Facebook and YouTube and we were of course able to actually produce the documentary

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Babies Are Still Murdered Here with Marcus Pitman. Not only did Babies Are Still Murdered Here break all the records of the last film, but Babies Are Still Murdered Here is available on YouTube and Facebook and Amazon Prime.

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This film is being seen globally and what this film does is it actually communicates the gospel itself in conflict with abortion and it demonstrates the failures of the pro -life movements to work consistently to once and for all criminalize, end and abolish abortion.

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Through your partnership with End Abortion Now in 2019 you were able to be a part of what God started through this movement and that is local churches going to their local legislatures demanding an immediate end to abortion preaching the good news of Jesus Christ to their local legislatures and demanding an immediate end to abortion in their cities in their towns, in their states.

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You were a part of that. You helped to make that happen. This happened across the United States of America and it was everybody from pastors to little children demanding an immediate end to abortion in their cities.

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You helped to start that movement to bring Christians to their legislatures to demand the criminalization, the end, the abolishment of abortion in the

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United States of America. Through your partnership in 2019 you helped us to equip and to send out kits to local churches across the

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United States of America to train those churches and you were able to help us so that we were doing this completely for free for those churches.

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It was no cost whatsoever to them. You also helped us through your partnership to actually begin a platform where all of these local churches can communicate with one another minute by minute to coordinate to bring the good news into their cities, into their towns, into their states.

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You also helped us to produce content that would equip these churches to begin their own media ministry so that we could begin the transformation of the culture with the light of the gospel across all social media platforms.

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In 2019 all of this work began because you were a part of it with us at the beginning of the year and we want to say thank you for everything you did with us in 2019.

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We're grateful to God for all that he's done and truly this thing is just beginning. In 2020 we have a very big year ahead of us.

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Now that all the pieces are in place, now that we've actually raised up nearly 500 local churches to do this movement with us, now that we've been able to equip these churches completely for free, now that they're out saving thousands of lives and now that Christians are beginning the process of speaking to their legislatures with the message of the gospel demanding an immediate end to abortion and now that we are flooding the media with the content of the gospel in conflict with abortion we're ready to have 2020 be the first year we pray that there would be sanctuary cities and an end of abortion in cities, states and in this nation.

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That's what we're working towards in 2020. All of the platforms have been laid down. All of the foundations are there.

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2020 is the year where, God willing, we are hoping to raise up so many more churches to begin this work with us to save thousands more lives but also to work together as a team of all those churches to once and for all end, criminalize and abolish abortion in our nation.

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Because you joined together with us, because you served alongside of us and because you partnered with us in ministry, you made all this possible.

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All of the thousands of children that are alive today because of Christians going out to preach the gospel in this issue, they're alive today because of your work together with us.

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So we're humbled by it, we're grateful for it and we want to ask you, whether you've participated with us before or not, to prayerfully consider giving towards this work for 2020 to end abortion, to criminalize it once and for all, and to do it as Christians.

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Help us in 2020 to once and for all end this.

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Help us to shut these places down and help us to do it with the message of the gospel.