Balanced Theology and Christianity — Roy Daniel

Okay, stand next to me. Which of us, this is not a joke, but which of us is bigger? More heavy? I know I'm the only thin person in this hall, but I mean, between us two, thank you very much. It's an obvious, obvious thing.

Now, if we were to have a scale, and I don't know how these pens work, but if you were to have a scale, I don't know how they make scales in America, something like that, and if you had Roy Daniel on the one, and you had Brandon on the other, then obviously, Brandon's one would be lower down, and I would be higher up.

Balanced Theology as a Pursuit of Truth

Okay, there's a verse from the Bible, Proverbs 11, verse one, and it actually has nothing to do with that, but it says, a false balance is an abomination to the Lord, but a just weight is his delight.

And as I understand, I might be wrong, this is a hard verse to interpret, but a false balance is not an imbalanced balance. I mean, the fact that he was heavier than me, and he still is heavier than me, and he always will be heavier than me, doesn't make it a false balance.

A false balance is, I think, when someone says it is five pounds, and it's only four pounds, and they balance it wrong, and that is an abomination to the Lord, which actually has very little to do with what I'm gonna talk about, because today I'm gonna talk about balanced theology and Christianity.

Balanced theology and Christianity. There is no verse in the Bible which directly says, we should have balanced theology or Christianity, but I think it's something that we should have, because we should seek the truth, and balanced theology would be the truth, as opposed to unbalanced theology.

With that thought, let us go over to prayer. Father, I thank you from my heart for thy word, which is truth, and I just ask you these few thoughts, which me and my wife, sitting downstairs, gathered together, or that I gathered together next to my wife, I just ask you that you'll bless them, Lord, and give me wisdom as I speak, and just show us thy will for our lives.

Lord, we need thee this night. There's not one thing on earth that we don't need thee for. We can't do anything without thee, and I can't preach without thee, and so I just lay myself at thy feet and say, Father, remember me this night, and speak through thy servant.

In Jesus Christ's name, amen. Balanced theology and Christianity. Now, you'll read in Genesis chapter 11 of the Tower of Babel, and the Tower of Babel was when man decided he was gonna build, I think it was King Nimrod or so, decided that he was gonna build a large and amazing tower, and this tower was gonna reach up, not down below, but up, up to heaven, and of God, of course, while they were building this tower, God changed their languages, and very soon, they couldn't speak to each other, and they got scattered all over the world, but to me, this is a picture of many people who are not saved, and it's also a picture to me of many people who are saved, because many people who are not saved, they try to work their way up to God, and Brandon, every single time I ever come to the Rhineland, the church is very good at preaching that we shouldn't work our way up to God.

In fact, it's his favorite topic, it seems. I know he's got other topics, but I haven't heard them, but basically, and it's very clear from Scripture, we're not supposed to work our way up towards God, and you can't get saved that way, but now, let's say you got saved by grace through faith.

You are wonderfully saved, and God's changed your heart. Is it possible to live a life as a Christian whereby you're not working out from God and what he has done, but you're working towards God? Is that possible as a Christian, for you to work towards God and not work out from God and what he has done?

Let's read this verse in Hebrews 4 .10 .11. For he, you can look it up, Hebrews 4 .10 .11. This sermon, by the way, is different to the sermons I'll bring at the camp, which is more, you could call it evangelist type sermons, but this is more of what me and my wife, as I sat on the bed, just praying and asking God, wrote down a few points just to bring tonight.

Hebrews 4 .10 .11 says, for he that is entered into his rest, that's Christ's rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. Let us labor, therefore, to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works. Yeah, we have two extremes. Okay, you've got a person who's working towards God, and you've got a person who's working out from God in what he's done.

You've got a person who has ceased from his own works, you've entered into the rest in Christ, or you've got a person who's working towards God. I'd like to give a very simple example of that. I'm reading my Bible, and as I'm reading my Bible, as a Christian, I know that God is only gonna bless me when I've read 10 chapters of the Bible, and I have to read about 10 chapters of the Bible before he starts blessing me.

What am I doing? Am I working out from God, or am I working towards him? I have to read an amount of the Bible before he starts to bless me, before he starts to speak to me. That's working towards God.

But let's say I pick up my Bible as a Christian, as a born-again Christian, with Christ in my heart, and I know, according to 2 Corinthians chapter 3, that the Jews used to have a veil on their heart when they read the Bible.

As unsaved people, there was a veil on their heart, but when it shall turn to the Lord, that veil shall be taken off, it shall be taken away. And I know, because I know Jesus, that that veil is gone, that veil is away.

Then I know that the moment I start to read the Bible, not after I've read for three chapters, or 10 chapters, or 20 chapters, or 30 chapters, the moment I open the Bible, before I've done anything, because I know God, he can speak to me.

There's a rest in Christ, very clear in Hebrews, and it's not an apathetic rest like the Hindu people. They rest, they meditate, you know, they go, ooh. And when they meditate, they go into this meditation state where they're in a trance or something, and they're resting, you know, from about everything on earth.

That's not the rest of the Christian. We have a dynamic rest, where all our works spring out from Christ-completed work. All our works spring out from Christ-completed works. And so, when we cease from our own works, sorry, I sound like a lecturer.

But we, and this is such an important, simple point. There's people who have been 10 years as Christians, 20 years as Christians, they're already born again, but they struggle with the fact that they're trying to please God by the amount of things that they do, before he can bless them, instead of working out from God, and what he's already done 2 ,000 years back.

When I read my Bible, it is not how much I read, but the fact that 2 ,000 years back, Christ died, and he rose again. And because of that, because of what he has done, I can turn to the Bible and know that the Bible is an open book to me, and God will bless me.

Now, in 1 Peter 2, verse five, it says, he also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ. It's very clear from the scriptures that we are to keep certain commandments of Christ, baptize them in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, and teach them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you.

And the commandments of Christ are things like honor your parents, that's to do with money, that's to do with every single area of your life is the commands of Christ. But why does God accept these sacrifices, the sacrifice of obedience?

Why, when we honor our parents, does God accept that? Well, I disobeyed my parents when I was younger. Why would God accept it now? When I was younger, I broke about every commandment in the Bible. Why does God accept our obedience right now, when we choose to obey him due to our love?

Well, it's because it's acceptable to God by Jesus Christ. Every single command of Christ that we keep is not acceptable to God because we do it. Or how much we do it. It's acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

Legalism, Liberty, and Four Christian Extremes

Now, I'd like to, I'm just giving different thoughts now, and it's gonna come into in this sermon a bit haphazardly, but it's gonna come into basically the idea of a few ways in which people are unbalanced as Christians.

And I'd like to have four volunteers, but I'd like to pick them if that's all right. Aaron can have you, Jason can have you, Brannon can have you again, and Doug, we would like you to, could you bring chairs to the front, and I'd like four chairs right over here.

Ezra, you can't come because you're getting married, sir. You've passed the stage of volunteering. You are married, he's in the middle. I ask forgiveness, brother. Okay, now, we have four young, three of them eligible young men, and they all, at one stage of their life, watch television.

Isn't that terrifying? But now we've got a situation where later in their life they've changed, or they haven't changed, and we've got four different people. Jason, okay, now Jason, he doesn't have a television.

He says that's a no-no, and he, like the Tower of Babel, is trying to impress God and impress people, and the higher he climbs up the Tower of Babel, the more he looks down at other people and thinks that they're stupid and unholy, and he says, I don't have a television.

I really don't have a television, and anybody wants to know, I don't have a television. And it's very important that everybody knows that I don't have a television, because you guys are all sinners, you have televisions, and you're going to go to hell.

Now, Doug, he's slightly more balanced. He also doesn't have a television. But the difference is, Doug doesn't have a television, not because he believes that television is sinful in and of itself as a box.

He believes that we shouldn't have a television because what's on the television is harmful to people, and he doesn't want to defile himself, his wife, and his children, so as the priest of the home, his child is coming, as the priest of the home, he's decided he's not going to have a television.

But one day, the twin tiles falls down, and what does Doug do? He runs off to a restaurant, and he says, this is a great, amazing occurrence in history, and he looks at the twin tiles falling down, and he doesn't feel sinful at all for watching the television in that stage because it's a big occurrence in history.

And he goes home and never watches it again. Okay, great. Then you have Aaron. He's a mechanic. He's a friend of mine. And he does have a television. He believes that we have a liberty in Christ Jesus.

Do you, by the way? He believes we have a liberty in Christ Jesus, and because of this amazing liberty, it's fine for us to have a television. And he has some good arguments, like the boxes and sin and a few other things.

In fact, his arguments are pretty similar to this person's argument, except that he does have a television. And his poor kids grow up, and they're only allowed to watch very good programs by his standards.

And it does influence his children's life, and it does influence his wife's clothes just to a degree, but it doesn't ruin them totally, but it does influence them for wrong. And you have Brandon. He's a total sinner.

He has television, and he watched the most terrifying stuff on television. And he gets movies that are just absolutely terrifying. And he says, I didn't pick you for this one, but he says that it's under faith.

We have a great, great, great, great, great, great liberty, and we can do whatever we want. Okay, but you don't say that, don't worry. So we have these four people. Now, the reason I got them all together is not so that you could look at them and judge them, it's so they could judge each other by my standards of what they would do.

Yeah, we have this guy and this guy. Remember what they had. Aaron, Mr. Mechanic, Baker. They, he had a television, but he only looked at pretty good programs, but it still influenced his wife, clothes, dress, and a whole lot of other things.

He had a television, he watched the most terrifying things. They look at these two people, and they say they're exactly the same as each other. You and you are absolutely terrifyingly legalistic. But this guy says, no.

Wait a minute, I'm not the same as him. He's totally liberal. He watched the Twin Towers. And so this poor guy sitting over here gets put with those two by him, and this poor guy sitting over here gets put with him by them as legalistic.

When all that he's doing is trying to have a standard that protects him, not as a legalistic burden. If he happens to walk past a shop and the Twin Towers is falling down, he'll stand for half an hour and watch it because it's a huge historic occasion, but to protect himself, knowing what's wrong in the television, he has a standard in his life which is not have a television in his home.

But he's called a liberal by the legalist, and he's called a legalist by the liberal. You may now sit down at your own seat. Now, when I was sitting on my bed preparing the salmon this afternoon, I wrote down, and I get sayings very wrong.

I said, don't throw the chickens out with the eggs. But my wife, after about 30 minutes or so, I called my wife, I started to doubt this saying, and I said to her, is there such a saying as don't throw the chickens out with the eggs?

And she said to me, Roy, I think it's you don't throw the baby out with the, well, what washing? Bathwater, something like that. So I got that wrong. But that is pretty typical of Christianity. What you've got there, I was, when I once, at my mission a long time back, there was an issue about music, and some very legalistic people came and started bashing people and whatever, and I just stood up and I said, nothing to do with those legalistic people, but shouldn't we deal with some of this wrong music that was happening at one camp?

You know what happened? They immediately put me in the boat with the guy who was carnal. They were like these two people, and they said, you're exactly the same as that guy over there. Holier than thou.

And that's what people do. They throw out the baby with the dirty bathwater. I added a word there. The devil loves extremes. The devil loves extremes. There was a missionary in South Africa that I know very well, and it's a lady.

I know quite many lady missionaries, and this one lady missionary years back used to be reasonably legalistic. That's that guy over here. And one day, she found out that she was legalistic. God showed her that she was wrong, that she'd been having all these extra-biblical rules which had nothing to do with standards to protect or anything else.

It was just basically rules that she had because she believed this was right. And when she found out that she was legalistic, it was such a revelation to her, and it was so freeing to her, that she went into a life of, even though she didn't drop all those standards, of liberalism as far as what she stood up for.

If anybody ever, I remember once coming to the house of this missionary and saying something about, isn't it sad, the dangers of this one thing? Then she would say, no, I've been there. Don't ever name something in and of itself as wrong, because then you're making a rule which will be legalism.

And I looked at her, I don't know how to look at her right, but the problem was, and this is a typical of many people, when they find out that there's an error in their life, and they come out of that error, they so react to that error that they don't, that they neglect scriptures, and they neglect other standards and scriptures in the Bible.

Because they hold on to one truth as being the most important truth in the Bible. I'd like to ask a question, are we ever to preach, and by the way, Brandon, thank you for your message this morning, it was a very good message.

This is not against your message. I love your message, I know what you mean. I understand it, and it's very good how you put it out this morning. Are we ever to preach any standard practically? More question.

Are we ever to say, this is a standard that God wants for a Christian, and it's that thou shalt not do this, or thou shalt do that. Many people argue about that. Many godly people argue about it. Many people with beautiful modest dresses say that you should never talk about modesty practically.

You shouldn't say that this or that is modesty. You shouldn't say that thou shalt do this or thou shalt do that. There should be nothing of that, because after salvation, there's a relationship between a Christian and God in which the Holy Spirit will shine a light upon you, and step by step, he will show that individual what is God's will for that person in life, and you are not to preach definite standards.

Practical Christian Standards and the Role of Scripture

Well, I've seen so many people fight about this. I think it's like the man and woman, I was once in their house, and I go into hundreds of people's houses, but I was in this one house, and I never forget about this.

It is so brilliant. This man, husband, and wife were fighting, and it was about a spoon in a drawer, and the husband was saying, I think the spoon is in the bottom drawer, and the wife was saying, I think the spoon is in the top drawer, and the husband was going, and honestly, when they were fighting, and it took about five minutes, they were still just going on.

I believe, no, I think it's in the bottom drawer. No, I believe it's in the top drawer, and I just sat there, and I watched this comic television show, I don't know what you call it, and eventually, I just put up my hand, and I thought I could silence it.

I thought I had enough wisdom that I could just tell them the answer, look in the drawer. And so I said, why don't you just look in the drawer? You know, they ignored me. I think it's in the top drawer.

Now, I can tell you, I remember it was in the bottom drawer, and they were serious. So if we talk at something like this, is it ever right to preach a standard practically, instead of fighting about it and saying, is it?

I think so. No, I don't think so. Yes, I think so. No, I don't think so, and going around in circles, why don't we just open up the drawer and see what the apostles did? What did they do? Well, if you look at the books of Paul, you will see very clearly that he used to split up his books into two sections, sometimes three quarters of every, almost every single one of Paul's books, depending if you believe Hebrews was written by Paul or not, which I doubt, but every single one of the books we know to be Paul's books is split up into about three quarters or half, which is heart's religion, that which happens through faith.

And then the next portion of the book was, thou shalt do this, thou shalt not do that. In this situation, do this, in that situation, do that. Thou shalt not, thou shalt. Now, why did he do that? Well, this is not in the Bible, but just to coin a phrase, rules without the heart is an empty box.

Rules without, I'm not talking about pharisaical rule, but any godly rules, that which is God's will, without the heart's experience through faith is an empty box. I don't know if any of you know what a box is.

Empty. But a heart without rules, not pharisaical rules, but God's will rules as revealed in the scripture is an engine or passion without direction. I'd like to repeat that. Rules without, heart's experience is an empty box.

It's a frame. It's nothing. But a heart's experience without rules or direction is an engine or passion without direction. That is why we know from scripture, and the great old theologians used to preach this, and they used to take it out, if you take any good commentary in the Bible, you'll find this, and if you just read the Bible, you'll find it yourself, that suddenly in Paul's books, like in Romans, he was talking about what happens in the heart, and what happens in the heart, and it suddenly turns around in a chapter for the last few chapters into thou shalt, thou shalt not.

In this section, you shall do this. In this situation, you shall do that. He was getting practical. He was giving direction. Or at least at first, you have to have a heart's change. You sinners, you're on your way to hell.

Though you're a Jew, though you're a Gentile, you're on your way to hell, and you need to be saved through faith. Then afterwards he says, now that you're saved, now that your heart's changed, this is what you should do in everyday practical life.

And he wasn't being legalistic. He was giving direction to an engine, or a passion. And if you don't have direction, there's gonna go, imagine putting a little car, you know, round in circles. Of course we love God, therefore, because of that love, we wanna do God's will.

But even though we love God, there's so many voices in life that we need direction, and that's why Paul got practical. And it wasn't wrong, and it wasn't legalistic. To know that in this situation, do that, and he'll give you grace to do it.

Then we have Matthew 28, verse 19, which I've spoken many times, but which most Christians ignore. It says, go therefore, and I've mentioned earlier, I said, go ye therefore and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, teaching them to observe.

What? What? What the Holy Spirit in relationship with you tells you every day is God's will, slowly through light, more and more light coming upon your pathway. No, Jesus Christ just says it. Whatsoever I have commanded you.

Whoa. Now what did Christ command? He commanded a lot of things. Generally, he repeated laws from the Old Testament. Go to the Sermon on the Mount. That is, not all of the commands of Christ, but about 11 sections of them.

And basically, or about 1 20th of the commands of Christ are in the Sermon on the Mount. Mark chapter seven, Jesus repeats the fact that we're to honor our parents. Right through scriptures, Jesus is commanding not the law, but that which he considers to be important of the law, and which is the commands of Christ.

Christ himself repeats eight of the 10 commandments. He misses out the fourth one, and the second one. John 15 verse 26, the apostles, it says that the apostles be reminded of what Christ has said. And you'll find that they mention quite a few laws that Jesus didn't mention, or that aren't mentioned in the gospels.

A lot of the books written by Peter and by Paul, and by Titus in the New Testament, or not Titus, sorry, by Paul and by Peter and so on, are simply direct quotations from the Old Testament law, thou shalt and thou shalt not.

Why does God do this? Because it's important to know God's will. Not just for your heart to be changed. It's important after you save, because many of these books, Paul didn't say to the unsaved, thou shalt, thou shalt not.

He said to the saved, he commended them for being saved, and then he said, thou shalt, thou shalt not. He was talking to Christians. They needed direction. They needed to know God's will for their life in a certain situation.

And that's very, very important. In fact, by disobeying, by not teaching practical Christianity, we don't not bring people into legalism. By not teaching practical Christianity, we directly disobey God.

Because he said, teach them to observe all things, whatsoever I have commanded you. And I've rarely ever seen anybody that has taught on the commands of Christ. From a pulpit. Balance. We need the heart's experience, and we need direction.

Doctrinal Runaway Trains and Selective Proof-Texting

Now, also, I'm just gonna, these are different things where people can get unbalanced. And obviously, if you've gone for hours and hours and hours, you know all my sermons love to deal with different things.

But you can have what is known as a runaway train. People who are so fascinated by one doctrine or verse that they sacrifice another doctrine or verse. I've already mentioned one runaway train, that missionary in South Africa.

So fascinated with the fact that we are not to be legalistic, that any rule is not of God. Even if I, as a father, decide not to have a television, because to protect my children, just to protect them, and just because it's right, the wrong things on the television, that's a rule.

We can't have that. But you also get people right through history who have the truth. And these people, in spite of the fact that they've got the truth, that truth becomes everything to them, at the cost of other truth.

Now, I'm not saying the Calvinists or the Wesleyan Miniests or any of those people have the truth. But let's just look at a few of the organizations of history or movements of history. The Calvinists.

I'm not saying everything they say is wrong. I'm not saying anything they say is right. But, Hebrews 13 verse five, let's just take one verse in the Bible. Let your conversation be without covetousness, and be content with such things as you have, for he hath said, that's God, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.

Which part of that verse do Calvinists normally quote? I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee. That's the part they quote, which is true. But they're so taken up with this truth that God will never leave you, nor forsake you, that they never, almost ever, unless they're the Bible teachers who preach verse for verse, they never, almost ever, sit down and tell you what that verse is actually talking about, which has nothing to do with salvation.

It's a wonderful truth concerning the fact that when you go through hard times financially, God will never leave you, nor forsake you. So be without covetousness. Then you have the Wesleyan Elminius, John Wesley.

They used to have multiple verses through the Bible which backed their doctrine. They were so taken up with the doctrine of holiness, and the fact that you need to have a second work of grace, that every single verse that ever said sanctify, or be holy, or anything like that, they said, this is talking about sanctification, and they missed the whole point of that chapter.

And so they missed so much that God could have meant for them through that verse. Let's read one verse. 1 Thessalonians 4, verse 3. And this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that you should abstain from fornication.

Which part of that verse do they normally quote? Because they're so taken up with one doctrine. It might be even, in a way, a true doctrine, because there is a rest in Christ, according to Hebrews. According to Romans, there is a victory in Christ that can set us free from the flesh.

But, they're so taken up with this one, they twisted the truth to sinless perfection, which doesn't exist in the Bible, that they, every time they see a verse, all they see is this, all right through the Bibles, where's the word holy, or where's the word sanctify, without seeing what God's intending for that verse.

They never teach, I've never heard, I've heard many, when I say, I'm not talking about the American sinless perfection people, but I've heard many holiness people on tape and preaching on this verse. For this is the will of God, even your sanctification.

They go straight off for one hour on the fact that we're supposed to have a second work of grace. But they never mention that you should abstain from fornication. What this verse, God, in simplicity, is trying to tell people is that we're supposed to abstain from fornication.

And they don't teach it. And you might say, well, I'm not one of that, I'm not a Calvinist, and I'm not a Wesleyan or Minniest, or the more liberal, normal types of them that aren't sinless perfection.

I'm not one of those. But I've rarely met a Christian. And I'm not saying individuals, yeah, because I don't know what you do, but in my own personal capacity, as I talk with missionaries, as I talk with Bible college students, as I talk with Christians, especially Christians who are on fire across the world, they're so taken up with one doctrine or one idea of scripture, one thing that God has taught them recently that they don't see any of the other stuff that God teaches through the Bible.

And they often take verses without seeing what God is really talking because they want to bring it across their point. And just to bring it down to earth, evangelists, there was a teacher in our mission called Mr. To, he was my prayer partner before he had a heart attack.

He didn't have a heart attack because he was my prayer partner, but he died. And a few years back, and I remember him saying he was a very good teacher. Yeah. And then talked on the different parts of the body of Christ, which is wonderful.

But Mr. To was a definite teacher and he used to stand up and say, and I appreciate this. He said, when evangelists take the Bible, that on fire for God, they write through the Bible because this is their passion, because they want to preach the gospel, repent and believe every single portion of scripture that they can find, anything that might be a picture of repent or believe that even if it's got nothing to do with it, they will find, repent and believe in that portion right through the Bible because they're going to preach the gospel.

And he said, but there's nothing wrong with that. There's nothing wrong with teaching repent and believe because it is the truth. It's not that you're not preaching the truth. The problem, he said, is you're missing so much other truth because you're so taken up with a unbalanced view of the scriptures.

You're literally reading glasses of repent and believe. Look, it's again, repent and believe. Amazing, everywhere. Now I'd like to give another example of a runaway example concerning the body of Christ.

As I said, I hear Dan brought a wonderful, everybody's told me he brought a very wonderful message and I have no idea what you preach. So I don't know if I'm going to preach the same or different. You must forgive me.

I'm not actually going to preach about the body of Christ because the body of Christ is one of the most amazing, as Dan would be able to say to you, the most, as Brandon can say of faith and Dan can say of the body, it's one of the most amazing teachings in the Bible, in doctrine of the Bible is where we fit into the body of Christ.

It's amazing. It's absolutely phenomenal. But there are people who run away with this and it becomes everything to them. So let's read 1 Corinthians 12 verse 28 quickly and then also Ephesians 4 verse 11 before we look at some people out there who are unbalanced concerning the body of Christ and how they apply it to their lives.

1 Corinthians 12 verse 28 says, and God hath said some in the church, first apostles, secondly prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversity of tongues.

Are all apostles, are all prophets, are all teachers, are all workers of miracles. Now the first thing you have to realize is that some people, and this is a wide movement across the world, box people into one of these and they say this is the only gift they have and they may not exercise any of the other gifts.

That is one of the most common heresies across the world. You can't have another gift. You can't exercise another gift. It's not as we can publicly put it that mostly you have that gift and you may exercise other gifts.

No, that's it, nothing else. And we'll come a little later why this is absolutely impractical, just cannot work out. I know many preachers who are great preachers. They are great teachers. On Sunday when they teach in the church, it's not evangelism, it's not teaching the gospel in general.

They are teaching Christians the most amazing thing. But those same preachers in the middle of the week are on the streets and they're talking to people about their souls and they're not teaching them, they're talking to them about Jesus Christ, repentance and faith in Jesus.

They are witnessing. Now are they doing wrong? Are they doing wrong because they're exercising, I'm not saying they're exercising two of the gifts but to some people that would be exercising two of the gifts.

Now they're doing right. They are used of God as teachers and they are used of God as soul winners, which is actually slightly different to evangelists. Anybody can be a soul winner. People are often deceived as to their gift.

You know, I worked for a year with a young guy, he's now married. And he was a wonderful guy, everybody liked him but he told me that his gift was definitely not to evangelize. So I said, okay, whatever.

He said, I'm a help. I like, I feel a passion in my heart to encourage people, to be there for people, to help people, to whatever for people. And I really don't have a passion to evangelize and I don't know how to do it anyway.

And then one day he read a book and after reading this book, his life changed. He suddenly had a passion for evangelism after years. And he would go out and he's preached till today to thousands and thousands of people the gospel of Jesus Christ.

And he loves it and he witnesses. And his passion is now to be an evangelist in a sense. And to teach. Or he's mixed up. But at the end of the day, he thought that the fact that he didn't have a burden meant he was not an evangelist.

Although the real reason why he didn't have a burden was he was struggling with whether he was really saved at that stage. And number two, because he didn't have a fire for souls. It wasn't to do with that he wasn't an evangelist and that he was a help.