Atheists Can't Deny THIS Near-Death Proof!

And her spirit separated from her body and she said she met a divine figure. It was. It was like nothing She'd ever experienced. It was overwhelming. But then she said I was watching from the ceiling of the room in the hospital as they were trying to resuscitate my body.

So she's watching all this. And then they were able to resuscitate her body. Her spirit returned to her body and she said by the way.

Near-Death Experiences and Out-of-Body Corroboration

Come on, what. Michael Knowles sat with Lee Strobel recently and they talked about near-death experiences. But there's something about certain near-death experiences that atheists and skeptics simply cannot deny.

There is just no good answer for this if you are committed to denying that God exists. What do you mean Nate? I'm about to show you so let's get right into it. Welcome back to wise disciple. My name is Nate and I'm helping you become the effective Christian that you were meant to be which includes understanding evidences for Christianity evidences for the supernatural even when they come from Unlikely places.

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But if it blesses you in a near-death experience a person is clinically dead. Generally, they have no brainwaves. No heartbeat, no respiration, but they're gonna come back and during the time that they are clinically dead.

They say later I was conscious the whole time and. This is what happened to me. And there's a common core to what generally happens. They often meet divine figure. They often have a life review with that divine figure.

They often meet people who had preceded them in death and things like that.

Now struggle is gonna go on to explain that this is not always a good experience. That a number of people who have experienced who have had near-death experiences They actually go to hell. And if you want to hear more about that You should check out this other video that I did recently.

It was a Sean Ryan podcast episode. I think I did this a little while back.

I'm gonna leave that in the notes for you, but here's where the corroboration comes in for me. Often they will see things or hear things that would have been impossible for them to see or hear. Had their spirit not actually separated from their body and they're able to experience this as an out-of-body experience.

So I'll give you an example. There's a woman who was dying I'm taking the hospital in London named Maria as I recall and Here she is in the hospital in the emergency room and she's she's passed away. She's and but she says later I was conscious the whole time and her spirit separated from her body and she said she met a divine figure.

It was it was like nothing she'd ever experienced. It was overwhelming. But then she said I was watching from the ceiling of the room in the hospital as they were trying to resuscitate my body. So she's watching all this and then they were able to resuscitate her body her spirit returned to her body.

And she said by the way, see the ceiling fan here in this room. There's a sticker a red sticker on the top of one of the blades. You can see it from the room, but she saw from her perspective looking down and and she described it in great detail.

Well, they got a ladder they went up there sure enough on the top of the blade. Nobody could see from the room. Here's a sticker just as she described it.

I don't think any of us truly appreciate how much this happens how much people's souls leave their body and float up above the Activity that's taking place below them and they observe what's taking place from above.

There are all kinds of stories like this, you know. Uh real quick. Here's one more story from a great book that collects ndes and provides source citations for each. The book is called the self does not die.

It's it's the subtitle is interesting verified paranormal phenomenon from near-death experiences. Okay, these are not christians the authors as far as I can tell. Okay. Now look at this. Although jacques was declared clinically dead without breathing pulse or blood pressure.

He described a softly spoken phone conversation. In the nurse's station that took place in a closed room more than 65 feet from his room. Okay, let me stop here so for context this is the story of jacques baranowski.

Who was killed in a car accident when a bus basically smashed into his small car? And ended the lives of everyone in the car his girlfriend. His best friend his best friend's brother all passed away. This was back in 1981.

I think his girlfriend was pregnant too. I mean, this is a tragic story and jacques at the time, uh was Carried out of the wreckage taken to the hospital, but he apparently had multiple Ndes near-death experiences.

One of them was in the hospital after jacques went into cardiac arrest and the surgeon on duty Pronounced him dead. And then the surgeon asked the nurse to call his family and the nurse would later confirm.

She walked all the way to the nurse's station, which was 65 feet down the hall from jacques hospital room. And shut the door behind her. So this is a closed door and here's what happened next jacques was in bed.

Watched at all times by the nurse's aide. He reported that during his nde he hovered in the closed room at the nurse's station on awakening. Jacques immediately reported to the nurse's aide what was happening in the closed room 65 feet away.

While nurse danielle was still on the phone with his biological mother. When danielle arrived in his room. He then repeated to her word for word both sides of the telephone conversation between her and his biological mother.

Now what's significant about this part of the story is that jacques was estranged from his biological mother. And he was actually he when he entered back into his body. He was angry that the nurse had contacted her.

So and he was calling out to the nurse stop talking to my biological mother, right? Look, this book is very helpful because it will give you all of the source citations. It will show you verified third-party corroboration of nde accounts where people have talked about things They would have never known about.

And the best explanation for this is at the end your soul leaves your body. And you are still conscious when it happens. That's what strobel's talking about here in this video.

That's the kind of corroboration i'm looking for. Um, there was a little girl named katie. I think she was nine years old. She drowned in a ymca swimming pool her brain had swollen she had no respiration no heartbeat and so forth.

They take her to the hospital. She goes to the emergency room. They're keeping her body alive. She's basically dead, but they they're trying to what are they going to do? They don't know yet. Let's keep her going.

She says later. I was conscious the whole time and I met jesus during this experience and the doctors are skeptical. Yeah, yeah, of course you did. Um, tell you what here's a crayon and a piece of paper.

Why don't you draw for us the emergency room that we took you to when you were dead? So she draws it just as it appears. But then she said by the way when my parents came to visit me in the hospital, I followed them home.

And she described what her mother made for dinner chicken and rice. She described where her father was sitting and what he was doing. She described how her brother went into his room as playing with a gio joe jeep and a gi joe doll.

Um, she described what they were wearing and it all checked out. What do you do?

This is what I mean you know. Nde's open the door to the unexplained. It's one thing if somebody claims something that cannot be corroborated by third parties, but when they are corroborated. And by people who are you know, typically skeptics themselves.

Look, I don't know about you. But you know, I don't know a whole lot of doctors and nurses who are christian. You know what? I mean? Uh, and I met a lot. I used to work at a hospital. Uh, and that's unfortunate.

You know what I mean? Certainly not doctors for some reason. They're just not Christians, you know. And yet. There is a whole category here that must be explained. Evidence that demands a verdict. Where's sean mcdowell when you need him?

Right with that that tells me that when the bible talks about the fact that when we die our spirit separates from our body. To be absent from the body to be present with the lord. Our spirit separates from our body and that certainly establishes I think beyond a reasonable doubt that at least for some period of time when a person is clinically dead They're still conscious.

They're still alive, you know, that doesn't surprise me at all even from the standpoint of natural philosophy.

Because.

You know, we're hylomorphic creatures body and soul joined together. That's right I totally totally buy that but one of my main men saint thomas aquinas a following aristotle has uh, I think a pretty Simply laid out explanation of why the intellect can't be part of your body.

We have this idea in modernity that everything's material and so what I think of as my intellect is just my brain neurons neurons firing off but but aquinas says well that that can't be the case because the uh, A substance needs to uh needs to be cannot receive forms that are sort of beyond it.

Yeah, so like the eye Without the confusing aristotelian language. Yeah, the eye receives what receives color? Yeah, the eye can't receive smells the eye can't receive, you know textures receives color.

What does the intellect receive the intellect receives not only? Not material things but immaterial. Yes abstract ideas. That's right. And so it is not possible for the intellect as a body to receive that which is not material.

Therefore the intellect is not material.

Um knolls went really fast over that.

Um.

But I think he's on to it, you know, uh Aquinas was an interesting character. I actually need to read more aquinas. So aquinas taught that everything has a form in other words. Everything has its organizing principle.

And for humans, that's the soul the soul gives life to the body. Um when the soul is in the body, the body is enlivened and moves and lives and breathes because it has its form. But conversely the when the soul leaves the body the body is finished.

It's uh done if you catch my drift, I hate the youtube rules. You know what? I mean? Like the the body breaks down and decomposes. I don't want to get too gross. But aquinas would also say that our intellect does something.

No body part can do. It grasps immaterial universals. This is what knolls was talking about. Receiving, you know, these are abstractions and ideas that these things have no physical substance. You can't trip on them out on the way out the door, you know, uh, these are things like justice or equality or love, um I mean to to simply ask what love as a concept means.

Is to engage with the immaterial universal, right? And that's why the mind cannot just be the brain. It's because aquinas says you need a soul to grasp or receive these types of universal ideas about the world that god has made.

But once you realize yeah, you have a soul well then hey. Now you need to come to grips with where it came from and what it truly is for right? Now we're starting to talk about what the bible teaches.

And I understand that because we just don't even think in that way anymore. They're gonna be people who hear that and say well, I don't i'm not totally persuaded. Yeah, but that is really sound reasoning and we've known it for all of history.

It's very true for my book. Uh seeing the supernatural I interviewed, uh, dr. Sharon derricks. Yeah, the phd from cambridge university in neuroscience. So she knows what she's talking about. And she said here's a little mind experiment.

Because a lot of scientists will say you're just your brain just as you said. You're just a physical brain and she says here's why we know it isn't first of all near-death experiences. If just one of those is true that shows yeah, but she said here's a mind experiment.

Pretend there's a woman named mary and she is a world's leading expert on vision. Yeah. She understands how the eye works. She understands how the optic nerve carries impulses to the brain. She understands how the brain processes visions and so she gets it.

She understands the process, but she's blind. What if one day she received her sight? Would she learn anything new on that day? Yeah, I think she would that shows that the physical brain cannot account for the first person experience.

Of consciousness that are that we have a separate conscious or spirit or soul that is distinct from our brain. But interacts with our brains. Yes, and um, I thought that was an interesting thought because of course she would of course.

She would have new information because that first person experience is what consciousness provides. So so then.

I love it. I love it. If your mind is spinning at the moment, that's okay. That's how we all feel, uh the first time that we engage these types of arguments, you know. What what strobel is talking about is actually a famous thought experiment.

Um. That illustrates the point very nicely, by the way. I don't know if this is coming across but there was a time back in the day When I was studying theology that I was thoroughly fascinated with the mind-body problem.

Um.

With epistemology with basically anything to do with like this branch of philosophy altogether, you know.

And.

What strobel points out is 100 correct. I think it's jp morland who pointed out that if materialism is true Then there is no such thing as a supernatural realm, right?

Okay.

Everything is matter and molecules, right? But then wait a second. It must follow. That everything true of the brain its properties its states all of that are also true of the mind. If all there is is matter.

Then it must be that everything that is true of the brain is true of the mind and vice versa. Okay. Uh, but wait a second if we can find one thing true about the mind and not the brain or vice versa. Then the mind is not the brain.

Does that make sense? Then that means that they're not the same thing and this is what strobel is pointing out you can take the greatest expert on Hearing so this is how I was taught the thought experiment.

You can take the world's leading scientist on hearing. And this person was finally able to know every single fact about the physics the chemistry. How the human body works consequently the brain works with regard to hearing let's say that scientist was deaf.

And one day they began to hear for the very first time. That scientist would learn some brand new facts that they didn't know before and that's what it is like to hear. They already knew everything there is to know about the physical act of hearing.

Including the brain states and everything associated with that, but the new facts they would learn would not be physical facts. They would be mental facts. These would be subjective right the subjective experience of what it is like to hear or to see or to taste to touch or whatever.

That's an example of a conscious state that is different from your brain states. Therefore your mind is not your brain. Isn't that fascinating? You know I do. I love this, you know, it's a great video.

And it wasn't too long because because here's what I the takeaway is for you, right? Here's the punch line atheists and skeptics who claim that the only thing that exists Is the material matter and molecules, right?

The mind is the brain law of identity all of that. What is their explanation for these pieces of evidence. Because let's face it there is a list of third-party corroborated ndes out there. That are well documented and studied not by christians.

Now some are christians. Okay, gary habermas has done work on this. I think jp morland has done work on this as well. Uh, I think they wrote a book called beyond death's door. I think I have that over there.

Um, so don't hear what i'm not saying christians are involved in some of this. But it's not just christians who are recognizing that there is more to us than mere flesh. We have souls. And that is the best explanation for these kinds of ndes you know in terms of scripture, um.

Well.

Take a look at this Ecclesiastes chapter 12 verse 1. Remember also your creator in the days of your youth before the evil days come. And the years draw near so in other words remember god before you get old.

You know before the aging process starts to take over right? That's what that's what it means for the evil days to come and the author Goes on to paint a picture of this aging process. And finally he says verse 7.

And the dust returns to the earth as it was and the spirit returns to god who gave it. Okay, so clearly we have a picture of a man as both body and soul, right? Fast forward to jesus and he says something dire but also affirms the biblical view here, right?

Matthew 10 28. And do not fear those who kill the body, but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

All right.

The bible is clear about this. You are more than your body. You are a soul. And it began with god breathing onto the dust and animating the first man back in genesis, okay, this is who we are. And the sooner we can truly appreciate that The easier it is for us to understand what we're supposed to do here on this planet.

Amen.

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