God's Heart in Church Discipline — Aaron Hurst

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Who needs a sermon after that? It would be very easy for me to just lay this message aside and pick up on the one that has already been given. But I do believe it's a worthy, necessary subject that we look at.

God's Heart in Church Discipline

And I want to say, as I give this title, God's Heart in Church Discipline, I want to say that I sure don't profess to know all of God's heart or be able to contain that or share that. But I desire by God's grace to share a message on God's heart in church discipline.

And I recognize this morning that this is a subject that is sensitive, may I say. When you think of church discipline, I don't know what first thoughts enter your mind. Maybe you've had an experience that has been painful.

Maybe you've seen others where it has been painful and it has been an abuse of the subject or the doctrine or a misuse. Maybe you've never really heard about it that much because today we live in a society and in a church age where many because of various reasons, maybe because of abuses or misuses, choose rather to just lay it aside.

Maybe because of fear of addressing it, they decide, we're not going to touch it. We'll just leave it up to God. We're not going to get involved. So there's many reasons, I believe, but I do believe there is a dearth of this practice, scriptural, scripturally done in a way that God has given to us in the scriptures.

And so we want to look into the word of God this morning, see what the Bible has to say. I also would just like to say in the beginning here that it would have been my heart for Brother Denny, Brother Emmanuel to be here this morning.

We're in a busy church. It's a lot of work to be done. Church is to be planted. Message is to be preached to those calls coming from across the nation. Won't you come and help us? And so I rejoice in that, in that way that they're not here, but they're about the Father's business in other places.

But I would have desired for them to be here to be able to bring any balance or correction that is needed. God's heart in church discipline. What is God's heart in church discipline? What is your heart in disciplining fathers?

What is your heart in disciplining? Isn't it love? Isn't it with desire to save? Isn't it with desire for blessing? Jesus Christ gave himself for the church, that he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, that he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing, but that it should be holy and without blemish.

I believe that's God's heart, part of God's heart in church discipline. Jesus is coming back for a glorious church, for a glorious bride, without spot, without wrinkle or any such thing. Paul told the Corinthians, I am jealous over you with a godly jealousy, for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

A chaste virgin. Revelation tells us, let us be glad and rejoice and give honor to him, for the marriage of the Lamb is come and his wife has made herself ready. A glorious church, a prepared bride, a chaste virgin, not one who is committing adultery with the world, not one who is two-timing and playing around, but one who is a chaste virgin.

Elders, Humility, and Shepherding the Flock

1 Peter chapter 5, if you'll turn there with me, we'll look at some scriptures this morning, laying some foundation here. 1 Peter chapter 5, beginning in verse 1. The elders which are among you I exhort, who am also an elder and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that shall be revealed.

Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly, not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind. Neither as being lords over God's heritage, but being in samples to the flock.

And when the chief shepherd shall appear, ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away. Likewise, ye younger, submit yourselves unto the elder. Yea, all of you be subject one to another, and be closed with humility, for God resisteth the proud and giveth grace to the humble.

Humble yourselves therefore unto the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time, casting all your care upon him, for he careth for you. I begin this message on this note that the elders, he says, I exhort.

I exhort you elders to feed the flock of God. And that word exhort is a pretty strong word. It's a word of a warning. It's an admonition. I warn you, I counsel you to feed the flock of God, to tend, to nurture, to guide the flock of God.

Not being as lords over God's heritage, not domineering, not dictatorial in your leadership or overbearing. But being examples to the flock. So this message, first of all, speaks to my own heart, speaks to us as elders here in the congregation.

To nurture the flock of God, to feed, and to be examples, and not to be domineering or arrogant or dictatorial and overbearing persons. Then he says, likewise ye younger, submit yourselves unto the elder.

Be subject to the elders. Be subject to your ministers and spiritual guides. Submit yourself. Give them due respect, yielding to their counsel. Yea, all of you be subject one to another, and be clothed with humility.

Oh, I like that. Ye elders, be clothed with humility. All of you. It doesn't exempt the elders. Yea, be clothed with humility. Take it as a garment and gird it on. Apron yourself with humility. Take it fast to yourself and hold it fast that it cannot possibly be stripped away from you.

Be free from pride. And arrogance toward one another. For God resists the proud. But he giveth grace to the humble. God's heart in church discipline. You know, in a family, where there is loving, nurturing, tending, feeding, instructing, guiding, shepherding.

Takes less discipline, doesn't it? Takes less time to pull out the rod of discipline. I believe that's God's heart for us. In the body of Christ. That there be such a love. And such a care one for another.

And such a humility. That the body is growing. In grace. And in unity. In oneness. In holiness. That the need for discipline. Yes, it will. It will happen. From time to time. It does happen. But that when it does arise.

It's not because of elders who are lording it over the flock. It's not because that the body is not being cared for. Or ministered to. Or fed. But I have to say, unless God feed us. We elders are going to fail you at times.

It's not our heart to fail you. It's not our heart not to feed you and tend to the flock. But oh, when we fail. If there's that love. And that humility and grace abiding in our hearts. We can communicate one with another.

And we can have an understanding. And we can build one another up and go on. That it doesn't have to come to a matter of discipline. God's heart in church discipline. You know, if neglected. If refusing to look at it when it is needed.

It will have a devastating effect upon the body of Christ. In Corinthians it tells us, your glory is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump. Therefore purge out the old leaven that you may be a new lump as ye are unleavened.

For even Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us. In Ecclesiastes 8 .11 it tells us. Because sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily. Therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil.

In Isaiah 26 .10 it tells us. Let favor be showed to the wicked. Yet will he not learn righteousness. In the land of uprightness will he deal unjustly. And will not behold the majesty of the Lord. You know, these are serious words.

If we neglect or refuse to look at the scriptural teaching. And doctrine that is clearly taught of church discipline. We will suffer for it. In Revelation it tells us. Unto the angel of the church of Pergamos write.

Sin in the Camp and the Purity of the Church

These things saith he which hath the sharp two-edged sword. I know thy works and where thou dwellest. Even where Satan's seed is. Thou holdest fast my name and hast not denied my faith. Even in those days where Antipas was my faithful martyr.

And was slain among you where Satan dwelleth. But I have a few things against thee. Because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam. Who taught Balak to cast a stumbling block before the children of Israel.

And to eat things sacrificed unto idols. And to commit fornication. So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans. Which thing I hate. Repent or else I will come unto thee quickly. And will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.

The church of Pergamos. He says I have a few things against thee. Because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam. Who cast a stumbling block before the children of Israel. They are there in the church.

They cast a stumbling block. They cause people to sacrifice things to idols. And to commit fornication. And you have also them there that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans. Which thing I hate. He says repent.

Is that why the church may be so powerless today? Because there is sin in the camp. There is leaven in the body. And it will not just stay small. A little leaven will begin to ferment and grow. Till finally it can become into a monster.

Which robs the church of its power. Of its spiritual authority. Of its place of blessing and grace before the Lord. And the church becomes lukewarm. And anemic. And backslidden. And is no longer a city set on a hill.

No longer. A glorious beautiful church. But now you can't tell the church from the world. Where is the church? And the world says where is your God? And so the church is sending the people. With needs.

To the psych wards. And to the. Mental institutions and to. All kinds of places for help. Is there ever a place for those things? You know there may be. I don't want to make any strong all inclusive statements here this morning.

Someone is deranged and. Giving themselves over the devil so far. Maybe there is a place that they should. I don't know. But where is the power of God? Where prayers want to be made and intercession and fastings.

That the devil could be cast out. And the man could be restored and be in his right mind. But that's too hard. Let's just dial 911 and put him in the lock up. So they won't hurt themselves. And I don't want to speak in such a way that would condemn anyone this morning.

Please. I am so grateful for God's mercy and God's power. And God's grace. But I do have to question this whole area of. Sin in the camp. Wasn't it when there was sin in the camp of Israel. That they had to turn their backs and flee from their enemies.

Wasn't it when just one Achan took that spoil of that Babylonish garment and that wedge and put it under his tent. And all of Israel was powerless. If neglected to deal with it. When there is sin in the camp.

It will spread like a cancer. And like a leaven in the body. It's an awful thing. I'd like to look a little bit at the purpose for church discipline. We've already alluded to it. But if you'll turn with me to 1 Corinthians 5.

The Redemptive Purpose of Church Discipline

In 1 Corinthians 5. We know the account there of sin in the body. And he says in verse 2. You are puffed up. Have not mourned. That he that has done this deed might be taken away from among you. For I am verily absent in body but present in spirit have judged already.

As though I were present concerning him that has so done this deed. In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ when you are gathered together. And my spirit and with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ. To deliver such and one unto Satan.

For the destruction of the flesh. That the spirit may be saved. In the day. Of the Lord Jesus. You know the purpose for church discipline. In this case. We're talking excommunication here in 1 Corinthians 5.

The purpose. Is redemptive. The purpose is redemptive. He says to deliver such and one to Satan. For the destruction of the flesh. That the spirit may be saved. Discipline that is needed in the body of.

God's church. Should be entered into with this. In the forefront and in the hearts. Beating within the heart of the body. When discipline is exercised. When there is excommunication. That the spirit. May be saved.

We need to be spiritual about this because our natural love. It's hard for us to do this. This is not easy. We must walk in the spirit. We must be spiritual. As we. Seek God. To do it God's way. Not our way.

Not man's way. Because when it's done man's way. It will not yield. The right fruit. It won't come out right. And we'll talk more about that later. But the purpose for church discipline. Is redemptive.

That the soul may be saved. Oh glory. See maybe that would help us. When we can get God's perspective. Because the carnal man looks at it and says. This is too hard. This is not right. You know this will just drive him further away.

But God says. It will equal to their salvation. It may. It may. But if left in the body. Then what? God's purpose for church discipline. Is for the purity in the body. As we shared already. This little leaven.

Just leavens the whole lump. So he says purge it out. Purge out that leaven. That old leaven. In 1st Timothy it speaks concerning. Rebuking those that sin. And I believe it's in context of elders. Be very careful not to take anything out of context this morning.

In 1st Timothy 5 .19 he says. Against an elder received not an accusation. But before two or three witnesses. And then that sin rebuked before all. That others may fear. I believe when church discipline.

Is done in God's way. It will yield God's. Promised. Results. I'd like you to turn over to Deuteronomy 13. For a scripture there. Deuteronomy 13. Beginning in verse 1. This is no little matter with God.

It never has been. A small matter with God. In Deuteronomy 13. Beginning in verse 1. We'll read number of verses here. Verse 1 through 11. If there arise among you a prophet. Or a dreamer of dreams. And give us the sign or wonder.

And the sign or wonder come to pass. Whereof he spake. Unto thee saying let us go after other gods. Which thou has not known. And let us serve them. Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet.

Or that dreamer of dreams. For the Lord your God prove with you. To know whether ye love the Lord. Your God. With all your heart. And with all your soul. Ye shall walk after the Lord your God. And fear him.

And keep his commandments. And obey his voice. And ye shall serve him. And cleave unto him. And that prophet. Or that dreamer of dreams. Shall be put to death. Because he has spoken to turn you away. From the Lord your God.

Which brought you out of the land of Egypt. Out of the house of bondage. To thrust thee out of the way. Which the Lord thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put away evil from the midst of thee.

If thy brother. The son of thy mother. Or thy son or thy daughter. Or the wife of thy bosom. Or thy friend. Which is as thine own soul. Entice thee secretly saying. Let us go and serve other gods. Which thou has not known.

Thou nor thy fathers. Namely the gods of the people. Which are round about you. Nigh unto thee. Or far off from thee. From the one end of the earth. Even unto the other end of the earth. Thou shalt not consent unto him.

Nor hearken unto him. Neither shall thine eye pity him. Neither shalt thou spare. Neither shalt thou conceal him. But thou shalt surely kill him. Thine hand shall be first. Upon him to put him to death.

And afterwards. The hand of all the people. Thou shalt stone him with stones. That he die. Because he has sought to thrust thee. Away from the Lord thy God. Which brought thee out of the land of Egypt.

And from the house of bondage. And all Israel shall hear. And fear. And shall do no more. Any such wickedness as this. Among you. You know those are strong words. In the Old Testament. God dealt with.

Sin in the camp. Sin. In Israel. Deceivers. Enticers to do evil. He said it doesn't matter. How good a friend they are. It doesn't matter how close of kin they are. You cannot play with sin. You cannot tolerate sin.

If it be a spouse. If it be a brother. If it be a friend. That entice thee secretly. Say let's go serve other gods. The gods of the people that are around you. Let's go serve them. Let's go have a little fun.

We're just young.

Live it up. Sow your wild oats. Just across the way here. Or let's take off and go to the west coast. Near or far.

Let's just cast off restraint and go to Florida. God said. Thou shalt not consent unto him. Nor hearken unto him. Neither shall thine eye pity him. There's that natural. Human. Love. Response. Neither shalt thou spare.

Neither shalt thou conceal him. Has anyone enticed you to do evil? Has anyone enticed you to just come over here? Get out from under authority. Get away from mom and dad. Get away from the preachers. Thou shalt not conceal him.

Don't become a partaker of another man's sins. I'm so thankful we don't live under the old covenant. I'm not sure I'd be here. Probably be stoned by now. But you know. God's heart. Hates. Sin. Every bit as much as he did.

When these words were given to Israel. But today it's different. We're not going to pick up stones. It'd be wrong. It has been said. An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. But I say unto you. Sayeth Jesus.

I can't help but think of this New Testament example though. After the Holy Ghost was come. And the church was filled with grace and power. And people were being added to the church. And the church was growing.

And there was great joy and fellowship and blessing. And in the midst of all of that. In steps Ananias and Sapphira. And they lied. They lied in their hearts. And with pretense. Made it look like. They're bringing all their money that they got from their property sale.

And giving it and laying it at the apostles feet. The Bible doesn't even tell us that they said that. But they inferred that. But Peter said to Ananias. What has happened in your heart? Why have you done this thing in your heart?

You have not lied to men. But you have lied to God. You have lied to the Holy Ghost. And we know what happened. Ananias. Fell down dead. That's this side of the cross. That's this side of the outpouring of Pentecost and the Holy Ghost.

My. They wound up Ananias. Carried him out and buried him. And when they were coming back from the burial. Here comes his wife. She didn't know a thing about it. You talk about zealousness to deal with a deceitful heart.

Sapphira. Just a minute. Sapphira. Have you sold the land for so much? She was at the crossroads. I don't believe she knew it. But right there she was brought face to face with. Will I be honest before God?

Or will I be a liar? And she said. Yay for so much. They said. Those that buried your husband are at the door. They're going to carry you out also. And she fell down and died. You know. It's a very serious matter.

God doesn't judge every situation like that. I'm not sure. Why that was. But I believe it was. Partly. Due to the fact that the church was just so. Fresh and young and pure. And God wanted to give a clear example.

Of his. Holiness. Of his. Severity. Of dealing with sin. I mean it was. That was an awesome thing. It says great fear fell on the people. People even were afraid to join themselves to this church. Because it was so powerfully alive.

And the spirit of revelation was so present. You don't go to that church if you've got sin in your life. Wow. Great fear came upon them. You know I believe in a measure. When church discipline is done.

According to the spirit of God. And it's done in a right way. It brings a fear. Upon the rest of the people in the congregation. And it causes a trembling. God is judging that individual. And it causes others to fear.

Then that sin rebuked before all. That others may fear. The seriousness. And the severity. Of which God deals with this. Matter of sin. And how we ought to see it. In 1 Corinthians 3 .16 -17 says. Know ye not that ye are the temple of God.

And that the spirit of God dwelleth in you. If any man defile the temple of God. Him shall God destroy. For the temple of God is holy. Which temple ye are. If any man defile the temple of God. Him shall God destroy.

Discernment, Restoration, and Amputation

You know as we look at this matter. Of church discipline. I want us to consider these scriptures in Matthew 5. I'd like for you to turn there. Turn to Matthew chapter 5. And verse 29. And we should read verse 27 on to get the context.

He hath heard that it was said by them of old time. Thou shalt not commit adultery. But I say unto you that whosoever looketh. On a woman to lust after her. Hath committed adultery with her. Already in his heart.

And if thy right eye offend thee. Pluck it out and cast it from thee. For it is profitable for thee. That one of thy members should perish. And that not thy whole body. Should be cast into hell. And if thy right hand offend thee.

Cut it off and cast it from thee. For it is profitable for thee. That one of thy members should perish. And that not thy whole body. Should be cast into hell. I think we all are very. Familiar with. God describing the body, the church, the local church as a body, in 1 Corinthians 12 there, where we are looked at as a body, and having members in the body in different parts.

And there He says it's like a hand, it's like a foot, it's like an eye. And as I thought of this scripture, I thought, you know, let's just take our human body. Here He says that if your eye offend thee, pluck it out, for it's better for one of thy members to perish than thy whole body to be cast into hell and to perish.

If we look at that in light of the body of Christ and the church body, it seems like we're not stretching things too hard here to make an application, that if there is a hand or a foot or an eye that is in the body that is sitting and that is going to have an influence of sin upon the whole body, that it would be better for that eye or that hand or that foot to be cut off.

Which in 1 Corinthians, which we'll look at in a little bit, tells us to put away, to put out from among you that member of the body. I'd like to use this illustration this morning. So we look at our body, we look at our hands, we look at our feet, our eyes.

And so if my hand has been hurt and wounded and it's beginning to fester and be infected, what will we do? Will we go to the doctor and say, cut it off, it's bothering me. Or will we say, doctor, please, what can you do to heal my hand?

Amen? So if a member of the body is wounded, is hurting, is weak, and is in need of help and healing and deliverance, we don't just say, now that member is causing some problem to the body here,.

Let's just lop it off, cut it off. No.

No, that's not our heart. If there is a wounded, weak, hurting member, what can we do to heal it? But let's carry that a little farther. So, you are diagnosed with a severe case of diabetes, and that foot is turning blue and purple.

And you've been to the doctor, and he's been working on that foot. And finally the doctor says, my friend, I have some grave news for you. We must amputate that foot or it's going to take your life. Then what do you say?

Yes, doctor, please remove that foot and spare my life. May that be our heart as a body, that we're not so quick to look for the tools of amputation. And let's just amputate that thing. Let's just get it out of here.

No, we need that hand, because you know what? The rest of your life, you're going to be without a foot. Once they amputate it, sure you can get a wooden leg. It's not the same, is it? You know, so really, when there is reckless, careless amputation and excommunications, the body will suffer for it.

Amen? We'll be lame, we'll be walking around with a wooden leg. No feeling in it. Falling down. I couldn't feel it, I couldn't tell. I couldn't see that it was rough there and uneven. But you know what on the other side of the thing?

If you let that gangrene infested foot there, it's going to keep coming on up the leg, farther and farther, and if nothing is done, the whole body is going to die. And I say this very carefully, but it's their bodies that have died.

But they yet have a profession that they live. They yet look like they live. They are yet walking around on their wooden legs, but there's no power there. Oh Lord, have mercy upon us, that we do not neglect or abuse.

Let me read one more verse to you here. It says in Matthew 18, Woe unto the world because of offenses, for it must needs be that offenses come, but woe to that man by whom the offense cometh. Wherefore, if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off and cast them from thee.

It is better for thee to enter into life, halt or maim, rather than having two hands and two feet to be cast into everlasting fire. If thy eye offend thee, pluck it out and cast it from thee, for it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.

You know, this is no game. This is serious business. Let's look now very quickly at steps to be taken before church discipline. Steps to be taken before church discipline. Brethren, Galatians 6 verse 1.

Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, and that definition of a fault is misconduct or sin of any sort. If a man be overtaken in sin or misconduct of any sort, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness, considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.

Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ. So, in a healthy body, if there is a member that is wounded and hurting, the other member will come to its aid. The other members will come to the aid of the one that is wounded and hurting.

The one that has missed the mark. The one who has fallen. He says, brethren, ye that are spiritual. Are you spiritual? Are you responsive to and controlled by the Holy Spirit? Oh, if you see your brother be overtaken in a fault, ye that are spiritual, restore such an one.

Oh, glory, restore him. It never has to come to a matter of church discipline, and everybody know about it. Brethren and sisters, let's be spiritual about these things. You see a brother or a sister overtaken in a fault, ye that are spiritual, restore such an one.

Bring them back, and restore them into right relationship and fellowship with God,.

And once again they have an open heaven,.

And life is free and pure and holy, and a blessing and a joy. You know? But remember, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness, without any sense of superiority or I'm better than thou, and look down your nose at them.

How could they ever get caught in such a sin? You know, when you look narrowly at them and accusing, that won't work. Won't work. Ye that are spiritual, ye that are clothed, aproned with humility and grace and spiritual blessings, you come alongside.

But for the grace of God, there go I. It could be me. And so we come alongside, and restore such an one in the spirit of meekness and gentleness. Bear ye one another's burdens. Endure, carry one another's burdens.

Matthew 18 and the Process of Private Admonition

Bear along with steps to be taken before church discipline. I believe we need to be spiritual. We need to be filled with the spirit that we can do these things. Turn over to Matthew 18. This is a bit along a different line.

I acknowledge that. But we do want to look at it. Matthew 18. It applies to us. It applies to this subject. Matthew 18, verse 15. Moreover, if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone.

If he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more. That in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church.

But if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as a heathen man, and a publican. Now I know that the context here is speaking of a trespass or a sin from one brother against another brother, or a sister against a sister, or in the family of God.

But I do believe that this is a very important one that we understand and look at and practice among us. If thy brother trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone. Doesn't need much expounding, does it?

It's simple plain English. It's not necessary to go tell another brother. Is it? No, actually it's wrong to go tell another brother. If thy brother trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault. Tell him what he did.

He may not even realize it. He may not even know. Maybe I was too sensitive and I got too easily hurt. Because I wasn't walking in the Spirit like I should have been, and so I took offense and I didn't like that very good.

That hurt. He trespassed against me. So I'm just going to tell my best trusted friend about it. No. No. Unless it's Jesus. Yes. Tell your best trusted friend. Jesus. Jesus. Should I be hurt about this?

I mean, is this something I need to go talk to my brother about? Or should I throw it in the cornfield? As we say sometimes, you know? Just, ah, they didn't mean it that way. It wasn't intentional. Just forgiven.

But, you know, if you can't do that, God has an answer. If it just keeps bothering me and I just can't get over it, okay, go talk to your brother. Between thee and him alone. You know, it's so simple.

How many struggles and problems would that avoid or cure in a church if we would follow just this one? It never happened. Because, it was just done between thee and him alone and you're restored and everything is clear and we're going on with God.

See, now that other person doesn't have to look at him too and say, hmm, can't believe he did that. To him. Or said that. See how it multiplies? You know? Did you hear what he said? Did you know what she actually did?

Well, I find that hard to believe but must be true. Got it straight from her. Hey. One of the devil's tools to tear down and destroy churches is gossip. Oh, if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.

Glory. But if he will not hear thee, hey, now, now we can let her loose. Let's call this person and that person and Oh, no. No. I'm gonna just bring it up as a prayer request. When there's ten other people present.

Oh, no. No, you're not. If you're spiritual, you're not. Now, you take with thee one or two more. That's all. That's all the permission that's given here. One or two more and go tell him his fault between thee.

I'm sorry. One or two more. That in the mouth of two or three witnesses, every word may be established. And this is really important. It'll avoid. It'll avoid misunderstandings. It'll avoid assuming things.

And building upon. You know, just sort of figuring out, you know, filling in the blanks in the story. All that sort of stuff. Reading between the lines they say sometimes, you know. Well, I could just tell by the way they said it or whatever.

You know, there's a lot more underneath there than what they said. All that stuff. No, no. Let's be men. Let's be mature. Let's get it out on the table between two or three. And let every word be established.

Let it be clear. And I believe it's very important that you take with you unbiased people. Don't take somebody who would be biased. And see, the bias won't be there if you've never talked about it. If the thing has already gotten rolling a bit, now who's not biased?