HB25-1312 in Colorado, Debating Wolfe, Purgatory, Marian Dogmas

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I'm gonna be able to do today. Hi, welcome to the program We're trying to Look at all the little children out there.

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Hi I already did over an hour talking about the papacy and So I'm tired and so the mines not working too well, but neither is the tech anyway.

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I Listened to this it's two minutes long I'm not gonna bother dragging it over here and trying to get it work because it probably wouldn't work anyways

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But I'm not gonna bother trying to do that But I do want you to hear this. This is Jay Chase Davis up in Colorado.

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We need to be praying Ah Again and if you've got an insight here if you've got an in here

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I've been going to Colorado every summer since 2011 Except for 2020 obviously and Climbing the high mountains and enjoying myself just One most beautiful places around I won't be able to climb

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Mount Evans this year because It's closed. But other than that,

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I Still intend on being up there. I have a race on August 2nd.

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I'll set a race to ride for me It's a can you do this? Can you survive this? You've done it twice before it wasn't difficult then but you're you're not where you used to be anyway,

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I Want to debate a Person Representing HB 25 13 12 in Colorado it may have already passed by that.

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It may be law by them fine. I Want to debate a person

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Who claims to be a Christian that would be the most obvious way of doing it, but if not otherwise fine

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Formal debate in state of Colorado I know that's highly unlikely.

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I Know that they know they have the media so why would they expose themselves that kind of thing, but I Just have a feeling there's probably people

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Who really believe this stuff? They are so deceived. They really believe that's a good thing to punish people

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For recognizing history. Let me give you an example. I didn't talk about this. I was going to I Had a worldview argument with Grock a few weeks ago.

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I forget how it came up I think it did have to do with Colorado bill. Yeah, it did and I just sort of threw a question out and I went back and forth with Grock for quite a while and he basically capitulated

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But the way I did it is I said I said to Grock I said, okay Because he was sort of given sort of a wishy -washy

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You know transgender people Experience life in certain ways blah blah blah blah blah thing and I said, okay, let me ask you a question who won the men's decathlon in the 1976

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Olympic Games Don't what do you mean?

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Yeah, so I asked who won and his response was Caitlyn Jenner Of Competing as a male and I'm like that is incorrect

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So I pushed him on it I said, okay, let me let me ask you a question

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I Graduated From high school in 1981 and I gave the valedictorian speech at my high school

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In 1981, I gave a testimony of my faith in Christ I said Does the person who existed in 1981 still exists today and He's like well, of course

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I said it are my genetics The same today. Well, of course I said, okay the person who won the gold medal at The 1976

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Olympic Games in the men's decathlon Setting a record in the process was named

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Bruce Jenner Does the human being with those genetics?

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still exists today well, yes, and Does the fact that that person has changed his name

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Change the fact that he won the men's competition or should he have to give the gold medal back and compete with the ladies and Grock was like and then

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I said and If you answer the way you answered before How can you ever make any comments in the future about historical continuity?

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He capitulated Oh Okay, I gotta know what it said I could actually go back

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I'm picturing the bot You know, no, he said no that the bot said you are correct that It's the same individual

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That won the Olympics exists today it was Bruce Jenner and if we if we if we believe we can have historical continuity then

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Just like you gave the the speech in 1981 right you still exist today

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Then I have to admit that that is that that and And I forget what it was.

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I forget What the conclusion was but I basically said to him said to it

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Use the male voice when we talk on the phone. So Basically said

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It seems that to have Historical meaningful continuity requires a divine transcendent reality

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Wow, what an answer Now because it's true. I was a little confused by the initial response because even

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Not that I'm an expert on these things but even the deadnaming rules, whatever they are

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I Thought when you're referring to him back then it's

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Bruce and if you're referring to him today It's Caitlin her yeah, right.

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Yeah, I don't know So it apparently somebody didn't tell Grock all the details of the hard Human race insanity that we're currently undergoing.

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Yeah. Yeah, it's it. Yeah, it's pretty amazing Anyway deadnaming is in this bill.

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It gives the state the power to take your children away from if you do not Unless you abdicate your parental responsibilities because to all of the leftist ethical pygmies

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In the legislature in Colorado, you need to understand something Real parents

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Teach their children and Give examples to their children of what it means to be a male and a female a daddy and a mommy

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Okay, that's what we're supposed to do. And when our three -year -old Starts pretending that they're a bird and they want to get on the roof to jump off.

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We don't let them do it Okay, so it is ethical pygmy ism

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To say but if they decide they're a girl I'll put them on puberty blockers It will destroy their body forever and make them a slave of big pharma for their much much much shortened life

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Yeah, that's yeah, so anyway Jay Chase Davis got to testify from what

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I was told we'd had people I had some dear friends from Colorado and They were at the hearings and they said that the legislature clearly

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Favors the other side they let them speak much longer many more of them spoke all the rest this kind of stuff

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That's to be expected from these individuals Jeff Durbin testified up in Colorado at like midnight

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In favor of a bill of abolition there and So we know what

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Colorado is about at that point in its legislature Which is sad because that doesn't represent a large portion of its people.

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It's a beautiful state with beautiful people But by the way, Jeff tells the story

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That and this is really interesting keep this in mind because let's say this passes All right, because it looks like it's going to and certainly that reprobate of a governor is going to sign it

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Keep this in mind That's disappointing and it's easy to give up but what happened was

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There were and a Jeff could tell the story better. But my understanding is there were people who watched the recording that we made of the testimony online and We're so convicted by it that they contacted their representatives in Georgia.

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And that's what led To the bill of abolition getting as far as it as it has in Georgia the introduction of and everything else and it was what happened in Colorado where it got shot down immediately so You you have to you have to be in it for the long term

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In this situation and we have some freedom right now How long it's gonna last good question

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But we have some freedom right now. We got to take advantage of it So with that said I want to play Jay Chase Davis's testimony in front of the

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Senate Judiciary Just simply say thanks to him and To go this is the kind of boldness

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Prophetic boldness that needs to be presented

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These these judiciary members Will stand before God someday and I know there are a lot of Christians don't believe that they will be judged for anything

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They did in their official capacity as politicians. I don't know how you get there the

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The Bible tells us that the magistrate has responsibilities before God. That's what the

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Romans 13 thing was all about member during kovat They need to be clearly informed now

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How many of them even listen to what he had to say probably not many but that's not gonna be an excuse is it and If one or two here

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You see again aside from the Spirit of God Opening hearts and minds granting repentance, there's nothing we can do and That's why non reform people and that's why

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I understand about reform people who buy into this stuff Oh, but we need to do this. So we need to do that and Hey When it comes to the truth of God if you have a biblical

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Anthropology, then you understand. What does man do with God's truth? He suppresses it

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That's what Romans 1 says So unless the Spirit of God removes that Through regeneration makes a new creature

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This is what you're gonna have but he uses means and In this case

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J Chase Davis is the means and Let's listen. You got it ready to go here.

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Let's listen to what he had to say local churches and pastors in Colorado I'm a contributing scholar at the

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Center for Baptist leadership a subject matter expert in theological anthropology And a pastor at the well Church in Boulder, Colorado.

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I come to you today in that final office senator winners admission clearly reveals that with the

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Amendments added she still or moved She still intends this bill to operate as a crash couch to pray on young children in Colorado The office of pastor to which

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God has appointed me and the church has commissioned me to preach the gospel Puts on me the responsibility and duty to warn you keepers of the sword of the state of what you face in this critical moment

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You have been put in place by the Most High God to punish the evildoer and reward those who do good

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That is your duty before the Lord. This bill is an offense to God and it is an offense to all mankind

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It aims to destroy the body and the soul instead of fulfilling your duties before the

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Lord and to the citizens of Colorado you seek to reward the evildoer and Punish those who do good you seek to not only pervert people but justice itself turning justice on its head

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Make no mistake. This bill if enacted would criminalize Christianity itself God's Word is our standard and we boldly affirm that God made us male and female

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True love is revealed in his law and on the cross Speaking truth about sin sexual or otherwise is neither unloving or abusive.

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It is what is required of Christians So I exhort you in the strongest possible terms I command those in here who are entertaining such wicked laws rooted not in God's design for men and women

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But in the doctrines of demons to repent Turn to the Lord and plead for mercy and bear fruit in keeping with repentance by opposing this evil bill

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God will not be mocked in his providence and wisdom God will establish justice by seeking to pass this legislation

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You are inviting judgment upon yourselves and upon all who reside in our beautiful state God will not be mocked he who sits in the heavens laughs

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You think you can mock God and pervert justice and escape his power But you will not Jesus is sitting on his throne and each one of you will have to give an account to him for what you decide here today

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Vote no on 1312 Okay. Thank you. We'll go to our witnesses online So local churches and pastors in Colorado stop that stop that Again a lot of people would be like They're not gonna listen to something like that.

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You got to do this. You got to do that they heard what they needed to hear there and Don't tell me they don't already know

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They have consciences they're made in the image of God and Yes, they may be deceived and they may you know have you know gone to Universities where they think what they're doing is good, but their consciences know when you're talking about mutilating little boys and girls this is the culture of death and they're all around us and we pray for Colorado and We pray for the churches in Colorado because what's gonna happen is let's say this passes and in all probability it will and You go it could never happen in my state.

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Well, maybe in Oklahoma, maybe Maybe in Alabama It could happen in this state it could happen in Arizona easily

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I could see it happening here We may have to count the cost

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The churches in Colorado will have to count the cost because if you proclaim

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What scripture teaches on these matters? You will be teaching people that the government of Colorado is in direct rebellion against God and Eventually Eventually Eventually They will start acting just as Canada acted during Kovac They will start acting and they will start arresting people

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It's it's it's gonna come And I said, oh, everything's going great.

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Now the Trump's in office No, it's not No, it's not

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Well Gen Z's trending conservative. What kind of conservative and why?

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If the reason you're trending Conservative is so you can continue to express your sexual rebellion against God and have money and food

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That's not gonna accomplish anything that can even be used against you. So Yeah Don't don't be deceived

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Do not do not be deceived Now the same guy who just testified

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That's what this had just popped up on my screen. That's what I'm doing this. Wow. It's 20 minutes after all anyway um

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Same guy who testified here's what he just tweeted 30 minutes ago Yesterday, I listened to hours of testimony in support of HB 25 31 3 1 2 the bill that would criminalize so -called dead naming and misgendering

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What struck me was how emotion was being weaponized to justify tyranny Speaker after speaker invoked words like dignity respect and love but not in their true sense

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These terms are being twisted used to demand submission to an ideology that compels speech punishes dissent and criminalizes truth -telling

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One advocate even said if you don't want to use the right pronouns then just don't speak

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They wished your tongue to be cut out rather than harm them by speaking the truth Joe Rigney warnings about the misuse of empathy rang loudly in my ears.

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We were not witnessing compassion We were witnessing coercion Masked as compassion some threatened self -harm of society did not comply with their demands an

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Emotional hostage -taking that mirrors the tactics of terrorists and abusers agree with me or else

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These tactics should not be met with sentimentalism They should be met with clarity courage and an open denouncement in the strongest terms.

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Amen, and amen and amen The I I know some of my friends why things really turned around.

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I'm just like I don't see it. I'm sorry. Oh You just need to get with it.

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No, I I'm sorry I do not see people's attitudes on the key issues changing

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Well, we want to get rid of all the illegals. Okay, it was a it was a four year long invasion

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We had traitors in charge of the nation. I get that that's true That is true but What's the motivation of the hearts?

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You know, you know Gia said the abundance of heart the mouth speaks, right? So do you hear in?

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Our dialogue our social die. Well, you know, you got the office of faith.

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Yeah with Paula white Seriously When it comes to an actual

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Christian worldview something that recognizes we are the creatures of God God has his law.

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We need to be in submission to God. We need to pray for God's blessing upon our nation Do you really hear that?

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Yeah, um, no, it's not happening and Gen Z may be trending more politically conservative but that means nothing if there has been no change in the worldview and their understanding of who they are in this world

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Keep that mind. I think it's I think it's important now. Um since the

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Shifting gears since the announcement was made Sunday evening of the debate two weeks from today

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May 15th on Line The Bible dingers

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YouTube page. I will be debating Corey Mahler, can the

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Holy Spirit sanctify blacks To the same extent as whites and again

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I've been hearing the same stuff over and over again. I just did this ridiculous. You're just giving him Exposure and obviously these are not people who are pastors or if they're pastors

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They don't know what's going on their churches or whatever. It might be I'm not gonna relitigate all that stuff

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I I gave More than enough of a defense last time and I didn't hear anybody provide any kind of meaningful rebuttal of that So there's been a lot of that kind of stuff going on and and one things

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Very very clear and and understandable, but very very clear. Most people do not understand What Mahler and the others?

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Dumpworth are teaching They don't realize that for Mahler and he says this

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I saw something where just this morning. I was collecting stuff and he basically said that the protevangelium in Genesis 3 and then the table the nations in Genesis 9 25 to 27 are the two most important prophetic passages in the

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Old Testament That's his hermeneutic that's the lens through which he sees everything else and So you read the

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New Testament and you realize the New Testament authors are not functioning on Mahler's interpretation of Romans 9 never mentioned.

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It's not there But and so you see certain things. He doesn't why because of the hermeneutical methodology is using

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So, how would you respond to that? You'll see how I'll respond to that. But how would you respond to that?

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Well, you know, well, I just hope I never have to Okay, that that's that's understandable how that would work too.

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So anyway but what I'm seeing and it's

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It is frustrating is a bunch of people saying oh

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You'll debate Mahler, but you won't debate wolf right seen it all the time all over the place

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Yeah So yesterday John Harris did this John Harris pulled this off.

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He said if you refuse to dialogue with Stephen Wolf But you'll talk to someone with a cartoon villain reputation.

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I do kind of question your motives. Well, thanks John. I appreciate that Um Now, I don't think

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John is in leadership anywhere I hasn't had to deal with any of this in his church or anything like that.

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Maybe he's just you know Doing this thing. I don't know But let's make this clear again and and Some other some other folks have been they write to the right to wolf

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Well, you'd make James White on you know, what do you want to make James White on and blah blah blah blah blah What has happened over the past I don't know number of months is

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Whenever this comes up I go. What are we supposed to debate? He's a political philosopher

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I'm not He's not an exegete he's not theologian. He's not an apologist. I don't think he reads

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Greek or Hebrew And as far as You know,

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I've never seen him do a debate Who is he debated? So, what does he want to debate?

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He's taken shots at me about sacralism. He mocks the need for the work of the spirit to actually bring about any kind of Christian society and So he he, you know promotes

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Christian princes and sacralism and he mocked sacralism, but he's promoting sacralism, which is why he mocks it

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So, I mean he mocks presuppositional ism.

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He mocks theonomy So look, I Know Jeff Durbin would love to debate

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Stephen Wolfe on theonomy But I don't think Stephen Wolfe will ever debate Jeff on theonomy and I debate him on apologetic methodology.

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I Debate Frank Turek on it. I debate Stephen Wolfe on it. I defend presuppositional.

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In fact, I would defend presuppositional ism as being consistent with for example

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Calvin's Book one of the Institute's you go. Well, yeah, but Calvin wasn't a presuppositional.

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Well Calvin was dealing in a in a Christian society You didn't have secularism at that point in time but the consistent application of the principles that Calvin enunciates in book one would lead you as it led

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Vantil and others To a presuppositional perspective. That's how you have to deal with this

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So I could yeah, I could I could defend that that would be easily done I don't think he's gonna do that He's not an apologist.

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This is not his field he can make Statements about you know where he sets himself up as the authority, but he's not an authority in these things

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So what are we getting? What are we supposed to debate? And so He has suggested

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Would simply having a A large number of Christian people in a society be enough to perform to form a society and I'm like That sounds like a criticism against the post -millennial perspective

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You get 70 80 percent of the people in a society Truly regenerate you get unity in the church.

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But what would that result in? What does Isaiah 42 say? The coastlands seek after your

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Torah after your loss they're looking for God's law that would take you back to the enemy So Maybe a way of doing would be some concrete historical examples,

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I mean, I am the professor of church history at Grace Bible Theological Seminary, so How about The Imprisonment of Fritz Erba by Lutheran authorities and the execution of Miguel Cervedes by Genevan authorities were

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In error, we're wrong or we're a product better We're a proper exercise of a

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Christian Prince Since he's into being a Christian Prince, okay

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How about that now I I'm doing the debate with Mahler online because otherwise it would be 2026 before I could do it

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But I Much prefer in person. I really really do You know,

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I'm looking at a camera here it looks like I'm looking at you but I'm not I'm not even looking at rich which is just a little bit over to the right

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I've learned over the years to recognize little smiles and stuff like that And I'm only looking at the periphery sticking the tongue out things like that.

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It's just over the periphery of my vision It's it's it's a skill you develop over the years You know that anyway

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There's something different about being in person It really is I would rather do it that way.

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My understanding is that He lives in North Carolina So, you know

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I'm sitting here going. Well, it you know, it would be well down the road and Maybe a lot of stuff will happen between now and then but if it's it's if it's an important enough topic

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Maybe something could be worked out in the spring next year about a year from now and For most people's like no one's even gonna be thinking about this a year from now

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Well, if it's an important subject, they better be You know if it's not the internet where you know, the the the big huge thing of today is forgotten in six months

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It's no longer even relevant That that's not the kind of stuff

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I'm really into you're like well you're debating Mahler. Yeah Mahler's reap repackaging a lot of the same argument arguments that Dr.

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Mel the fourth president of the Southern Baptist Convention presented in 1844 that means it's been around coming up on 200 years and so if you're repackaging it and Presenting it then that means it's something it probably needs to be dealt with again so yeah, that's a long -term thing and So I'm just sort of like Well, John you have no basis for questioning my motives because I've said over and over again, what are we supposed to debate?

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What are we supposed to do me and people just shut up? They just get silent

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They want to see the fight But they're not bright enough to realize what they want the fight to be about as this long as people are beating somebody else up So, I don't know, you know

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I'm not sure if it'd be worthwhile to do something online that would not actually

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Mean anything and I Think when people have to invest time energy and money to make a debate happen

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I think that's sort of impact You know if it's just a matter of sitting down in front of it now I'm investing a lot of time in this upcoming one.

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No two ways about it. It's only two hours long. So You know, we're investing in time in it but still

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That's what I'd be looking forward to looking toward So there's there's possibility, you know surveyed us and Fritz Erba Both one was executed one died in prison, but they were sacral executions and I Would say it there that that was not something

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That was glorifying to Christ or appropriate. I Know why it happened. I do understand it.

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I understand sacralism and if you watch the little video that I did on YouTube on Fritz Erba, I Make it very clear.

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I I think that the people who imprisoned Fritz Erba and Fritz Erba were all Christians and Will someday embrace in heaven.

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That's hard for a lot of people understand But I believe that I don't think there's any way around it

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Man next thing shifting gears Remember Timothy Easley he and I talked about Ignatius a few weeks ago when

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I got back from that trip you know that one bag that I think blew away out of the back of my truck or whatever or $300 worth of stuff in that bag that I've had to replace since it just went poof gone, you know

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Somebody may have stolen it, but that wind was so strong that it it may be somewhere in North Texas Bad, but anyway

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Timothy Easley About three weeks ago

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Posted it a quote and I I knew the quote But either

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I had forgotten or never knew the immediate context of the quote And it's from Gregory Natsianzis This was you know, how old you know how long

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I've had this for some of you old channel rats in the in the Audience here this was one of the quotes

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I had in my in my pop -up quotes in my IRC client, okay, so that's how long

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I've had it But I didn't remember or never knew When Gregory Natsianzis said this

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He wrote this in a letter After presiding over the second ecumenical council in 381

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Constantinople. Now, by the way That was where Nicaea was in essence reestablished reaffirmed

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So it wasn't like it was the most Disjointed disharmonious

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Type thing but he was there he left mid council and He wrote these he wrote this the next year in a letter quote

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For my part if I am to write the truth My inclination is to avoid all assemblies of bishops

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Because I have never seen any council come to a good end Nor turn out to a solution of evils on the contrary.

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It usually increases them You always find their love of contention and love of power

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I hope you will not think me a bore for writing like this which beggar description and While sitting in judgment on others a man might well be convicted of ill doing himself

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Long before he should put down the ill doings of his opponents So I retired into myself and came to the conclusion that the only security for one soul lies in keeping quiet Yes, Gregory Nazianzus he he yes,

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I We could say similar things today we really could

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I saw a Another one shifting gears again. I saw another resort doing

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X theology today Twitter theology Someone posted st.

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Anna Schaefer was canonized a saint October 21st 2012 By Pope Benedict the 16th.

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So this was just before he resigned actually next year She received many apparitions of souls in purgatory

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Which she recounts in her diary not now Remember Today when you talk to Rome's apologists they are willing to They're presenting the minimalized view of purgatory so to the point of saying

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It's it's possible. It could be instantaneous It could be instantaneous.

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Yeah, nothing's here. No big deal. No now so This thread gives some examples on July 22nd 1918

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I had this dream Now remember that Pope Benedict the 16th was not some wild -eyed

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I Mean he was the head of the Inquisition. I mean, I mean Ratzinger that was his name was a

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Huge theologian. I mean he wrote extensively. It was incredibly bright and Yet he canonized this woman

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Well, she was canonized under his Pontificate I suppose you could say on July 22nd 1980.

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I had this dream. It seemed like I was going to visit a very sick woman She told me that from her room.

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I'd have to go through six more and then stay for a long time in the seventh a Strong anxiety came over me and I thought surely these are souls from purgatory

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However, without hesitating I opened the door and cried out my Jesus have mercy on you all

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October 21st 1918 I dreamed of a 12 year old boy who had died a short time before Even though he was very young.

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He was also in purgatory He told me he was terribly thirsty and asked me to pray for him because it was so incredibly hot.

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Oh Wait a minute But every Catholic apologist will take fire has never dogmatically been associated with purgatory

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It doesn't matter that every single saint that we've created that had a vision of purgatory

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That fire was a part of it There's this one. I told the story in one of the debates of this other saint that saw a a woman from purgatory put her hand on A wooden beam as she left left the room and you can go online that I'd have to look for it

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Don't remember the name, but you can go online cuz I found it You can google it and you can see this black handprint on this wooden beam in Italy I think it's in Italy from this apparition

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It's on fire and leaves behind a burned handprint, but fire you

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Protestants now We haven't dogmatically said that but we'll canonize people who talk about it, but you can't talk about Ah Yeah, okay

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On January 12th 1919 I dreamed that a girl somewhere between 14 and 16 years old Came into my room when she took my hand to greet me.

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It felt completely ice -cold So I asked her are you like this because you're a spirit and she answered yes

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And that's why I've come to you to tell you pray for me. My relatives haven't prayed for me No one has for a long time because everyone thinks

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I'm in God's beatific vision Well, I'm still suffering in purgatory and continued when I died

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I had a powerful advocate the Blessed Virgin, but also the patron saint whose name I bear and another saint who was my helper

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She also said the names were patron saints, but once I woke up, I couldn't remember them. I replied stay calm

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I will pray fervently for you and it goes on and on on what's the main point? There's time in purgatory people there always has been if You deny that you don't believe in the purgatory.

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These people believe in you believe in something new So what was the purgatory that was dogmatized by the

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Roman Catholic Church, it's not the one you're presenting You're this minimized sanitized

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This is great for Americans type stuff Yeah baloney it ain't no that's not that's not with it at all

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Okay, then a Brian Burgess. Yes, Brian Burgess Catholic husband dad son brother, etc.

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Etc. I All right

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Hey You may have seen again if you're not on X you probably didn't see this, but you may have seen that I Think what started all this?

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I'm not sure But there's been this discussion going on on Twitter again

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About Theotokos or as it's pronounced in modern Greek Theotokos The God -bearer

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That's what Theotokos means it means God -bearer but in English it's normally rendered mother of God and So You just need to understand

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Every Eastern Orthodox person will accuse every Protestant of being an historian. It's just It's just the way it is.

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I was called an historian by Perry Robinson back on the in the

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Phytonet days. Okay, okay pre Internet yeah,

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I don't know if I don't that was pre -internet and Bible echo and the open

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Bible echo and the Mormon echo and oh man, we 19 late 1980s anyway

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If you're a Protestant you're going to be accused in historian ism by an Eastern Orthodox, it's just the way that it's genetic

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That's just how they do Get used to it, but the big thing was John MacArthur is an historian and Other people jumped into it and there are a lot of process going ah, no one can ever call

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Mary the mother of God and that is enough and So I was watching this this would be the you know 49th time

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I've gone over this again and again again But I grabbed

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Marry another name and there is a tiny little chapter

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If you have the book and Yeah, there it is chapter 5 mother of God.

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It's only one two three four and a fifth page is long.

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It's not long and It's available on Kindle it's not available in print any longer.

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I mean you could probably get a used paperback, but why? It's available on Kindle so I just grabbed my

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Kindle copy and I posted on X that entire chapter It's like I said, it's it was one

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X post long where I explained the context of the terminology

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Cyril of Alexandria Nestorianism Chalcedon All the issues relevant there too and I made the argument that Theotokos Appropriate in the context of affirming

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That the one born of Mary was truly God hence against adoptionism the standard description of Nestorius his position is

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That he wanted to use Christotokos hence

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The mother of the Messiah the mother of Christ, which is not in of itself wrong But it's not addressing the controversy itself which was in the incarnation is this an adoption where you have a human being

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Who is adopted as the Son of God? So he's born as a regular child and then becomes divine

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Do you have some kind of? Eutychianism here where there's a mixture of the divine and humans.

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So is it like a demigod? Is it a pollinarianism or a neopollinarianism as William Lane Craig is where the spiritual

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Mental side Of of the human is replaced by the logos

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So Jesus isn't fully human You know what what is it and Theotokos was a means of saying no

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When Christ was born, he was truly God. He was truly God man. The hypostatic union was already in existence That's that's definitional of the incarnation itself, but I also pointed out that in the modern context 99 .9

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% of Roman Catholics that I speak to and that you speak Will use

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Mary mother of God And they they wouldn't know an apollinarian or an

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Astorian if they walked up and punched him in the nose It has moved from being a statement about Jesus to being an exaltation of Mary okay, and so I posted that and I also interestingly enough

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When you look at Calvin and his writings both commentaries and the

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Institute's He read he's basically and I didn't when

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I was writing Mary another Redeemer I this isn't where I got it But it's nice to find out.

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He said the same thing I did there is a historical narrow context of propriety for the use the word

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It meant something then it's still meaningful in that context, but that's the only context remember something

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Calvin's writing before Rome dogmatically defines the immaculate conception and the bodily assumption of Mary There has been a tremendous a huge Growth and development in Marian idolatry in the past 500 years

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That From my opinion when when Calvin addressed the perpetual

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Virginia of Mary He basically took an agnostic position. Now, there are some people that argue that He would have favored the

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Helvidian view Other people argue against that. I think if he was consistent he would have but he basically says it's speculation and we should just Not get into it well

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Rome is obviously dogmatized that and I think today in light of 1854 and 1950 immaculate conception by the assumption

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I think Calvin would most definitely not only oppose those things for the

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Absurdity in church history that they are but would recognize That the perpetual

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Virginia of Mary which Luther continued to hold to out of a pious commitment

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Was a keystone in leading to these later Absurd definitions and hence

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I don't think he'd take the same position that he did on the perpetual Virginia of Mary today That he did in the middle of the 16th century so but when it comes to the

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Pentecost He said the same thing. I did it has a appropriate place but it leads to superstition and exaltation of Mary in ways that are inappropriate

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And and that's that's only become more true in the five centuries that have passed since them and So I posted this stuff.

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I put this stuff online For those who have ears to hear and eyes to see and things like that, so Brian Burgess Post this big long filled with citations from the

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Council of Ephesus and all the rest of this type of stuff and It starts and end quotes from the

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Gospel of Luke as if this is somehow relevant. It's obviously not And this way says so you're saying essentially that being the mother of God is no big deal

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It says that would it be would it be too much to ask you show the mother of God the reverence that say

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St. Gabriel or st. Elizabeth showed her. Well Gabriel's an angel. He's not a saint and Elizabeth isn't a saint either in there she's sure she's in the presence of God, but in this idea of You're trying to make people

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Saints by assigning them these positions And then all this long quotation, but I'm just like So you're saying essentially being the mother of God is no big deal.

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Well, no what I'm saying is that Jesus Christ was truly God when he was born and that's what it's about and You're demonstrating exactly what

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I've been saying all along Roman Catholics don't use the term in its historical sense

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You're proving it right here. You're not using in essence.

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You're not even thinking about it Instead mother of God to you means all this exaltation of Mary herself.

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It wasn't about Mary but man That the middle of the 5th century.

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That's where it all explodes That's where it all explodes, oh, well, there's an amulet over here and there's this thing no, that's where it exploded

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Yes, it was developing Early on in the monastic movement and there's reasons for that since that's

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Ignoring what the Bible teaches about the normative form of the

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Christian Church and So you're saying essentially that being the mother of God is no big deal

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It's like, you know, I don't think you're listening real well. I don't think you're you're hearing well now, it's interesting

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One of the Leading candidates to be elected

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Pope Pietro Parolin It says here according to multiple sources yesterday afternoon an alert was triggered in the

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Vatican Concerning the health of former Vatican Secretary of State Cardinal Pietro Parolin Who is considered one of the leading papal contenders the 70 year old

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Cardinal reportedly suffered a sudden illness Due to elevated blood pressure and was attended to by a medical team that assisted him for an hour

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I Wonder if he's not going to be a leading candidate anymore. You got to understand

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If you're gonna sit there and go, oh you can't do all the conspiracy stuff Do you have any idea

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The historical intrigue, I mean the Borgia Popes have you ever read about the Borgia Popes?

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I didn't but I already put it back. I had gotten the Oxford Dictionary of the Popes out for the program

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I did with Keith Foskey right before we did this program Already put it back. Um Look up the

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Borgia Popes man We're talking every kind of corruption

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We're talking massive amounts of money. We're talking armies and we're talking

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Poisoning people if you ever heard of Lucretia Borgia Yeah, yeah, you know the

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Borgia Popes man The the amount of intrigue and Politics and power and sex

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At that time in the history of the Roman Catholic Church is truly astonishing so You know

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I said last time There's stuff going on in Rome right now that almost nobody knows all of it

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Um, but if you're sitting there think ah, that was just all back then that doesn't happen anymore

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Okay If you want to if you want to believe that but I think

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Francis set up a powerful system to make sure

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That his legacy didn't get immediately dumped and Abandoned and mocked and derided and refuted

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By an immediate switch back to the conservative side Now Was he successful?

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No idea. I Don't have any idea whether he was successful or not

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We're all gonna find out eventually Though let's be honest. Whoever is elected

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Most of us don't know anything about them right now. So once that name is announced

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Everyone's gonna be diving into everything. He's written and you know all the rest of this kind of stuff, but even then

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Popes have surprised people they had sort of one track record before and Something very different after that so We're all gonna be watching and all and I just keep saying

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Especially once the conclave starts and you're gonna see on Fox News, maybe CNN will show it once in a blue moon

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I don't think MSNBC will but there was there was this camera aimed at the chimney

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Where the smoke comes out and it's just they would actually put it in a picture -in -picture thing on Fox News so that you know once the the right color smoke comes out then we have a pope and la la la and That means there's gonna be a lot of opportunities over the next few weeks to go, you know

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Peter would be sitting here next to us on the couch going. I don't know That's what What this was this isn't what we intended.

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No this no and now that I was no, whatever you call him That wasn't me. I would never allow myself to be called the things that that man allows himself to be called

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So yeah, that would never go down All right, there you go there's a program for today and Next week

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It's really weird Next Tuesday when we do the program

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I have a Program immediately after this program and on next

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Thursday, I have a program right after this program with Tony Costa and The Tuesday of the debate so two days for the debate

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We need to arrange To do the program I think after yeah,

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I get done doing iron sharpens iron with Chris Arntz So yeah, a lot of stuff a lot of extra stuff

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Going on and we'll try to let you know about it if you want to sort of catch up on that kind of stuff so well, this is weird a really fancy I think it's a

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Cadillac just pulled up in the main parking space and The the signal lights around it our camera sees it doing really weird stuff

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Yeah, it's good. I'll show it to you. It could just be you know cameras see things in different ways, but Who knows?