How does Genesis differ from other creation stories?

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Introducing Pastor Peter Nord and the Focus on Genesis

But, um, yep, here we are with our second, uh, second episode with Pastor Peter Nord. Um, Pastor, do you mind if I call you Pastor?

Yeah, sure.

The idea of just, uh, introducing yourself a bit, you know, kind of have your church.

Sure. Yeah.

I'm the pastor of New Life Church in Palmdale, California. It's Northern Los Angeles County. Um, I am staying here for the reason a lot of people are moving out of California. I love it. Um, we are, uh, a light in a place where a lot of people don't go to church and I love that too.

Um, we, uh, just launched a third service. So we're doing three services on Sunday. Uh, we're building an auditorium. We just bought 80 acres. Uh, we're, we're just a church on the move and, and we're just wanting to help people.

And, uh, my, my ultimate passion is helping people, but, um, really I, I found that doing that, uh, can only happen through the word of God and through the power of God. And so, um, that's why I'm so excited about talking to you today.

So awesome.

Yeah.

Why Genesis Is the Foundation of Christianity

I'm, uh, I'm so excited to jump in the word of Genesis. Um, yeah, if you could just kind of jump into your background and how you've become so well read, did you get a PhD? I know that it says from the website, you've got, you know, your master's and your bachelor's, but.

Yeah.

Why Genesis? You know, why?

Yeah.

So, I mean, it is the foundation, uh, you, you, if you were to, you know, um, take one passage that is tied throughout the entire Bible, it would be Genesis one to 11. Um, there's no mistake and it's not a coincidence that every attack, uh, that has been had on Christianity for the last 2000 years, um, has always gone back to, yea, hath God said, which is straight from Genesis three.

So, uh, it really is the foundation of, of Christianity. And a lot of people have over the years tried to cast shadows on its importance. And I think that that's a mistake. I think you have to go and you have to ask the tough questions.

You have to do the work to know, Hey, this is really important. It's why it's first. Um, in fact, I mean, literally the first three Hebrew words are, are the most important and they are repeated all throughout the Bible.

Um, and so, yeah, no, Genesis is, is great. Um, my background is I was a skeptic, uh, 17 years old. I, um, was really questioning my faith. I didn't, didn't really know what I believed. Um, I knew what my parents believed, but I didn't know what I believed.

And so I went on a quest to find, uh, what I felt like was true. And, uh, today they would say my truth, but I discovered that there is no, uh, claim to truth that it's either true or it's not. And so after studying lots of religions and different things that, that I thought, you know, made sense to me, um, I couldn't shake the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

I couldn't shake how Muslims, Jews, uh, people from all the, all around the world, if they're scholarly and they're actually using evidence to back up their claims, um, they don't dispute the fact that Jesus was dead and rose again.

They don't know how he did it. Um, and I just, all of the proofs, uh, from scripture and outside the scriptures, uh, just pointed to the fact that for 2000 years, they've been trying to poke holes in it and they just can't.

Uh, and so, uh, as, as one of my friends says, uh, it was going to take me more faith to be an atheist. So I decided to, um, just be all in and that's how I am. Like I'm all in. So once I realized, Hey, this is true at 18 years old, I went to Bible college and I got a four year degree in theology and biblical languages.

And, uh, and then I went right into the ministry. I started pastoring the South Fontana community church, uh, was a little young to be a pastor. I was 20 years old. Uh, but I just felt like, you know what, why not?

And, uh, but then I kind of dialed it back. Uh, I got a master's degree in psychology and counseling and it became a counselor, became a young adult pastor. Um, I spoke in all 50 States to young adults all around the world and really was passionate about that still am.

Uh, but, but now, uh, pastoring in Palmdale for the last seven years, uh, it is a joy to study the word of God. It's a joy, um, to walk people through transformation, through the truth. You know, Jesus said, the truth will set us free.

And so, uh, psychology comes at it from the angle that says, how do you feel? Let's try to fix it. Jesus says, this is what's true. Now let's address how you feel. It's totally opposite. And, uh, it's, it's a wonderful thing to start with the solution with the foundation and work our way up.

Wow. That was a great answer. I, um, I kind of got stuck with like, you have studied so many different religions and I feel like I am surrounded constantly by people that are like, listen, Christianity, probably good, but I need to rule out the others first.

I think that's a pretty normal approach to deciding what faith and just understanding all these other faiths. I got, I'm going to ask the question later about like, how does Genesis differ from all the other, you know, religions, Christian stories, but just backing up just a second when it comes to, you know, Hinduism, Buddhism, Islam, what was it that, you know, they're all valid and people are believing in them.

So what was it about you? That was kind of like the clicker of like, Oh, this isn't it. This is actually, you know, was there a moment like that?

Why Other Religions Could Not Answer the Resurrection

Yeah, actually, uh, the crazy thing about every religion is there's an element of truth in every religion. I mean, otherwise people wouldn't even give it the time of day.

Right.

So the Bible is, is all true, but it's not all truth in the sense that it's not comprehensive. I mean, uh, there are things that are true about medicine that aren't included in the.

Bible.

I think we would understand that, that there's what's called general revelation. So there's some things out there that are absolutely true that aren't in the Bible. And to that, we say, okay, if, if it's something that we can look at and say, absolutely, it's.

True.

And the thing that I really was interested in answering was what about the religions that predate Christianity? And when you, when you think about a religion, you know, like Hinduism or Buddhism, um, you, you look at the tenants of their faith and you realize, okay, wait a second.

From the beginning of time, we had men and women, a woman and a man who was seeking after their creator in ways that are very similar to the religions that you see. And it was so eerie to kind of look back and, and see how they were almost like a projector pointing forward to say, these things are true and, and it elevates our need for a savior.

And so the one thing that no other religion had was a suffering savior. And so that's, that is the one thing that you wouldn't expect from a man-made religion. Uh, you, you, you would expect the savior to be triumphant and to be glorious and to not be bloody and beaten and humiliated.

And so when you come to, yes, when you come to Christianity, he breaks the mold of all the other religions that even predated it. And you realize, wait a second, everything that's true in those things are almost like a projector screen pointing us forward to something that we need.

They, all of those religions, they create thirst for something more because when you try to be your own Buddha, which is essentially what Buddhism is, is, is you are your own God. And there are 330 ,000 gods in India.

And again, I'm not putting down any, anyone who follows those religions. What I am saying is if you take all of the nuggets of truth out and just live them, it does produce some frustration and, and some frustration that hasn't really been talked about until the internet.

And now you have a younger generation who are, who are voicing some of those frustrations and what their, the frustration is this, that you can't, you can't be your own savior. You cannot, self-fulfillment brings frustration.

It's a futile pursuit. So, so for me, it was like, okay, they have some elements of truth. There are some things that, you know, Confucius and, and Buddha and Hinduism, they say that are good things. And, but, but now that we have scripture, we look at meditation and we realize it's not about being at one with ourselves.

It's about being at one with God and meditation is taking truth and emptying our soul of the lies we tell ourselves and filling it with truth. And so, I mean, you could take every, every religion around the world and, and it lacks the suffering savior that we all long for.

We long for someone to feel our pain, to know what we need and to meet that need. Only Jesus did that. And so that, that's again, just to kind of give you a synopsis of all the different religions. I'm, I'm saying this was my, this was my pursuit.

This is my journey that I saw all of them. And, and I was actually amazed by some of them. I learned from some of them, but none of them could transform me like Jesus could because Jesus came down to me.

And here's the other thing. Jesus claimed to be God, which is a big deal. He didn't just claim to be a good teacher. He claimed to be God. And then he rose again and he still lives. So again, even if you don't believe in Christianity, you still have to ask, is he alive?

Like, is, is he still existing? Because Buddha is confirmed dead. You know, I mean, Muhammad, you know, a great teacher, prophet, whatever you want to label him as, but he is dead. We know where he, his bones are, but Jesus is alive.

And so you just, again, you have to deal with that. The resurrection, it all always comes back to the resurrection.

Yeah, I mean, I've heard, you know, I've heard people, you know, a lot of people kind of allude to Buddhism or Hinduism as, you know, I lived in Thailand and people would just like, love that religion.

And it's attractive. I mean, I love yoga. I love, you know, tenants that are easy to obtain. And I think people really get stuck in the Christianity aspect of like what I can and can't do that. It seems very limiting, but I agree that it is, you know, limiting in a way that's more so guiding and more so humane of just the human experience.

And it is just more relative. Yeah, I mean, I had a thought and it's gone now. But even thinking about other religions and their creation stories. So since you do have this in-depth knowledge of, you know, I know loosely that Buddhism is based off, you know, Buddha, who was a prince, and then he saw poverty and decided to kind of seek that human experience in a way and kind of give up all earthly possessions.

And he found enlightenment under a tree. That's literally the extent of my knowledge. Super, super basic. And I guess that seems very, you know, cut and dry. But like Genesis is like God baking a cake out of the atmosphere.

You know, it's him pulling together elements that weren't there before. You know, was that kind of like the first people of that time had ever heard of that type of creation story? You know, like the first person to ever hear Genesis, were they just like mind boggled or were they like, oh, no, no, I'm used to that because I used to believe in this God Baal and his creation story was two titans clashing.

Like what was the background of the first person ever to hear Genesis? What would their reaction have been?

The First Hearers of Genesis and Ancient Creation Beliefs

Yeah.

So first and foremost, I mean, again, I don't I want to start super simple for someone who's like just coming to the Bible. Job is the first book. So that was the first book written chronologically. OK, what would would the people in Moses's day when Moses was receiving the creation story, would they have been absolutely shocked by this?

No, I don't believe so. I believe this was something that was that was absolutely recorded and passed down. Was it was it scripture yet?

No.

Do I feel like the Talmud and some of the rabbinical writings are extremely helpful in lots of historical evidence?

I don't know what that is, Peter.

You might have to back up. So the Talmud is traditional writings by by Jewish Sanhedrin priests. And and the rabbinical writings that that add to the Talmud are are just basically this growing document of things that they would add to scripture, much like other religions add to scripture.

You know, the Mormons have the Pearls Great Price and, you know, the the, you know, Muslim tradition has lots of different writings, obviously the Koran. But you would look at that scripture and saying, oh, that's great.

That's a historical document. I would look at scripture as it is the it is the God breathed word, meaning it's exactly what God wants for us. It's been preserved. It's literal. When it's not literal, it's figurative.

We can get into that later. But I mean, for me, you look at all the other other, you know, all the other things that kind of are salt and peppered around scripture. And you realize, no, they they knew that God created the heavens and the earth, that we are stamped with God's image.

To what extent? I don't I don't know. We weren't there. I wasn't you know, we there's not a lot of historical documentation of outside of.

Scripture.

Scripture has been miraculously, supernaturally preserved more than any other book. And in fact, I mean, if you throw out the Bible, which a lot of people want to do nowadays, you don't have any historical documents that match the criteria that that you're going to set if you want to throw out the Bible.

I mean, the Bible sets the standard. So the Bible has more manuscripts per verse, per chapter, per book of the 66 books than any other historical document. So it goes back the farthest. It has more confirmation, archaeological confirmation, historical confirmation.

So, again, we could get into the weeds of that in all of the different manuscripts and all of that. And, you know, but the Dead Sea Scrolls, they kind of that was like that was the final straw in the on the back of those who were trying to say that scripture really wasn't exactly divinely preserved.

So for those listening that may not understand me, what exactly are the Dead Sea Scrolls? I feel like I kind of know, but I'm not 100 percent clear.

Sure.

The Dead Sea Scrolls and the Preservation of Scripture

So the Dead Sea Scrolls were in this cave in Qumran. A shepherd boy went in, I think it was in the 1930s. I'm going to get that wrong. So fact check me on that. But he throws this rock into these small caves, which are everywhere in Israel, if you've ever been there, and he hears something break.

So, obviously, curiosity gets him. He goes and he grabs these perfectly sealed, other than the ones he broke, these jars, these clay-filled pots. And inside them were these ancient documents that were, I mean, documents dating back to, you know, 600 B .C.

So, I mean, we're talking about the time of Hezekiah, the king, Isaiah. In fact, Isaiah, I mean, everything that you took from those ancient scrolls and matched them up to what we had, you know, 2 ,000 years later, they match.

They're a perfect match. So, again, that's just one of many examples. If you go to the Jerusalem Museum, downtown Jerusalem, it is fascinating. I mean, the evidence is overwhelming for scripture. So, again, a lot of people would say, well, what about this?

What about that?

I mean, you know, you could debate it, and it's been debated for centuries. But if you're just stepping back and saying, okay, bring me the evidence, like bring me the evidence of, you know, and you put all the evidence on one side for either claim that the scripture has been tampered with and changed over the years, and Constantine made up a bunch of stuff.

I mean, just the evidence doesn't match that. And so, I've always said to my young adults, truth fears no question. So, if you have evidence, you know, bring it to me. Like, show me the proof. Because, you know, the truth always wins.

And sometimes it takes a while, but the truth always wins. And it doesn't have to be manipulated. It's something that you can just kind of rest in, you know?

Yeah.

Cross-References, Prophets, and the Bible Interpreting the Bible

Yeah, I absolutely agree that the Bible can be absolutely debated. But I think it was what Jordan Peterson, he had some PowerPoint, you know, he's great. But he like aligned every single part of the Bible.

This would be within the Bible, not outside. But everything in the Bible that really connected itself to the beginning. You know, there's a cross-reference in the hundreds, essentially, that really said, you know, what happened before.

And I'm not too familiar with the prophets and Isaiah and Elijah. But what was already said perfectly matched with what happened and what was fulfilled. Yeah, that's incredible. Just like backing up. So, you said that people, you know, with Job, people in Moses' day, they would have heard Genesis, you know, that's God's brief word.

And they would have been like, oh yeah, no, that totally checks out. You know, I can get on board with God, you know, whipping up an earth with his hands, you know, in a matter of seven days. Was that because, what was their belief before that?

Well, yeah. And let me answer what was their belief before that. But let me also say that it was in a time where they did not have the written word. So, God interacted with people in a different way. And Peter even said this in 2 Peter 1, that we have a more sure word, more sure than Jesus standing right there and saying it.

And he said, because you can forget what someone said. I mean, I forget half of the things I said last week. Your mind has a way of losing some of that. But when you write it down and 140 times in Scripture, it commands us to write it down, write down, write.

He told prophets, priests and kings and moms and dads to write down what he was saying. So, which is why we have the word of God. So, I think the reason that the first thing before we talk about what they believed before is the fact that God was actively like thundering from the clouds.

And I mean, it was, he was, his presence was visible and literal in the sense that, I mean, they just saw it. I mean, so, so when it says in the beginning, God, it's like, oh, okay. Well, I mean, that's, we, we see, we don't see him, but we see the fiery pillar at night and we see the cloud by day.

I mean, you know, yeah, it's wild. It's wild. But it was a different time period in the sense that God was literally interacting and you were hearing the voice of God, literally. And, and it, it scared them so much that they told Moses and Aaron, like, hey, wait a second.

We can't do this anymore. Like our children, like we, you have to be, you have to be a representative. You have to be a mediator between us, between us and God. And this is where the story of Jesus comes in because Jesus is our final mediator.

He is a better Moses. He is a better Adam. He's a better David. He's a better mediator between God and man because he is God. And he, and he was man. So again, everything points toward Jesus. And I would even say, and some people might get extremely like bent out of shape at this, but I believe that even things outside the Bible point to Jesus.

And I just, again, that's my own personal belief, but I believe that every religion and every book and everything that honestly we look at is super interesting. And people who don't even believe in Jesus, I think that even those people, not even knowingly are pointing to him as the savior.

I mean, you look at, at our, our whole existence and it, and it, and it bears record of that.

I hope that you don't hear the motorcyclists outside, but please, if you have an example top ahead, please share it because I totally agree with you, but I mean, we're in the Christian field, so we kind of want to see Jesus everywhere.

It's that confirmation bias, but you know, what is your example that people that are unknowingly praising God, you know, unknowingly pointing to Jesus?

The Problem of Evil, Human Suffering, and Jesus as the Answer

Yeah, no, I love that. So a lot of times people will say, you know, God, why would God, you know, let really bad things happen to really good people. And, you know, I'm dealing with a family who her, and I don't want to say any names, but her husband just passed away.

They have a three-year-old boy. She just found out that her mom has stage four cancer. I mean, and, and she is asking like, why, why would God allow this to happen? And I think even that question is a confirmation.

And again, I understand confirmation bias, but you have to think about it from a, from an objective, like step out and really think about what we're asking. When we say that, what we're asking is why, based on my measure of what is good, is God bad?

You're a confirming that, that what is good and bad actually matters. So if there's no God, it doesn't matter. And then B you're, you're, you're assuming that he cares. And if he does care, then he has to somehow, some way, right.

The wrong of sin sin entered the world. It corrupts everything. So what, so ultimately what we're asking is why isn't God doing anything about the sin problem because cancer and all of the things in our world, that's not God's original design.

You go back to creation. His original design had none of that, right? So, so we're the owners of the new Ferrari that wrecks the Ferrari and then blames the Ferrari,.

Right?

We're blaming God for something that we ruined. And yet God says, wait a second, that inside that question is a longing for belonging. What we're really asking for is we're asking for God to understand our need and to somehow enter into this need and somehow, some way, not just understand and have empathy, but somehow right all the wrongs.

And that is who Jesus is. Jesus is the one that came down to us. He suffered. He didn't come down to us all aloof. Like you've got problems. I don't. He brought heaven down to earth and he entered into our mess.

He entered into our sin and he felt our pain. He was in all points tempted like we are yet without sin. And he felt all of the infirmity. He felt all of the pain and he still died. And he is in the process right now of continuing to bring heaven down to earth.

And he is going to right every wrong, but it's in his time. You say, well, what time is that? All of eternity. We look at our existence, 80 years. God has all of eternity to have the last word and to bring justice to all of the pain and suffering.

And so in a question as common as that, we see the answer is Jesus. And that's not confirmation bias. You don't have any other answers outside of Jesus that will meet that deepest need.

Time, Miracles, and the Limits of Human Understanding

Yeah, just jumping into time. I mean, that is one of the hardest concepts for us to really understand is the that God created time. So he exists outside of it. And that's why this concept of eternity and the concept of creating the world in seven days, it just seems unfathomable for us.

So I love this explanation. I love that every question I ask, you know, we just go farther down this rabbit hole. But just to, you know, bring us back to, you know, people hearing this, just to give us some context is if I was experiencing God's fiery pillar, which I truly that could be a whole different conversation of how people experience God.

You know, I thought this was how they did, you know, we wake up and we go to work and then we watch Netflix. So they were hearing this God breathed word, they were seeing God. But then Moses was like, actually, it was this way in seven days.

You know, he heavens and earth and the land and the water where they like, okay, you know, this is kind of similar to what I thought before, which was what?

Yeah, I mean, again, we weren't there. I don't know exactly how they felt about it. But I will tell you right now that if we would have been in their shoes, I don't I don't necessarily think we would have questioned that.

Here's, here's why we think of the miraculous in terms of past tense. Like God used to do miracles, you know, okay, he still does miracles, but we don't recognize.

It.

Right.

So, so a lot of people think, you know, well, I asked God to help me, you know, I prayed and he just didn't come through for me or whatever. And I hear that all the time as a pastor. The reality is, well, how?

Like, how did he not come through for you? Like, like, did was there, you know, was there something that you had an expectation of that.

He didn't meet?

Because that's a different conversation. You know, could it have been that he prevented something miraculously that was going to happen that didn't like that game is an infinite game that you can't play because we're finite players.

So, so I think for them, again, putting myself in their shoes, I think that they saw the miraculous all around them and the supernatural all around them. And so to hear the miracles creation would have just been one more miracle.

And again, not to say that it wasn't faith. It is faith. And by the way, I will give whoever wants to debate creation. I will give them this, that from one angle, you can look at it. And the evolutionary process makes a lot of sense from that angle with all of the, all of those details.

But you cannot place that on to scripture because everything else falls apart. So if God stamped his image onto us, that cannot be progressive because that's not how God works, right? The miracle of life happens immediately.

And we know that because we see it happen all the time. I mean, the spark of conception is a beautiful thing and ask any parent, like it is a miracle. It is an absolute miracle and dreaming. I mean, we know more about the stars and the universe than our own dreams.

It's a miracle that we have this whole world when we sleep that sometimes is wacky and crazy, but it's, it's a world inside our head and we're still trying to figure all that.

Out.

And so the reality is there's miracles all around us, but Satan tries to tempt us and doubt us or cause doubt within us. That says, you know, maybe it wasn't so miraculous after.

All.

And if he can get, if he can pull on that one thread, the whole sweater unravels.

Yeah. Okay.

Yeah, that definitely makes sense. I'm just going to do a pause right here. We can take this out, but I was just curious, historically speaking, and I don't want to ask a question that you don't know.

But I was provoked to have this podcast because I heard somebody that wasn't very Christian, but more into the books essentially say, you know, before the Genesis Christian story, there was this other religion and it was this type of God and it was this type of mythical story, you know, and, you know, the pagans and the women that worshipped God, like all the things.

So I know, I just, I don't know when that was in the timeline of the Bible. And so I am curious if I was, you know, praising like a female God, or I was praising like a Zeus, was that, you know, that creation story is a violence and it's of oppression and, you know, just being simply more powerful.

So that deemed them the God, whereas with Genesis, it's a love and creation and cultivation and miracle.

Relationship.

And relationship, you know, I don't want to, you know, go outside your, you know, knowledge block, but if you do, I mean, shed some light to me on just like what people, what kind of existed before.

If you feel comfortable.

Genesis, Ancient Myths, and the Question of Competing Creation Stories

No, absolutely. And here's the thing.

I mean, I'm not, there are so many people that are far more, you know, skilled and understand this far greater than I do. But I will tell you this right now, that the whole idea, and I love Elon Musk, I love a lot of the things that he says, but the whole idea that like we're in a simulation and there are, you know, multi-universe, you know, possibilities where it's like, this is our God, but those people have other gods and other planetary, you know, it's just there, you know, again, you can build all of these possibilities.

Outside of the scriptural account, but it still doesn't take away. Is the scriptural count true? You still haven't answered that. So again, you can build things outside of it. And, you know, did, did, did God, like, for instance, one of the theories is, you know, the gap theory where, you know, God had, there was a whole nother human race in between Genesis one, one and Genesis one, two.

And I mean, there are like, there are honestly, and we could go, I could go on for an hour about all the different theories in Genesis one and two. I mean, there have been so many theories trying to explain the miracle that in the beginning, God created Elohim, Barashit, He created.

And, and the thing that you have to, you have to level with is it's here.

Right.

So again, you can debate how it came. You can debate what was before it, but it's here. And, and so what I, what I just, what didn't make sense to me as a teenager is it's here. It's incredibly beautiful and, and complex.

And I mean, like the ear and the eye are so irreducibly complex. I mean, it's like, it's like that evolved. I mean, so it didn't work for millions of years. And then all of a sudden it did, like, it just, it didn't make sense to me.

And again, maybe it makes sense to other scientists and all of that, but again, you know, you, you have this one theory that fits everything. Like, like it literally checks all the boxes and yet we constantly want to go outside of.

That theory.

And ultimately I think the reason why I wanted to go outside of it is because I didn't want to be accountable to him. It's, it's not a matter of intellectual ability. It's a matter of personal accountability.

And if we're really honest, if we're honest with ourselves, we don't like a God that we can't, and I know that's a double negative. We can't manipulate. We want a God that we can say, well, I'm just not that way.

Or I don't do it that way. Or that's good for you, but not for me. And whenever we step outside of our creator and we become as the creation, the one that calls the shots about how we are to operate, then what we're really saying is I want to be my own God.

And there's only two, there's only two choices. Either God is on the throne of our lives or we are, and you can, you can name any religion. You can name any, we could talk about any possibility. There are limitless possibilities, but those are the two choices on the, on the shelf serving God or serving self.

So, I mean, this might be a hot take and we can speak as freely as we want. This podcast is truly my questions. I'm not trying to assume or speak to anybody, but does that mean like, you don't, I don't want to say you don't believe in evolution, but like, I think that there is an overlap.

I don't think science excuses God's present. I think it creates like, if for me, it's reason in our human mind, but you know, I, I have a hard time reading Genesis and my logical mind wants to, wants to picture, you know, God whipping up earth and heaven and Adam and Eve.

And I don't want to talk about Adam and Eve in this podcast, maybe in a future one, but really just what it was, you know, where does God's creation end? And where does our understanding of dinosaurs and evolution and, you know, the millions and billions of years ago in the epochs, where does that begin?

And does that have overlap? And I, you know, I've heard, I asked everybody this, you know, and no one really has an answer because we all wonder the same thing. We want it to relate, but I think no one can find the bridge.

And I was just kind of talking about this with friends of, you know, was it, this might sound so silly, but really, was it just like a bubble of Eden and like a bubble of this creation while evolution was happening?

Or was it happening at the same time? You know, a day for God was like millions of years for us and Adam and Eve was the culmination of evolution from the human terms. But, you know, God doesn't want to talk about evolution.

He wants to talk about his creation. So that's all he's going to mention in Genesis. You know, I'm really trying to like, I know that science doesn't, I know that science supports God and I know that God doesn't try to dispute science and I'm not trying to separate either one of them.