Cultish: Bob Lazar & Alien Spacecraft

Bob Lazar, Area 51, and the UFO Phenomenon

Welcome ladies and gentlemen back to part two of cultish entering the kingdom of the cults. We're talking about Bob Lazar and the UFO phenomenon and. Obviously we're talking about cultish but we have some guests with us today in part two that hopefully were there if you listen to part one and.

Good morning good afternoon evening wherever you are. This is not another episode of sheologians, we're here again today to put the her and Mulder in Mulder. Why did I not see that coming. I tried to rewatch the X-Files and It's not great of a show like it's kind of boring.

It's really intense I think maybe and I don't care about the characters. Yeah, and also I don't care.

It seems like it should be so interesting but yeah, but it was one of those shows where I think how many seasons that even Go for well, and it just had a huge.

That's right, but the she and light speed.

I There are in hyper space. We're gonna put the her in interdimensional. You can we could do this all day. So what I'm super excited for it. Everyone's been waiting for this is We're gonna talk about Bob Lazar.

And so there's a lot of difference. I mean, we just. Well, I just watched the documentary. I believe it's called Bob Lazar in year 51. Or something like that. I just look it up on. I look up on iTunes.

You can see that you run the documentary came out recently in the last year. Make sure you have your subtitles on. Yeah.

Make sure you have your subtitles on a. Mickey Rourke is doing the narration because I could not. My wife came in. She was like what what is he saying?

Sounded it sounded like he just woke up like after like a long DMT trip. DM Drunken weekend.

Cigarettes was definitely involved. Just.

Bob Lazar’s Story, Area 51, and the Whistleblower Narrative

But Jeff's like what. Tell me about like why I mean you were talking with your brother and you want you were trying to like witness to him. But he is really into aliens and all these different things.

But what talk about like what was it about Bob Lazar and his particular story angle that caught your attention?

So the the story of Bob Lazar is interesting because it's a well-known story. And Everyone has access to like the original news footage stuff where Bob Lazar came out. And he said for his own safety and protection he came out to put his face out there so they couldn't you know off him.

That kind of thing and so Bob Lazar is an interesting case study in this whole area of ufology because Bob Lazar Does have confirmed connections to working at area 51? There are ways you can demonstrate that he was probably most likely there.

That and so before people are like area 51. Is that even real bro? And then like now it's like well, of course area 51 was real and it what was a nature of area 51. Was it a place that you know was engaging in alien technology, right?

Or is it simply a military test site near other military bases in Nevada, which happens to have a lot of open space. Yes, you know that sort of a thing. But he's an interesting case study because I think there's elements to his work there.

Where you can say yeah, it seems pretty obvious that the government was trying to erase his connection to area 51 I think that that's a good Explanation as to why stuff was disappearing on Lazar and his connection area 51, but then there are other I think logical Explanations as to why the government may have tried to disconnect themselves from Bob Lazar if it's a top-secret Classified military installation and he's going around telling everybody about it and they're trying to keep it top-secret.

You know, maybe they want Bob Lazar to look like a you know, a moron an idiot and a crazy person but but at any rate so Bob Lazar's Explanation is that he worked at area 51. He says there was 10 or 9 9 or 10 spacecraft at area 51.

You know place called s4 extraterrestrial, you know a spacecraft of Extraterrestrial origin that were at this base that he was working on on a regular basis. There was he wasn't working on all of them.

He was working on I think one in particular.

Yeah, I think it was to was it to he was working on the propulsion systems of I mean, I know of one ship, but I forget the exact number of some sort of spacecraft and he came out in 1989 and Said this and it was this huge Phenomenon, my husband was born and raised in Las Vegas and he like knew the whole story just by virtue of Being from Las Vegas.

Everybody knows the guy who covered the story I can't even remember his name now. George George George Knapp like everybody in Vegas is like Oh George Knapp and this was like the VHS's of him going on the Las Vegas.

You know news where you could buy him as far as Japan people were showing him in theater. So when he came out as this whistleblower of this is what's happening at area 51. It was this huge cultural phenomenon and particularly in Las Vegas because area 51 is just north of Las Vegas.

Everybody knows all the kids grew up watching this on the news and it was this huge huge thing. Just for the people don't know who Bob Lazar is because I didn't until I watched the documentary.

Yeah, and even like now because of like what Bob Lazar did with like really bringing area 51 to the forefront. It's become this area of like pop culture. I mean, I remember The I remember the act the arcade game came the arcade game out like area 51.

And I would like play that with my friends and then you obviously you had Independence Day, which they're they made the joke about area 51 and they end up there and yeah.

Just aliens and it's just taken for granted and I went to there's a atomic testing bomb Natural museum and when you come in Las Vegas when you come out of it, it's all just area 51 alien Merch that you can buy you can buy a huge Industry and it really did happen because of Bob Lazar and so when I was thinking through like I think I would be Knee-jerk one of those Christians that would be like, why are you guys bothering to talk about this?

Like why why are you taking the time to do it? But just in between recording these two episodes. I had a friend Message me and say I'm really glad you guys are talking about this because I have so many family members and they are in Las Vegas.

Regardless I have so many family members who are huge fans of Joe Rogan who are really into all the alien stuff. And I just don't know how to talk to them about it. Like I don't even know what to say.

So I'm glad that you guys are talking about it I think as Christians a lot of times we can just kind of write these things off and be like well look at these Crazies, this is nuts but then It when it becomes personal to us like oh all of a sudden I have people in my life Like you were saying your brother like I need to be able to Talk to them about this and I can't just be dismissive.

UFO Sightings Versus Alien Encounters

Well, it's an interesting part of the alien conversation obviously in the last episode we talked more about like the New Age involvement and actual interaction with Beings that people say are aliens, right?

But then there's another side of the alien conversation, which is Encounters with UFOs and not any specific being at all. Just seeing ships or hearing stories about alien Aircraft existing And things like that.

And so it would it just I mean even Jeff you you talked about Not wanting to leave that out of the conversation just because it didn't involve Like directly communicating with aliens. It's still a part of the conversation.

Which is that sometimes people look up and they see lights in the sky and sometimes they see aircraft allegedly that does Weird things that our aircraft can't do and so it would we'd be like It would be like sort of ignoring.

Sort of fundamental part of the conversation to say we're not going to talk about the aircraft. We're only going to talk about people getting abducted or people coming into direct contact with aliens.

Yeah, and it's good to even talk about the sightings and the encounters with aircraft because Bob he claimed to Hear about like he read an old documented encounters of Experiences or encounters with entities, but he claimed to have only worked with the spacecraft.

But what's important even to deal with like someone like Bob Lazar is because even though Bob's focus was primarily the aircraft the aircraft but then that then the occultic practices of Contact these entities they go part and parcel with each other.

They always that you can't have really one without one always leads to the other typically in a lot of these cases. But um, yeah, I was going to ask.

Hypnosis, Repressed Memory, and Recovering Alien Encounters

Yeah, so I thought it was interesting the documentary. He went under hypnosis. Yes, and That's also how that's how a lot of people remember stuff about their alien encounters. Yeah through hypnosis. I just had a friend talking to me the other day about Hypnosis is becoming a very popular thing to do in birthing.

They call it hypno birthing and so I had a Christian friend who was talking about how she Encouraged to practice hypno birthing and as she was doing it She was overtaken by these horrible nightmares and she had to stop practicing for that.

Because hypnosis is a pagan practice so it shouldn't be surprising that People who are under the influence of hypnosis report similar pagan scary Interdimensional things so I thought it was interesting that in the Bob Lazar documentary.

Yeah. He you know. He claimed that he couldn't remember all these things and so he tried hypnosis and he comes out of hypnosis and all of a sudden He has all this information kind of like we were talking about In the last episode, so I thought you're saying they lead into each other.

Well in the documentary you see that happen you see it lead into into that and here's what's crazy.

Too is that that caught my attention too because there's a lot of there's been a lot of controversy with hypnosis and different areas of mental health and Specifically if you look at just the nature and science of memory what it actually is and so at some time in cultists We're going to talk about that.

Just there's a big controversy it happened really big in the field of psychology the act of the aspect of repressed memories. Where people will either get sexually abused or something horrible happens to them and allegedly they bury that within their consciousness but one of the things is that this in the practice of recover memory therapy is that they'll a lot of times put people in Hypnosis and they'll give them sodium amytalt and that will put them in a suggestible state.

And they will end the therapist a lot of times and I talk with a guy on the phone who lives here in Arizona Who's to practice this and so he'll try and allegedly guide them through what he thinks is this something horrible that happened?

Into your past, but what people don't realize that the scientific nature of memory. It's not a photo. It's not a video recorder. Is that the scientific nature of memory is constructive and Reconstructive and the fact that anytime you're in a suggestible state.

Someone even with the best of intentions can put a leading idea or a thought That could alter or construct that memory and so when Bob Lazar is trying to remember What these things that happened it just that that was the moment where it became questionable for me about how?

Reliable that is because it's one person's witness but putting put into a not only that but when it's put into a suggestible state without anyone to verify but Talk to me. I want transitioned over a quick to you Jeff talk about Your relation to like area 51 and right you talk I was freaking out too about Your dad and everything and jump back into the Bob Lazar thing and right why that fascinates you in this whole discussion.

Dreamland, Area 51 Logistics, and Government Secrecy

So it was not too long ago just about a little over a decade ago. My dad just mentions just out of the blue. He just mentions. That he helped to set up area 51, but he called it something different. He was and at the time I knew very little about like the origins of area 51.

You know the story behind it except, you know I've heard you know rumors about area 51 and aliens and all the rest right that it really existed. But he just mentions nonchalantly like normally is like yeah, you know, I helped set it up and and did logistics for it.

He said but we called it. We didn't call it area 51. We call it dreamland and I was like hmm. And so he mentions, you know the whole thing and then finally like I sort of started getting into it. I found out wait a minute.

He's referring to it the way that it was really called. To what is really called and so I asked him asked him questions about it and his his story about it was interesting. I was born in Las Vegas in 1978 at Nellis Air Force Base.

My dad was in the Air Force and that's where we were stationed for a long time. And my dad's story is essentially he was brought into the office by his captain or whatever. And he goes into the office and the captain basically asks him because my dad's in charge of doing logistics stuff.

He asked him like, you know, Sergeant Durbin, what would you do? If you needed to get stuff that we wanted to this place in the desert. But we needed to essentially order it in such a way that nobody could figure out what we were ordering.

Like how would you hide it? And my dad essentially was like Well, you would do it this way you would you would follow the paperwork like this order the stuff and then you would change it. So it looks like, you know, you're really asking for, you know I'm just random like trucks and bricks and mortar or whatever, but you put down like in the paperwork like A million dollars worth of you know, toilet plungers or whatever, right?

Literally is so my dad said it's so obvious. But you know, it's paperwork that doesn't say what you're actually ordering. And so basically my dad tells him here's how you would do it. You would hide what you're actually ordering and that's what you would do.

So I guess is the the boss was like, okay. Thank you, Sergeant Durbin like whatever and my dad says a couple weeks later. He's called back into the office. It's the same captain, but now it's two other guys there who just dress normal suits and the guys like Sergeant Durbin.

Why don't you go ahead and tell them what you told me? How would you get the the goods and everything you needed? How would you order it and then not disclose what you're actually ordering for the file?

And so my dad goes through with these guys that are there. He says here's what you would do. And so basically they're like, well, thanks a lot. So my dad goes back in again after he's called back in maybe like a week or two later.

And basically my dad's captain was like, all right, Sergeant Durbin. That's what you're gonna do. My dad's like, what do you mean? He's like, well, we're gonna tell you what to order. We need you to be responsible for the logistics making sure that it gets out to the desert and that it works towards dreamland or whatever the name of the Base was at the time.

So basically my dad said what he did the whole time. We were in Las Vegas as he just did that. He was told what to order. He would order it. He would not disclose in the other documentation what it actually was.

It would go into a file and that's how they built up area 51. He said they would have men who would basically get the trucks or get the whatever was for the base. They would drive all the way out not far away from area 51.

They would get out there and there would be like two cars and they would leave the trucks in the middle of the desert. They would get into the car and they would drive back to Nellis Air Force Base. So he said that was a regular basis is that he helped to build Area 51 was called something different at the time, but he was just not a lot about it.

He's like, yeah, I was in charge of the logistics of getting stuff out to the base to build the base up. But again, he was like it was called dreamland. It was an area 51 and it that's true. So I looked it up and I found out Oh my goodness, that is what it was called dreamland.

And now it's area 51. So my dad was a big part of actually building up area 51.

The Bone Scanner, Element 115, and the Limits of Bob Lazar’s Claims

So basically the playbook that he was running was. It was almost the equivalent of what Walter White and Jesse did in the final season of Breaking bad when they transfer all the methylamine and that train.

Yes.

Yeah, if you look at the order forms for area 51, it's like what are they using all these light bulbs. Lots of popsicle sticks.

So it's interesting because people initially were denying that area 51 even exists right then I got to the point where it's like Okay, it does exist. Yeah, and now that is the government confesses to it.

But the argument is but it wasn't an alien spacecraft base. It was just a military base trying new technology and all the rest. My dad never mentioned anything to me in terms of it was aliens technology and everything else.

It was just a military base. Connected to him in the Air Force where they were actually building up a base to basically run tests on new technology. But of course now it's become a case of it was an alien technology, right?

And that's why it was a secret and that's why it was so secret. But when you look at the case of Of the man that we're talking about now Bob Lazar Bob Lazar's claims Are interesting because a lot of them are provable and you can acknowledge.

Yes. He really was at area 51. He really took part. He was really a part of this whole process of whatever's going on there. And yes, it's true that somehow as he departs from it He starts announcing area 51 and all it's happening there that it does appear that the government was involved in trying to erase his connection Area 51, but remember I think at the time area 51 was a hidden thing.

It was very top-secret. They didn't want people to know about it. So it makes sense to me as a part of working there.

Yeah, they weren't just like oh, and you know if you tell a few people it's not a big deal, right? They were like do not say anything. That's a part of working here, right? Like you have to be quiet. If you can't do this job, right?

You don't have to Joe Rogan and Joe Rogan and maybe we'll play a clip on that and when this show goes up Joe Rogan actually points out that you know. One of the things that's Bob Lazar mentioned was like, you know.

He mentioned before that there's these bone scanners that actually scan not just your fingerprint. But like the distance between your bones and your fingers and everything else is all unique for every person.

And he's like and people are compelled by that. They're like man. We just discovered that he was telling the truth. There is such a bone scanner and they were using this then and I'm thinking to myself Okay, but what's that got to do with aliens and UFOs and all the rest, right?

Because the government had advanced technology on a top-secret military installation where there was examining the bones in your hand. I'm thinking to myself Okay, yeah sounds like the government sounds like something they would do right it doesn't mean that he was telling the truth about actually working On alien spacecraft and right contact with aliens and all the rest, right?

It was military technology in a top-secret military installation. And and yeah great. It examines the length of bones and distance of your bones and your fingers. Does that mean that now all of a sudden everything Bob Lazar says alien technology and aliens are existing?

Well, and a lot of people tried to or people have attempted to discredit Lazar his story was that they tried to like erase his civilian footprint after He started sharing information about area 51 and alien technology and all that.

But some people go as far as to say like he never went to MIT as he claimed. He never went to Caltech. Lazar says that those records were just erased but there's pretty extensive evidence that like people just don't remember him ever being there.

And there is there there is a record of Him attending Pierce Community College for some I think computer classes and also him graduating high school In like the lower third of his class. So there are records That that substantiate the idea for a lot of people.

And perhaps it sort of ends up really being a he said. He said kind of thing whatever, you know. But there are people that are like he's not a physicist. He he was employed. He gained employment at Los Alamos under false pretenses and was actually a contractor there that worked for a company called Kirkmeyer.

Which is evidenced by some listing in a phone book he didn't have like the the Los Alamos Like indicator by his name. He had the Kirkmeyer indicator by his name. And so and there's there's way more there's there's even some in terms of Credibility of some of his claims.

Specifically, I guess if it's okay, we can talk about element 115. Okay, which was another one of big toss it out.

But I'll throw I'll throw the context out and then you respond. Okay, so one of the things that Bob Lazar Would would mention the way that he would do this in terms of he comes out. He announces area 51 stuff in an original news broadcast.

He tries to keep himself private but announced what's going on in area 51 eventually.

He just comes out and it's Bob Lazar. He's saying that people are following him and even attempting to kill to kill him. So he wanted to put his name out so that if something happened to him for his own safety, right?

Well, I'll just I'll just say this too. Is that the one thing that's compelling about Bob Lazar it which is unique in my perspective. Is that there's a gap between like when this all happened to like when he came out?

I mean a lot of times you look at it just even now like in the Trump administration. Administration, I mean Trump's I mean he's gonna go for re-election next year. But it seems a lot of times when you have these like whistleblowers or people come out they do a book deal and they do like a world tour and they just they wanted to give as much publicity as possible because.

There's an ass there's a marketplace for that. But that didn't really at least from my perspective kind of did seem to be like why? That didn't seem to be in Bob Lazar's motives at all. Like I think he legitimately was trying because he didn't he come out when he did his initial interview wasn't wasn't his.

Yeah, he was hidden but he had a different name. Yeah, so I mean that that just stuck out to me but go ahead what you were saying joy.

So so he comes out and eventually it now his face is on it. His name is out there and everything else and he did announce early on Particular things to point to the fact that I really was there at area like the bone scanners.

Exactly and so one of the things that is interesting and we just need to acknowledge it and in terms of like yeah. It seems like there are airs somebody behind this trying to erase stuff. Like if he was if he was in New Mexico and he was at Los Alamos or whatever.

There's a record of it and he has evidence that he was actually there you have like newspaper articles and all the rest. And so is it possible that there's government agency or people involved in trying to erase his connection area 51?

Yes, but does that mean that that aliens now. Well, if you're in a top class if you're in a top-secret Classified military installation that the government does not want people to know about as of yet and you're coming out and announcing it.

Yeah, the government may try to actually deny it and erase the whole situation we can grant that without saying and therefore aliens and so one of the things that Bob Lazar has announced as he's announced the bone scanner thing that just gets people really excited like he announces his bone scanner that didn't.

Just measure your fingerprints, but also the distance in your bones from one another and the length. That's always unique for every person. And then we know now that oh that actually is Technology that exists, but we didn't know then so Bob Lazar knew about it then so therefore aliens.

It's like well, no military installation. Therefore. He was probably there top-secret. And of course Bob Lazar also mentioned element 115. And he mentioned that long before anybody else was really talking about element 115 and on a massive scale.

So there people say oh he knew about the bone scanners and he knew about element 115. Apparently before everyone else was talking about it. Therefore Bob Lazar must be telling the truth about interdimensional beings and spacecraft that he worked on things from outer outer space at area 51.

And so joy how do we respond to something like that in terms of he was the first person to mention area 115 and now we know that. They're sorry not area 115. Element 115 and now we know that element 115 is a thing and he knew about it before anybody.

Well, it's a little bit of a leap just like element 115 and Aliens is a little bit of a leap. He claimed that there was an element 115 was used it couldn't be synthesized. It could only be found in space and So we couldn't make it in a lab and it was extremely heavy, but it was very energy efficient.

So basically he what he was saying is that these ships that he was reverse engineering They would run off of element one 115 and They Would produce this element would produce high amounts of energy for long long periods of time without you having to use Very much of it and he he sort of described this system where you would like put the element like into these cylinders and stuff like that, so First of all, he was not the first person to theorize that there were more than the supposed amount of Elements on the periodic table.

That was happening in the 1960s. There were people there were chemists and scientists that were saying There are probably really really heavy Elements out there, but what they discovered and what we actually know today is that more than likely Really heavy elements with like high proton numbers Aren't stable at all.

And so you're talking about an element. Something that Bob Lazar doesn't explain is that some of the like some super super heavy high proton Elements are only stable for milliseconds two seconds. And he didn't give an explanation Of anything other than I just saw This element and so but then he so I would I would say that there is something There's something missing from his explanation of what it was.

Which is that he saw it and he was like, oh that's an he's he presupposed that that was some sort of alien element and some sort of alien fuel and another thing that he talked about was um a Part of why it was so useful is because it created It it created like the atoms would They like extended past the shell of the atom and created a like some sort of gravitational thing distortion right so that you so that the ship was basically flying in this sort of anti-gravity type of way, but What we know what we actually know about physics I mean, I'm not a physicist but what I've read about or what I've read about this is that Atoms are in like their elect their electron charge is incredibly strong inside and and the strength and efficiency of the energy drops.

Significantly the minute you exit the shell like the outside of that atom and that is just something that That we know so he's talking about. He's talking about something that we haven't. So first of all, he's talking about something in an incomplete way.

He's a physicist. He is talking about element 115. But he's failing to mention It's almost like he's just telling you about something he saw and he was like Oh, and it was a part of an alien ship. And so it has this amazing qualities and all this stuff.

But it's actually not anything we've Observed that's not like not that's not something that what how he character would have characterized it is not something that we've observed. And then he didn't explain There's just a lot of stuff that he didn't explain about element 115 and according to physics so you could say Oh, well, it's an alien element.

Like we may not know but what you're doing in that is you are. In order to presuppose the existence of alien elements you are giving up the laws of physics and so I just have to say You're giving up the laws of physics like just so you know I'm gonna I'm going to challenge you on Giving up the laws of physics as you walk around and you're held down by gravity on the earth.

I'm going to say You are you're giving that up so that you can presuppose This is an alien element that runs alien ships, so there is there's a leap that's happening here also, there were times when our obviously our There was a time when people like didn't know that carbon existed and so there's I don't think that there is a.

There there have been scientists for a long time that have considered that there are elements. That we didn't know about. Bob Lazar was not the first one. And certainly Bob Lazar knowing about an element before the rest of us knew about it when he worked at a secret military Installation does not mean they're aliens, right?

And I want to say this too. This is so important in terms of people saying like no a Bob Lazar legitimately worked at area 51 you know. My dad, you know, I grant area 51 exists. He called a dreamland like they it all that doesn't mean that it's alien technology alien spacecraft and all the rest.

So I think that the point is is when people demonstrate that Bob Lazar legitimately worked at area 51 or dreamland. Early on they then make the leap to and therefore everything he's saying about it must be true.

I'm sure he worked there.

Yeah, I'm sure he also said he did also claim to have a catch a quick glimpse of a Gray alien, right, right. Well, but then he later said that's probably not what it was, right? But the thing is is if you watch the documentary, I really believe that Bob Lazar believes what he's saying.

Yeah, like he if I really believe he believes that but the fact the matter is is he's working at a top-secret Government facility. It's not hard to believe that whatever they were working on there. There were you join I were talking about this there.

They probably all didn't communicate with each other whatever he was working on there. If he was working on something. It makes sense that if they're building something that they want to keep a secret that all the different Departments and groups that are working on these different pieces aren't communicating with each other.

Like he had a very specific task and he didn't know what task other people had that weren't working on that same task. There wasn't some separation is a way to keep things vague to keep people from doing what he did.

It seems to me like he worked on one thing and it was new and it was different. It was a secret. And so he put all these other pieces together things that he wasn't informed about and it really does seem, you know.

He took all the he took the lie detector tests and he's doing the hypnosis and he seems very earnest. I really believe that he believes he was working on an alien spacecraft. But usually the simplest explanation is the truth, right?

And it's like yes. You were working on technology that the rest of the country didn't know about that doesn't mean it was an alien.

Spaceship right now right and and like for example when someone throws out like Joe Rogan does this they are the thing at the bone scanner. They act so compelled by the bone scanner like the fact that he mentioned it before anybody else knew about it.

And now look to get a bone scanner. It's it was real bone scanner. It's like That's not impressive to anybody like we don't want the government top-secret facility. Sure. They got a bone scanner thing.

Does that mean it's alien technology? No, no, it doesn't mean that at all. And so I agree. It's like people take leaps from. Okay, he really was at a place called area 51 he knew about the early tech the the technology that was there early before everybody else gets it and it's like Does that mean that he's working on legitimate? spacecraft from interdimensional beings and aliens from other Galaxies and no, it doesn't mean that at all.

And so I think that you can challenge plus from a biblical perspective. You have to say like how do you bring charges against somebody? This is old a New Testament standard in terms of somebody's testimony.

It has to be on the basis of two to three independent lines of witness and evidence. Well, what do you have a Bob Lazar? You've got one guy. Right, and he's making claims himself, right his own claims.

Now, of course you can say well we can confirm with witness and testimony that yeah. He probably worked at a place like area 51. But the claims that he makes about what I did there and what I was working on there that can't be confirmed by.

Anybody but Bob Lazar. All the claims that he made about elephant elephant Elephant Area 51 about element 115 have been refuted right right by Physicists, right and I absolutely believe he worked on alien technology.

Alien meaning foreign alien writing new to us alien meaning. Yeah, they're doing stuff out there where if you try to come up in there without clearance You're gonna get shot. Like that is what this is secret and it's the government.

I'm not saying I approve of it. They're doing something up there and they're still are I don't approve of the government spending Tax dollars and being like what you're gonna do is say that it's light bulbs, but actually we're gonna bring other stuff, right?

I'm not okay with that. Simple explanation that is way more likely than you were working on an alien spacecraft.

The New Age, Biblical Discernment, and Why the UFO Story Leads Away from Christ

Yeah, so there's a couple of different things too. So like element 115. Enjoy. You've looked at this a lot more than I have but it's not. It's not something like right now. We could say we we can we can have like a live science experiment.