RLL 56 The Religious Wars of the 21st Century

Good evening, everybody. This is Steve Matthews. Thanks for joining me for Radio Look Solicit episode 56. And the title of tonight's episode is the religious wars of the 21st century now if you are like me and in you're a admirer of the work of Dr. John Robbins, you might recognize that title.

That's the I'm completely totally shamelessly ripping off his title of his 2006 Essay that he wrote by that with with that exact same title. It was published as a Trinity Review in When was that I know is in 2006 it was the August 2006 Trinity Review.

So this is a title that is It's 15 years old or almost 15 years old and yet It's it's a title that is really as fresh as as today's headlines. It's really a remarkable piece and I'm gonna get get into talking about that in just a minute.

But first of all, I just want to say hey, thanks for joining me here today. Anybody that's watching live. Thanks for joining me for the for the live. The live I guess what they call it a simulcast. That's not the right word for the live stream.

I'm sorry I guess I'm using old-school technology terms here these to call it a simulcast that was way back in the day. But I guess we'll go with a go with a live stream and for those of you listening to the the podcast welcome as well.

So hope you had a good week. That's Friday night. It's actually May the 14th. It's Well, it is. It's what about it's almost quarter till till 12. It's a 1142 a p .m. Excuse me on late on a On a Friday evening headed into Saturday, I thought about not doing the podcast here and it's a little bit late.

I wanted to get to bed early. You kind of want to get up early ish in the morning because I want to go Get my bike out supposed to be a really nice day tomorrow. And I'm gonna go enjoy a little bit of time on on Saturday because I've got a lot to do tomorrow.

Quite a bit actually and just I need to if I'm gonna go right I need to go right early. So Lord willing I'll be able to to get out of bed at a reasonable hour. But I wanted to get a podcast in to here tonight because it's been well, I guess three weeks I missed a couple of weeks in there and I I hated that you know, I had a actually a pretty nice write-up last week already and I Ready to go and and I wasn't I just wasn't able to do it.

I just wasn't feeling all that. Well Last week for for whatever reason, but I feel pretty good this week. And so I thought I'd go ahead and squeeze in a podcast, even though it's late night I'm probably should be in bed.

But you know, hey got to do what you got to do, right something like that. So anyway, you know, I report I think the last time I did a podcast I was seeing Some reports the cicadas were almost here, you know, the the big 17-year cicada invasion were supposed to get well.

They haven't shown up yet. It's kind of interesting they they were talking about how the ground has to get to 68 degrees Fahrenheit 8 inches below the ground and As soon as it hits that that tripwire that threshold those things come popping up out of the ground and you know They make our lives miserable for about a month and a half well that hasn't happened and I guess part of that is due to the fact it's been a little bit cooler than than the usual spring here so far and you know really most of It actually got down pretty close to freezing.

I remember I last Saturday I got up early to get out and I remember there's actually frost on my windshield. And so that's we're still dealing with that right now. But I think it's gonna be warming up here over the next week or two I think next weekend supposed to get in the 80s.

So I think that grounds gonna be warming up pretty soon and probably in a week or maybe two weeks. We're gonna be right on the leading edge of those those little nasty Nasty cicadas. I saw something today where they said that I guess with a normal There's a yearly variety of cicada that comes out and they say that that there's about two cicadas for every square yard.

But they say with the the 17-year cicadas, which is what we're gonna be getting. There's 200 per square yard roughly in some places is actually more than that in some less, but that's about the average density of these things and That's a whole lot of cicadas.

Yeah, I just I'm really not looking forward to this. I know a friend of a friend of my mom's Actually moved to South Carolina to get away from these things now if you live in a part of the country That that doesn't get these.

Well, you're you're blessed and consider yourself to be Be in a very good place. If you want to know what they're like, I mean, this is my how many go-rounds is this? Let's see one.

Two.

Three, I guess this is my fourth go-around. I guess I'm getting pretty old now, huh? Anyway. So I've seen these things before and I guess the closest I would if you've never seen them I would say, you know Think of like an Old Testament style plague and that that kind of gets you in the ballpark of what these things are like.

So anyway, well more on that when we when we get there in a in a couple weeks here. So let's move on here. I wanted to go ahead and talk a bit today about the religious wars the 21st century now. There's a cheery title for you, right?

Well, maybe not but it is a I think a very appropriate title it's a Title that that I think is very much What you and I are dealing with right now. You know and I'm thinking specifically this this last week of some of the events that have been going on in Israel and in the Gaza Strip and with with some of the Fighting that's been going back and forth between Hamas and and between Israel and it got me to thinking about the about John Robbins essay the religious wars of the 21st century and I'd like to go ahead.

This is such an amazing article I sometimes I talk and if you've listened to the program or a reading in my blog writing you probably already know I'm a huge fan huge admirer of The work of dr. John Robbins.

I think that he was One of the really great teachers that God has ever Gifted to the church and and I don't say that lightly either I maybe that sounds like I'm overstating it to some people but I I don't think that I am that that really is my My opinion of his work and sometimes when I I read his stuff.

I always have to say well, you know Well, this is my favorite essay or this is my favorite thing that he wrote or this or that well It's kind of hard to settle on on one particular thing. You know, I found his work to be really just a very high quality throughout and very consistent.

But this I guess if I had to pick Maybe a few essays that I had that if you really twisted my arm and say well Which ones are your favorite or which ones do you really think are? Essays that people should read now.

This one is certainly would be on that that short list of if I think they're the really Finest essays that he's done and and it's the religious wars of 20 cent 21st century. As I said, this was written back in 2006.

I'm gonna put a link to this. It's out there on the Trinity Foundation website. There's also a a version of this where he gives a there's an audio version where he presents the paper. And he takes some questions and a does some Q &A at the end of the the lecture as well I'm actually gonna go ahead and put that link up too because the the audio version is brilliant in what's even the thing that's amazing is as good as his essay is his Q &A session at the end of that of that talk is is at least as good as is what the Paper was that is the paper itself?

So.

Anyway with all that being said, why don't we dive in here? I want to read just a couple of paragraphs at the beginning of this and It kind of set the the tone here and then discuss. Maybe get into some some contemporary application of some of what he says here.

Civilizational Collapse and the Decline of the West

So here's here's what John Robbins wrote the phrase collapse of a civilization is a common figure of speech that misleads many into thinking that Civilizations collapse in much the same way as buildings collapse during controlled demolitions like let me Go ahead and share the screen there.

Okay, there we go. Let's start that again from the top here the phrase collapse of a civilization is a common figure of speech that misleads many into thinking that Civilizations collapse in much the same way that buildings collapse during controlled demolitions.

Or like the Twin Towers of the World Trade Center collapsed on September 11th 2001 the whole affair they think is dramatic obvious and over in a relatively short period of time and When it is done, nothing is left but dust and rubble.

The metaphor of civilizational collapse is misleading and some people under its influence deny that the West is in collapse. But civilizations do not come crashing down in a matter of months or even years and it is foolish to expect them to do so I'm just gonna stop right there and pause and just comment on that.

This is one of the things.

John.

Robbins wrote a number of things on the the collapse decline of the West as did Gordon Clark, you know, Gordon Clark wrote his His book Christian view of men and things I think it if I'm recalling correctly I believe the publication date of Clark's book was 1952 now if you're an American you think back Oh 1952 why that was you know, that was a that was a great time you know America just won the you know, the the World War two and you know Korea was still ongoing but You know America was riding high, you know, the middle class was growing the baby boom was going on.

You know you had see Eisenhower became president in 1952. So, I mean you handle, you know, there's a lot of nostalgia in the United States certainly for the 1950s. It was very prosperous time and in a lot of ways.

It was a very Very happy very good time for for the American people, especially after years of you know they had the Depression in the 1930s and you had the the big war the the World War two in the 1940s when people were Getting out from under all that they were you know, they're building houses.

They were moving to the suburbs. There's a lot of a lot of a good good stuff a lot of exciting things that were happening. It was a very affordable time in the United States. Unlike Europe, you know had not been devastated by World War two.

Or Japan had been devastated during World War two. I mean we had our industrial base I mean essentially the United States was unscathed and was probably in its strongest position. It's ever been both maybe certainly militarily, but it was also very strong politically and and even economically, you know coming coming out of the Great Great Depression and and.

When.

People began to regain control over their their their income with the tax cuts and the shrinkage of government that took place at the end of World War two. That was a boom time it was huge and. Yet Gordon Clark in 1952 wrote this book that actually was talking about and not all of it.

But but he had some very there's a very strong theme of civilizational collapse in that book and maybe in some ways John Robbins is picking up on on some of that and expanding on it. So let's continue again.

This is the second paragraph here of the religious words of the 21st century. Quote. The West has been in collapse for more than a century. The biblical theology that created Western civilization 500 years ago has all but disappeared in the West.

The rejection of Christianity in North America and Europe and the rise of several false religions including Arminian ism, Roman ism Pentecostal ism atheism and mysticism have led to the collapse of the West.

The collapse is marked by or More accurately is the dissolution of the biblical family husband wife and children the economic and political regimentation of the individual in business enterprises government ownership and control of most educational institutions.

The growth of crime the waning of civility the acceptance of public profanity obscenity and homosexuality. The resurgence of brutality. To oppose some of the civilizational collapse the religious right in America has embraced both Romanism and Judaism as saviors of the West.

Foolishly ignorant of the fact that they as forms of unbelief are destroyers of the West and causes of the collapse. What we call Western civilization arose because of the widespread preaching and belief of the gospel of justification by faith alone.

Theologies that deny this doctrine are fatal to both souls and societies. End quote. That is an amazing paragraph. And again, this was written in 2006 and when you read through, you know just going back here he talks about the The collapse of the West is marked by or more accurately is and he lists a number of things.

He lists the dissolution of the biblical family the economic and political Political regimentation of the individual and business enterprises government ownership and control of most educational institutions.

The growth of crime the waning of civility the acceptance of public profanity obscenity and homosexuality and the resurgence of brutality. Well, do have we seen any of that over the last year? You know since since 2006, I mean all of those trends were in place back then.

I mean that was 15 years ago. And it's only gotten worse. So I mean what what he said here? I mean, it was certainly true in 2006. I suppose you could say it's even more true today. And this is he shows remarkable insight here.

And I'm not gonna I'm gonna dig through all of that. But I think you can probably think very clearly about about some of these things. I mean he talks about the the the acceptance of public profanity obscenity and homosexuality.

I mean, it's gotten to the point right now where you've got a transgender individual Bruce Jenner who's running for For the governor of California and taking me taken seriously as a candidate. I mean that would never have happened in 2006.

I mean, it wasn't the transgenderism wasn't around. It wasn't that the homosexual rights movement wasn't Around it very much was there's very much active but something like that would never have been acceptable you know and the thing is the Bruce Jenner's doing this as a Republican that is supposedly the party of the religious right and the conservatives and I don't know if he's gonna win or not.

I don't think he's even polling as the the top candidate among Republicans. But he's definitely gotten a lot of attention if nothing else because he's a big celebrity. I mean, he's without question the most famous Transgender a person in the United States.

I don't think there's any question about that. Certainly not the only one but I think he's certainly the most famous. And and we look at the acceptance of crime. I mean crime has exploded over the last year.

I mean, we've spent all of our time demonizing the police and exalting criminals and It's not a surprise that that we have massive spikes in crime. There are hundreds if not thousands of people who are dead today because of violent crime who otherwise would be alive you know it had it not been for all of the the the foolish activity that's been done in the wake of George Floyd and in some of the other some of the other instance instances That have taken place over the past year, you know defund the police I mean, well, that's you know, the police that's one of the few legitimate functions of government you know as the Apostle Paul teaches.

I mean he teaches us that that the.

The.

The government it really has two main functions that is to praise the good which is to pass laws that are in accord with the law of God and to punish those who practice evil and The that that's that. That's the job of the police that's the job of the justice system is to punish those who practice evil.

Well I mean.

You've got a lot of people out there that want to tell you that the cops are the bad guys and the the criminals are the good guys and. You know, that's that's just a that's an example of calling evil good and good evil.

And and John Robbins picked up on this very clearly back in in 2006. Now one of the things that he talks about in here and and I think that this is. The title of the piece of course is the religious wars the 20th century 21st century and he's looking and so this is a predictive piece in a lot of ways was written in 2006 the first decade of the century and in John Robbins is looking ahead to To the the remainder of the century and he sees a century of a religious wars.

And.

The reason I was thinking about this particular piece this week is of course what's been going on in the headlines? You know think about all the recent violence that has occurred in with Hamas and with Israel and the the Israeli army in fact just invaded Gaza the Gaza Strip here within I guess the last day or two and there have been.

There's been a lot of fighting there's been a lot of fighting in the territory of Israel proper and a lot of Demonstrations and things look to be getting pretty serious now, who knows maybe all of this will will die down and in a month from now We'll forgotten about this but it's also possible something like this could lead to a broader Middle Eastern war and And that is a real concern.

It's a real possibility. You know, we don't know right now and I'm not saying that I know right now but it's it certainly is a dangerous and destabilizing situation now it one of the things one of my purposes here in doing this program is Not to take sides between the Palestinians Palestinians and the Israelis now that in itself probably requires some explanation due to the reflexive support.

For Israel that's expected from both Americans in general and Christians in particular. I'm both I'm an American and I'm a Christian but I'm taking a neutral stance here on What's going on between the Palestinians and the Israelis because I believe that is the proper biblical stance.

To borrow in fact, this is to borrow a phrase that the John Robbins used in his his essay Americans in general and Christians in particular do not have a dog in the fight. That's going on over there in the Middle East and we ought to remain neutral.

Yeah, Israel and in this in this statement here would probably surprise a lot of Americans to hear this but Israel is a foreign nation. It's a foreign country. Israel is not America. America is not Israel.

They're separate entities.

And.

This is a biblical stance, you know, as I said the idea that were to remain neutral again. That sounds very strange to people but the biblical stance is that national governments? Whether it's the United States government the Canadian government the government of Great Britain the government of Israel any country.

The job of that the job of that national government is to mind its own business, you know MYOB mind your own business. I mean that maybe sounds kind of strange, but that actually is a biblical principle for for geopolitics, and that's actually a pretty good summary of What's been known since the 1640s as Westphalian sovereignty.

I've written some and I've talked some about the Westphalian world order and the Westphalian world order is the idea. That the highest level of government is national government and it's the job of the of each national government to take care of its own business within its own territory and Leave other people alone.

Mind your own business. But you know, we've long forgotten that I mean the original foreign policy of the United States. Sometimes that in fact again referring to John Robbins essay. He called it strategic independence and one of the best and most famous statements of the idea of strategic independence.

Is this and this was expressed by John Quincy Adams in in 1821? I'm just gonna read this to you here quote. Wherever the standard of freedom and independence has been or shall be unfurled. There will her and by her Adams means the United States.

There will her heart her benedictions and her prayers be. But she goes not abroad in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher of the freedom and independence of all she's the champion and vindicator only of her own.

So, you know that that's where that quote that's a very famous quote, you know going abroad in search of monsters to destroy but what Adams does here is is he summarizes very well the idea of The Westphalian world order and what a Christian foreign policy looks like.

It's the job of the United States government to oversee and to take care of the United States. That's quite enough on its own. I mean, it's not like we don't have any problems here in the United States, right?

I mean, yeah, we got our act together perfectly. And so we've got all the time and money to go tell everybody else how to live. Well, no, we don't and I mean very obviously we don't and and we have a lot of very serious problems in the United States of America but there are a relatively few people who take seriously the idea that.

We we don't go abroad in search of monsters to destroy. There's a term that's sometimes used for that and it's isolationist and.

When.

Someone calls a person an isolationist. That's a that's actually kind of a swear word. It's one of those words it's used to discredit somebody and essentially remove them From the discussion and when you if if I call you an isolationist What I'm saying is that your ideas are beyond the pale.

You're a very very bad person and nobody should listen to you. It's a debate ender. It's it's it's not even it's not a debating point. It's it's designed to end a debate. It's kind of like calling somebody a racist.

You know that there's that old joke, you know. What you know a racist is a conservative who's winning an argument with a liberal and I think there's some truth to that you know that that a lot of times people will employ that term and say well so-and-so is a racist just to try to Tar and feather him As somebody that's it's a bad person somebody who ought not to be listened to by right-thinking people.

Well isolationist serves in kind of the same way. It's the same sort of thing with respect to foreign policy. You call somebody an isolationist. Well, that's just a that person is a terrible person and we're not gonna listen to him.

But that actually, you know the so-called isolationist. That actually is a Christian foreign policy and and in fact the the funny thing is the the real isolationists are the people who continually want to set one country against another.

People who believe in the Westphalian world order people who believe in a a Foreign policy that doesn't involve trying to strong-arm every other country. They actually are the people who are the Anti-isolationist because they want to trade and they want to do business and they want to be able to work with other countries.

You know, it's it's the people that are constantly trying to start wars that are trying to divide one nation or or maybe even one Whole region against another region pit people against one another. Now Ron Paul's made that argument.

I think he's absolutely right to say that. One thing I wanted to do and just maybe to to bring the the focus of this into the current events. I wanted to talk a little bit here about a piece that I read by a journalist a young man a Journalist that maybe he's in his 30s.

I believe by the name of Michael Tracy and This was a piece that he had written gosh I guess within just the last few days. But the title of his America first conservative declare actually we meant Israel first and what he does is he talks about?

All of the the sort of usual kind of Mindless we stand with Israel. Comments that are made by American politicians in particular not just conservatives not just liberals. But politicians of every stripe and he cites here quite a few Examples of Republicans coming out in an almost reflexive unthinking defense of Israel.

And I'll just read through a few of these here quickly. Here's Kevin McCarthy. He's a GOP minority leader. Israel has every right to defend itself against violence in the barrage of rockets from Hamas.

The United States unequivocally stands with our ally Israel and the Jewish people. And Ronna McDaniel Republican Party. She's the GOP chairwoman. The Republican Party stands with Israel. A nation has every right to defend itself against violence in the barrage of rockets from Hamas.

And The RNC even puts out an official statement on on Israel. The Senate Republicans as terrorists in Gaza fire rockets at Israeli citizens. Israel has every right to defend itself. The actions of Hamas are despicable.

We are proud to stand with a partner in Ally Israel against terrorism. Governor Kay Ivey of Alabama, Alabama stands with Israel. Doug Ducey and other Republican Arizona stands with Israel. Madison Cawthorne, he's a Republican congressman, I think from North Carolina.

America has and always will stand with Israel. I got I saw something that was put out by Donald Trump's organization here this evening. He said America must stand with Israel. And so you see this type of thing.

Here's Ted Cruz another big-name Republican. I unequivocally stand with Israel with its right to defend itself. So you have all these people popping up and in basically falling all over themselves to to defend and and to to identify with Israel and to Basically insert themselves into this this conflict going on in a foreign nation.

That's 6 ,000 miles away from American shores and Again one of the things about this is that America does not have a dog in this fight. Let me go ahead and I'm gonna read. This is some additional. Let's see if I can find this here.

Yeah.

Yeah, let's let's take a look at this. I'm gonna read a few more paragraphs out of the religious wars of the 21st century. So here we go. The result of two centuries of irrationalism. Irrationalism is that at the beginning of the 21st century?

We are faced not with a hopeful prospect but with an even more dismal prospect than our great-grandfathers faced a hundred years ago. The last hundred years has seen the resurgence of medieval Romanism in the emergence of a Roman as a lot.

Organizations such as Opus Dei. Medieval Romanism is not just confined to the Roman Catholic Church State and its thousands of educational institutions. But has gained many adherence among nominal Protestants as well.

The prolific authors Norman Geisler and R .C. Sproul and many lesser-known Protestant theologians and philosophers as well are disciples of the official philosopher of the Roman Church State Thomas Aquinas.

Their influence has misled most Protestants away from a biblical and reformed view of philosophy and apologetics and into a compromise with Rome. Medieval Islam is now usually called fundamentalist Islam and medieval Judaism with the establishment of the modern state of Israel in 1948 are on the rise as well.

All three religions Romanism Islam and Judaism are false militant and violent. Devout members of each group hate oppose and plot against members of the other two but today the date is 2006 not 1006 or 1006 excuse me and.

The true believers of each of these medieval religions have access to nuclear biological chemical and electromagnetic weapons. Barring dramatic divine intervention such as a new Reformation or the second coming of Christ.

The wars of the 21st century will be religious wars. They will be worse than the secular wars of the 20th century. The three principal protagonists will be the three medieval religions that have warred with each other for centuries.

Already the battles have begun. Is Important to realize that the Christian has no dog in this fight neither Romanism nor Judaism nor Islam as Christianity. Yet many who profess to be Christians support either Judaism or Romanism.

The so-called Christian right in the United States influenced by Romanism. Dispensationalism and reconstructionism has been a supporter of Israel Judaism in Rome for decades. The principal figures in the American conservative movement have been Romanist though.

Their source of funds has largely been Protestant. The principal figures of the so-called neo-conservatives neocons or Jews. The US government in violation of the US Constitution has taken tens and not hundreds of billions of dollars from American taxpayers and Given them to the government.

Israel. Over the past 50 years We have fought wars and spent billions trying to prop up various Roman Catholic dictatorships. More recently the US government has started sending money taken by force from the American people to Arab and Muslim nations as well.

The conservative movement in the United States has abandoned the American and biblical foreign policy of strategic independence pursued by our government since 1776 for a policy of global interventionism and has angered many foreign nations and peoples.

Most recently the Muslims.

Because.

Christianity is neither Romanism nor Judaism nor Islam. There's no need for the United States Historically, if not currently Christian nation to be involved in the religious wars of the 21st century. But because of the influence of American citizens and non-citizens who are Jews Catholics and dispensational evangelicals.

We are already involved in fact because of our foreign policy of interventionism developed in the 20th century and because of a more recent policy of preemptive war the United States has become the primary target of militant Muslims worldwide.

And not of Muslims only agents of both Israel and Rome are active in the United States both gathering intelligence in Influencing policy the US government is manipulated by foreign interests. Both Israel and the Vatican see the United States as their proxy in this religious war.

Now in that extended reading there that I just gave from the religious wars of the 21st century Robin cites Irrationalism as a general cause of our foreign porn current foreign policy mess and he gives two particular examples he talks about the aggressive growth of medieval Roman Catholicism and its influence in Protestant circles and the rise of Judaism and he also talks about Islam as well, but just kind of focusing on the The rise of the the Roman Catholicism and the the the the Jewish angle for a moment America now has its second Catholic president who's hard at work carrying out the Pope's political and economic agenda.

I was going to actually do this last week and I was going to talk about a Conference that was well as a virtual conference, I guess a zoom conference Vatican zoom conference. Here's a headline if you happen to be watching it, let's see.

Oh goodness. What do I have here an ad popping up? I don't want yes. So here's the headline the Vatican coronavirus conference features Fauci Francis and Aerosmith. This is from Fox News and this is a story from May 7th.

So it was from last week. It says the CEOs of vaccine makers Pfizer and Moderna joined Cardinals academics and a lead guitarist of Aerosmith and opening unique Vatican conference on kovat 19 of the global health threat threats and how science and solidarity and spirituality can address them and.

The.

Dr. Anthony Fauci was was one of the the presenters or the speakers at this conference and of course, so is Pope Francis and You know Pope Francis is a Jesuit. Anthony Fauci is a is Jesuit trained. He's not formally a Jesuit.

I was listening to a a piece by It was a podcast by Chris Pinto not too long ago. He he talked he used a term Jesuit of the short robe which apparently is a term that originated in the 19th century and it was used to describe somebody who wasn't maybe necessarily Formally part of the Jesuit order at least publicly, you know, who knows what really goes on but somebody who wasn't you know a Fully identified as a member of the Jesuits but somebody who is Jesuit influence somebody who is was Sympathetic to them and of course Anthony Fauci went to Jesuit school from his youth all the way through his undergrad years.

I Believe he went to Cornell. I think he went to Cornell for his medical degree. But he was was Jesuit trained all the way up through his his undergraduate. I know he went to Regis High School in in New York, and I believe he went to a Jesuit elementary school.

Then I also believe memory serves me correctly. He went to Holy Cross University which is also a Jesuit school. So, you know, you have this substantial influence I mean Anthony Fauci and and Pope Francis are basically an echo chamber.

And what's also very interesting too is with our second Roman Catholic president. Basically everything that that Joe Biden the policies that he's pursuing flooding the country with immigrants the Green New Deal.

Things like universal basic income he doesn't call the Biden hasn't called it that yet, but he's kind of pushing it off all this socialism. This is all stuff straight out of Pope Francis playbook. Essentially, you know, it seems like Joe Biden and the Democrats are trying to implement politically in the United States the Policy positions that that Pope Francis has laid out in his encyclicals and and what also other Popes have set forth prior to that.

So, you know you have this very strong Vatican influence that that is trying to really Assert itself in the United States and has been very successful Actually in doing that. So that's that's one side of it, you know, then the other side of it is is that Many evangelicals many have American evangelicals have been blinded.

By.

Dispensational eschatology they've been blinded both to the papal Antichrist and They have also Become obsessed with the state of Israel at the same time. And so what they do is they fail to understand that neither Roman Catholicism nor Judaism or Christianity that neither one of them are Have the necessary propositions to create or sustain a free society and as John Robbins noted in his essay as Forms of unbelief they are destroyers of the West.

You know, you're not going to to Save Western civilization. You're not going to save the United States of America. Christians are not by making alliances with with Roman Catholics and with Jews because they do not believe the necessary Ideas in order to be able to correct the problems that we have.

And in fact the ideas that are promoted by Individuals of both of those groups are destructive of the the principles of a free republic. Now we've talked a little bit about the the Roman Catholic influence on the United States.

Now this would take probably several programs if we would even explore that in depth. I just kind of very briefly went over a few things, but I also wanted to talk a bit about Israeli influence on the United States.