The History of Rock - Part 1 — Alan Ives

The History of Rock — Part 1

Did not, well, the generation before me, they did not at first play old music at all. It was rejected. One fellow said in 1955, it'll be gone by June. He meant within the year. This stuff will never stay.

Unfortunately, that, you know, is not true. It remains. Well, we're going to sing a couple things. I wonder if we should have this one off while we're singing and we'll use that. But, and we're going to actually do what for me as a review this morning.

I brought some posters, things that I collected in the 70s and 80s, 60s, 70s, 80s, and I never thought I would ever bring them out again. I found them packed in a large folder and I said, you know, the kids of today don't know what we knew and they didn't read what we read and have not seen what we saw.

And so, I'm going to help you see some things that everybody knew back in the 50s and 60s and 70s and so forth. But, we'll be turning to 1 Thessalonians 5. Before that, we'll sing a couple songs here this morning.

But, I, from the world's unrighteousness. And he is mine forever. I'm shelter protected. And he, the assurance march this morning.

Well, this is a, oh, 100-year-old gospel song that's a march. It's entitled A Shout of Victory. Thanks be to God which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. And so, there are no songs of defeat in the hymn book.

They're all songs of victory. That's the only place that anyone can find victory in the Lord Jesus Christ.

Follow the mighty commander. March on, march on. Jesus our captain and lord. March on, march on. See that your steps never falter. March on, march on. Beating is every word. There's a song that blends with prayer.

There's a shout up on the air. Tis a song of grace so free, of grace so free. Tis a shout of victory, victory. Fully singing hosanna, fighting the battle of faith. March on, march on. Manfully bearing his banner.

March on, march on. Faithfully even unto death. There's a song that blends with prayer. There's a shout up on the air. Tis a song of grace so free, of grace so free. Tis a shout of victory. Singing his glory and grace.

Faith, there is a song.

Well, we will do more later today. I get especially excited about coming out here because my family came from Pennsylvania, about an hour north of here. And the cousins moved right into Madisonville, and so half of that whole town.

I think it's still easy to say about half of that town are relatives of mine, and I'm sure glad there's a Bible-preaching church right around here. And I have even met several of the cousins and just met some others who have moved to New Jersey, but we met them, and they're interested in at least looking everyone up.

And we found some of them know the Lord, and some of them don't. But anyway, it's thrilling to hear that brass band, and I brought, I don't know how many are ready and printed, but I did bring what I found, except I didn't bring the Christmas arrangements there, and a separate crate.

And when you have a real, I need a drink of water, I guess. When you have a real group playing, that's when a composer or an arranger can really write. You can't write for imaginary groups and imaginary instruments, but when you hear them and they're real instruments, then you get excited about writing.

And so if we don't get them out this time around, we surely wanna come back and have an opportunity to rehearse some of those things and play them. It's absolutely thrilling. And as I said, real music is the only thing that's going to replace the imitation.

And we live in a society that is so entirely taken over with non-music, unmusical music. I'm not sure what to call it. Thank you. Now, let's see. I have, I promised you that I would bring out these things from the deep, dark past here, but maybe there'll be an eye opener to you.

Music’s Influence on Christian Attitudes

There is a reason, there is a battle, there is a cause, but there's a reason to play good music. And you may not recognize how absolutely an issue it is. It will change the attitude of Christians. And that's what we're going to look at, some things on that order.

But I said 1 Thessalonians 5, so let's go there. And this will be a rather light session as far as digging into the passages of scripture about the Bible. Some of them, a few of the verses and sessions will be familiar to you.

We really have about 100 different sessions on music, but Preacher said, go over some of the basics again for the new ones. And so if you recognize it and say, yes, I heard that before, that's good. You need to know it well enough so that you can teach it to others.

But 1 Thessalonians 5, and we got excited enough. I told my wife, we're too old to drive all night, but we drove all night. We couldn't get out of the house soon enough. And I said, we are going to get there.

But when a preacher and his people care about music, now that is thrilling to me. Where they don't care, we watch the destruction of the people's Christian life and the deterioration of the church, and eventually you don't have anything left.

But it's very, very sad. But 1 Thessalonians 5, in verse 22, we're gonna talk about this verse and we'll make a few references to things. When I show you these posters and things that I clipped out of newspapers in various places from the 70s and 80s, mostly.

So a few things from the 60s. But 1 Thessalonians 5, 22, read it with me and we'll pray. And then we'll look at these posters and talk about a few other things. Abstain, read it with me. Abstain from all appearance of evil.

Let's pray. And I'm just gonna list a bunch of things. People say, what's wrong with rock? And one fella said, well, it's got to be more than just some bad rhythms. Well, it is, and I'll give you a little list and we'll talk about them if you have questions later.

I'm sure we'll have time for questions today, this morning. But let's pray. Dear Father, bless thy word and bless these things. As we look at them, open our hearts to hear and see these truths and be thrilled, Lord, that we can be part of bringing praise to thy name on this earth where thou art not yet crowned king, but Lord, be the king of our life.

We give thee, Lord, reign in our life. We know someday thou will come back and rule and reign and because we're saved, we'll come back with thee. But Lord, we pray that thou would bless these sessions as we spend them, that it would be solidified in the hearts of everyone here to bring praise to thy name and to avoid those things, even that are an appearance of evil.

But bless our session now together in Jesus' precious name. Have thy way in our life. Give us help from on high and we'll thank thee and praise thee in Jesus' name, amen. I may read some quotes. I don't know if I recommend the book.

The Words and Philosophies of Rock Music

This is the great rock and roll quote book. This whole book is nothing but what rock and roll musicians said about rock. Some of them cannot even be read out loud, but I've highlighted a bunch and I'm just gonna pick some out and read them to you later because we will talk about that.

But what's wrong, what's wrong with rock and roll? What makes it wrong? And I just made a list here. Number one, the words. Now, that should be obvious to anyone who understands English or any language for that matter.

All right, when you look at the words, words mean something. And when God sent his son, Jesus Christ is called in John one, the word and the word was with God and the word was God. The Lord communicated to us through his son, the Lord Jesus Christ who went to the cross for us, but God speaks to us.

He gave us a book called the Bible. It is the written word of God. And so words mean something. And when it comes to God's word, it means eternal life for those that hear. Those that do not will perish and be gone for eternity for ignoring God's communication to us.

The words in rock and roll, until contemporary Christian music came out, the words in rock and roll were always missing Bible. They were full of everything except Bible. On purpose, they sang about other things.

They said, we are not going to live the life that we live as a Christian. And so we're going to sing about our gods, other things. And the words were definitely not Christian. We live what? By every word of God.

That's the only way you'll live and live right. It's the only way I can live and live right. And so if I listen to music that's full of something except or other than the word of God, it's not going to help me walk as a Christian.

So words make rock and roll rock, and words can make Christian music Christian. Some of the dissonance, and we'll listen to some examples this morning. Dissonance, unresolved disharmonies, unresolved conflict, and we'll talk about that when we talk about harmony.

Rock and roll is full of that, on purpose. Because there's no peace, saith my God, to the wicked. How about clothing? Did you know the clothing industry makes a lot of money giving their outfits to the rock stars and then kids look at it, and some older people, and say, oh, I want to dress like that.

There was a singer named Cindy Lauper, and she said, people used to throw stones at me because of the clothes that I wore, they hated it. She said, now they ask me where I bought it. Because she became a star, and people say, I want to dress like her, because that's neat.

Clothing, rock and roll makes a statement in clothing. The style and attitude, and we'll surely look at that, the attitude that singers have and rock musicians have, it comes out in their music, and that makes it rock.

And philosophy, we're gonna read some of that out of this book. Their philosophy's definitely not Christian. And then the actual beat, the beat of the music is different than the rhythm that you played in that band this morning.

You marched, but you did not rock. And they're opposites, we'll look at some of that. The backbeat, and the boogie-woogie, and what we call breakbeats, three Bs. And I put this list together because I said, I need to make music, now that I'm a new creature in Christ, I need to make music that is not the same as what I was making out in the world.

But if there's something that's good that I learned before I was a Christian, we want to keep that. But I found out what the difference is between good and bad music were, and I said, now I need to avoid some things.

Now, here's what's been forgotten, even if, even if, someone said, well, I don't believe that certain sounds are evil by themselves, and we will hope to prove that and teach that in the next two days.

The associations that rock and roll has had since the very beginning have all been evil. Now, you know I'm going somewhere with this. What's left of this poster, I laminated it, but it's just, it's in bad shape.

This is a little cartoon from the early 70s. But notice, they were not afraid to say what rock and roll music was all about. If you cannot read it from where you are, it says, the guitars that, well, those of you that can read it, that what?

Destroyed the world. And it looks fun, doesn't it, in a poster like that? It looks cute, except who's being trampled down below by these guitars? And I'm not against an electric guitar, but the purpose was to stomp out what America was and what America stood for.

It was a Christian nation. Our nation was built upon Christian principles, Bible principles, and even though there never was a time when everyone in America was saved, the way we run our society is according to Bible law.

And when rock and roll began, they said, we don't like what America is. We want it to be something different. They wanted to throw off 300 years plus of Bible-type thinking. And so this poster says that rock and roll was there to destroy us, to stomp out us.

Now, I collected these and I taught in the 70s and 80s, I got saved, and they said, well, can you preach about rock music? Not only tell us how you got saved, but tell us what's wrong with rock and roll.

And I had to start collecting some things, and so I did. Now, I didn't even realize, we're gonna talk too about what happened in the 60s. Now, I want you to see this, and whether you can find me or not, I'm in there.

That's a 1960s rock and roll band, all right? That's 50 years old now, almost, 45 years old. And we're still wearing coats and ties, and our hair, yeah, still clipped above our ears. Our hair is still short.

In the 1960s, we did not know what rock and roll would become. We were not old enough or smart enough to realize that we were going to help destroy the world, and I was not a Christian then. I wanted to make my living playing rock and roll.

I thought we were on our way to stardom and to, well, rich and famous and popular. That's what I said when I grew up. And we played a battle of bands in Neenah, Wisconsin, and we won it, and we went to Milwaukee for a state battle of the bands.

No, we did not win. But this got me all excited. I thought, we can be famous someday. We'll be rich, and we're going to write these songs, and everyone will know who we are. And they sure didn't spare anything printing up papers.

There's a picture of our band down in the corner, and right above us is the group that won. By the way, this fellow right here, that says Tony's Tigers, and they have some tiger jackets that they're wearing, and Tony had one hit.

And Tony's still bragging about and living off and advertising his one hit from 50 years ago. He never got any further, folks. That's it. And I'm sure he was excited, too. They were the winning band, and they thought they really had something.

But I started to clip out these various things, and we'll write, let's see, there's markers near here. We'll write this down and make a list, and we'll begin with this. It's just a little ad from the Seagram's company.

They're a liquor company, a liquor company. And it says this, Dance Fever, stirs with seven and seven. Seagram's seven and seven up. They mix the drink. Don't ask me to tell you more about it. I wouldn't even understand it, and I never tasted it, praise the Lord.

But Dance Fever, Dance Fever goes real good with liquor. And they're saying that, of course, that's rock and roll that they're talking about when they're talking about what they dance to. And so we'll write that down on the board.

But that's one of the friends of rock and roll is dancing and liquor. So when we get something to write on the board, we will do that. And just in case you were wondering when they mentioned Dance Fever, what they were talking about, they put out another ad.

This is from 1982, and it says, rock and roll stirs with seven and seven. Now we know what kind of music they're dancing to for sure. It's rock and roll. So rock and roll's friends so far are dancing and liquor.

Now, there's nothing wrong with 7-Up, except it's, well, it's full of sugar, but I couldn't have any of it anymore. But if I owned a 7-Up company, I wouldn't put my bottle next to a liquor bottle. You wouldn't get me to do that.

By the way, it says Dance Fever. If you've got a fever, are you well or are you sick? I don't want a fever. So we're gonna write. I'm not so sure that the younger generation knows this or understands much about it, and they don't take it very seriously if they do.

But rock and roll has some friends. And so as we said, Dance Fever. And we're gonna have some Bible verses for some of these things. And I'm just gonna write liquor. You know what, if I write that big, oh, we'll get it, we'll make it fit.

Here's one from a college newspaper. Those that were in journalism had to learn how to be a journalist. And so they had to make their own paper. And the fellow's writing on a brick wall here, and it says sex, drugs, and rock and roll.

Sex, drugs, and rock and roll. I don't know if you can get that one on there. Can you zoom in enough to actually read it? This is from 1980. I was already 30 years old when this came out. But notice, they were not afraid to say, rock and roll is all about sex.

And more than that, it's about illicit sex. It's about inordinate affections. But sex and drugs. So we're gonna write that down as well. And we'll explain some of these things from the Bible in just a moment.

So far, this doesn't look like the friends of rock and roll are very good friends. And we shall see that indeed they are not. And by the way, this is just the back of another article. It says rock and roll stirs with seven and seven.

There's another article. They were printing that all the time. It was easy to find. I didn't have to go searching very far. That this says sex, violence, and rock and roll rule in tubes concert. That's a name of a band at one time.

The Tubes. You thought it was toothpaste or a pipe, but it was a band. And you really can't see, and praise the Lord for that. But they're not dressed very modestly in these pictures. And they're crummy photographs.

They were probably singing in semi-darkness anyway. And it's a good thing. But along with sex, this time they mentioned violence. And the nudity is somewhat obvious from the articles. And so we're gonna write those things down.

I'm gonna write down nudity and violence. I think we have one more maybe. This was from 1981. I got out of rock and roll in 1971. So this is 10 years after I was out. This is a cover of one of those cheapo albums where you buy the hits sung by unfamous people so you can get them real cheap.

But anyway, this album, LP album, used to have 12 songs, six on a side. And you put a needle down on it, and it played the songs one at a time. But anyway, it's hard to believe. If you're young, but this is called what?

The Idols of Rock and Roll. The Idols of Rock and Roll, I-D-O-L. And indeed, young people do worship the singers. And they worship the music. It has to do with their gods. And we'll talk about that in a little bit.

So one more, we'll write down. And then we're gonna look these up and make some comments about them. These are friends of rock and roll. I'm sure there's a few others. But that's a good list or a bad list.

Biblical Warnings About Rock Music’s Associations

A good start on a bad topic here. But I'm just gonna take them one at a time here now. Let's go to Dance Fever, first of all. If you remember Exodus 32. In Exodus 32, it was God's people who danced around a golden calf that day.

They did this in God's name. They had a feast day unto the Lord. I think it says in verse six. And they were very religious about it. But when Moses came down with Joshua from the mountain, he had the 10 commandments in his hand.

It says, and it came to pass in verse 19, as soon as he came nigh unto the camp, that he saw the calf and the dancing. What happened when Moses saw that? He'd just been with the Lord. And Moses' anger waxed hot.

As soon as he saw that calf, which was an idol, and we're getting ahead of ourselves, and the dancing, he was angry. Cast the tables out of his hands and break them beneath the mount. And so we see from Exodus 32, the dancing here was displeasing to the Lord, even though it was God's people doing this in Jesus' name.

Oops, I wonder if that's not dark enough. But Exodus 32. And since it mentioned the idols, I'm gonna write that here too. We may have more than one reference. But it's definitely against God. The Lord said in verse eight of Exodus 32 that the people had corrupted themselves.

This was not good. This was not acceptable. It also mentions that the people sat down to eat and to drink. And history tells us that they had gotten drunk. And so we'll put Exodus 32 by liquor, but I actually have a different verse picked out, and there's many.

But just reading the one terrible story of the children of Israel that day goes a long way, I guess. But let's take liquor. How about Proverbs 18, 23? Let's turn there. It's good if we see it ourselves.

And maybe you've heard all these verses before, and there are more. We're just picking one on each subject, really. Proverbs 18 and verse 23. Our preacher read these to us and read them to us so we would not forget.

I got the wrong reference. Once you know it, that's what I wrote down, but that is not right. I wonder if it's next page. 21, I don't know why I have. So Proverbs 20 and verse one. And of course it says, wine is a mocker and strong drink is raging and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.

There's another verse that mentions when we put the bottle to our brother's lips, we ought not to. So these are turning out to be not very good friends when we look them up. Now we get to the one that says sex.

And I think of Hebrews 13 and verse four so that we understand it right. And God always says things the way we need to hear them. But Hebrews 13, four says marriage, husband and a wife. Marriage is honorable in all and the bed undefiled.

There is a place where physical activity is pure and it's in a marriage. God means for it to be enjoyed by a husband and wife, but outside of marriage, it is what we call fornication or adultery. Marriage is honorable in all and the bed undefiled, but whoremongers and adulterers, God will judge.

I mentioned the word fornication. The Bible says to flee fornication. Do you know that word fornication? And you can see the letters are almost the same. It's the same word that we use today usually to describe photographs or movies of people without their clothes on.

Pornography, fornication, pornography. They're very, very dangerous. People get involved in them and they become an addiction to them. But again, this is when people are wrapped up in their thoughts of sex outside of marriage.

Within marriage, it is holy and it's sacred, but outside of marriage, it's against God. And rock and roll was all about flaunting sex just as much as they could. How about drugs? In the book of Revelation, it mentioned something about the devil and that's 18 in verse 23.

Revelation 18 and verse 23. These are the friends of rock and roll. And here we read about the city of Babylon that's going to be destroyed and so forth. And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee for thy merchants were the great men of the earth for by thy sorceries.

That has to do with witchcraft, doesn't it? Sorceries were all nations deceived. And I probably cannot pronounce it right, but in the Greek, it's either pharmakia or pharmakia where we get our word pharmacy.

What do they sell at a pharmacy? Drugs. And it says here that Satan will deceive and has deceived the whole earth. All the nations were deceived by it. And that's what's happening. We have people that are so full of drugs that they cannot think right about anything.

And it's something the devil has used. They used to say back in the 60s when the rock music was what we call new, that if you took drugs, you would expand your mind. And what happened is young people took it and they blew their mind.

They lost their mind. One famous musician who was the head of a rock and roll band called the Beach Boys took drugs for a while and he admitted, and I have it on tape at home, but he said, I blew my mind.

I destroyed my mind with drugs. And after that, he always spoke with slurred speech and not very coherent, not very tied together thoughts. They're kind of sketchy. It was a horrible experience for him.

Others, it just plain killed them. They didn't expand their mind at all. They didn't learn anything. They didn't grow. They simply were chemically twisting their mind and causing things to happen in their body.

But these things, again, they belong to the world. They belong to Satan. We mentioned nudity and nakedness. You can read of that in the Bible, but we read, of course, and I think I forgot to write the verse down on that one, but that we're to be clothed in modest apparel.

We have sinful flesh and so we cover it up. We are proud of what we are. We are not proud of the fact that we're sinners, but I think it's Leviticus 18 that mentions all the discovering nakedness of others.

But when they danced around the golden calf, we can put Exodus 32 there also. The people were naked, it says. They tore their clothes off. This is one of the friends of rock and roll. Some young people said one time, brother Ives, that's not true.

It doesn't affect us that way. And I said, we have lost our modesty. Some other preachers have said, we don't know how to blush anymore. We don't know how to be embarrassed when something is out of line.

And we don't have any shame about it. And the rock and rollers will tell you that's what we're trying to get rid of. We don't care if people wear no clothes. That's wonderful, that's fine. But God says that's not fine.

It is sin. How about violence? Violence. In Ezekiel 28 and verse 16. Ezekiel 28 and verse 16. We read something about the devil himself. And by the way, you notice it pops up in these various verses, because he's the mastermind behind all these terrible things.

But verse 13 says of the devil, I think I have a wrong reference again. It's just a few later. 16. No, I did it. I wrote it down, right? I said verse 13. But by the multitude of thy merchandise, they have filled the midst of thee with violence and thou hast sinned.

Therefore, I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God, and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub from the midst of the stones of fire. When people are so angry that they explode into violence, uncontrollable, anger-vented, that's always a dangerous thing.

Turn with me to Matthew 11 and verse 12. Matthew 11 and verse 12. When it comes to religion, let's see what we see about violence. It says, and from the days of John the Baptist until now, the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence.

People fight on this earth to try and say, ours is the right church, and we will kill you if you don't become one of us. Now, thank God Baptists never do that. We take the sword of the Spirit, and we take the Bible, and we try to teach people and instruct them with the love of God and compassion for their soul, but we never threaten anybody's life.

We never seek to harm someone to get them to listen to the gospel. Thank God for that. But the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force. There are church groups who have tortured people and have killed people, tied them up in sacks and thrown them in the water.

The Roman system, the Roman Catholic Church has been guilty of that down through the ages, and violence is a mark of the devil. When violence is there, and so Matthew 11, 12 mentions it in the religious realm, and idols.

I have one other verse on idols besides what we found in Exodus 32. Back in Exodus 20, those 10 commandments that Moses went to get while the people were dancing and drinking and tearing their clothes off around the golden calf.

In Exodus 20, one of the commandments, of course, the great commandment, is thou shall have no other gods before me. Verse three of Exodus 20. Exodus 20 and verse three. Now there may be other friends that rock and roll has, but let me ask you this, just from that list, does rock and roll have any good friends?

Not a one. Even if there were nothing wrong with the beat and the style of the music, and there is, but if there were not, by our verse from 1 Thessalonians 5, we ought to leave it alone. Every friend of rock and roll is evil.

You say, well, I don't believe in those things. I don't follow those things. If you stay with the rock and roll crowd, that's where you will be led. Now, one more question. Why would any generation of Christians think that music that's in good company with all these sins would be good to use to teach someone else about a sinless God and about a God who died for our sins?

Would this paint a proper picture of a God who is holy, holy, holy? Not this kind of music. I tell people, I think, I suppose to my shame, that I probably still know more about rock and roll than I know about good music.

If I thought for one minute that I could honestly praise the God who washed me from my sins in his own blood, if I could praise God with rock music, I would do it. I even wrote Gospel rock music. Rock songs.

I took Bible verses and set them to rock songs that I knew and experimented with them, and I could not come up with anything that was right and anything that was proper. I found that I had to have a better music than pop music, a better music than rock and roll to praise God and worship God with.

And I found it. The hymn book was full of it. And I haven't learned them all yet. Anybody wanna guess? I don't remember if I told you I was here, what, four, is it four years now? Four years? Did we ever go through that?

How many hymns have been written in praise to the Lord? Anybody? Just venture a guess. Somebody? How many hymns do you think? How many hymns are in your hymn book? That's a good place to start. Okay. So living hymns is 800.

You know it's gotta be more than that because there's more than one hymnal. Now, someone wanna give an educated guess based on that? Go ahead, be brave. You don't win anything, but you don't lose either, and you won't be, yes, sir?

50, 60, 70 ,000, you're thinking? Okay, we have a guess at 50, 60, 70 ,000. Mrs. Ives, you may not guess. She does that all the time. You have to watch out for her. But anybody else wanna make a guess?

Go ahead, be brave. Songs, hymns, and praise of the Lord. We have a guess at, well, 60's right in the middle. Nobody else even wants to guess, huh? For fun. We do that with our love offerings when we go down the road before we open it.

What do you think it is? 50, 60, 70 ,000 dollars in? That's right. We do that all the time. Well, I don't know what, I don't remember what my guess was, but I read 450 ,000 hymns. We could spend our whole life learning them.

They will cover all kinds of doctrine. Well, we need to talk about that. We will. So I'm going to leave this, the friends of rock and roll, and that's just by way of introduction. Let's listen to some of their philosophies, and I'm just, this is Carnie Wilson.

Rock Musicians’ Testimonies About Rebellion and Self-Destruction

Her father was the head of the Beach Boys. And she said, we all come from dysfunctional families. Once upon a time, we didn't even know what that word was. A family that can't work together, a family that can't function together.

We all come from dysfunctional families, and these days, I guess that's pretty normal. It might be prevalent, it might be widespread, but that sure is not normal. Mom and dad are supposed to work together.

We're two sinners, but if we know the Lord, we can work out those difficulties. We might have the conflict, the disharmony, but we can solve it with prayer. And Bible, we can say, I'm sorry. We can say, please forgive me.

We can settle those things. Here's what Frank Zappa said, and he's dead and gone now. He had a terrible group that sang out of tune, and I don't know why. He was a doctor of music. The typical rock fan isn't smart enough to know when he's being dumped on.

In other words, you say, we're giving you garbage, and you're not even smart enough to know it's garbage. He was smart enough to know it was garbage. I think of another man who arranged music for rock and roll groups.

When he married a rock and roll star, and I forget his name, he would not let her listen to any rock and roll music. He said, there will be no rock music in our home. That's my business, but you're my wife, and we will not talk about it or have anything to do with it anymore.

He was still a mess, trying to live two lives at the same time. Bob Dylan said, just because you like my stuff doesn't mean I owe you anything. I never liked his stuff. Tom Waits, and I don't know what band he played in, said, on my gravestone, I wanted to say, I told you I was sick.