Now What? Processing and Responding to Charlie Kirk's Assassination

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Called you up yesterday evening Got a disconnected line

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Think I know just what you're feeling

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Always been a friend of mine Watched them strip you of your virtue

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I saw the strain they made you bear They took advantage of your promise

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And kept your God out of your prayer America, I still love you

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Cause I'm a grandson of this place Mississippi to Ohio I got roots beneath the

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Jamestown And I don't wanna see your name erased Last weekend

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Playing baseball in a field For the game they sang your anthem

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Just know that most of us still love you We'd take a bullet for Charlie Kirk's R .I

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.P Won't see you put to shame

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America, I still love you Cause I'm a grandson of this place

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Mississippi to Ohio I got roots beneath the Jamestown And I don't wanna see your name erased

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Submitting this letter we share

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I've never seen you run from danger Always went where no one dared

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So I hope to see you sometime When soaring eagles touch the sky

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For what you're here for I promise

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I'll be by your side America, I still love you

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Cause I'm a grandson of this place Mississippi to Ohio I got roots beneath the

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Jamestown America, I still love you

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I'm just a grandson of this place Well you've been down a couple rounds

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But when you wake they'll hit the ground We'll see you again

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Welcome to the Conversations That Matter podcast I'm your host John Harris It's a sober day

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The last two days have been sober days for all of us Two and a half days

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Ever since I was live streaming on, now the days are running together, Wednesday I guess it was

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And we received the news in the middle of the live stream that Charlie Kirk had been shot I saw the shot and the result of that I saw the video early

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I wasn't expecting to see such a graphic video I think many of you were in the same position I was

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Isn't it someone's job to censor that, right? But it was so soon that no one had put any restrictions on it

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And so we got to see it And I knew right away that he was likely dead I saw the amount of blood he lost

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I saw where it hit And I just couldn't see how he would survive Of course, this is during the podcast that this is all going down And a number of high -profile accounts on social media that would have access to the knowledge about what was happening to Charlie Kirk started weighing in and saying that actually he was stabilized

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He was conscious And I think it was within 25 minutes of hearing those initial reports that we received the news that actually, no, he had passed away

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And so there was this hope There was this little window of hope we had And I just thought, man, if he is stabilized that is a miracle

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Because I just can't see how it's possible And we lived through that It is traumatic to live through that even if you weren't there

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You saw it with your eyes I think this week has been particularly hard because we were on Monday greeted with the full video

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It was leaked, I guess of the situation down in Charlotte which

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I podcasted so much about We're not going to talk about it too much But seeing that does something

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It traumatizes you in some level At least it should, I think It's not fake stuff

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It's not a video game It's not special effects Someone died And then to see

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Charlie Kirk die within two days of seeing that video is just overwhelming

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It's overwhelming seeing evil Knowing that there's evil And I think that's the main takeaway that people have right now

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They know, even if they don't believe in the Christian God They don't know if the

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Bible is true They do know one thing right now Most people They know there is such a thing as evil

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And as I've said, if there is evil that means there must be good And if there is good, there has to be a

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God And his law, of course, as Romans 1 says is embedded, reflected

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It is stored on some level within our own hearts

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We know that evil exists We have a knowledge of it because God has placed it within us

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We have a moral law that screams at us that demands that there be justice

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Because we know that there's a God And he has attributes He's holy, he's righteous, he's powerful

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And if he's powerful and righteous evil must be punished And it will be It will be punished

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And so we pray for it on this earth We pray for justice We also know if justice doesn't happen on this earth, there is a final stage

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There is a judge ultimately after this short life who will judge all of us according to our deeds

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And those who are not in Christ will be standing alone They will have no excuse for the sins that they've committed

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And I think Christians can take great comfort in that Matthew and I talked about that on the American Churchman podcast a little bit last

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Tuesday But there's a lot of talk right now in a lot of different directions

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I've received, I think, more messages the last two days about What can

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I do, John? What is it that I'm supposed to do now that Charlie Kirk has been assassinated? It seems like we've entered a new paradigm

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Doesn't seem like talking to the left is even going to work anymore

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He was the last one that seemed at least on a national scale like he was willing and able to talk to the left

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Others have tried I don't think as successfully as Charlie Kirk He was the best at doing what he did

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Even guys like Ben Shapiro or Stephen Crowder Others who have more from a, you know the right, semi -conservative viewpoint have tried to go to college campuses and either it's comedic or they come off arrogant

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It's just not the same I don't know what to tell you Charlie Kirk had this demeanor that was very convictional

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He knew there was truth He knew what he stood for He cared about people though at the same time and there was this humility and it was a wonderful balance to see in someone

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And if that guy who was so nice who could disagree in such a diplomatic way while caring about someone

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If he was shot If he was unacceptable Well, what does it mean for the rest of us, right?

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I know I'm not always as diplomatic as Charlie Kirk You probably feel the same way

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If he's not acceptable If he can't operate on a college campus where it's supposed to be a free speech zone

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You're literally there because the whole point is to learn Even if that learning is in the process of navigating conflicting viewpoints

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That's the place you do it And if you can go to a state university and be shot while engaging in such a charitable manner

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What does that mean for our country? I know this is one of the big questions and I know there's many other questions

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I know many people who don't feel like they have power to do anything about this but feel like they have a responsibility and they need to do something are having a very hard time

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And I want to speak to you because there are things you can do Actually, I just wrote an article about it It's not published yet but it should be published within the next few days on TruthScript And it really came out of some conversations

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I had with people I've just I've been receiving random calls from a number of people the last few days Some of them

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I haven't spoken to for a while just asking me John, what am I supposed to do right now? And so I wrote something to help navigate that question

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But I think the last time I had as many questions about that was the contested election of 2020

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So I'm going to read through that article and talk about it We'll talk about this shooter a little bit

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I spent hours this morning trying to figure out motive and all of that And I don't want to get into all the details

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I had in the early afternoon a plan to do a comparative analysis of the two major theories about what motivated this particular shooter

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And I've decided to scrub that I am going to show you a little bit of evidence

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And of course, I am leaning towards this seemed like someone who was radicalized on the left I've always felt that the whole day or I've thought that but there were some moments of being tenuous about it

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There was certainly a narrative out there and it seemed to have a little bit of merit that maybe this was someone who was radicalized in a different direction

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At least that's what people were saying More on a right wing kind of well, like the other shooter on Wednesday which we'll talk about or like the

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Buffalo shooter which I might give a personal story about because I actually have two degrees of separation, if you will with that particular shooter

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And that was someone who was unapologetically out there to kill racial minorities

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And this is a few years ago But despite that despite what happened on Wednesday it is without a doubt overwhelming the level of violence the left commits when compared to those on the quote unquote right

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Overwhelming It's, I mean, all you have to do is compare

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January 6th which the left still is screaming about with the

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BLM riots the largest insurance payout in the history of this country bigger than any hurricane It's no contest, really

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All humans are capable though of sin, right? And there are certain ideologies that justify it more

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The left justifies it because if you're a hater, a bigot, an evil person you're dehumanized

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You don't matter Once you start taking classes of people and dehumanizing them meaning saying they have less of the image of God or maybe there is no image of God We're all animals and we can get rid of the elements that are holding society back because they're just all guilty

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They're guilty because of their identity not because of their crime That's very much against God's law, isn't it?

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And I see stuff like that taking root even on the right but the left is known for it The left,

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I mean, I went I have a university education and I don't even have it queued up but some of you have seen the college professors

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There was one account on X that was just taking inventory of college professors who are celebrating the death of Charlie Kirk and saying, how do these people stay on a state payroll?

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They need to be fired and that's absolutely true and I'm thankful for the people who are doing that I'd like to think that that's a minority but and I'm sure it is a minority but it's too sizable of a minority,

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I'm sure The left has been like this for a long time

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Think of weather underground from the 1960s and remember Obama's connection to Bill Ayers and all of that There's still this element on the left that if they can't win an argument if they can't get there through boats they'll get there through bullets

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Even though they're against the second amendment and all of that, that's still present

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There's a revolutionary mindset We don't want to wait around It takes too long

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Let's take care of business and Charlie Kirk was effective and I have to think that played into why he was assassinated

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So I want to talk a little bit about Charlie Kirk and then we'll get into all of this other stuff Let's play this video

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This video might be a little hard for you to hear I think the volume was a little low It's a reel though I saw on Facebook and I want you all to hear

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This is Charlie Kirk I know there's a lot of tributes out there but this one I thought was particularly revealing about his motives for doing what he did on college campuses

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So here's Charlie Kirk at one of his events I don't know what university this is but it was posted

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I think right after his passing by Turning Point USA You know what it is?

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The people in this audience are smart and they're panicking that they're not going to have a country They're the first generation since George Washington to have it worse off than their parents

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This generation is the most depressed, suicidal, anxious, drug addicted, lowest home ownership, poorest, most overweight, directionless

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No, I mean, again, these are, I mean, this is true and also this generation around you has something very unique Almost everyone in this audience here had their prom canceled because of COVID Had their graduation ceremonies canceled

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Probably lost a friend to suicide because of all the lockdowns and they are looking for a country that they can believe in that they can live in So I'm not going to take credit for it

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These are forces greater than us We just happen to be at the right place at the right time Thank you Sorry, I was muted there

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There you have Charlie Kirk explaining some of his motivation for why he goes on campuses and does what he does and the kind of people he's trying to reach which are young people

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They're Zoomers now who are in college and he describes, I think, their situation perfectly He was effective at reaching

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Zoomers He understood the plight that they were in He understood the conditions that held them back from achieving what the generations that came before them were able to achieve, at least their parents

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He knew the kinds of instability and drug dependency and economic factors and he went with them with really two messages,

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I would say Maybe he would say one, I don't know I divide it into two, though I think that he went there with, especially initially, a message of conservative which

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I think initially meant mostly free market solutions reflecting the creative order, more or less, in gender how we arrange society to accommodate the two genders anti -abortion

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So there was a social conservative element there and a strong foreign policy, pro -guns, pro -gun rights,

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I should say I think those were the things that he brought So it was a message of American freedom but I would maybe put a finer point on it and call it an ordered liberty

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He had an ordered liberty that he thought was far superior to the BLM narrative, to the gender theories that kids were getting in college to the communism that they were imbibing

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He had an alternative that was a better way to live And I saw this in real time from a distance

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So in some way, someone asked if I had ever met Charlie And no, I have not met Charlie Kirk The yellow kazoo asked that, did you ever meet him?

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I did not I got close a few times, kind of So I knew someone before he got super big who also knew him and had him over to their house and everything

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And we were mutual friends So I was over at this person's house And they really wanted to introduce me to Charlie Kirk It just never happened

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I said I was open to it, but I wasn't a huge Charlie Kirk fan And I'll explain that in a moment I'm much more so now, but I'll explain why

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And I've had other friends I still have other friends, many actually, who have met him or are friends with him

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So there was a one degree of separation there But I never did meet him

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So anyway, Charlie Kirk was going with this message of ordered liberty to the college campuses

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He was recruiting voters He was getting Zoomers interested in politics

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I looked at a lot of what Turning Point USA was doing I had my own term for it I called it spring break conservatism

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I don't know if anyone else has used that term I know I came up with it But I don't know if anyone else has also independently come up with it

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But it was much more lax, right? Because before Charlie Kirk, you had the Young Republicans You had

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Young America's Foundation Trying to think what else you had But they were very buttoned up, kind of suit and tie

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Judd Saul pointed this out to me actually a few weeks ago We were talking about it And I was like, you're right I listened to those podcasts

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I was somewhat in that world You had the Leadership Institute right in DC And they are still organizations that are a little more

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I would say academically focused But let's just say there are a lot of nerds And there's nothing wrong with that We need our nerds

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Some people have called me a nerd But they attracted people who were very good at analyzing data

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And knowing history in very thorough ways

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And Charlie Kirk came along And he disrupted all of that in a way Like he brought something new

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He packaged everything differently To be more of a casual conversation

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What he did on college campuses It wasn't, you know, he'd have a t -shirt on He'd throw out hats to the crowd

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It felt like summer camp, right? Some of the things that Turning Point did early on I kind of scratched my head at I probably even went after some of them on the podcast

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Because they were just kind of odd I'll put it that way But the organization shifted

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And I remember the shift Because in 2020, I was at CPAC And at CPAC at that time, this wasn't

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Charlie But Turning Point USA, their booth had rainbow flags And I just thought, I don't really

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That's not my thing I'm not with these guys Something happened though the next year

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I think 2021 is when I started seeing this Charlie Kirk I don't know if he took his faith more seriously

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He became more grounded I don't know exactly what it was But he started becoming more and more

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Outspoken about his Christianity Overtly so To the point that by the time he passed away

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He was an evangelist He was going to these college campuses And he was spreading the gospel of Jesus Christ Just as much as he was political views

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And his political views also changed A few years ago, I criticized Charlie Kirk For views that he held

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Probably 2018 to 2020 Somewhere in that time frame Where he was saying that freedom, liberty

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The American conservative concept of freedom Meant gay marriage was essentially permissible

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And I think he did it on the Dave Rubin show One of the clips that I play There was a few clips But something changed

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Because there were clips people were sending me When I did that episode Even then where Charlie Kirk was saying

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If not the opposite Something that was at least on its way To being the opposite And by the time he passed away

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He certainly was saying the opposite That the Obergefell decision was bad His social conservatism grew

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It became much more socially conservative And he started overtly using the Bible As his reference

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His source of authority And it was such a wonderful thing to see It really was

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So I'm not someone who's never been critical I suppose I have in the past But I would say in the last three years

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There's been there was so much growth with him That every clip I saw I think Charlie Kirk and I were pretty close

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As far as how we looked at the political scene I didn't see anything

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I disagreed with really He was I think a humble man Now I wasn't watching every clip

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I don't know everything he said But I just saw a demeanor That wanted to reach young people

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That truly cared about them And loved his wife Loved his kids A man who seemed to walk with God Who spent time in the word

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Getting to know it That was evident from the way That his Bible knowledge just increased exponentially And that's sort of my view of Charlie Kirk Really nice guy

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And someone that I wish I would have been able to meet Right? I think I would have If he had gone on living

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I think at some point We would have crossed paths probably Because I do have so many mutual friends with him

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But we didn't And that just means we're gonna have to meet each other in heaven And I'm looking forward to that very much

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I think it's hard to see any young man I was actually surprised he was 31 I did not know that I thought he was around my age

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I'm 36 I just turned 36 So I was like, wow, he's younger than me And then you ask the question

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Well, what am I doing with my life? Right? It's like what a 31 And he's accomplished so much

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I think he was a brilliant person He was very diplomatic He was able to make friends

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But also make the right enemies And one of the things that I noticed about him

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Was he You have a lot of these big Eva guys That I've been critical of praising him

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Guys who I don't think agreed with everything that he stood for And yet Charlie Kirk It hit me

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He is more of a Christian leader In the minds of people in this country than they were

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Your big celebrity pastors Charlie Kirk was probably more of a Christian influence than they were

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And I just started thinking about that And I thought, you know Charlie Kirk never went through the typical mechanisms

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You're supposed to go through Because he came from the political world And he didn't go through the education route

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He doesn't even have a college degree The only thing I mean, I was at Liberty University When I saw him and Jerry Falwell Jr.

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Form the Falkirk Center Which fell apart very quickly It's now the Freedom Center And it's a great organization

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But Jerry Falwell Jr. Obviously was gone after the scandals And Charlie Kirk was gone soon after that But that was

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I thought that was an odd pairing at the time So I thought, well, Charlie Kirk's from the political world But he became more and more focused on Christianity Even turning point having their pastors conference

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And him platforming so many pastors and Christian speakers And I think that's a wonderful thing, actually

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That he promoted the gospel He promoted Christianity He was an evangelical

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I believe he went to a Calvary chapel If I'm not mistaken I had heard that from mutual friends

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His pastor and him had become very close In the last few years And they were working together He was being discipled

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And he did not go through the typical gatekeepers That, you know, you know what

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I'm talking about Those who listen to this podcast Most of you followed my critiques of Big Eva You know exactly what

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I'm talking about Where you have to kind of pay your dues You have to ingratiate yourself to those in authority over you

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At seminary If you go to seminary Or in the mainstream big church or institution And once you do that It opens up levels of access to higher platforms

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And if you do the right thing in 10 years, maybe You can be a mega church pastor

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But you got to play your cards right And unless you're Baptist, they don't play cards But you have to make the right decisions

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And the right associations To get into the cool kids crowd

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And sit at the big table Charlie Kirk didn't care about any of that Because he was never He just, he kind of bypassed all of that And then he was in the position of choosing

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Who to platform at some of the biggest National Christian conferences And it just, it dawned on me the last few days

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That's the ticket That's the way to do it It doesn't matter what they Just follow Christ, okay

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This is it Follow Christ Be obedient to him In whatever platform you have

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It might be the battle of Bedford Falls Or it might be Charlie Kirk level stuff It might be the battle for America And you're going to college campuses

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I just had a note before this From someone who says pray for me I'm thinking of going to my local campus I think that's wonderful I used to do a lot of evangelism

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On college campuses And after this, I've been thinking that I need to, I need to do that That's where it's at Of course,

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I'm also thinking I need a security guard with me But that, exactly

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If you're going to follow his example That's what to do, right It's not to stop the conversation It's to try to continue it

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And in the safest way you can But don't stop As Christians, our mission never stops

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We're in the world We're not of it We have to go and preach the gospel That means leftist guys, every creature

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They need it too And they do convert sometimes The Lord does work in their hearts, okay And be obedient If you're someone sitting

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In a seminary classroom right now Or a large Christian institution And you kept your mouth shut

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You're waiting around to be platformed and so forth I would encourage you to re -evaluate that There are other ways now

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To gain a hearing, gain an audience What did Jesus do? He went around all of Galilee and he preached

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He preached the gospel of the kingdom And he had his disciples He mentored them

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He never went through the religious establishment And I would say the religious establishment now I've just concluded over time

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It is so rotten in our country Be like Charlie Kirk Be like Charlie Kirk Now if you have opportunities that open up I'm not saying to say no to them

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I'm just saying don't wait around for People that have little virtue To take notice of you

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In fact if you have virtue You likely won't get to the place of authority In any of these institutions Be a faithful pastor

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Be a faithful speaker Be a faithful podcaster Be a faithful father Be a faithful business owner Whatever it is you're doing

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Do it to the glory of God It's really that simple He focused on the people who needed

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The gospel message the most too I think of Jesus going to the tax gatherers And the harlots

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And Charlie Kirk did something similar He went to the college campuses And he tried to persuade them That was his weapon was persuasion

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And he was pretty good at it He had a great recall of facts I'm jealous of that a little

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Not in a bad way I feel like I read so much The other day I was reading something That I had written a few years ago

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And I thought to myself Wow this is brilliant stuff Not to be self -aggrandizing But I thought this is amazing

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And I forgot who wrote it for a second I'm like who wrote this? I'm like oh right

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I did But I can't remember any of it So I'm rediscovering it I think most of us are like that to some extent

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I think Charlie Kirk wasn't though He had a great recall of facts He could learn something and he had it

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He could retain it Which is amazing And he also was very clear thinking

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He had some natural abilities But he wasn't an academic And I could tell that by watching him

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He wasn't someone who was doing Like deep research on things And he was a common guy

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And he knew that And our college campuses now Frankly especially in undergrad

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That is the level that you're going to speak to people at He knew his audience well And I would encourage you to That's another lesson

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Know your audience Know which audience God wants you to reach And then reach them in the way

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He wants you to reach them And I think for a lot of us That's going to mean on some level persuasion

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So learn some of that Learn how to be persuasive So those are a few thoughts about Charlie Kirk I'll take some comments

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And then I want to talk about the shooter I want to get to some of the big EVA reactions I only have a few

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And then last but not least I'm going to get to the article That I wrote for TruthScript on what now How shall we then live?

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I've had more people ask me that And I've given you a little clue As to where I'm going But yes

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I'm going to talk about force and power And violence and all of that as well But I want to save that towards the end

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So if you have a question Put a question mark by it

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And I will know it's a question And that'll be easy for me to get to it The yellow kazoo says

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I met him three times Well good for you He must have gone to his events That's great Mark says on the same day

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Charlie Kirk was murdered Over 3 ,000 innocent babies were murdered through abortion Love your neighbor for the womb

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Amen absolutely true Cosmic Treason says we can urge the feds

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To label the DNC, ActBlue, BLM, and Antifa As terrorist organizations And charge all their donors

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With giving material aid to terrorists Well I am curious about what kind of connections

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We're going to be able to uncover I'm hoping with this gentleman Was it

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Tyler Robinson I think is his name And everything that he was involved with And I would agree if we find

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We got to find these connections But I think there's more we can do too Even without those connections

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We can retrieve something called treason That actually Congress has the authority to punish

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And we're going to talk about that later In the podcast a little bit Let's see

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Texan Shepherd says I'm a pastor And Sunday morning I'm preaching from Ephesians 6 10 through 14 It's time for believers to take a stand

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For the truth and stop being quiet cowards Stand up, speak out, stand firm in the Lord Stormy Squad asks can we get a list of companies

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Firing the people celebrating So we can give them our business I don't know if you want to do that for everyone

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Because I think I saw that MSNBC actually fired someone Who was saying initially that This might be someone who was just rejoicing

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In exuberance over Charlie Kirk at a rally And accidentally shot him I think that was the person they fired

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And I remember I saw that I thought What does this person think Has he ever met a conservative

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Does he think that if you go to a conservative rally Everyone just has guns And they're shooting them everywhere Is it just the wild west

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I mean talk about out of touch It's incredible So let's

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Have you heard here One more question Have you heard that he and his family Were attending catholic mass I have and that's fake

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Yes that is fake That his wife had a rosary None of that's true from what

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I understand I saw that right before the podcast actually So pretty sure that's not true So yeah don't buy everything

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I've seen so much disinformation today It's overwhelming in fact I think

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I actually by the way I retweeted a photo earlier I'm not going to take it down But it was someone selling a doll looking thing

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Of Charlie Kirk being assassinated Selling it and laughing about it You know and all this

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And I just thought that's horrible This is why I'm not a free speech absolutist Meaning that every kind of speech is always permissible

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I actually think there's such things as treason And you have blasphemy laws I think those things have always been in effect

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It's a basic standard But you can't have If you have a public square If you have a medium for communication

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You can't undermine that medium Is basically the idea there And so that is a direct undermining

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That is it's egregious And anyway it may have been AI generated Someone messaged me and said

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I think that's AI generated And I'm thinking wow AI is getting pretty good then But there were so many other things

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I saw today Related to Charlie Kirk that I know were not true

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So especially Tyler Robinson This gentleman who I don't think I can call him a gentleman

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This evil wicked person who assassinated Charlie Kirk And screenshots of him here or there

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Or speaking videos of him speaking at events And none of them were him And we just got to be careful of that In the fog of war

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I mean it was so much It was like the beginning of Remember the worst example of this Was the beginning of the

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Ukrainian war Ukrainian -Russian war Where you had all these fake stories

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In the fog of war at the beginning And I saw something similar today out there Okay so let us continue here

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One last question Okay this is seriously the last question Very thankful for Charlie Kirk's life influence Also very thankful for your podcast

36:46

John Is there a problem in the church if our generation Is so heavily dependent upon online Christian influences? Yes in a sense

36:53

I mean there is a dependency To some extent I was seeking to fulfill When I started my podcast

36:59

Not that I thought I'd ever get any real traction I just thought for my specific school Which was

37:04

Southeastern I wanted them to be accountable for things That were happening there And no one else was going to do it

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And I had gone through what I thought Were the proper channels And talked to professors And no one was going to do it And it sort of left me in this place

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Of being a supplemental voice And I still see myself as a supplemental voice But I think things are changing a bit

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The landscape has changed The situation's changed And I've become a little more of a generalist And as I become more involved in ministry

37:30

And focused in that direction You're going to see a lot more I think Bible content And ministry related content

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And then just general news content also Although I keep an eye on Big Eva I always keep that eye open

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But at this point I just I'm so disgusted with The evangelical industrial complex

37:52

Because the people that are in power Retain that power Even if you expose them

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I was behind in part at least Some of the documentaries That have been coming out David Platt, J .D.

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Greer These things are so damning They should take those guys Out of a position of leadership

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But they don't And I still think it's worth it To make those things For those who care about the truth But it's just obvious to me

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We have a very corrupt institution In this country And it's not just Big Eva quote unquote

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I think it's all kinds of institutions And that's part of the reason People turn to online voices Problem with online voices is

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You're only seeing one side of a person You don't know me the way that The people in my local church

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Know me for example And if someone is a good actor And if someone is kind of grifty

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They can easily take advantage of you If they just speak your emotional language And if all you're relying on Is your intuition

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So I recommend people Make sure that they learn How to assess information for the truth

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Know how to know hermeneutics If you're studying the bible It's the same thing with history You learn historiography

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With media You got to learn critical thinking And use that critical thinking

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Evaluate Don't just like someone Because you heard them Evaluate And over the long period of time

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If they're faithful Then you'll know More so you'll have a stronger Hold on whether or not They are reliable But that still

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I don't think is going to fulfill The great real need we have For local leaders

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Especially pastors In local communities Because let's face it You're listening to me right now But you can't just call me on the phone

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And say my wife is cheating on me Or my child just died Or I need advice about this

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You don't have my number Well some of you do Most of you don't And I only have 24 hours in my day

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I don't know about you So I would love to be able to Be the kind of person that can be

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Involved in every area That I could be involved in For the good of Christ's kingdom

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But I can't And God made it that way for a reason He wanted us to have limitations And we need people on the local level

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That we know that we trust That know us Internet can't substitute for that So this is a wake -up call

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It's one of the reasons in the song That you heard at the beginning of this podcast I said there's a million Charlie Kirks out here We're not all fighting the same battles

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But we are fighting in the same war In different battles And it's time that we locate the leaders

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In Bedford Falls Who are the guys in our local community Especially our church That we can follow

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And all of us are followers on some level And all of us are leaders on some level And we need to be able to fulfill

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Both those roles faithfully So good question All right Let's talk about Let's start with Where do

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I want to start? Start with the shooter here So there's a lot of speculation here about Oh I didn't have it queued up I'm going to queue it up now

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About who the shooter is His identity Was he left? Was he right? And I wasn't even sure this morning

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Exactly what was going on I feel a little more confident now But this is a story from the

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Daily Beast Charlie Kirk's suspects Grandma says family is all mag I'm not going to read it for you

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But he comes from a cookie cutter American family The father there in a

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That's the Oath Keeper shirt It looks like An American flag Very conservative I mean he looks very conservative too

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All the pictures I've seen of him Look like a very normal American kid He's got

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I mean he's got a baseball cap But it's actually normal It's not a flat bill It's not even a trucker cap

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It's not any of the weird stuff Or the odd stuff There's no stylistic kind of message he's sending

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He's just fitting in With the general population Looks like a normal average kid

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And looks like he had a pretty good family They're all smiling here on family vacation I think his father was a sheriff

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Here he is With his middle school diploma And he's fishing

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And he's got a He's got a Johnny Cash shirt It looks like And an

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AR -15 that he's shooting And he's in the woods There's a trailer next to him I mean this is the kind of guy

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That is very right -wing coded Everything about the guy Here he is with his mom

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They're smiling together It doesn't look like he hates his mom And it The optics of this look very

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Very much like He comes from a solid American Right -wing Trump -supporting family

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And the grandma's saying Look they're all Trump -supporting And there were a number of things I won't go over now that were contested

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Regarding Inscriptions on the bulletin casings And a lot of it

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It takes too much time to explain You could actually spend a whole podcast Just explaining the internet lingo The 4chan lingo

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For what each thing represented I had to learn things About furries and Pepe the frog

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And all kinds of stuff that was contested

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You had guys saying This he sounds like A number of people on 4chan Was it 4chan or Reddit?

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Sorry a number of people on Reddit Were saying he sounds like a groyper And look at all these things

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And then you had people saying He's totally a Marxist And he was radicalized by antifa types

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And especially some of the messages Like eat this fascist Something to that effect

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On one of the bulletin casings That meant he was certainly Someone who got radicalized in college

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I'm leaning towards that interpretation Quite a bit now And the reason is Is actually because I was looking for primary sources

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In all of this I wanted to find Something that was more conclusive

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Than interpretations of cryptic messages That could possibly mean one thing

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Or another thing Or what kind of video games he played That was another thing He might have played this one video game

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Which fascist types play And so therefore he was Critiquing Charlie Kirk From a very anti -Israel standpoint

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Or something like that And I thought well I mean look If you follow my ex account

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You know this morning I put a post out there In fact maybe I'll just even pull it up I put it because I was annoyed

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I was a little bit annoyed I'm not gonna lie I was a little annoyed because Oh I'm gonna have to scroll down I made too many posts since then

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Goodness See if I can find it Maybe not I made a post about Nick Fuentes And it took me like I don't know 15 minutes this morning

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Not even To just gather the information Here it is Here it is For those who don't know

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Nick Fuentes is a podcaster Who has a What he calls the

44:56

Groyper army And they He's been banned from YouTube But they have a very strong presence

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On Rumble And some other social media platforms And how best to describe him

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He I don't even know if I want to To be honest with you That's all you need to know I wouldn't I do not recommend him at all

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I think he's honestly A man of low virtue And not a good political source

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One bit He's more of an entertainer But anyway He made a video last night

45:30

That was I don't know how you would put it Very He was eulogizing practically

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Charlie Kirk He said he had disagreements with them But then he started saying how What a Christian man he was

45:45

And that's why they killed him And that's he's a great guy Whatever And so I was just like You know what?

45:50

I bet if I just It wouldn't take me 10 minutes To just find some crazy things He said about Charlie And it didn't

45:56

It only took me 10 minutes And I only went back three months Just in the last few months In the last few weeks

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Nick Fontes was saying things like Charlie Kirk was not a serious Christian He lied for a living

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He was owned by the Jews He was ugly He should F off He had zero integrity I mean that's just very recent stuff

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So anyway I put that stuff out there But I will say this With all of that I didn't think

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My mind didn't jump to Well yeah I got One of the members of his audience Obviously must have killed Charlie Kirk I didn't think that There's all kinds of people out there

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That do all kinds of things There's unstable people So I don't know But it's possible

46:35

I mean he's very critical And when you're very critical about someone And you're saying that They're a threat to the country

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Because they're doing the Business of a foreign agent They're on the payroll of a foreign agent

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They have no integrity And they're probably the number one voice now On the conservative right

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And Charlie Kirk was either there or getting there He's probably the most influential Then okay

46:59

I could I guess I could see someone feeling like They had to take matters in their own hands But they you know The left is much more violent

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The left says things that are way worse right So I'm still thinking It's a lefty I would think But yeah

47:11

I mean someone that knew how to use a gun Somebody like All these thoughts are going through my head But then this came out

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This came out And this is from a journalist And actually she keeps posting stuff

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So I'm probably Let's see Maybe let's see what the latest thing she's posted

47:32

Okay this is from six hours ago This is from not a right -wing reporter

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I don't believe This is What's the name of the journalist

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Well it's from the UK Guardian So this is not exactly your Paper for conservatives

47:51

But everything they know about the killer After nearly two days of searching authorities announced

47:57

They have him arrested Cash Patel said that Robinson was ultimately arrested in Washington County Okay we don't care about that Let's see

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He had stuff like Hey fascist catch On one of the encasings Obella CAO If I'm pronouncing that right

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An anti -fascist Italian anthem There was different interpretations of this I was finding But many of the interpretations are saying

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This is an Antifa reference Let's see She interviews

48:28

Anna Betts is her name Okay we have additional reporting This is what I wanted to read you From Tyler Robinson's high school associate

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Who played video games with him The friend who asked to remain anonymous Said Robinson had expressed sentiments to him

48:43

That were critical of Donald Trump When they were hanging out several years ago Despite the rest of his family being broadly conservative in their views

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The friend acknowledged he could not be certain about Robinson's more recent political views As they lost touch after graduating

48:57

Pine View High School Voting records show Robinson was unaffiliated With the political party ahead of the 2024 election

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So you do have testimony from a friend Saying he came from a MAGA family But he was not supportive of Trump Now I realize yeah

49:13

Nick Fuentes wasn't either Nick Fuentes was against Trump too And the other theory out there Is he's this

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Groyper character But I'm leaning towards very strongly This guy was indoctrinated

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And went the more Antifa route High school classmate says

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Robinson was only leftist in his family So when you have a classmate saying he's a leftist Yeah that's not

49:35

That doesn't fit the Groyper stereotype The fan of that particular podcast In a phone interview on Friday Someone who said they were friends with Robinson high school

49:44

Who wanted to remain anonymous Said that the suspect was pretty left on everything And was the only member of his family

49:50

That was really leftist The rest of his family was very hard Republican Around sophomore year the friend said

49:56

Robinson became more extreme in his political views And would always just be ranting and arguing about them The friend said they played video games together

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A lot in high school And noted that the bullet engraving with the arrows Was a reference to Hell Divers 2

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Which he mentioned earlier He said that the arrows specifically Were in reference to calling in a big bomb

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That exists in the game Called the 500 milligram So you got to know all this online lingo

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Video game lingo To even understand what's going on here When the friend said the news on Friday He said that he was shocked

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I knew he had strong political views But I never thought it would even go this far So and then of course people were saying

50:33

That video game is a video game fascist play And other people saying no It's the opposite of that Here's the long and short of it

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Okay I think that this sounds like a lefty Sounds like someone who was indoctrinated on the left I'm going to go with the strongest evidence we have

50:47

Which is the testimony of his high school friend Of course the family also said that he had said

50:52

Charlie Kirk spreads hate So that sounds like a left -wing coded thing to say

50:58

But here's the thing He's 22 years old And I was thinking about this I was thinking you know

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If there's conflicting evidence that comes You may be dealing with someone who's been

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Going around to different online forums And just repeating different things

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I you know I've been paying attention to all the stats right I bring those to you on the podcast of Gen Z Because it fascinates me a little

51:23

But it's also our future And Gen Z is very erratic I know this from personal experience

51:30

You know I even think right now If someone I know Gen Z who's quoting Andrew Tate And saying we should bring back segregation

51:37

And in two months Actively defending homosexuality It's crazy to me sometimes the whiplash

51:46

But that's the thing Gen Z is very moldable In ways that other generations just aren't

51:52

It seems that way at least And they're also I had some polling on this I'll show it to you later That they are more

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Accommodating and supportive of political violence Than any other generation I think we're going to get more of this

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And I think it yes is going to primarily be on the left But we have a generation that is marked by more instability also

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Than previous generations And I think there's a number of reasons There's family instability There's regional deracination

52:24

There's the left -wing talking points That have been jammed down their throats for years

52:30

In their education There's the fact that their leadership hierarchies

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Are mostly online now At least for many of them That's where their models

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Their role models are developing That's where they're getting identity conference That's where they're making friends and relationships

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Is mediated through this fake world And in this fake world You have everything from sexual activity

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To violent activity To all kinds of things And you don't suffer the consequences It's all just on a screen

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That's how it's mediated You have addictions that are existing at higher levels

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Than previous generations Screen addictions Pornographic addictions You have drug addictions

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I'm not saying this is every Gen Zer I'm saying though that we have a real crisis on our hands

53:20

And then the added effect of less and less of them Actually have the mobility to get stable jobs

53:27

That would lead to anything like a stable family In the American dream They can't afford houses They many of them didn't have jobs in high school

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They don't know where to go They don't know what to do They're in debt up to their eyeballs

53:40

And much of it their own doing Credit card debt They must have never have been trained to use a credit card This is Gen Z This is

53:46

Gen Z And that kind of chaos leads to potential violence

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It just does It leads to rage It leads to all kinds of problems And it can exist in a cookie cutter looking

53:58

American family That's the scary part of it It can exist where you least expect it at times

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And left -wingers who are revolutionary and violent Can get to your kid through the education system

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Through online mediums Without you even knowing Just give them a phone

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Or in this case Give them a scholarship to a university And you don't you're not in the class

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How do you know what they're learning, right? Not saying clamp down But be aware Be aware if you're a parent 22 years old

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Now there was another shooting And I was gonna point this out The evergreen high school shooter

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I said I would talk briefly about my connection to Sort of connections Not really It's like a second degree connection

54:46

But the evergreen high school shooter This would probably be one of the main headlines If not for the fact that you had

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Robinson Assassinating Charlie Kirk Desmond Hawley is a name that you probably would know about And if you read through this

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Desmond This is some of you might have heard about it On Wednesday, there was a fatal shooting

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From a 16 year old boy 16 And there you go Young white kid

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He embraced conspiratorial anti -semitic and white supremacist social media content According to a review by the

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Colorado Sun He reposted TikToks about the 1999 Columbine high school shootings Post wearing a t -shirt with the word wrath on it

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Which shooter Eric Harris wore Most ominous was a post on X That an account linked to Holly Made about an hour before the evergreen shooting happened

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A photo of a small revolver being held over a table With a box of ammunition on it It was posted without comment

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And so he's posting gun stuff Let's see The sheriff's county

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Jefferson County Sheriff says he's radicalized through an extremist network I'm not going to get into all the details here

55:53

Because I want to go back to the Charlie Kirk stuff And kind of where do we go from here to close out the program

55:59

But here's the point Even if they're embellishing this Which they may be I don't know anything about the

56:04

Colorado Sun They may be left leaning But I have no reason to doubt that this kind of stuff is also

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Not taking shape with young people on Quote unquote right -wing circles

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And one of the reasons I know that is because I'm gonna have to say this judiciously

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I happen to know someone Who works for the school

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That the Buffalo shooter went to Or did work for the school And I asked this person about I said what how did this happen?

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How did the teachers? How did the principals? How did the parents? How did the other classmates not see what was happening?

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And she told me because she knew the student She said he would come in And he would write essays in class about what he wanted to do

56:59

And this guy wanted to kill black people And he would write an essay about it And it would not be taken seriously

57:07

And his he had friends who would also write essays In their English classes or whatever Saying similar things

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Expressing similar sentiments Very violent sentiments And no one flagged it It was known and no one did anything

57:23

Until one day he decided to go into a grocery store And start killing people

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Now I think that kind of thing is more rare It's more more rare you know among It's mostly it's usually left -wing violence

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I don't know that this guy was left -wing Maybe he was on some I don't know I don't know all his motivations

57:42

She seemed to indicate that no this was a This is a rural school In a rural district And him and his buddies thought it was funny to be transgressive

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And no one flagged it No one wanted to To be that person

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And you know what? Having close associates of friends of myself Who are in education

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I understand it Who knew about Tyler Robinson? I don't know

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Sounds like his classmate knew At least he was radical quote -unquote In his views

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More stuff will come out in the next few days I'm sure But who knew and didn't say anything right?

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Many schools are handicapping the teachers

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You go from a situation where teachers used to have corporal punishment Where parents used to accommodate the teacher's discipline

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And now if you're the teacher and you even try to You can't even you can't put your hand on a kid right?

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Obviously But if you even try to be harsh and to point things out You have the parents to that are going to jump down your throat

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Why hassle yourself with that? It's hard enough You just want to go home You ended your shift

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But you know what? If you're a teacher out there you better say something Maybe that's one of the morals from all of this

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That we'll find out in the next few days Like who knew and didn't say something? All of it goes back to a general degradation in public virtue

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Public virtue is going down And as public virtue goes down And as Christianity becomes less of an influence

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And as our leaders are more corrupt You are going to have more violence as a natural result

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When there's less self -government When there's no one's restraining you at lower levels

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It's going to be higher levels And people will demand action from the state To make sure law and order still remains

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And every conservative Christian should be not wanting that scenario We want self -government to continue

01:00:00

We want people to manage themselves But if they're not going to manage themselves Only force can manage them

01:00:05

And we're all going to demand it at some point Let's get to some Big Eva reactions

01:00:12

And then we've been going for an hour I'm going to come to the main point of this whole thing Which is what should we do?

01:00:18

Okay, some Big Eva reactions Let's start with Mike Cosper Until the day I die Mike Cosper, by the way I should just mention

01:00:24

Contributor at Christianity Today Until the day I die There are certain things I will hold with unflinching conviction

01:00:30

About our political moment The refusal of leftist governments to restrain the violence In the summer of 2020 was reprehensible

01:00:37

I'm wondering kind of what Mike Cosper said in 2020 The election of denialism and its climax in January 6th

01:00:43

Was reprehensible too Oh, okay, yeah, like those things are I'll say this real quick Before I read the rest of his comment

01:00:49

January 6th was a testament to how peaceful the right generally is Given all the access that they were given

01:00:57

You've seen the videos Being let into the Capitol On a day when they're as mad as a hornet

01:01:02

Because they believe the election is being stolen And how many people did they kill? Oh, none

01:01:08

Ashley Babbitt dies And she's one of them The others that died were

01:01:14

Not directly related to anyone from January 6th killing them It actually speaks to I mean, can you imagine the left -wing protesters

01:01:22

Getting the same equal access? It wouldn't be the same Anyway, Mike Cosper The assassinations of Charlie Kirk, Brian Thompson, Melissa Hortman And the attempted assassination of Steve Scalise, Justice Kavanaugh President Trump, and John Hoffman Are also profoundly reprehensible

01:01:38

No side has a monopoly on political violence There's this conclusion Both sides use the language of war and existential threats

01:01:44

The atmosphere is poison It needs leadership to be transformed Most leaders seem hell -bent on nursing grievances

01:01:51

Which inevitably feeds the escalation So, read between the lines Trump is not the kind of leader that is helping this

01:01:59

He's a bad guy in all of this Because he said this morning on, I think it was Fox and Friends That it's the left -wing that does the violence

01:02:07

And he's right about that It is the left -wing that does most of the violence But here's Mike Cosper trying to draw a parallel Trying to compare apples with apples

01:02:17

But he's comparing apples and oranges It's simply not the same And Christianity Today Sorry, well, next

01:02:25

You know, maybe we should do Christianity Today next Then we'll go to the Gospel Coalition Christianity Today had a headline

01:02:31

Here's the headline from Charlie Kirk Died Charlie Kirk, activist who championed

01:02:37

MAGA doctrine Okay, here's from George Floyd George Floyd left a gospel legacy in Houston I'm just saying

01:02:47

One is so coated with righteous elements That George Floyd is a saint

01:02:54

Charlie Kirk is just He's an activist who championed the MAGA doctrine How sterile is that?

01:03:01

How, I mean, Charlie Kirk is an actual Christian Here's the, this is the crazy thing It's Christianity Today George Floyd has a rap sheet that is long

01:03:10

He's a criminal There's no evidence that he Well, you have that article where they try to make

01:03:17

I mean, make out like this guy is some kind of a model Christian Charlie Kirk actually was a model

01:03:23

Christian He was proclaiming the gospel on college campuses Being faithful to his wife, raising his children

01:03:29

And platforming pastors You would think Christianity Today, a magazine that is Supposed to be the premier evangelical magazine

01:03:37

With direct involvement at its foundation With people like Carl Henry and Billy Graham You would think that they would be just in horror

01:03:47

That Charlie Kirk, this Christian who was sharing the gospel On college campuses was martyred

01:03:53

You know, if there's a case to be made for someone as Saint -like, wouldn't it be

01:03:59

Charlie Kirk? He's sharing the gospel and he gets shot He's sharing more than just the gospel

01:04:04

But he is sharing the gospel But that's their headline I mean, that is sick stuff, guys

01:04:10

That's sick stuff Gospel Coalition Gospel Coalition Where is

01:04:15

King Jesus when the violent reigns by Colin Hansen? And so he talks about Irina Zarutska in Charlotte And he starts talking about the

01:04:27

September 11th attacks And let's see, does he mention what I War in Europe, in the

01:04:33

Middle East, drug trafficking All these things He kind of lops them all into this one category And then he reads the

01:04:40

Lament of Habakkuk And then he reads

01:04:45

Isaiah 1 Come now, let us reason together Though your sins are scarlet, they shall be as white as snow I mean, it's pretty milquetoast stuff

01:04:53

Nothing is more antithetical to our political climate today than forgiveness So we should all be forgivers Enemies avenge enemies

01:04:59

Few listen to the voice of the crucified Jew Who preached that the meek will inherit the earth

01:05:05

I think that's intentional language there He's trying to rebuke people who There were people I could name names,

01:05:12

I'm not going to I thought it was ridiculous But two days ago, I did see quite a few people Even in circles that I'm somewhat connected to Saying this was

01:05:19

Mossad, this was the Jews, quote unquote And I should qualify

01:05:24

Connected to in the sense that Their social media came across my social media My platform, you know

01:05:31

I was able to see what they were saying And I was like thinking, no, there's no way I mean, that's like a 95 % no

01:05:40

You could see the shot itself That didn't look like a trained assassin And I know initially,

01:05:45

I think I said it was like a perfect shot But as I examined it further, I was like, no, that was Neck shots generally aren't

01:05:52

And if some people say it was a chest shot that deflected off the armor If that's true I mean, assassins are going to do a headshot probably

01:05:59

And it just wasn't And the And now that we've seen And we saw the rifle too

01:06:05

And that's a 30 -06 That's not the typical kind of rifle that would be used But also it would be

01:06:10

Israel's most stupid move If that's what they decided to do Literally, if Mossad did that It would be the dumbest thing that Mossad has ever done

01:06:18

A president who's generally pro -Israel Charlie Kirk, who's generally pro -Israel Let's just make our friends mad, right?

01:06:24

That would be the worst thing possible It makes no sense And to have these markings on the bullets doesn't really make sense

01:06:30

So I was just like, that's kind of dumb And maybe I'm giving Mike Cosper here the benefit of the doubt That he's sort of like referencing

01:06:37

The people who would blame Jews Because Jesus is a Jew So he wants people to know

01:06:42

Jesus is a Jew Okay, all right, all right, Mike We can see your veiled kind of rebuke to that But this is what

01:06:50

I'm seeing in it That's who he wants to rebuke Where is the language that chastises the left?

01:06:58

It's just a moral equivalency That's all it is And the initial tweet that went out from the

01:07:05

Gospel Coalition Compared what happened with Charlie Kirk to January 6th

01:07:11

Same thing Mike Cosper did It's like, January 6th? How is that remotely comparable?

01:07:20

Someone intentionally went out and assassinated, murdered Charlie Kirk Name for me anything similar to that that happened on January 6th

01:07:27

Even though there was so much opportunity to do so Isn't it incredible? That got crowd

01:07:32

I mean, they could have had firearms There was nothing to prevent it No one was assassinated on that day

01:07:40

Kind of a sick thing, to be honest with you I think it's the exact wrong tenor to take

01:07:45

Coming from the Gospel Coalition There is a righteous indignation we ought to have Even when

01:07:51

Paul quotes, vengeance is mine, right? I will repay That's in the context of what?

01:07:58

The civil magistrate being the avenger of God to punish with the sword Who? Physical people

01:08:04

This isn't just spiritual warfare It doesn't remain just in spiritual places That spiritual warfare manifests in physical people

01:08:10

And sometimes in things like murder And God gives us a mechanism to channel his vengeance

01:08:20

We should And we all did something, by the way To help channel that vengeance by electing

01:08:25

Donald Trump over Kamala Harris For all of those who feel like they're helpless out there You did do something already

01:08:33

That's the Gospel Coalition So let's talk about Let's talk about this

01:08:42

Let's talk about what you can do We're going to talk about my article here And then I'll take questions and then we'll end the podcast

01:08:48

But here's a screenshot of my article

01:08:53

Because it's not on TruthScript yet But it should be in the next few days From Grief to Grit A Christian Roadmap After Charlie Kirk's Assassination I start off by just saying

01:09:04

Look, I received all these requests What can I do? There are three things, okay? Now, you can also give money to the family

01:09:10

I didn't mention that But I'm thinking big picture here What can I do? Number one is pursue virtue

01:09:16

Your first assignment as a Christian man Is to pursue a life of faithfulness to your creator This is the only what

01:09:23

Not only what God calls you to do But it is the example set by Charlie Kirk If you have not repented of your sins

01:09:29

And put your trust in Christ Now is the time If you are not living for Christ in your daily life Now is the time Just discipline yourself to live a life

01:09:35

That threatens the kingdom of darkness at every level If you are not actively using the fundamental weapons God gives to every believer

01:09:42

Prayer, scripture, meditation And active obedience in your work, church, and family life It is time to secure that foundation first In case it was not already obvious Sin, the world, and the devil are waiting to devour you

01:09:55

And those you love in countless ways From the content you consume online

01:10:00

To the DEI policies that actively threaten The physical lives of your children Like we recently saw in Charlotte Your baseline spiritual, mental, and physical health

01:10:09

Rests on your virtue The cardinal virtues are bravery, wisdom, courage, and self -control

01:10:14

There's going to be a talk that's coming out In a few days from Michael Foster I was at his conference and I talked about counterfeit virtues

01:10:21

There's a counterfeit version of all these things And I talk about what that looks like But get the real deal

01:10:26

Get those real virtues Do not be like the men who talk about Wanting to do something good in the world

01:10:32

As long as it is big and important But never showed the discipline in their personal lives To prove themselves capable of being faithful and little

01:10:38

You will have moments in your life When taking a public stand is necessary But you must first learn to take a stand in private

01:10:44

To be ready for those moments And I mentioned later on the article I'll just say it now Most of the men, the great generals we'll say, right?

01:10:51

The men of violence even in history That you look up to and admire Were only able to be those kinds of men

01:10:57

Because they had training beforehand They had done things necessary To get them to that point

01:11:03

Very important point, I think, to make Let's keep going with this Pray imprecatorily

01:11:09

Pray imprecatorily We have imprecatory psalms that are models for us

01:11:15

And those psalms are often ignored In modern evangelical circles, unfortunately Because of their harshness

01:11:20

But my friend Pastor Sean McGowan Has written a short book called Psalms That Cursed Attempting to recover that practice McGowan says that the enemy love

01:11:28

And imprecations are not completely incompatible In other words, you can love your enemy And you can pray for curses

01:11:34

On your enemy in certain circumstances Jesus himself used imprecatory language Against Jerusalem in Luke 19, 44

01:11:40

When he proclaimed God's judgment Israel's enemies would tear you to the ground You and your children within you

01:11:46

That's what Jesus said Another pastor, Tim Buchong, put to music A rendition of Psalm 110

01:11:51

Which is an imprecatory psalm And the last verse goes like this And we sing it at my church, by the way The kings who fight against my

01:11:57

Lord Shall taste his wrath and meet his sword Upon their corpses he will look Then drink to vengeance from a brook

01:12:03

Now, if your church can't sing that Because that's just too edgy That's too violent, too racy

01:12:09

What's the Bible then to you? What do you think is supposed to be done With some of these things? How, I mean, you got to answer that question

01:12:16

I'm not answering it for you I'm just saying you have to contend with it It's in the Bible, right? There are, there's times for this

01:12:22

And I think now is one of those times And this Sunday, that might be What your sermon needs to reflect, pastor

01:12:27

That might be what you need to sing That might be what you need to talk about To some extent, there's a righteous indignation

01:12:33

God is a God of vengeance too He's a God of justice and wrath And that should be scary to us Because we should fear him

01:12:41

Praying these psalms, whether in private devotions Or public worships, helps recenter a Christian On the role God plays in punishing evil

01:12:47

Romans 12, Paul reminds his listeners And I already talked about this That the government bears the sword They're administrators of God's justice

01:12:55

He writes, never take your own vengeance, beloved But leave room for the wrath of God Now, here's the thing The wrath of God can be administered

01:13:01

Through the sword of the government So if you're a policeman If you're a civil magistrate If you're someone that is part of the

01:13:10

Information, shaping, narrative industry Then there's a part that you do play

01:13:17

Even if you just vote There is a part that you do play In wielding which direction the sword goes

01:13:23

So in a democratic republic You do have a responsibility You have a little bit of that sword

01:13:28

Does rest on your shoulders At the very least But if you have a particularly direct role

01:13:34

To play in law enforcement Then absolutely you are carrying out The justice that God has for evil

01:13:43

And then number three Seek righteous influence Most of the men asking my opinion Are not in a position to directly influence

01:13:48

Public policy or to have participated In the manhunt for Tyler Robinson For those who are in those positions

01:13:54

They should be a good soldier As Paul says in 2 Timothy And wield the sword righteously There are plenty of authoritative roles

01:13:59

Upstream from the actual use of force though Being a pastor is one of those things You have a responsibility to communicate

01:14:04

God's justice And that means that there's people In your congregation Who will be in law enforcement Or other fields that are going to apply it

01:14:11

There are also those in academia Think tanks, the media Similar institutions who help Shape public opinion And then your responsibility

01:14:17

Is to enforce righteousness In shaping your thinking Most people whose political influences

01:14:24

Are largely limited to their social media And voting have already done A great deal of good by electing Donald Trump over Kamala Harris Not to mention local and state victories

01:14:31

So get involved in local politics More, at the very least vote But do more than that if you can

01:14:36

Right, this is the time to ascend If you're upset at the way things are going If you want to see different policies

01:14:41

Get involved Many are now waking up to the fact That college professors And influential voices on the left

01:14:47

Often harbor treasonous sentiments And the government can take steps To clamp down on that Now treason, according to The 1828

01:14:55

Webster's Dictionary Treason is the highest crime of a civil nature Of which a man can be guilty Its signification is different In different countries

01:15:02

In general it is the offense Of attempting to overthrow The government of the state In which the offender owes allegiance Or of betraying the state

01:15:09

Into the hand of a foreign power In monarchies The killing of the king Or an attempt to take his life Is treason in England In the

01:15:17

United States Treason is confined to The actual levying of war Against the United States Or in adhering to their enemies Giving them aid and comfort

01:15:23

Now I probably should have found Blackstone's definition on this This is what you're getting In my sort of quick scramble

01:15:29

Before the podcast I think that captures it though Treason is undermining The very basis for the civil government

01:15:37

In particularly egregious ways So yes making direct war

01:15:42

On the government But also calling for a revolution Against the government

01:15:49

That you should have allegiance to Disrupting the law and order in that way Now this is something

01:15:56

Congress doesn't do anything about This is part of the problem Treason used to be something That was taken very seriously

01:16:02

It is not anymore And I think as treason Is not taken seriously So patriotism wanes okay

01:16:10

You have to recognize that Some of the college professors out there I had some of them

01:16:16

Are basically treasonous They want in some cases

01:16:22

Actual violence against the president Or politicians they disagree with Those celebrating

01:16:27

Charlie Kirk today His death They would They're fitting into that perhaps

01:16:33

Because he's not an elected official But they want revolution They want it now

01:16:39

And their whole political philosophy Is to replace our current government With something different In a violent way if necessary And then they indoctrinate your kids

01:16:50

That kind of stuff has to be clamped down on There's no question about it We can't have a country with people That teach those things

01:16:56

So John don't you think You should have free exchange of ideas Yeah I do believe you should have Free exchange and ideas

01:17:01

I think you can go to a college campus And you can talk about the philosophy Of whether you know monarchy Is better than democracy

01:17:07

Is better than it's Some kind of other form of government All those things are permissible You can have those academic discussions

01:17:13

As soon as you start calling though For violent revolutionary activity Against elected officials

01:17:19

Against the very foundation of the government Then you are landing in territory Where you should be afraid

01:17:25

But people aren't afraid So they keep doing it That is something that we could use

01:17:32

Christians in public office To start clamping down on To start writing legislation to address Even if it's on the state level

01:17:39

But it's largely ignored So I'm giving you one potential outlet for You want to fix this stuff

01:17:45

You don't like people being radicalized Like Robinson Maybe Tyler Robinson Should never have been exposed to Some of the things that he learned

01:17:54

At the university I don't know what he learned But that's a potential place to look at Now if you are someone reading this

01:18:01

Who wants to do something tangible To defend the country Gotta get the training Gotta get the experience You gotta be able to be placed in those positions

01:18:08

Now here's my conclusion okay Stick with me on this I believe that much of the angst in the country today Including the calls for and predictions

01:18:14

About a coming civil war Has built upon years of polarization And we have reached a point Where half the country is largely unable to find

01:18:21

The common ground necessary To even have a conversation With the other half So this is why people are feeling

01:18:29

The way they're feeling We are diametrically opposed At nearly every point And there is no light at the end of the tunnel

01:18:34

The conditions and instability Among the Zoomer generation suggest That more violence is on the horizon

01:18:40

And I gave you the numbers for that in the article So when it comes out on TrueScript You can go look it up But for the sake of time

01:18:46

I'm not going to go over them Splinter groups on the right Have begun to advocate unconventional approaches To restoring law and order

01:18:52

Many of which involve Ceding more authority to the center The thinking is that If the problems such as immigration and transgenderism

01:18:59

Cannot be resolved in short order Then drastic and even violent solutions Are necessary to secure a future for our children

01:19:05

And in such an environment It is incumbent on Christian men To possess the inner virtue To know that dictates of wisdom

01:19:10

To bravely use force when it's called for We ought to be a stabilizing element in society The people others turn to when chaos ensues

01:19:18

The calm and steady hand that guides others Because we ourselves are being guided by God So this is kind of my point, right?

01:19:26

You wouldn't know who George Washington is Who George Patton is If it wasn't for experiences And situations that came across their desks

01:19:34

And when they had to rise up And you will have experiences like that too Now I'm going to address this real quick These splinter groups that I'm talking about I see two things happening on the right

01:19:43

That do make me, I keep an eye on it I'll put it that way

01:19:48

Number one is there are groups That seem to see other conservatives

01:19:54

As more enemies than the left And they'll scream about no enemies to the right all day But they see other men

01:20:01

They see people like Charlie Kirk, for example Or Ben Shapiro even, right? And Ben, is Ben Shapiro on the right?

01:20:07

Is he on the left? Well, I would say he's, he has liberal instincts But in our current political situation

01:20:16

You know, he's very pro -Trump He's generally an ally, okay? I don't think, I think you can criticize him

01:20:22

Certainly I have But there's people that will look at him

01:20:28

Or look at Charlie Kirk We'll use him as an example And they will say And I've seen him and I can name the names That he is a level 10 threat

01:20:38

And they'll spend more time going after him And more energy whipping people up about how dangerous he is

01:20:45

Than they will about anyone on the left In fact, there are splinter groups Who think it would be better to elect

01:20:51

Gavin Newsom perhaps Than it would elect Donald Trump again And they, some of them are accelerationists

01:21:00

Some of them, there's different motives in there But they want to get to either a race war Or some kind of state

01:21:06

Where they can finally crush everything and have this What, and this goes into my second thing

01:21:11

That I'm concerned about A large totalitarian state for lack of a better term

01:21:17

And I think part of the reason for that Is people associate force and power with the center

01:21:22

They think it can only come from the center Because we've been indoctrinated into that for years, right? And so people right now on the right

01:21:29

Are waking up to the fact that Hey, we need force We need power And we need to use it That's good But force can come from your local government

01:21:36

It can come from your state government It can come from your regional county government It can actually come from social pressure itself

01:21:44

These are all mechanisms that can apply force And keep people from doing crimes or punish crimes

01:21:52

Not all force has to come from Donald Trump in the center, okay? That's actually the kind of thinking

01:21:59

That I have associated with the left for most of my life They want all control in a centralized location

01:22:04

In fact, they want a globalist centralist location But if they can consolidate it even in the

01:22:10

United States They'll consolidate it in Washington And that's what they want Now they'll scream if Trump does it But once it's their turn, that's what they want to do

01:22:18

Now, here's the reality of the situation When you have dysfunctional state, local, and county governments

01:22:24

The slack is going to be picked up by somewhere And people are going to demand law and order And the government's basic job is going to have to be done

01:22:31

And that may mean Trump stepping in This is part of the problem It may be outside the constitution at times And I hate that,

01:22:39

I do But when you have a total social breakdown When men aren't being men

01:22:44

And you can't find them in your local communities It's going to come from somewhere People are going to demand it

01:22:51

The solution is a million Charlie Kirks The solution is people going out there

01:22:57

Making the arguments on college campuses Becoming grassroots activists in local areas

01:23:02

Running for office And whatever influence they have Using that force to stop evil things where they happen

01:23:11

And let me give you an example This situation with Charlie Kirk As sad as it is

01:23:17

The security situation wasn't good Some of it is Charlie Kirk wants to be

01:23:23

And I don't blame him for this He wants to be out among the people He had his own detail

01:23:29

His own security detail But there were people at the event saying I was able to come into the event

01:23:35

I never had to show ID or anything The school had minimum security that day

01:23:41

According to eyewitness testimony And we see the results that happened Now if there had been on any other level

01:23:49

If the security had been taken seriously They probably would have caught a guy on the roof They would have noticed there's someone on the roof

01:23:56

Same thing with Trump's Pennsylvania thing, right? They've someone should have noticed that You would think

01:24:02

I'm not pointing any fingers But to I asked someone earlier today I said, okay, what do you want the government to do?

01:24:09

You know, something's got to change I said, well, what is it then? What's got to change? Well, I don't want to have civil war I don't okay I understand that What policies though?

01:24:17

Tell me the policies Well, you know, can't Trump stop the left? Well, that's not a policy What's he going to do?

01:24:23

I just given you one outlet treason Blame, you know, let's let's start Trying people for treason That's a good mechanism

01:24:29

And the federal government can do that That is something that comes from the center It just doesn't happen

01:24:35

So what do you expect Trump to do? Is he going to monitor private events that take place at public universities now and provide security or what?

01:24:43

I don't know I don't know But people feel this angst that something's got to happen And that's a dangerous place to be

01:24:48

Because that is the kind of place where Someone who says the right things Who just jives with where the people are at Can easily get into power

01:24:58

Whether they have solutions or not I'm thankful Trump's in office right now And I'm thankful he's going to be in there

01:25:04

Hopefully for the next three years or so But we we're in a volatile spot

01:25:13

And it's so incumbent now more than ever For men of virtue Men who don't want to do the job Who'd rather just grill on the weekend

01:25:19

To take political power If you're a righteous man who can wield the sword We need you We need all hands on deck

01:25:25

That this is a wake -up call for all of us Charlie Kirk's assassination is a wake -up call They might be able to shut up Charlie Kirk temporarily

01:25:34

But his voice is louder in one sense Because now he's a martyr And he's immortalized

01:25:39

In another sense There's a million of us now And we should all be getting on our college campuses Or doing whatever it is that you know the

01:25:46

Lord has you At work that he has for you to do that you're not doing Get busy guys

01:25:51

Get busy That's my friendly correction to some of you My encouragement to those of you Who are already pitching in a hand

01:25:57

Keep doing Keep going I just think it's the Lord's mercy That Trump is president right now

01:26:03

And not Kamala Harris Well I think Erica Kirk Charlie Kirk's wife is about to make an address

01:26:10

So I'm going to get off the podcast I will take just a few questions And then we will go And if you're still out there streaming

01:26:18

And you want to see her address You can go do that Cosmic Treason says Who should we focus on calling

01:26:23

John? State assembly person Governor Senator Representative The president For the treason thing

01:26:29

I'm assuming I think all of the above I suppose If you're in a state that would

01:26:35

I don't want to really do that in my state Because I think they'll use They'll weaponize whatever it is against conservatives

01:26:40

If you're in a red state though It's much easier to do these things If you're in a blue state

01:26:46

You have to do the initial work Of flipping the state Which means local grassroots stuff

01:26:53

So maybe it's calling Maybe it's you getting out there And running for councilman or school board

01:26:58

And starting somewhere Let's see here

01:27:05

More comments Some people have met Charlie in the stream here Treason is also betraying duties to one's own people

01:27:12

And putting them in danger of even taking the train I .e. by importing Africans I'm assuming maybe this is in reference to the

01:27:20

Importation of thousands of They're not really from Africa I guess But they're from Haiti And they're going to Is it

01:27:31

Indiana? I talked about that on a podcast I don't know I'm not an expert on it You could look it up Is that treason?

01:27:37

I mean I would say that is undermining our people It is a bad thing I don't know that it would be

01:27:44

An academic definition of treason though I don't I think that's a policy thing It's bad though There's no doubt about it

01:27:51

It's bad It's just not I don't know if it's direct enough to be treason Maybe some of you would disagree And you can find

01:27:57

Blackstone's commentaries I read them years ago on treason And you can put the comment in the section And show me where that is

01:28:04

Okay, look at how many people Crystal says around the entire world Were upset about this Hurt and disgusted

01:28:09

He stood up for his faith on Jesus And Jesus being the only way This was a spiritual battle Not political

01:28:16

I think it's both Political battles often have spiritual dimensions behind them, right?

01:28:21

There's an interaction between the spiritual and political They're separate But they're also They interact with each other

01:28:27

There's points of interaction there Somebody else says

01:28:33

We don't get to choose the time we were born It's wartime As it obviously is That's just what men have to deal with If you're in Chicago It sure is

01:28:42

Depending on where you Some people are living in sleepy small town America And a lot of these forces aren't There aren't

01:28:48

They aren't there yet At least in a way that's obvious And I would encourage you Keep it that way Simone says

01:28:54

What would you say is the call for Christian women and mothers? Oh, well Obviously if your mother raised children

01:29:00

That are decent, respectable citizens That aren't

01:29:05

That are strong enough to withstand the pressures That they're going to undergo, right? That's number one I think

01:29:11

Man, there's so many things I don't know It's going to be different for each person I think supporting good men

01:29:18

Especially if your husband is a good man Hopefully, right? If there's Support your pastor

01:29:23

Support Do be Use your spiritual gifts in the context of the church I think there are unique cases

01:29:29

Where the men have completely abdicated responsibilities politically And it does become

01:29:35

The domain of a woman to do something about it For the safety of the community I think that's rare I don't

01:29:40

I think every You should try to make every effort to find a man who's willing to Take those roles

01:29:46

Certainly But it's like a Deborah Brock situation There's going to come points where You know,

01:29:51

I think I gave the example the other day You know, if I'm away And being away obviously isn't necessarily negligent

01:29:57

It just, you know I have to go away sometimes to provide for the family But if I happen not to be home I stepped out for a minute

01:30:02

And someone comes into my home You better hope my wife defends our house Even though I'm the one who's supposed to defend our house

01:30:09

If I'm not around My wife has to do it to the best of her ability So until I have a son who's of age to take that responsibility, right?

01:30:20

So I'm not telling any woman out there to run for political office But I am saying you have to assess the lay of the land where you live

01:30:27

And do your best to put your efforts into Things that are going to purify society, make it better I think one of the things that women have that's such a strong point

01:30:39

You see this in Proverbs 31 Is they know the needs of the household They are the managers of the household essentially

01:30:47

A strong household makes a strong country Make sure your household's strong, okay?

01:30:55

There's things that also women notice that I mean, I think my wife, for example, right?

01:31:01

She makes my house hospitable in ways that I never would know how I can't even put my finger on it I just know it's a better place because of her

01:31:08

And because it's a better place It's a place of refuge and comfort and nurture and all these things

01:31:17

It is a place to have a respite before going to war It's a place for an environment for children to be raised in Where they can be raised in it safely

01:31:26

When I'm away fighting battles, my wife knows She knows things that are happening in social media

01:31:32

Sometimes I'm completely clueless about She can identify sometimes threats that I'm unaware of So hopefully that gives you a few things

01:31:38

I'm sure there's more that I could say Crystal says you can't allow a shooting indoors, outdoors, close

01:31:48

Close it all down, that's what they want Small enclosed areas that were little are reached

01:31:53

Fear God, not man I'm scared of that a little Not like, not shaking in my boots But I don't want to Charlie Kirk, we'll put it this way

01:32:01

Charlie Kirk wouldn't want that either, okay? And I've seen a lot of talk about who's going to be Charlie Kirk's replacement and this and that It's not going to be someone who's

01:32:11

And I don't know that you can ever replace him But if someone's going to be going to university campuses And doing the kind of thing that he did

01:32:18

It is going to be someone that's like him It's not going to be someone that Has beliefs diametrically opposed to his

01:32:26

It's also not going to be an arrogant person who Is just bloviating with their own pride

01:32:33

And narcissism, if you want to use that term It's going to be someone with somewhat of a humble and direct demeanor

01:32:39

Who's confident, who's Christian I don't see it being someone Jewish or Roman Catholic It's going to be someone who is a

01:32:45

Protestant Christian Who believes in the conservative vision for this country

01:32:51

Who wants to spread the message of Christianity as well Because that's what Charlie Kirk was And anyone who tries to take that place and doesn't do that They're not really replicating what

01:32:59

Charlie Kirk was doing Wait, John wants treason laws But not in blue states

01:33:04

Because he is scared of it being applied to conservatives Whoa, holy double standard Batman No, it's not

01:33:10

I'm saying that it would be twisted It wouldn't be a treason law It would be just an anti -free speech law of some kind That the left would twist into forcing

01:33:19

I mean, we already have this basically, right? We already have in my state If you speak out, it's on the books now

01:33:26

In our constitution of New York state If you speak out against someone's immigrant immigration status It's a hate crime essentially

01:33:33

So I mean, it's already They already have things that are comparable to this

01:33:39

And obviously it's twisted though It's not an actual treason They're actually servicing laws

01:33:47

That would squelch certain kinds of activities and speech In the name of Actually, it's really in the service of treason

01:33:59

That's exactly 180 degrees away from where it should be So no, it's not a contradiction at all

01:34:05

Matt says, it might make sense to concentrate certain centers of conservative power While conceding large swaths of America I've thought of this

01:34:13

Think of Moravia in 18th century apostate Europe Yeah, like what are you gonna do with Dearborn, Michigan, right? If you don't remigrate these people

01:34:22

If you don't remigrate them to where they Dearborn, I'm not sure where everyone's from There's Muslim basically

01:34:29

But or the twin cities, right? Minneapolis If you don't send them back to the country that they're from I mean, you've lost the city

01:34:38

Because now you're having third generation Quote unquote Americans who are loyal to I don't know why

01:34:44

I'm blanking on the foreign government there That are loyal to Oh, it's an

01:34:49

African government Goodness gracious I'm gonna look it up right now I don't know why

01:35:00

I'm blanking on it for some reason Someone put it in the chat What country I'm thinking of in Minneapolis And it's not even coming up on my

01:35:10

It's not Kenya No, it's not even coming up on a basic search here All right, someone's gonna get Somalia Thank you

01:35:15

Thank you, Clayton, Somalia It's Somalia When you have it

01:35:20

The politicians are Somalian The food's Somalian The language is Somalian So what do you do with that, right? You'd have to either give it up and say that's not really

01:35:28

That's sort of like the zone that They can do their own thing But they're not part of us Or they have to go back

01:35:33

Like that's Once these areas grow out, especially You're left with little options, right?

01:35:40

If that region gets bigger and bigger through immigration And through just the population growing You've got problems, right?

01:35:48

All right, Brianna Hill says I agree the Harris household Her podcast is one

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I always look forward to Even as a grandmother I don't know Is that an actual podcast?

01:36:00

Or you're just saying you wish my wife had a podcast? I don't know Okay, I'm gonna have to end the podcast, guys

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It's been good I appreciate you streaming And I would just recommend go check out

01:36:14

I don't know where it would be streaming But Erica Kirk is supposed to make some comments So I hope this was helpful to you

01:36:20

Check out the song, by the way It is on Spotify now I think it's on iTunes Wherever you

01:36:26

You know, if it encourages you That's why I created it Just to sort of in memory of Charlie Kirk But just also everything that's been happening

01:36:34

Just kind of the grief we feel for America I wanted to channel that and encourage you

01:36:39

Hey, America is not all gone, okay? It's still there But it's a garden with weeds everywhere

01:36:45

And it needs to be We need to get to work, okay? That's what we need to do So check it out

01:36:51

It's called America, 1 million Charlie Kirks And I guess that's it for now Oh, also

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I should I mentioned the men's retreat We're coming up on it It's I might even change what I'm going to speak about Because of this stuff

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I'm not sure yet But musicandmasculinity .com musicandmasculinity .com Look forward to seeing you in the