Tulip Time Evangelism Outreach and Open Q&A with founder Jon Neifert and Brad Tower

Welcome to Apologetics Live. We're here to answer your questions and challenges about God and the Bible. Meet your hosts from Striving for Eternity Ministries, Andrew Rappaport, Dr. Anthony Silvestro, and Pastor Justin Pierce.

Well good evening everyone. How are you doing tonight? And obviously you see here, this is Anthony Silvestro showing up tonight opening the show. Normally we're blessed with Andrew opening every night, and I'm not sure if Andrew's showing up tonight.

He told me he was going to, and it looks like Andrew, okay, I gotta bring him in first thing. So Andrew normally is going to show up like 30 seconds before the show starts so he can open, which I'd love for him to open.

For whatever reason, he let me do it tonight, so let me add him in here.

I'm usually here half an hour before, so. Well that's true, yeah. But I'm having trouble with, for some reason it wants to connect to my iPhone. I don't know why. Well we don't want that, so. Yeah, and I'm trying to figure, I've been trying to fix it, so.

Let's get that going so.

So, I'm really excited. Let me bring up the music. Cue the music. You did cue the music. I already, you missed all this, Andrew. I'm not hearing you, hold on. All the music, we're live. So. Okay, now I hear you.

Okay, go ahead. I'm glad you hear us now. So, we are going to bring in our first guest as Andrew is, so normally I'm the one who has all these issues, technical difficulties, so today it's.

It's because I'm usually here half an hour and fixing them all, if there's any issues.

And usually I'm coming on later and not fixing them on time, but let me bring our guests on. First guest, John Neifert. How are you today?

I am doing well. It's great to be here, Anthony, Andrew.

Corrections, Hair Loss, and Ministry Updates

Hey, before we bring the guests in, I do have to make some corrections from last week. Uh oh. Yeah, hey, if I make a correction, if I do say something wrong, I got to correct it. So, or in this case, we didn't have a show last week.

For some reason, I thought Anthony was going to be doing this show last week. And so people were like, is there a show? I'm like, yeah, Anthony's doing it. And because I was still recovering from being sick, I was like, okay, I'm just, I won't join the show because Anthony's covering it.

And so forgive me for not having a show last week. It was my fault. I did not look at the dates and see that Anthony had scheduled it for this week. So that was an error on my part.

Yeah, I found that out afterwards. I saw his tag on that Facebook post and I'm like, uh oh.

Yeah, I'm like, Anthony's doing it. And I had a man going on with what I was trying to do. Actually what it was, we had to meet with the accountant the next day and we had to get all the Striving Fraternity books all ready for him.

So I was busy doing that and I said, okay, well, I got something I got to be doing. So all right, so real quick, Bill is saying, Andrew, I noticed you're letting your hair grow out. No, actually I cut it short again, but I will state for the record, and we can look at Anthony, look at me and see, um, one of us has her hair growing back in better than the other.

I'm just saying. Yeah, yours is going a little faster than mine, but that's okay. It's still growing in.

Yeah. No, it is. And what, and I, cause folks knew that we cut our hair for that, uh, but I shaved it a second time just to do that. So yeah, the Dr. Bragg thing is working. Maybe you should switch over.

I know. So I'm doing mine. I'm trying to do mine naturally with essential oils. And Andrew is using Dr. Berg's actual kit, which is the same one that, uh, that Drew Vanita just bought.

So he just started it because he saw, he saw this, he said, right.

So, uh, so that's really cool that, uh, that it's working and, and yeah, I, I'm probably going to have to switch over. I think, I think you're winning and, uh, so one year, one year, I'm going to keep my hair.

Really short for one year, but if it fills in, Hey, great. Then we won't have what we had in, in, uh, up by you in Cleveland, preaching on the campus of the university of Cleveland, where the guys were up on the, that, that the staircase of above making fun of me cause my hair was falling out.

And I just looked at him and said, you're going to wish you had this much hair when you're my age. That's right. I mean, obviously John doesn't have to worry about that.

No, John's got plenty. It's, uh, some people are just blessed with that. So, uh, what else did you want to cover Andrew, before we get into the topic tonight?

Uh, there was something else, but I didn't write down. So, okay. I don't remember.

I mean, that's fine. Let me bring our next guest on as well.

And then I'll remember. So let me, I'll say real quick to go, go check out, uh, Andrew Rapport's rap report from Wednesday. Uh, it is on the tourney, tyranny of California, shutting down a Christian ministry that they actually used to help.

Um, and so there's a bunch of guys who are in need or actually a family in need of help. And actually here, here is the man commenting and that's Haps Addison. Uh, there's a go fund me for them to move to a better state like Idaho.

So, um, yeah, I want to encourage everyone to go to the Andrew Rapport's rap report. Go listen to that one. Uh, next week will be on my trip from Israel. So for folks who've been wanting to hear more detail, that's the one to go to.

Yeah.

That'll, that'll be an exciting show. Hopefully I'll be able to, to tune into that one, but, uh, so anyways, tonight we've got Johnny Furtz from Iowa, Pella, Iowa, which is, uh, we're going to get into that a little bit more this evening.

I'm going to bring one more guest in who is new to the show, although you've commented before Brad's hour.

So not new to us, but not great. That's right.

And, and we all, if I, if I remember correctly, I think we all met at ambassadors Academy is, is that right? Yes. And so we've all, we've all served at T as team leaders, and I think we're all going to serve again this June as team leaders.

I was going to, I had to back out because we've got a baby coming. Oh, wow. That's a good excuse. What a lame excuse. It hurt so bad because originally I committed, I love those things and I was so excited.

And then I was really excited to see it was during the summer, not during my school year, like it was last year. So I was like, Oh, I'm all set. And then I realized one, it's during my son's birthday, he's going to be six.

I don't really want to miss that. And then, but my wife will be about seven months pregnant at the time with our four other littles. So it just wasn't the best time. And man, it hurts. Cause I love going to those.

Yeah.

Yeah. I hope you bring me back. Not forget about me. Yeah. Maybe next year. Well, we'll plug in their ear, your name.

And Andrew, Andrew was my team leader the first year I did the ambassadors Academy. So yeah, he must've trained me well.

Well the thing is, is Anthony and I kind of bring our teams together because we just have, we have different styles. I was talking to someone today about it and yeah, they just, they, someone who goes out with Anthony and he's just, he's more mild mannered and he's like, Anthony's just so bold and strong.

And I was like, I don't know if I could do that. And so he was like, I think I'm more like, I think I'd be more like you at just asking questions and, and that's why we bring our teams together because Anthony and I have two different styles when doing evangelism, neither one of them, I would say is wrong or right.

It's just different personalities. We would both be against the screechers, right? But the, and then when I say screechers, I'm talking to those guys that just yell at people and you've seen them on college campus.

It's what most people think of with open air evangelism, but, but yeah, so we've, we kind of just always lead together for that reason.

Evangelism Styles, Teamwork, and Upcoming Conferences

Yeah. And it's been fun, you know, for people to see our different styles and, and be able to learn that way. And we're in contact still with a lot of people that have been in our teams over the last several years.

So that's been, it's been really neat too, to watch. We got to plan another reunion.

We would plan a reunion, get everyone together and we haven't, we haven't done that.

So yeah, we do need to, I'll have to invite everybody over to your house before I tell you and your wife about it. Like last time. Yeah. That was, that was really cool. Yeah. My wife really appreciated that.

Hey guys, we're going to all do this at Andrew's house. He doesn't know this yet. It'll be this weekend and his wife doesn't know it either, but we're going to have a great time.

Yeah. It worked. My, my, my team from this year have, have stayed really well connected. And so we, we text back and forth, you know, fairly frequently. And then we actually have a, a zoom call or whatever, every two to three months.

And you know, just catch up on whatever, what each other are doing and how, how the outreach is going and, and all that. So that's been really good. Yeah.

That's great. So so before we get into this, you know, Andrew and I will be, we'll be teaching together at a, at a conference called the Michiana reforming families conference at the end of April, pastor Kevin James.

And that'll be just outside of South Bend, Indiana. So if you're in that area, where can they go for the website? It is just Michiana reforming families. Yeah, I think so. It's what it's called. If not, you know, you can text us and find us.

It's a free conference. So they're just asking for donations for it, but that should be an excellent conference. Hearts for the lost and strive for, striving for eternity or teaming together on Friday night to lead, to teach evangelism and lead some evangelism teams out into South Bend, Indiana, which is very heavy Catholic.

That is Notre Dame territory. Saturday will be the family conference. And then Sunday I'll be teaching Sunday school. Andrew will be preaching the gospel that day. So it'd be a great weekend. And then the following weekend is what we're getting into because I'll be driving from there out to Pella, Iowa and an outreach that my wife has wanted to go to for years.

And it seems like every year we have something going on that weekend. Not this year. What's happening? She's not coming. Yeah. Yeah. Well, she's coming this year. Okay. There we go. She is coming this year.

But so in, so we're, we're really excited about this. So, so John, I'm going to let you go first and let you talk about who you are, what your ministry is, and then probably hold off on, on Tulip time until we let Brad talk.

Yeah. Yeah.

So, yeah, my name is John Neifert. I live just outside of Pella, Iowa. And I have done a number of different things, you know, ministry wise over the years, I've always had kind of a, you know, an urge and a passion within me to, you know, be missional and reach out to people.

I struggled for many years. I read lots of different books, but just nothing ever really clicked until about seven, eight years ago. Right. And, you know, then I, that's about when I started the Tulip Gospel Outreach Ministry, which started pretty small and then just over the years, it's been, you know, growing.

But yeah, this, this is, this is my side gig. Right. It's, it's a ministry I like to, you know, pour a lot of my time into, you know, really, really enjoy it. I really enjoy the, being able to share the, share the gospel and have all sorts of different conversations with people.

So that's, yeah. And you're doing a number of other outreaches now, right? I mean, cause this year you've, you might want to tell everyone you've got something really interesting planned, what you're doing around Iowa.

Yep.

And we really started here recently and we're kind of just getting into it. So last year I had, I forget where the, where the idea came from, but just the idea of saying, Hey, I want to go and bring the gospel to the top 10 cities in Iowa.

So earlier in the year, I reached out to a few different people. We sat down and we planned, I tried to spread out the different cities, you know, you know, two or three weeks apart. And, you know, so I'm basically through the whole summer, but you know, went out and found all the top 10 cities in Iowa population wise, and we are done with three of them so far.

So we started with the St. Patrick's day parade in Des Moines. And then this last weekend we went to Cedar Rapids, went to Green Square Park there, you know, by the library, had some good conversations and then drop down just South of there was Iowa city.

And we had some outreach, you know, lots of students from the University of Iowa there to interact with. And Brad, Brad joined us for, for part of the day as well. But we've got more coming up through this summer.

I think we end the 23rd of September. So they're just kind of sprinkled out, you know, here and there, right? Part of this was just saying, hey, you know, this culture needs to hear the gospel, right?

Part of it was saying, hey, I really got into the evangelism that I'm doing largely because I saw other people doing it, right? So hopefully we're out there, we're visible. We can encourage others, you know, to get out and share the gospel as well.

And what a really cool idea to be able to say, we're going to hit the top 10 cities in our state and go out and share the gospel and whoever wants to come, come.

I'm putting on the screen for folks the how to get to the Michiana family conference. So it's B-R-B-C, that's for the church, Michiana. So it's B-R-B-C-M-I-C-H-I-A-N-A .com. And from there, they have a link for the family conference.

So that's what I was just getting that up there for you. Yeah.

Well, thank you. I'm going to, I might have you do, since I don't know how to do all that fancy stuff, I might have you do the same thing for the TULO Time Gospel Outreach. Okay. John, send me that link.

Okay. I will do that. So Brad, go ahead and tell us about yourself.

Street Evangelism, Campus Outreach, and Local Faithfulness

Yeah. My name is Brad Tower and I'm another Iowa guy. And I met John about, it was 2018, because I know you started the festival in 2017, if I got that right. Yeah. TULO Time. And I didn't go the first year, but I've been to all of them since.

And so I've gotten to know John through that. I've been doing street evangelism for about 13 years now, since 2010. Couple of my main places, the University of Iowa, I've been doing that for 13 years, especially in the fall and spring when the weather's tolerable.

Those winter months are brutal. So nobody wants to hear me and I don't want to be there. In December and January, not so much. But for the rest of the year, try. In the past, I usually tried to get there about once a week.

That has changed a little bit since having all these kids. So about every other week right now on campus. And I also do things at Cedar Rapids Farmers Markets, trying to get to all those this summer. Ambassadors Academies, I've done four of those.

My goodness, there's been a lot of things over the years. You kind of lose track like you guys do. But preached at Super Bowls with Sports Fan Outreach, done about four of those. But I'm trying to really be faithful locally, because I always tell people, you know, anybody can go.

You know, sometimes people ask, like, how do you do all that? How do you preach in front of all those people at a Super Bowl? I'm like, guys, none of those people know me. Like there might be thousands of them, but there's nothing to lose.

They don't know me. Like it's harder to do it right here in town when I have my students, my coworkers, people I grew up with. And they're like, what in the world is Brad doing preaching in the middle of the street at the Farmers Market?

You know? Yeah.

You guys know what that's all about. It's always interesting when I see a dental patient cross my path out in downtown Cleveland. Exactly.

I get kids saying, is that Coach Tower? I'm like, hey guys. They look at you like you're a little crazy. And it is what it is. You kind of have to get over that, obviously. But then I'm also part of Arts for the Lost ministry.

I heard you mention them. And I just joined with those guys about a year and a half ago. I'm on there part-time with those guys. So I got to jump into an outreach in Dallas last year, last summer, and then also in Pennsylvania.

Bethlehem, Pennsylvania. So, yeah. But I'm trying to be very faithful locally more than anything right now, as well as doing these other things around the country. Yep.

Absolutely. I have the same conviction. We've got all kinds of lost people here in Cleveland. We've got some great college campuses to go to. I don't need to do a bunch of traveling to get right here.

So you knew this was coming up, guys. I have to put this up. KT and Jesus, is there ever going to be another follow-up with Kevin Yant? The mention of Iowa reminds me, dot, dot, dot. We were just talking about this before the show went live, because both of these guys have had run-ins, I guess you could say.

But, you know, yes, we are planning on another show. I just talked with Kevin Yant maybe in the last two weeks. And as soon as he gets through some busy parts of his schedule with school here in the spring and early summer, he's going to devote some time.

And we're planning on some time mid to late summer to doing a follow-up show. Yeah.

Part of that was my fault. We do have some stuff where I'm supposed to be clipping the audio. And so I need to do that. Yeah.

Well, you got time now. So it'll be mid to late summer, I think, is what we're targeting.

So I'm excited for that. What I'm going to do here is I'll give the link for tulip time. Because the link that you sent is a long link. So from there, so it's tulipgospeloutreach .org. And then from there, you want to direct people, John, how to find out about it?

Yeah. Just when you go to that main page, right, you know, just below the header and headlines and stuff like that, there's events that they scroll by on a carousel, right? So if you see that first one pop up.

I'll do it for people.

You can get to this right with a shorter URL. So I also am doing tulipgo, G-O for Gospel Outreach. Here we are. That makes it a little...

There you go. So walk us through it. So we get to tulipgospeloutreach .org.

And then you see that carousel sliding back and forth there. There you got a picture of Tulip Gospel Outreach. Just click on that picture and it'll take you to the details around the outreach. Okay. So they got an overview stuff.

Yep. Video from Eddie Roman on the Way of the Master and then kind of our schedule for the day. Yeah. So we've got Anthony coming out this year to provide some of the teaching.

So the event is free, but it's suggested a donation of $25 per person, $60 for family just to cover some costs, but it is donation. So you got a schedule out here for Thursday, Friday, and I think it was Saturday.

Yep.

So it's a three-day event. So we try and get some training in in the morning and then take it out to the streets right away. There's a couple of parades every day at the festival, which are great for just track distribution.

The Tulip Time Outreach, Pella’s Dutch History, and Gospel Opportunities

Yeah.

So let's talk about this. Let's get into the Tulip Time Outreach, John. So what was your heart behind this. And maybe give a little background to the city. And what's so unique about this?

Yep. Yeah. So let me talk a little bit about the background and how I got started with this. I told you, historically, I've had a passion around reaching the lost, but didn't really have a good way of doing that.

And then once I got the vision, I started doing this. So we started doing this in 2016. But before that, we had tried a few other things. We got several of, I mean, probably a couple of hundred of the 180 DVDs from Living Waters.

And we tried to get some out. We left a bunch of them at the Christian Bookstore, which is right downtown. Just said, hey, take them, give them to people for free, things like that. But it just didn't feel like it was very active in those things.

But actually, part of what gave me the vision was when we went and did the Iowa State Fair Gospel Outreach. So every year, and Answers in Genesis is involved in this as well. But it was started by a local guy here in Iowa.

And it's been for 25 years. He's been doing an outreach there. So we have a booth, a 20 by 20 booth. It's got a model of the ark. It's got all sorts of materials and tracks, things like that. So doing that and seeing that, I said, OK, now I've got the vision.

I can see what I can do. I mean, things are a little bit different at the Iowa State Fair from Tulip time. But that's what kind of stirred things up a little bit. So then started that in 2016. We've been doing it every year since, except for the one year they canceled because of COVID.

But still, we had probably 10 ,000, 15 ,000 extra people in town that year anyway, even though the event was canceled. But one of the things I tied into, and here's where we've got an incredible history here that we can use to get people into conversations around the gospel.

We can start on spiritual topics, transition in and go from there. Now, the town of Pella, it's about 10 ,000, 11 ,000 people, population. But it's a tourist town. So every year for the past 86, 87 years or so, they have a Tulip Festival where they showcase two things, right?

One is the tulips, right? And they've got lots and lots and lots and lots of tulips, right? There's other Tulip Festivals around the country, but they always try and bump up the game and get more tulips than everybody else, things like that to attract people and so on.

But over the weekend, right, this town of 11 ,000 becomes a town of about 250 ,000. Depending on the weather, right, it's going to vary in there. But you saw the picture of the event on the website. There are people everywhere, right?

So what I like to say is there's at least 200 ,000 opportunities for you to share the gospel. But they highlight the tulips and the Dutch heritage. Those are the two key things that they focus on. Pella itself has a lot of different things going on there, right?

But Pella itself was founded by Dominy, right, which is Dutch for pastor or reverend, right? But there was a pastor, Henrik Pieterscholti, who came and immigrated from Holland during a lot of the persecution.

And they sought to settle in America to build a free Christian community, right? They were facing a lot of persecution, right? Because in Holland at the time, the state had taken over the church. The church was struggling.

They were having trouble paying pastors, all these different things. But then the state came in and took over, right? Which everybody said, hey, great, we can pay our pastors now. We can write all these different things.

But then they started changing things doctrinally and so on. And many people, including Scholti, sought to reform from within and correct things. But after, let's see, that started in 1834. They immigrated in 1847.

So yeah, a good 13 years or so of fighting against the changes and the dumbing down of the theology and all that, right? In fact, because it was under state rule, they put in different rules. If you didn't sing from their hymnals, they would come in and fine you.

They would depose the ministers, right? So that they could no longer preach and be legal and all of that. But there was a lot of different things. They had soldiers quartered in their homes. They couldn't, you know, so Scholti himself had a church and there was like 350 members.

But they reenacted or started reinforcing the Napoleonic rules where you couldn't assemble groups of more than 19. So he couldn't hold a church of 350 people. You know, he had to meet with people 19 at a time, which is unrealistic, right?

Wow.

Is Governor Newsom related to him?

Long lost relative, yes. They all have the same Marxist agenda, so.

It's been around a long time, so sorry.

Yeah, yeah. But yeah, a lot of this goes back to, right? So there's a book out there that I read that talks a lot about him too. So when I started seeing a lot of these things and getting more interested, right?

You know, I've done a lot of research on the Hollanders who, right? The Dutch who came over and settled in America. What did they face, right? And both on this side of the ocean and that side. But, you know, and anything I could find on Scholti, right?

Because what you hear from, you know, Pella and Tulip Time, you'll hear kind of a surface level coverage of things. They don't shy away from the Christian heritage, but they don't treat it with a lot of depth.

So they'll say, hey, you know, the Hollanders were persecuted. You know, they didn't have freedom to worship. And that's about as deep as you go, right? You know, from a secular standpoint. So that's where I have tried to dig in deeper to really help people understand that.

I've written five different tracks that are specific for this event, right? So we can tell that story a little bit deeper, right? And then pressure them into, you know, the gospel message there as well.

Which is pretty fascinating to me that you have an outreach like this, that this town doesn't double, triple, quadruple in size. I mean, we're talking like 20-some times the amount of people come to town for the weekend to see a bunch of tulips, which, I mean, don't get me wrong.

I would love to go see a bunch of tulips.

As a good Calvinist, you should, you know? Okay.

So you know how many people have asked me about this, this tulip outreach? Like, wow, it's named after Calvinism. Like, no. No, there's actually tulips there. It's really cool.

There are actually tulips. It's actually about tulips and not Calvinism, not theology. Yeah. Right.

So this is one of the tracks. So this is the first track I ever, you know, wrote. And it is about the tulips. So these are actually tulips from Pella. I was telling someone, you know, earlier today, this is kind of a family effort, right?

I kind of wrote up, you know, some of the stuff and point to the beauty of the tulips and the beauty of God's grace, all those different things. My son took the picture. My other son did the layout. My wife helped, you know, edit the material, you know, stuff there, right?

But some people will say you can't use tulip to present the gospel to people, right? And I beg to differ. And that's exactly what I did here, right? I didn't present it as tulip in that order. But I just started with, hey, God, and who is God?

Who is man, right? How are we saved? We went through the different things. And then at the end, I transitioned around to, you know, the tulip acronym and, you know, so on. And I've had a lot of, you know, really good positive comments around this particular tract, you know, from, you know, from friends and family and, you know, other people that I don't know.

I was walking along and, you know, at tulip time one time, and I had a handful of those and some stranger just walked up to me and said, hey, can I get one of those? And it just makes it so natural just to, you know, hand these things, right?

They're here to see the tulips. You can use that and, right, they get some depth, right? This is a 16 page, you know, thing where some of the other things, some of the other tracts, it's just, it's like a bill.

But this one actually shows, this is a mural that is in the public post office, right? It shows three scenes of the immigrants from Holland. And if I can, yeah. So over here you have them, right, being, you know, led in chains and handcuffed and all that, you know, their persecution in Holland, their ship ride over and then settling in with the community, with the church at the center.

You know, some of these things just give themselves out, right? But it's such a natural conversation starter and you can get to the gospel, you know, through those really easily.

So what's unique about this is that there's no open air preaching at this, right? So this is all conversations and tracting. And of all the people that go, I think if you've told me in the past that you're in conversations all day long, every day during the conference.

Yeah, yeah, definitely.

Yep, yeah. And we, yeah, we try, you know, we don't do open air, you know, primarily. We primarily focus on, you know, those individual conversations and the tracting. And we also do have some, you know, we have a booth, right, which is a little bit different because then people come to you and then you can give them more significant materials, right?

But some of this goes back to, I'm a person in this community as well, right? And the first year we did it, we had a booth and that went really well. But then the next year, the Tulip Time Committee, you know, came to us and said, we don't want you to do this anymore.

You know, and that's where we got into some back and forth, right? And said, okay, you know, this is a Second Amendment, or not a Second Amendment, a First Amendment, you know, issue, right? We have freedom of speech.

We can, you know, do all these things, right? But, you know, we'll keep it low key. We're not here to disrupt the event. We're here to share the gospel and be ambassadors for Christ. So that's a big reason why we've kind of limited to those individual conversations and so on.

Now, but yeah.

Tulip Time Schedule, Training, and Festival Logistics

Yeah, that's really cool. So how does the event schedule look for anybody who wants to come out and be part of this?

Yeah, so let's, I mean, we can talk about the festival itself first, right? Because there's three days. There's different activities and things like that that go on, you know, each of the different days, but they are trying to focus on, you know, the Dutch heritage.

They have, you know, people doing Dutch dancing with wooden shoes. You know, we've got the largest windmill, you know, largest working windmill in North America is here. It was actually built in Holland, taken apart piece by piece, shift over, and then reassembled here in Pella.

So it's a working windmill, meaning it's actually grinding wheat and you can get windmill bread at the bakeries, right? Made from the wheat that's ground in that windmill, right? There are, you know, yeah, it is really.

And so then there's every day, every afternoon, about 2 .30, they do a parade and lots of local you know, businesses and churches and civic organizations and bands. I mean, it's a fairly long parade, you know, hour, hour and a half parade every day at about 2 .30.

And then they have a night parade as well at 8 .30, which is really interesting. You know, you don't see too many night parades. You know, so between there, they have, I mean, they have food booths and craft booths and, you know, all sorts of different things going on.

They have different speaking programs. They have entertainment, you know, lots of different things, essentially from 9 o 'clock in the morning until midnight for three days in a row. You know, the schedule is pretty much the same, right?

You'll have different, you know, like music groups or different, you know, acts and stuff, but it is a lot of repeating the same thing every day. And, you know, Saturday, right, people are off of work.

You know, it's always the busiest day, but there are people coming from around the state, around the country, and even around the world with, you know, in this town, there's probably 50 to 75 buses, you know, tour buses come here, you know, to come see this stuff, right?

So there's that going on, and that's the backdrop, right? We have blocks and blocks of the town kind of sectioned off, you know, and roads closed and all this, you know, stuff to have this all happen, right?

So what we do is typically people don't come out as much in the morning. It's not as busy. So that's when we gather together to, you know, go through the training. We have a couple training sessions in the morning, and then from, you know, from there through about seven o 'clock in the evening, then we break up into teams and time slots, and, you know, basically a small team would go out, and we'd give each, we'd sign an area of the festival for people to go to and have those conversations, you know, distribute tracks.