Hebrew Roots Movement with R.L. Solberg

Opening Banter, Election Talk, and Show Setup

Can you show me because we're gonna use some hermeneutics. Can you show me anywhere in the Old Testament where that word perpetual is not perpetual. Because again, I understand you're appealing again.

Sure. Wait a minute, I thought I was gonna get to have a talk. You you asked a question.

There you go, I will mute you because it's not your show. You asked a question I'm gonna give you the answer. Jet. Genesis 6 for the word Olam is used referring to those who were of old Deuteronomy, I'll get just rattle off all the ones where it's used not referring to perpetual Genesis 6 for Deuteronomy 32 7 Joshua 24 to 1st Samuel 27 8 Job 22 15 Psalm 247 24 9 25 6 41 13 77 9 90 verse 2 103 verse 17 106 verse 48 119 52 1 feet of 43 3rd verse 3 Proverbs 8 23 Proverbs 22 28 Proverbs 23 10 and Ecclesiastes 110.

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Now I had to play the intro there because well that was I forget his name like Sunday School Batman or something like that I forget but he was that was a clip from the last time that we had our guest RL Stahlberg that when he was on and That was a clip from there.

By the way, I should mention I don't mention it enough. But the intro song that you heard that introduces this program every week that also was provided by mr Stahlberg, so he will be coming on in a moment.

Let me bring in our co-host here drew. How are you, sir? Thanks for filling in last week. I know you're gonna be backstage because you got some family responsibilities, but I Had to bring break out an old striving for eternity shirt.

I don't know if you if you recognize this, but this is I used to always wear this with the cufflinks. This is the Donald Trump signature shirts that he used to make he doesn't make him anymore. But I figured in celebration of sanity in America I would I would break this out.

We have you know, the Marxists have not succeeded so yeah, but. So so that's the big news of in the news section is that Trump actually won by such a majority. That Kamala Harris actually conceded.

It's amazing. Not a sheet. She conceded it at like 8 o 'clock. She just said alright everyone everyone go home get some sleep like yeah.

She saw the way it was gonna go. Well her internal polling told her what how it was gonna go. They were just I guess hoping that they could pull it out with ballot stuffing but and they're succeeding in that for the Senate races and the and the house, but with with ballot dumps, but.

But yeah, so I mean, you know, this is just Miraculously, there's 15 million 20 million votes that are missing from 2020.

Where did they go. What happened. Anybody who thought Joe Biden can get more votes than Barack Obama is delusional. I Mean just for the record. So That is that is an amazing thing in the news section.

I was pleasantly surprised. I went to bed assuming that I'd wake up in the morning and find out that Kamala won. And instead I found out no. They it was a I mean he had over 300 electoral.

Bout oh, hey look. Yeah, and in the.

Yes, he figured out how to use it have figured out how to put his name in there. So it's he says yes, it's haps. Congratulations to have see figured out something with technology wise.

But you know, it's crazy with the election when you look. He got Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania three huge states, but if you look at California. More counties in California went red for this election than in 2020.

Well, this is a really interesting thing was and I I was doing Keith Foskey From your Calvinist podcast did an election night thing got a bunch of us on. So we were giving political commentary, but having a lot of fun is probably the most humorous fun election was stream on the internet because he purposed it for it to be a lot of humor and I noticed that Jersey went from a solid blue to leaning blue and So I was watching it it got within 2

You know, they did the ballot dumps in Newark late. You know and it was if you if you look at it It's a 5 if you realize that RFK was still on the ballot in Jersey. That's four four and a half percent basically, New Jersey is.

Is almost the definition of a swing state? That's crazy to think about right. So if you look New Jersey, New York California the solid ones were all close. Then closer than ever before New Jersey's was never close.

Democrats win by like 15 20 points and they only won one by five.

You know a lot of those. Mm-hmm. A lot of those states where RFK jr. Was still on the ballot Made a difference because a lot of those votes that just didn't they didn't like Trump. But they didn't they didn't like Kamala.

They voted for RFK jr. And that took away from Kamala. But it didn't take away from everyone that was going to vote for Trump in the first place. And so.

Yeah, so you're saying that the the extra half a point would go for Kamala in New Jersey.

Okay, that could be yeah, I mean and because when you think about it, you know RFK just the family legacy of being A democratic dynasty, I guess you could say with the family in Washington in the government.

You know, you have people who are lifelong Democrats because of the Kennedy family. But they know they don't like Kamala because of how far left she is. But they're not quite on the Trump train yet, right?

And so it's like well, who are you gonna vote for? Well, I'll vote for RFK jr. You know and and Robert Kennedy was in all those states. He was trying to get off of the ballots, right? Once he once he's he gave his endorsement to Trump.

He's trying to get off the ballots and then the people who are trying to prevent him from running in the first place from getting On the ballot. They said oh no. No, no, you can't get off now. So they wouldn't even let him off and I think that's one of the things I in the partner in some states.

Well, the thing is so interesting is that there was a Democrat another Democrat that was running I forget his name like cook or something. I forget. They sued he's he was still running they sued to get him off in the same states that they sued to keep RFK on so it's like Don't like you know, you're you want to keep a guy on that.

Not running but yeah, well, I know one other than than Donald Trump I think the biggest person that that needs to get credit for this would be Elon Musk. Oh, yeah, and Elon Musk had a lot of line if Elon if Harris won I mean they were threatening to try to destroy his business.

It's really quite funny. I had people contact me Wednesday and Text me I'm buying a Tesla Because of Elon Musk. I have a friend of a friend of mine who's totally against EVs. Didn't like him but he told me he's he's going out and and I think he's getting the Cybertruck.

Yeah. Really encouraged it just so I could drive it. Yeah, so those Cybertrucks. I've I've only seen one like really up-close. They're really really ugly. But when I got to see it and see like the actual truck bed space I was really impressed and there's actually a lot of people who are their welders right their independent contractors for construction companies.

They buy these trucks because in the truck bed you actually have a plug that can power generators and it can power Welding machines for just forever without anything really happening to the battery or the truck itself and it's really impressive.

Yeah, you I mean it the car. It's the truck itself is a huge battery. So yeah, you can you you can get that and then Use that as a generator which a lot of these guys do yeah. Yeah, see I I did tell my buddy.

I saw one that was it was wrapped in black and then then what they did was they had Put some and it actually looked cool because they looked bad, but it looked good. They wrapped it in black and then they they put some like rails on the top.

So I'll just I'll just you know for everyone to see I'll show everyone mine.

Yeah, the one you the one that's yours you found in the parking lot, yeah, that's exactly right. Thank you.

That's exactly what it was right there.

Yeah, you know, I'm not. I don't like Tesla cars. But I am a fan of Elon Musk. And he's a guy that actually a couple years ago. It seems like he was Intentionally trying to do things to like see if he could tank his company like one when he tried to tank his own stock.

He was telling people don't buy any more of Tesla stock, you know. Don't do any of that and then people kept buying more and it shot it through the roof.

Yeah, well you don't enjoy the Tesla cars because you probably haven't driven one test drive one.

Well, I mean. Okay, I'll go test trip. Maybe they'll let me test drive one. I just I just drove one in in Dallas. It is a lot of fun. You know I never thought about that doing that. Now I have ridden in one when I've traveled to Dallas when because we uber everywhere when I travel for work I might have to see if we can't rent a car instead and rent a Tesla.

Yeah. Yeah.

Well, let's I know you're gonna go backstage. I'm gonna bring Robert in so we could talk some Hebrew roots and Old Testament covenants. So RL Sauberg. Robert Sauberg, welcome to apologetics live sir. Good to see you my friend.

Thanks for having me on again. Good to see you again. Yeah. Well, I don't know if you remember that guy that you know was the blah blah blah guy. But we play that every once in a while. I Love that that I hope he comes back.

He never came back on after you you know. That that time he wanted to you know, correct you but I guess scripture wasn't in in line with him. Yeah, so it has been a long time since we've had you back on and You've written another book since your Torah ism book so.

You know, by the way, I should mention I am completely jealous of you. Just for the record because you were actually able to get a debate.

With rabbi Tovia singer. Oh, yeah. Well, yeah that actually fell into my lap. I didn't go looking for it. So.

Yeah, well, I've I have said publicly That I will debate Tovia singer Anywhere anytime without any preparation because that's how bad his arguments are. He actually heard that. He emailed our ministry.

He called the ministry. He sent a message on Facebook to the ministry he contacted the person whose YouTube channel I was on. Through YouTube and then he called that person's ministry five different ways.

Asking for a way to get in touch with me so we could set up a debate. And so I said sure let's do it he actually created a banner that he used to have on his Facebook page and It had a picture of both of us and he said we're gonna be debating, you know, a rabbi and a Pastor and I think he even said former Jewish Christian pastor and so he was all in favor for it.

And then I had a guy contact the ministry who Said he wanted to help me with debate prep for Tovia and he said he used to be a former pastor. Now I never gave him my full debate strategy. Yeah, but I guess I gave him enough because later in the conversation.

I realized this guy actually Converted to Judaism and follows Tovia. So ever since then Tovia has ghosted me. And when one of our guys used to work for us asked him why he's dodging me. We noticed afterwards he went and removed the banner.

That and so he went back years to find the banner and remove it and someone said that he had removed it. So I went and looked and yep, it was gone. So Yeah, you're I'm jealous. You you got the debate that that I still can't get.

Yeah.

Yeah, that was a that was a heady experience. But yeah, they they reached out to me and almost for sure it's because they knew that I was.

An unknown easy to push around guy or they thought I was you thought you were because that debate did not go well for him. So if you want folks if you want to see that debate just go and and and search for your Rob's Robert Solberg and Tovia singer.

That was an entertaining fun debate. I always like watching Tovia singer get His hat handed to him which is very effectively. So so let's let's. For folks who who haven't followed you. I know we got haps Addison who's in the in the watching online.

He is probably your largest fan. He's awesome. He loves you I mean I'm just gonna tell you in private groups that we're in haps talks about you and praises you all the time. He's he's like a little kid in a candy store probably right.

Here he goes he's he's putting up he says Love Solberg and thanks for sending me his book. I sent him a copy of tourism. I think that's one of them. So cool. Hey haps. All right, so Let folks know a little bit about you and really you are the only author I know that has a book on that deals with Hebrew roots and and you call it tourism.

So let's start by how did you get into that? I know I know that story. But you don't know you let them know how you stumbled into this. What got you writing tourism? Why do you call it tourism and then talk about your newest book?

Okay. Yeah, that's a.

It's an interesting story because I Didn't intend to find this this belief system. So I for a long time I've been studying philosophy apologetics that sort of thing. And I was also always interested in sort of the the common thing you think about when you think about apologetics.

You know faith versus science face faith versus atheism that sort of thing and so when I had a friend of mine who is we went to Church together and and his his wife and my wife sang worship music together and suddenly one Christmas He was posting about why Christmas was pagan and you shouldn't celebrate it.

And so I thought well, that's weird. What's what's going on with this guy? And that way he's from Minneapolis. So that's where we used to live for many years. We moved down here to Nashville 20 years ago.

So I hadn't talked to him in years. And so I reached out and said hey what's going on? I'll bite. Why would you call it pagan? So that is what I what I kind of refer to as stumbling through the back of the wardrobe.

Into this other world that I didn't even know existed had no idea about it. And so what happened was I began in debating him or you know Dialoguing with him or attempting to dialogue with him just on Facebook.

So it was one of those rare rare literary devices that was actually a very productive Facebook argument and what happened was I Again I wasn't aware of how big this was or what was going on, you know across the actually the world now that I know it but I Started getting people reaching out to me that I didn't know some of them were Relatives or friends of his others were other people dealing with the exact same thing in their own in their own worlds asking me Oh, this is great.

What do you say about this? What do you say about so I noticed there was a need. And there's a great book by is it by blackabee? Experiencing God and he talks about I love it. He talks about Don't just make up stuff go find out where God's working and join him there.

And so that's what I feel like I ended up doing Joining God where he was dealing with these small little pockets. It's not some huge thing like like Mormons or Jehovah's Witnesses or something like that.

So a lot of people haven't heard of this this whole thing though. Typically the most common name for it is Hebrew roots. But that doesn't describe everybody and a lot of them don't want to be called that.

So the concept is In a nutshell, there's a there's not one monolithic movement but the concept is that these are people who follow Jesus and at the same time believe that Christians are required to keep the old covenant law and and that not keeping the old covenant law is sinful and disobedient.

So that's kind of the common thread in any of these what we might call Torah observant with quotes Torah observant or or Torah keeping Christian communities. And so because there were so many versions of it so many flavors with slightly different theology here and there I ended up coining the term Torah ism because that seemed to be the best Name I could think of that also didn't have baggage attached to it.

So I wanted to come up with a name that I felt would represent it the Torah. Of course the Torah itself is a beautiful and fundamental part of the Christian faith. So nothing against that but Torah ism is this misapplication of the old covenant law?

To on or against new covenant Christians, and it's just it's just Ridiculous and and it's amazing to see I get I bet I get More than a dozen messages a week directly from people who are either in their churches in their families and their marriages are suffering because of this Belief system or I should say because of people who are extremist about this belief system.

So so I'm seeing a lot of damage, but it's funny when I bring it up with with average churchgoers. They have no idea what it is. Unless they've experienced it then they're like wow, what do you do about it?

You know, so that was kind of the that was kind of the area that I felt God Sending me to which at the time I'll be honest. It felt a little bit like he was sending me out to like a remote outpost on the eastern front of the king.

Right, I wanted the big battles. But this is where he sent me and and of course God was right and I was wrong and there's lots going on here. So I'm glad I'm I'm glad I'm here.

Yeah, I mean it is something where no one Really tackles it or deals with it like you have.

Yeah, that's why that's why I ended up kind of pursuing it. What I ended up doing was Every time my buddy would write something some make some claim I would I would instantly know in my soul in my brain That's not right, but I couldn't put my finger on it.

So I'd study it and then post a blog article so I ended up with a series of blog articles about it and then my pastor said my pastor from my Previous church said you should collect all those into a book because we have that problem at our church.

He just had to kick a guy out of Sunday school Sunday teaching Because he was starting to teach all this stuff. And so I said sure that'd be easy. I got all these blogs. I'll just write a book, but That's simple.

So You know a year later. I finally got the book done. So.

Yeah, I'm writing a book is a big thing so first off we have a ST's e zone. I don't know how to properly press the zone. Maybe he says yo, you're awesome. Love your videos. Thank you. I don't know if he's talking to you or me.

I'm gonna assume you I'm gonna. Oh, yeah, that's a good point. It could be you it could be but I doubt it because I've never seen the name before. He's not regular here, but hopefully you will be haps says to ask you.

What to house theology is in human roots. Hebrew roots? Um.

Okay, so this is one of those things and it's interesting because all these different topics you get into with Hebrew roots. There are different flavors of arguments and some people use terms that we think have a meaning and it means something totally different.

To to house theology is this idea? Loosely speaking, you know, I'll kind of touch on all the different flavors of it that I've heard. But the idea it goes back to the the divided kingdom of Israel, right?

So you have the ten tribes in the north the two tribes in the south the ten tribes in the north were Wiped off the map by a Syria Assimilated and then the two tribes in the south Judah and Benjamin were then, you know conquered by Babylon went into exile came back.

Etc, etc. So out of that Exile and return came all these I'll call I'll just call them crazy conspiracy theories. I'm just gonna call them what they are. So things like the lost ten tribes of Israel. This is exactly the type of theology that even spun off into black Hebrew Israelites or just Hebrew Israelites.

I sometimes they call it now, but the concept of it is that Oh. We don't know what happened to the ten tribes. But so we think it's us whoever us might be, you know. There's there's a there's a British version of it, you know, British Israelism Israelism.

So it's the whole concept of how it split up where those tribes are now and then there's also another component or another approach to this two house theology the Kingdom of Israel the kingdom of Judah.

The thought one of the thoughts you'll hear is that oh, well, they're called Jews because they're all from Judah and now. When you become a Christian when you start following Jesus you have to join you become grafted into Israel and so you become an Israelite and So now you're under the law that God gave to Israel at Sinai is I'm I'm mashing up a bunch of different versions of it but this is the general concept that there's that there's these two houses these two the house of Judah house of Israel and somehow that impacts how we follow Jesus today and.

And for me someone who actually is an Israelite from the tribe of Levi I find it so amazing that like everyone wants to say. Oh somehow we become Israel. You know, I I've. I find it interesting that whether you look at the Catholic Church you look at the Mormonism you look at all these different groups.

They want to claim their Israel, right? And I think the the only way I can make sense of it is it seems as if they think that because Israel is called God's chosen people and Somehow this may that gives them some special.

I don't know. Grace privilege. You know to seem like they're special to Israel was used by God for a special purpose at that time and he's he had it doesn't mean that The church is not in a special place in this time, right?

Yeah.

Yeah, it's interesting because everyone wants to feel like you said special so it becomes it becomes an identity issue. Which to me is very problematic because you know Galatians There's a lot of things a lot of places in the Bible Galatians 3.

I'm thinking of specifically there's no Jew and Gentile in Christ. There's no male and female. There's no slave and free. We're all one. We're all seeds of Abraham by faith. So this trying to bring it back to an ethnic identity.

Really frustrates me especially when you've got like like I had vocab Malone on my channel interviewing him and he's like a Expert in in black Hebrew Israelism and and the concept is to me offensive because it's like God shows in Acts 17 Paul says God shows all the borders of the nations and when they would be and who would you know who where would Be born and he's in charge of all that stuff.

So no one chooses their own skin color or ancestry or any of that. God chooses that for us and so if you're an African American, let's say and you want to Eject reject the African heritage and say no, we're actually we're Hebrews.

And then now you have to say well when you say well then okay. Well, then who are the Jewish people today? Oh, there's some other, you know mutt race or something. I mean, it's just horribly offensive.

What you're doing is you're denying the identity God gave you and trying to go after something else. You know what? I mean and so it becomes Heartbreaking in a sense that that that some people would come up with these fantasies about how they have to chase after this identity when guard God already knows who they are and Determined all that for them and and we should all.

I think everybody of every skin color should be celebrating how God made them. Right, and so when you get into this and I think it's a I think it's honestly a spinoff from identity politics. Kind of the theological twist of it and to me heartbreaking.

Yeah, well, I remember after reading your book I asked you if you knew vocab I think I put the to you and actually do him. I introduced you because. So much of what you're doing. He's written the only book that I know of on black Hebrew Israelites and and net you're right now.

They call themselves Hebrew Israelites. Yeah, and and I just saw the work the two of you are doing. There's a really good mesh there. Yeah, there's a lot of overlap. Especially yeah, yeah and and for folks that you know, as I mentioned black Hebrew Israelites and as you mentioned it There's one passage they use.

Those who are longtime listeners here, you know when we've had black Hebrew Israelites come in here. We've dealt with this verse we had a debate actually got one guy to To finally debate me for like a year and a half because when I say I'm a I'm a Levite they freak out.

It drives them nuts. Because I think you're a fake Israelite you're not a real Israelite and I'll go how do you you know. Like the rabbis trace it back through the last names and through lineages, you know, so-and-so's father begot so-and-so's father.

You know like that's how you do genealogies, right? How do you have it? How could you figure it out? Because I don't think that like When the black slave trade was happening the African slave trade that they were like, oh what line what we owe?

Oh, you're from Judah. Okay, we could take you and bring you in and we're gonna make you a captive like that didn't happen that that's their argument because they'll say that like the The Judah those in America are from line of Judah and I think it's Dan that's in Jamaica.

Yeah, slave trade was really concerned in making sure the the tribes were kept, you know together. But the only verse they have that they used to argue. This is Deuteronomy 28 verse 68 and let me read this to you and and explain how they argue they say it says The Lord will bring you back to Egypt in ships by the way.

About which I spoke to you. You will never see it again and There you will offer yourselves for sale to your enemies as male and female slaves. But there will be no buyer now. They argue that this is the African slave trade because only Africans were sold as slaves in ships.

So the word that they will take literally is the word ship Egypt doesn't mean Egypt that that actually in their mind that actually means slavery. Now I've I've been confused with it because when you look at this It's kind of interesting with the fact that If if they're gonna say that this is the African slave trade and I've asked them this so are you telling me?

That There were no people sold as slaves because according to this It says they sell themselves to their enemies. But there's no buyer right, huh, that's not the African slave trade and one of the things that I have challenged them with is Jeremiah 44 verse 8.

Because what I argue is that we do know that there were Jewish people Israelites that fled to Egypt when the Assyrians came in and and and also in when you know Nebuchadnezzar came in they fled to other countries.

Jeremiah 44 verse 8 says provoking me to anger with the the works of your hands burning sacrifices to their gods in the land of Egypt where you are where you are entering to reside so that you might be cut off and Become a curse and a reproach among all the nations of the earth.

So in Jeremiah's time Israelites were fleeing to the land of Egypt. So we have the Bible telling us exactly what Deuteronomy is referring to.

Yeah, exactly. Well, I mean and it goes it goes even back further than that because you have to. We you and I talked about this before we went live. Context. Yeah. What is Deuteronomy 28? It's the it's the blessings and the curses the blessings for obedience the curses for disobedience.

And so that's tied directly to the people that were pulled out of it Egypt, right the Israelites I mean it from Deuteronomy 28. It goes all the way back to Abraham and so and so to think that that. So what that would have been what 3 ,000 years before the slave trade that brought?

Mm-hmm people here. You know, there isn't there is no historical line of connection between any of that is is the problem it. In the Bible, it's all directly related to Abraham and then Isaac and Jacob and then the twelve tribes and so on and so on.

But there's nothing there's nothing Anywhere that indicates that's not for those people that's not for those people in that time. And what happened was those were the blessings and the curses for the for disobeying or obeying and keeping the covenant, right?

Well, Jeremiah 31 says they disobeyed in the cup. They broke the covenant. And so we now are under a new covenant. I mean, they're they're missing the whole it's like they took a branch off the highway of Biblical theology and just went over to this weird strange Political theory that has no support in the Bible and no support in history for the things they're claiming.

Well, so what they do with this which is so funny. They take one word. Yeah ship.

That's literal everything that makes the connection in their mind, right? Yeah, and when you challenge them on it.

They go to Isaiah chapter 28 and this is how they that what they'll say is they say you you can't read the Bible like a book and so they look at Isaiah 28 10 and verse 13. Which says verse 10 says he says order on order order on order line upon line line upon line Here a little there a little and it recites the same thing in verse 13.

So they say you can't read the Bible like a book. You have to take it here a little there a little. Which is kind of really interesting because if they read Verses just before that order on order order on order line on line line on line.

Would actually say that you shouldn't take here a little there a little right? They say what you're supposed to do is take a take a verse over here and a verse over there and stick them together. It's called proof texting which is not how you interpret.

And it's just that's frustrating. I mean, I think it was Irenaeus one of the church fathers talked about false theologies like this and He compared it to like a mosaic, right? So you've got all these different tiles and the Bible puts them together and let's say it shows an image of a king Jesus as the king, right?

Well, so a lot what a lot of these false theologies do is they take the exact same tiles the verses and the ideas from The Bible mix them around and now they have a picture of a hippopotamus or something.

It's the same it's the same data. But it's just getting mixed up and you can really do that. You can go anywhere you want if you're gonna start pulling stuff out of context. It's it's it's really scary.

Books on Hebrew Roots, Early Church History, and Kosher Food

Yeah, it is.

So so let me let me just tell folks if you want you can go out and get the book tourism. It I know it's available on Amazon. Is there any place better they could go to get but.

That's the only place that's available. This is through Williamson College Press.

Did you refresh the cover. Because I might have it has the brown cover. You don't have the second edition.

No with 100 additional pages. Yeah. Wow. Yeah, this is this is the the the blue version is revised and expanded. Yeah, so it's available hardcover. Softcover. Audiobook. I did the audio thing.

And then well, so yeah, and this was the Kindle one updated. Yes, they're all. They're all in the second edition. Yeah, so I have I have. I have the Kindle version as well. So you have the classic?

Yeah, it's gonna be worth about four cents any minute now.

Ah, so hold on to that. Yeah, so let's get into. Well, actually first, you know, we should allow you to give your you know. Where do you work and some of the stuff that you're doing professionally? Yeah.

Well, I'm an author. Obviously. I've got I've got three books out a fourth one coming out. I've got one. For anyone that's out there. I got to promote the new book coming out. It's dropping in March. From Zondervan, it's called the law the Christ the promise and it's a it's a Galatians Bible study.

But it's an apologetic approach to that to that book. Yes, and I've got three other books. I'm an author. I'm also a professor at Williamson College here in Nashville a professor of theology and occasionally they'll have me do philosophy as well.

And then yeah, and then I've got a ministry defending the biblical roots of Christianity. So that's my apologetic and teaching ministry and we've got YouTube channel we're putting out constant videos Bible studies that sort of thing.

The biblical roots org is the website.

The biblical roots org. Yeah, you're also a musician. Yes.

I'm a recovering professional musician. I call myself.

You have you've done the intros for both my this show and My rap report, so yeah.

So I and I enjoy both of them and I do all the music little interstitial music cues on my on my videos, too. It's just a fun little side project for me to put some of that stuff together.