Responding to Dawah is Easy While Waiting for No Call

Just playing my air guitar along with gray level there with our opening music Still love that music. Thanks guys really appreciate you guys up there in Canada Supposed to be getting back up there at some point sometime Supposed to be doing a lot of that kind of stuff.

I guess doing a lot of travel around on the Facebook page on my Facebook page and in Twitter yesterday, we were talking a little bit about the Upcoming trips and our need for your support in getting where we need to be South Africa Ukraine London and maybe Popping into Scotland depending.

We'll see what we can work out there as That's just for the end of the year and then right after in January. I've got the g3 conference in Georgia and The week for that heading to the nice warm sunny climbs of Norway.

Still wondering how that works in January, but Obviously people live there in January. It's just gonna be a little bit Cool for those of us in Arizona someone in Twitter is saying that the YouTube link on the blog is Inoperative so I just thought I would mention that to you Seemed to work for me, but you know could be something blocking on their end for all I know You're on it, huh?

Okay. I don't know. He's he's working on it Real quickly we want to Have some commentary on the subject that we were addressing yesterday from the Dawa is easy folks and There was something what was the other thing I was gonna mention.

Oh, yeah. Duh. Let's see here. Where is it? All right yesterday. We did not have this information and we have this information now the location for the debate in Denver on Tuesday evening July 8th. All right, if you're in the Denver area now I Was just informed there might be about a hundred a hundred a place for room for a hundred people there.

So we'll see. I mean we'll see what kind of interest there is but 630 p .m. Start time and it's at the Brown Palace Hotel Brown Palace Hotel 321 17th Street, Denver, Colorado 800 3 2 1 2 5 9 9. I will try to get that over to our our Master of graphics and maybe we can put something something together.

But the debate on open theism will be at the Brown Palace Hotel on Tuesday July 8th myself and Bob Enyart 630 to 8 45 p .m. Is the time frame and If you are not if you are in the Denver area and You decide not to come out I'll never talk to you again.

I've changed my goatee. No. My trip to Ukraine should include some time in Germany. Mm-hmm. Well, you know, I don't know. The trip to Ukraine will include two weeks worth of teaching this time There next so you need to.

You need. I hope you're up for that. I was brother Nick in in in Kiev there and Poor guy he's gonna have to end up translating me for like three solid weeks in one year that that's enough to age any man and Nick's getting a little older, you know, Nick, you know.

Now Nick I started running while I was out there and I've kept running. I'm not running as much right now because I've got the big rides coming up, but I've kept running and so. What was my leash my leash is that the name I think it was my leash.

The dog the guard dog is going to have to be put away very regularly. Yeah. One week well, I haven't got an invitation from them. So you may know and where I hope you. Well, you gotta arrange this with the folks at eBTC man, you know, I mean that would be that would be a lot of fun.

But yeah, and you'll be teaching in English. Maybe this is new stuff that I didn't know about. Who knows? Well, we will see we will see but Nick is informing me of things live here on the air about the trip to Ukraine, but.

Yeah, Malish misses me. Yes. Malish was the guard dog at the at the what? You fixed it. Good. It is fixed. It beeth fixed it so you fixed something on the blog so that people can now be watching live.

Yes, it is now worketh it worketh. So That's true. Did you have a King James only guy call you this morning? What's going on there? But that was yesterday, you know me. So nobody everything. I'm just now remembering that conversation.

So no one no one's been able to watch up until now unless they were. Oh if they were went over to YouTube and you know got on our channel. They could watch live but now they can watch live live in both places.

Oh live live. Okay, whatever you say. They can listen live to. Anyhow what I was telling Nick is, you know, Nick you're not getting any younger. I think you should be planning to run with me. Because I'm gonna run the mornings a lot longer than I did last time.

I'm gonna have my shoes I'm just saying unless we're snowed in I. You know, I'm old enough to be your father and if I cannot run you and you know, that's not a good thing. So and maybe we can leave Malish off the leash and we can see how fast both of us can run.

Okay, so the n-yard debate. Remember Tuesday the 8th. We'll try to get Micah to put something up. I'm sorry Hasim son of Ramallah Prince of graphics Will will put something up and we're looking forward to To that.

I believe I did some more study on that this morning on the on the ride. Okay William by the way, if you're standing by out there go ahead and if you want to want to call in this morning. You said you said you'd have an interest in doing so.

So we'll we'll wait for William to give us a call and while we're doing that Evidently Some of you Challenge accepted. Mick says the challenge is accepted. Ah good. He's taller than I am. So He a lot a lot longer strides, but you better.

I I may not be fast Brother but I I just keep on going. I'm like the ever ready bunny. I just steady wins the race, right? Not normally, but it certainly Keeps you going. So anyhow. The dip I guess I tortured a number of people yesterday by playing that wonderful video At the end of the program.

Critique of the Dawah Is Easy Video and Its Opening Claim

Okay, do I really need to say Much about that pull it up a second. Let me show you this is right at the beginning of the of the video and notice what it says at the bottom. It says please note that Christians say Jesus is God Born-again Christians say Jesus is 100 God and 100 man, which does not make sense.

Exclamation point. All right. So there you have it right at the beginning of the video now. Anybody who is going to try to reach out to Muslims now, first of all, I would I would wish That people who are doing Dawa on the streets in London would have run into so many well-informed Christians that they would have some understanding but It is my experience that Ninety eight percent of the Muslims with whom I've had interaction Really don't have any interest in knowing what the people of the book actually believe.

That's just my experience and I would say a large portion of Christians don't really have a whole lot of interest in knowing what Muslims believe either. So I guess it goes both ways, but you would think that someone but the difference is that That Christians who do quote-unquote Apologetics street ministry street preaching things like that have a real interest in accurately understanding what Muslims believe.

That's that's my experience and that's why we try to very accurately explain what Muslims believe to Christians. So they can have respectful meaningful conversations. It's not my experience with Islamic apologists.

The majority of Islamic apologists only want to know enough to be able to rev up the base. They don't really want to know what we believe to be able to interact with it on a on a real meaningful level.

It's just just my experience and clearly the Dawa is easy guys fall into that category they they fall into that category and so Here you have a very common objection this is exactly why what you see in that screen capture is exactly why we did the debate that we did with Abdullah Kunda and with Bashir Varnia and You know if I can ever get Shadid Lewis to answer an email.

Maybe we'll do something similar this fall. Back in the New Jersey area, we're trying to set up a debate with Shadid Lewis. But Shadid Lewis will not answer any of my emails. I've sent three and I keep saying need to hear back need to hear back.

Please reply and I'm evidently not very high in the priority list so Anyway, if you're out there Shadid or someone who knows Shadid Trying to get hold of you Shadid need to communicate with you so maybe you could respond anyway.

Anybody who does apologetics and Muslims as soon as you see that that screen capture in that quote that that statement you you recognize that the person you're talking to really does not understand what we believe and You know that your duty your your task is going to be to Challenge and educate all at the same time.

Now do I really need to mention that what this young man did in? Starting off by saying something about Second century early church fathers is not how to do it. I mean Okay, let's say he's not trained in doing apologetics.

I mean the whole idea of calling this guy a theologian really seriously. But this is again is something that you see on the Dean show all the time. You see it now here on Dawa is easy and and all that kind of stuff there's a tendency to Exaggerate just a little bit as far as that is and so we've got this guy and he's obviously taken a couple of classes but and He's asked a question about the deity of Christ and every spot you start by talking about 2nd century patristic writers.

Now, I'm not saying there isn't anything Interesting to be found in 2nd century patristic writers there is Ignatius early 2nd century very early 2nd century. Incredibly deep and high doctrine of the deity of Christ, okay.

That works but You've got a guy standing there with a microphone and a camera in your face and he's already demonstrated. He really doesn't understand you don't go there. You want to lay a foundation you want to communicate and you want to communicate in some way this guy can understand.

So do I really need to say that this guy whoever he was? Totally missed the the cues as to how to effectively communicate with someone and then secondly as a result Let's seriously ask the question. This guy allegedly starts speaking in tongues.

Do you really think the Holy Spirit of God? Inspired this young man to start speaking in tongues so that the gospel would be mocked. I Thought. Well, of course I believe that the gift of tongues Had a specific purpose.

At least that's what Paul says it and that purpose had to do with the judgment on Israel. And so as you all know, I'm a cessationist when it comes to that particular issue, but let's lay that aside for a moment.

Let's say you believe in the continuing validity of the concept of tongues. You can't possibly argue that that was tongue. Of course, not sure how you could tell the difference between that and what's proclaimed to be tongues on TBN every day.

When they difference was there? It's some kind kind of incomprehensible utterance. But you're not gonna would anyone really argue that that was tongues. That was a Holy Spirit. That makes this young man all of a sudden become hyper emotional.

Break out in gibberish and then walk away from the Muslims. They're going we win now don't get me wrong the the Victorious claims the Muslim. That's not the issue. I mean I've been in situations with people from all sorts of different religious backgrounds where the Level of conversation dipped below the Pearls before swine level and that's pretty low for me.

I Mean, there's only one thing that if you want to stop a conversation with me it's it's pretty easy to do if you know how to do it, but Generally, if if a person hasn't become abusive or profane stuff like that It takes a while to get down to that level because I want to err on the side of grace.

But there are times when it it gets below that level and it's like it's time to walk away. And if the person just won't stop talking Then they will normally do the say you and you you may have answered their question 47 ,000 times and they're just not interested in listening to you.

Okay, I understand how it happens. But that's not what's going on here. At least not from what we saw. And the I guess the in the full Version of this is online. So All right. No, I'm not going to invest 45 minutes and in listening to that personally.

Unless somebody tells me I absolutely have to and then then I will but anyway. But is anyone really gonna argue? that the Spirit of God Was behind that sudden utilization of some alleged gift seriously Resulting in someone's that actually short-circuited The Presentation of the gospel.

So, so how could anyone argue that the Spirit of God? Was the one that did that the Spirit of God inspired this particular Experience and felt that this was the right time. I mean there was no testimony to the Muslims there other than you're running away.

You can't answer the question. Now I I know what was happening. Here's this young guy. He's getting challenged. I've seen it a thousand times before. Don't blame that on the Holy Spirit of God. There is another foe tongues experience right there Don't blame that in the Spirit of God and yet there could be a lot of people watch that and go.

Oh, yeah there that's that's how to do it. That's how that that's how you respond to it. So you'll notice let's just play a couple things here and again. William. Wherever wherever you are out there. You said you're gonna call in so feel free to Do that, let's hope he's not functioning on a college summertime time, which means sleeping in right.

I wouldn't know because I was married and working and Things are things were different back in the old old. Back today's my 32nd wedding anniversary. You didn't yes. Congratulations. Thank you. I'm not sure what you're congratulating 32 years.

Yeah in this day and age. It's that's she's one to put up with me. So well, there is that yeah. So you should be saying congratulations or my sympathy or something? I've I've I've mentioned how much you were graced many times before well, especially when you Were president of the Bachelor to the Rapture Club.

Yeah. Well, I Gave as you kept saying you kept saying that that from your perspective God had had mercy on me because he knew that I I couldn't you couldn't handle it couldn't have no way. No, no. No.

So I was 19. She was 18. Yep. Yep, that's a whole lot earlier than people do it these days and that means I've got a grandchild and still Have my sights here. So That's that's pretty cool, but yeah 32 years these days is pretty well even summer used to say Summer you say she would go to work and she talked to her.

Her co-workers and my wife would go in and there who's that? Is that your sister or something? No. No, that's actually my mom. That's your mom. Really. Wow. And then the conversation would come up and so how long your parents about 30 years 30 years and the sad thing is they just most those people just didn't know anybody that they married and that's that's a Absolute cry and shame but Then again, I'm a man and she's a woman and so that's another good thing anymore.

Does it it ain't gonna be long it is not gonna be long. I've maybe even June of next year because that seems to be when the Supreme Court decisions come down. Maybe even June and next year. It'll be it'll be forced.

Well, when we say forced upon us, it will be made the law of the land but woe to the land whose law is immoral. You know. That's not gonna mean it's over with. That did did the abortion debate end with Roe v. Wade.

No for most people. It only began with Roe v. Wade and If anything my hope and prayer is that once we hit bottom and you've got polygamy and You've got everything. People will look at that and go look what it look at the results now that will require work of the Spirit of God and Yeah, that's that's my mind a number of times just like come on people.

Can you not look around and see what's happened to our society? No, and yet you look at they will look back at the society in the 50s and they mock it. Oh, they do they do they do and They do that's not to say that everyone was sinless in the 50s, but There there's this mindset that you know, we're we've always.

We're always the smartest folks and we this this revolution has not been to our benefit by not by any stretch I I try to tell young people that all the time. I I apologize my generation has stolen The best of life from you not only indebted you to your eyeballs By.

Well, anyway, but I've stolen stolen the best of life from you because I'm awfully thankful that I've been married for 32 years to the same woman and I'm not saying that I'm some ex don't go asking don't go expecting some book on marriage for me ain't gonna happen.

She's a patient woman and and a blessing but The reality is that There are a lot of people in the younger generation that aren't ever going to experience. They're not going to get to experience What I've experienced in that way and that's that's a crying shame.

Anyway, what in the world we talking about? Oh, I want to play a portion of this. Hopefully you got the computer Listen Listen as we get started here. Tangent alert. Yeah, believe me. We went a long ways but First partially because I honestly really expected a phone call.

I expect a phone call, right? I mean he called in yesterday and he said he was as he Very up and very excited wanted to get on right away Just had to talk to you and I don't look 10 sharp be on the phone at 10 sharp.

Well, and he's like Arizona time. I'm like, yes 10 sharp. Okay, so what's the what's the what's the probability that at 11 the phone's gonna ring right as we're rapid Happen well, you know, we have a latitude that a lot of people don't expect.

No, no, no. No, I don't know today. I've got packing to do and stuff like that. What is this about my This is the second thing I've seen in channel about my Nick my goatee being wider than usual. No, it's not.

I Got I mean, I mean I grew I I my wife asked me to Grow the whole thing out wider. That was like four months ago. So I don't know what this is. Maybe it's a camera angle or the lights something. I did.

I did you can't mess around I did Messing with stuff. Yeah, well I'm the guy that you know The Super Bowl keeps messing with the color on the TV to get it just right and everybody finally yells at me and says sit Down so I just have to mess with him.

I just noticed that little something you're doing. Okay. All right. I got it The way a little something you've been doing All right. Oh, okay. You finally saw it. Yeah. Well, it took me a little all right now you're starting to get it I I get it.

But the question is will anybody else get one person? Oh, did they? Yeah. Okay. All right. Cool. Anyways, we're making the podcast people feel unhappy now. So let's listen to even Figgy thinks this wider.

No, it's not. I don't understand that Dr. Oakley's guide to a long and happy marriage find a woman who will put up with you for many years the end. Yeah, amen. That's pretty much. It's pretty much. Yeah.

Yep, and there you go. All right, let's listen to this really well knowledgeable.

The Question of Jesus' Deity and the Need for a Better Starting Point

And while you're sitting on the camera, you said you're a student of theology. Yes, it's a student of religion.

Religious studies and theology. Religious studies.

Religious studies and theology of a theologian. That's brilliant. I think so nice to have a expert.

Um, does he really think that this young guy is an expert. I mean really honestly, come on. What if what if we went out and did the same thing and we found some young student at the local mosque and presented him as an imam as a Sheikh of Islam and then.

Look, I can throw questions. And Any Muslim in the audience who's watching my debates knows I? Know enough about Islam that I can throw all sorts of tough questions at a and an uneducated young Muslim and make him look silly.

What does that accomplish. That's that's sort of what you know, is this Dawa is easy or Dawa can be made to look silly.

Because. Well, anyway to talk with for a change.

For a change I Sensed a little bit of sarcasm in the man's voice at that particular point in time. And your name is Daniel.

Okay, and yeah, you preach the message as well of Jesus of the message of the gospel. You're a preacher. I'm a evangelizer. Evangelize evangelize. It means to give Dawa to spread the message.

Now it's interesting for those of you who are not familiar with this and I'm assuming That most people are but we have new new listeners and viewers all the time. I do want to understand Dawa. What is this?

Dawa is easy. Dawa is calling to Islam and there are different stages of Dawa. What is interesting is that Dawa Encompasses concepts and activities that in in Christianity we tend to inappropriately Separate.

So I actually sort of like the the terminology because Dawa includes Apologetics. But we would say Dawa is evangelism and apologetics together. Obviously, I see apologetics as the sort of the flip side the reverse side of of evangelism.

They're they're intimately connected. You can't have one without the other. You're not really doing Apologetics if you're not calling to the gospel and and all the rest that kind of stuff but in Islam you don't really differentiate.

There is a calling to submission to Allah and to his prophet and a recognition that there is a need to answer objections in the process and so. Like I said, there's just different levels of Dawa for most Muslims there is the Giving of the of the witness in in public like this up to a certain point and Jihad does actually become a part of Dawa later on down the road.

So That comes into and we unfortunately see that a lot in the world today, but I go ask you is that.

Daniel do you believe Jesus is God or do you believe Jesus was somebody sent by God?

There there you have The key question, which has got too small to see. Do you believe Jesus is God or do you believe Jesus was someone sent by God? Whenever you're engaging in Conversation with a Muslim you have to hear what they're saying.

And be ready to ask questions. Now they've asked a question of us. How would you respond to that? How would you respond to that particular question? Now he's he's gonna say appropriately both. But if you don't explain how both can be true Then the Muslim mind is all in and again.

The Muslim mind it's like talking about the Christian mind, right? But there is a real high level of consistency on this point Amongst the vast majority of Muslims with whom you're going to have conversation.

What I'm saying is if you listen to this program on a regular basis You better be one of the people that if you find out your cabbie is a Muslim. You feel prepared to answer these questions and to engage with them.

That's what I want. I mean, I would feel terrible if there are people who listen to this program regularly and You know everything there is no about Calvinism, but you're too scared to talk to a Muslim Means I'm wasting my time and yours so In this situation, I'm trying to be very practical here Very practical in this situation.

You must understand that for the majority of Muslims There is an attitude that basically says you're a coffer you're an unbeliever AFIR not that or a coffer you're an unbeliever and you you really don't have anything to To explain to the Muslim the Muslim doesn't need to learn anything more about what you believe.

And they're not really interested in learning more about what you believe and they think that they have a higher Authority as to what you believe than you are and that's the Quran. Here's one of the major problems.

The author of the Quran didn't know what we believe there are fundamental misunderstandings and a part of the author of the Quran in regards to the Christian. Okay How do you get past that especially with a microphone and a camera in your face?

Well, you're going to have to Respectfully learn how to answer questions while asking questions and this is this is a skill that Honestly Does take practice and not everyone is Equally capable of engaging in this kind of conversation.

I I fully understand that and And I realize that there are certain Muslims that some of you might have more Opportunity to reach than I will and vice versa, but Maintaining control of a conversation Normally Requires a person who's willing to interrupt someone else who understands pacing Knows when to start speaking when someone else is speaking At a at a at the point where the other person is more prop more probably gonna stop Rather than and and not necessarily feel offended by that.

There there are certain skill sets that you develop over time along these lines and You have to be able to multitask. You have to have a goal in mind. This this interviewer has a goal in mind. He didn't go into this interview to find out what this guy believed.

He already thinks he fully understands what this guy believes and it's his intention to demonstrate that what this guy believes is incoherent inconsistent and indefensible. That's his entire purpose. And if Daniel here, I guess that was his name Isn't aware of that then he's being naive going right into it.

But anyway the the attitude the You See to see the easily interrupted today. There is someone in channel. I just had Jehovah's Witnesses at my door and they knew who James White was that doesn't surprise me.

I just remember the more missionaries who we met with one time and the guy looks at you and says you actually exist. We always thought you were a legend. I'll never forget I'll never forget when they passed my picture around amongst the missionaries and I was I was in the I was at somebody's apartment waiting for the missionaries to show up and I was looking out the window second floor and They rode by on their bikes looked up and kept going.

Rode the local Circle K called the guy up and said we'll talk to you. But now if he's there. So That's interesting. Anyway, see the cameras right there and and the chat channels right there. So it's it's a It's a look squirrel type thing for me.

Sorry. Shiny blinky funny thing. Yeah shiny blinky thing. It's it's it's the way we are today. It's just sort of so I do. That's majority Muslims have the Idea that they already know what you believe and why it's wrong.

And so trying to control a conversation While asking questions is not easy because once you ask a question you got to shut up. You've now really handed the microphone back to the other person and so It's actually the same skill set that you have to use in a debate.

I actually listened to my debate with dr Sanders this morning on my ride it had been a while and I You you know that there is the objection in a court of law. About a leading question where you're basically giving the information that you want the person to say, okay.

But when you're doing cross-examination There is a skill set involved in being able to can to pursue a particular path while asking questions. And that's a skill set that we have to develop. Especially in this type of a context you want to show respect for the person you want to show love for the person.

But your overarching purpose is always to love God and respect the gospel more than anything else. That's not an excuse to be boorish but that is a priority to keep in mind and so He's it right now. The Muslims in control and he thinks he knows exactly where he wants to go.

I would love to have these guys walk up to me on the street. That would be that'd be very enjoyable because Once this like like this question, do you believe Jesus is God or do you believe Jesus was someone sent by God.

I would say Well, the question assumes a false dichotomy and I would see by the response whether I'd have an opportunity to for example Give reference to the misunderstandings of who Jesus was found in the Quran.

I Mean if I wanted I wanted to go there immediately I would say man that sounds that sounds as bad as the misrepresentation of what the The people of the book believe that's found in surah 5 1 16. Now, you know as soon as you give a Quranic reference You've got their attention.

Because How many how many Christians do they walk up to in the street that have any idea now you got to be careful. Because some might just it's just like with Jehovah's Witnesses. When you You've got to be so so careful as to how much you say To one of Jehovah's Witnesses.

In revealing how much you know about the Watchtower Society, it's it's a it's a real fine. You've really it's it's a spiritual thing basically. Because on one side there's a real advantage to being able to speak their own language.

I've studied what you believe. You know, so they're not always sort of Pedantically trying to explain things to you. But then there's on the other side, oh this this person's an apostate this person has been exposed to apostate literature.

It says I need to stay away from them. It's a balancing act and only by talking to people. Can you find out where that balancing act really is? Including with the Muslim and. So you could go sort of full burners and say well.

Your question assumes a false dichotomy that that seems to indicate to me that you don't understand what we believe and that would Seems to come from someplace like surah 5 1 16 now, you've got the opportunity of asking could we look at that?

Do you have a Quran with you? Could we look at what surah 5 1 16 says and then I'll answer your question. Because Now you've sort of taken over the conversation now if I didn't want to go that fast if I didn't feel like That was going to extend The witnessing opportunity because that's what I want to do if I can't I?

Mean if if in my mind as I'm standing there and I'm going you know. We were going to be I'm just good. I was just going to lunch here. I can grab something light. I got plenty of time here. Let's let's extend this out as far as we can.

Um, it's not like I'm walking to do the unbelievable program in London or something like that. Which I which I walk there a lot actually. That's how you get everywhere in in London until you get to the tube anyways.

If if that was my mindset was extend the conversation you don't extend the conversation by going but by getting out the 50 Cal immediately and and Okay but you do want to take control the conversation and start moving it toward an opportunity of.

Well, you have to think ahead of time you this is something you have to make a commitment to be ahead of time and that is. What do I want this person to walk away from this encounter with. This is true.

I don't care who you're talking to you're talking to a Mormon. You're talking to Jehovah's Witness a Atheist secularist, whatever if you go into that conversation. Without a goal, you're gonna wander all over the place.

You did and you're gonna get done and sort of feel like I don't know what I really accomplished there. You need to early on ask the Lord. Give me the goal that I need to have in this situation. What I want what do I want this person to understand we walk away because in the vast majority of situations It's it's not like well, I want this person to get saved here in the next five minutes.

Well That would be wonderful but that's Probably not how this is gonna happen. And so what do you want them to understand? And so if I didn't want to go for the immediately go to surah 5 Approach do you believe Jesus is God who to be able to do this with someone sent by God?

My response to be something along these lines. Well, if you understand what Christians believe and you understand What the New Testament reveals? It reveals that the one who was sent by God and Jesus said he was sent by the Father.

Specifically not just by God. He specifically said the Father sent me. Also teaches that he had eternally been with the Father and That he and the Father send the Holy Spirit now what why have I emphasized using the term father here because I'm already Attempting to address a misunderstanding in the Muslim mind without doing it in an offensive fashion.

It needs to be addressed because you've got to understand the Muslim the Jehovah's Witness assume assume Unitarianism they don't prove it. They assume it and so Jesus can't that that's why this whole key question is considered to be a key question because it's based upon the assumption of Unitarianism.

Jesus can't be God and then send himself. Now, what's the assumption in the words? I just gave? Unitarianism the term God. Once we look in the New Testament we have the father's described as God and the sons described as God and the spirits described as God and and These persons are differentiated from one another and so they're not functioning on the basis of a meaningful knowledge of the New Testament.

And the vast majority today obviously are functioning upon the idea that the New Testament is a corrupted document in the first place filled with self-contradiction and As a result very few of them know it very well at all.

They might pick up, you know, this verse here that verse there. Drag them into the context they're lost. It's been my experience. They're they're lost. I just have no earthly idea. So the question Assumes Unitarianism, so that would be another way to go.

It'd be well, you know, you're using the term God there in two different ways from the Christian perspective. That's going to require them to have some kind of response. Like what do you mean? Which opens up the opportunity for you to say well Jesus is deity.

He is identified as God in numerous places. Such as John 1 1 and John 20 28 Romans 9 5 and Titus 2 13 and 2nd Peter 1 1. Now you've now you've opened the door to go back to every one of them as long as they're not challenged.

But then I would add While he's deity he's differentiated from the father and it was the father Who sent the Sun and then I'd ask a question like let me see if if you're confused here Who is who is Yahweh to you?