August 24, 2017 Show with Dr. Matthew Richard on “Will the Real Jesus Please Stand Up? 12 False Christs”

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day of August 2017 and I'm so delighted to have on the program

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In fact, he is a close friend of the guests that we had on yesterday pastor Chris

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Our guest is the reverend. Dr. Matthew Richard who is pastor of Zion

Lutheran Church In Gwinnett, North Dakota, we are going to be addressing his book.

Will the real Jesus please stand up?

Twelve false Christs.

And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you for the very first time to iron sharpens iron Dr. Matt Richard.

Thank you, Chris.

Good to be here and in studio with me is my co -host the Reverend buzz Taylor.

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Well before we get into something about your own background because.

Very often in fact most often when I interview a first -time guest I'd like to hear something about the

religion of their childhood and basically their testimony of how they

providentially came to really be convinced that Jesus Christ is their Lord God and

Savior and In the case of a minister of the gospel like you how you

knew that you had that call placed upon your life.

To become a pastor, but before that, why don't you let our listeners know about Zion Lutheran Church in Gwinner, North

Dakota?

Yeah, yeah, I serve at Zion Lutheran Church here in Gwinner, North Dakota, and It's a

smaller town just southwest of Fargo in the southeast corner of North Dakota and not sure if

your listeners or yourself.

If you're familiar with Bobcat skid -steer the Bobcat machinery at all the black and white.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah, yeah, they're actually manufactured right in this town here.

Wow, imagine if you imagine a factory that employs 1 ,500 people in the middle of a North Dakota prairie.

That's our town.

So we have a huge factory in the school surrounding the

factory town.

Just southwest of Fargo about an hour.

And so I've been at this church for about four years now and so serving the wonderful Blessed

Saints here at Zion Lutheran.

It's just a wonderful privilege wonderful people and Just kind of a quaint quiet little community

that we get to you know.

My family and I get to live in get to preach and proclaim Christ.

So that's kind of the context of winter.

And which synod is Zion Lutheran Church a part of.

Yeah.

I'm Lutheran Church is a part of the Lutheran Church, Missouri Senate and I think yeah, you know yesterday I

just tuned in briefly with and and he's in a

sister Senate.

We we are his Senate and and the

Lutheran

Church and We have kind of a rich

history of church as well.

And so since 1908 in this

community.

So it's over a hundred years old.

Wow.

Some again some wonderful people here.

Well, I don't know if you're a Cheers fan, but one of the funniest jokes I ever saw

on Cheers that actually made me laugh so hard that I'm sure the neighbors

All around my house and perhaps even in neighboring towns heard me laughing.

I don't know if you recall of the character Woody Cheers but

he came into the bar crying his eyes out and everybody was asking what was

wrong and he had to break up with his fiance and They said why'd you have to break up with her?

And he said I found out that she was Member of another religion and he says another religion.

I thought you were both Lutherans.

He goes, yeah, but I'm Missouri Synod and she's evangelical Lutheran Church of America.

Yes.

In fact, even though it was intended to be a joke.

They are really different religions aren't they the Missouri Synod Lutheran and the Elka evangelical Lutheran Church

of America?

Yeah.

Yeah, actually quite.

Do we stand above script?

Yeah.

Well, I believe it or not.

I've met on rare occasions.

Conservative Bible -believing Elka ministers.

They do exist at least they did a number of years ago when I recall meeting a couple at Bible conferences

that I was attending.

Why they stay there, I don't know but tell us something about your own a childhood

the religion of your youth and when you came to.

Recognize this recognize that you needed Jesus Christ as your Lord God and Savior and then

later on received.

You realized you received the call to the ministry.

Yeah, you know, it's interesting, you know, like my wife, you know, I don't really remember a time not having

Christ.

I mean Christ has been with me, you know always but there's different degrees I think in many times we see

this with individuals different degrees of change and understanding and I've often told people that

Typically with life.

What happens is when you come to a greater realization of your own sinfulness and your own failures as a human

being?

So the greater you see your sin the greater you see the need of a Savior.

In fact, I think it's John Newton once that said he said I know two things in this life I know that I'm a great sinner and I have an

even greater Savior.

Yeah, so, you know, I'm thinking back, you know, one of the times was no one's four or five you know really

kind of coming to to understand my sin in the way that Man, you know,

I like stole the cookie from the cookie jar jar and I'm really in need of a Savior.

I remember mom proclaiming those beautiful truths of the gospel that Jesus loves me.

He has forgiven me and then you know.

You go through the stages.

I remember going through struggle, you know, 13 14 years old.

You know having a new realization that not only do I sin but I want to sin and then boy that brings a whole different

dimension understanding that it's a war with my sinful nature that The Lord God the

Holy Spirit through the word is going to have two simple nature

and then you know There's an intellectual struggle later on in college that many people go through Where I almost left the Christian

faith.

I really had a lot of doubts and challenges and

Level and so it was about, you know struggling with the

where I always say the Lord he won, you know.

And then around that time I was involved

and so I read and the only way to do

that kind of a seminary.

So I set off for seminary with with no intention of being a senior pastor and really no intention of being in the

pulpit preaching.

I just want to work with youth ministries and Long story short.

I went to seminary for three years and then served some time out in

Moving you along and so I've been, you know in in the pastor role not necessarily with you.

I still work then, you know in your pastor type.

He's been about the last nine to ten years kind of how that all came about.

So with no no intention of being a preaching pastor by any means or no intention of writing a book or anything like that I

just wanted to use ministry

and You know, I guess the Lord Shifting and changing your gifts.

Found myself in the pulpit preaching and proclaiming so

great and well, this is a quite a captivating a title.

Of your new book I meet.

In fact, I contacted Concordia Publishing House immediately after seeing an advertising

an advertisement For it on the internet and I said I've got to interview this guy

without question and I and I checked up with a couple of Of my Missouri Synod Lutheran

friends to ask about you and they all Wholeheartedly said oh, yeah, you got to get

Matt Richard on your program.

So the the title of this book as we said earlier is will the real Jesus please stand up

twelve false Christs.

Quite a captivating a title.

What led you to write this book to begin with?

Well, actually Surprisingly, I mean this kind of kind of coincidence that you had Chris on yesterday

Chris Rose, bro.

He lives up in Grand Forks, which is which is just two hours north of where I'm at.

He he called me several years ago and he said, you know, Matt I want to put together a conference here in Grand Forks on the

soul laws of the Reformation, you know faith alone Christ alone and the word alone and

So he said I'd like to have you come up and speak, you know, you're local so it won't cost a whole lot for Transportation

and so I went up there with another gentleman another fellow pastor and myself and then Chris and we presented

on the Reformation the Soul soul.

That's what we would say the the Christ alone faith alone the word alone and so I was given the topic of Christ

alone and so I wrote a Lecture a paper for that presentation and

it kind of dawned on me that when we talk about Jesus We kind of have to stop and pause and say are we all

talking about the same Jesus and One of the tendencies is this is in our culture.

You can say to almost anybody, you know, do you like Jesus?

Do you support Jesus?

And I think for the most part, I think most people in our culture would you know have a

positive?

Feeling towards Jesus.

I was turning through The channels the other day and and and it just so happened that

show the view I don't want to Watcher but

Spirituality and Christianity and I found the ladies they were all very positive and very affirming of

Jesus and so I think we live in the culture where We can no longer assume that when we say the

name Jesus that we're assuming that we're talking about the same that paper I

set out in that paper to write You know Christ that we confess Christ and in him alone, but before we

can confess Christ we have to ask What Christ are we talking about?

So the paper went through and identified about six or seven Different views of who Jesus

is not and so before I define who Christ was I said well We have to define who he's not and

then through a series of events That lecture was taped and recorded and put on video.

And a representative from Concordia Publishing House happened to stumble across it and gave me a call and said, you know

Pastor Richard we we came across your lecture On Christ alone and the false Christ and we think

that would make a fun book.

And would you consider it so I kicked it around and and through a series of events I said, you know, let's let's go for it

and They gave me a couple editors and we started working on it and then

we made up to ten and I thought well You know an even dozen so we got it up to 12 false Christ.

That that are really prevalent in our culture.

There's obviously there's more than just 12, but these are 12 that I have identified for the book.

Yeah, I'm assuming that instead of getting.

Increasingly excited and enthusiastic as you started to develop more material about the

edition of more false Christ you were actually plunging into a deeper depression about it because

of the all these ways that the that society and humanity in general

falsely view Christ.

I can I can vividly remember a Episode of one of Bill

Maher's programs.

Bill Maher the very anti -christian comedian who has a couple of

Cable television programs and I was watching that day because he had on the panel a

Calvinist Author or blogger On his on

his program, which actually surprised me a very open conservative

Christian who was a Calvinist and he was saying as something about the

exclusivity of Christ and that No one comes to the Father but through

Christ and no one is going to heaven without Trusting in the shed blood of Christ and so on.

And he was talking about hell.

And Bill Maher said to this guest That doesn't sound anything like the Jesus.

We all know and love and The first it was this this was the first time I ever saw

Bill Maher at a total loss for words.

The guest Shut him up for about 10 seconds at least and he said Mr.

Maher, you don't know the first thing about Jesus and I was taken aback

How Bill Maher as I said, he was just talking to.

He didn't know what to say.

But my co -host reverend buzz Taylor has something to say.

Well, I just think before we get too involved in the subject that.

It seems as some influence of another TV program called to tell the truth.

Yeah, so you're saying that he's telling the truth today, I guess.

Yep, yep.

Oh Chris must be too young to know though.

I remember to tell the truth.

But what are you referring to?

Oh, yes, of course.

Yeah, I know what you're saying that When the the people would have blindfolds on

or something like that.

They would they would have three people pose.

Well one real and two fake right.

And they would ask the question the patent.

The panel was set blindfolds, right?

Yeah, I remember.

Yeah.

At the very end They would ask the real person to stand up and he would stand up and there's two frauds would be exposed and yep.

Yep, that definitely.

I can't say I watched that I'm a little bit younger in age, but I remember watching reruns of that.

That definitely came into play when naming the title of this book.

Yeah, and for some reason I knew that when I saw the the print ad for it on the Internet or the

graphic ad I guess I should say.

But it just dislodged from my memory until buzz just reminded me well.

What has been the feedback that you've gotten from this?

Has anybody complained that you would dare to question anyone else's personal view of Jesus

Christ.

You know surprisingly I was kind of expecting to get some hate mail on this.

But for the most part actually not.

I don't know of any huge critiques.

Everything I've gotten from people has been very very positive and very very helpful.

You know, I've had the common response, which I chuckle at, you know, people have said, you know, it's much better than I thought.

So I guess that's better to have that than the other but I think I think what

Really helps with this book and this is what we were being very conscientious of the editors.

And I when writing this book is since we're picking off false Christ and since This book is

designed in a way where you meet fictitious.

It can be very very applicable when a person reads it they can identify

These false Christ in themselves and their neighbors which can indeed get a little bit sensitive.

We may be hit too because to

be of a pastoral compassion where we're not Exposing these false

Christ to beat people over the head.

But we're exposing them because they're ultimately fake that have imprisoned people in

false doctrine false true oxymoron.

But but lies of the evil one and these false Christ ultimately they don't bleed and die and

suffer for their sins.

So embracing a false Christ is actually detrimental to a person.

So the compassion of the book hopefully comes through the very pastoral heart where

we expo and

gentle indeed I was resurrected with

him.

Yeah, a person would be very.

Tragically misled and mistaken and deceived if He or she were

to think that they are somehow safe just because they claim they love

a Jesus.

Sometimes I will have Listeners to my program or people who just

overhear something I'm saying in a conversation at a gathering.

Perhaps it's a social gathering or something and they'll they'll hear me

Identifying a certain Religious group that may claim to be Christian and they'll hear me

identifying them as a false religion where there is no hope of salvation and

The retort will be they love Jesus.

How can you say that they love Jesus.

There seems to be something that people think keeps them safe just because they say they love Jesus,

even though it may be a Jesus that is a figment of their own imagination a Jesus

that purely exists in greeting cards and You know a

Jesus that is Little Better or more

powerful than mr. Rogers, perhaps.

Mr. Rogers with the ability to create miracles Something like that.

They Don't they don't seem to be concerned about how

specifically this Jesus is defined

and The attributes of this Jesus and the details of this being Jesus.

They don't seem to be all that concerned about that as long as you love Jesus whoever that Jesus may be Or

whatever that Jesus may be that's a that's a tragic thing to take hold of isn't it?

Yeah, absolutely.

And it really comes down to the part of the most important question We can ask ourselves is who do we

believe Jesus to be, you know, so we can say, you know What we've already hit

Dustin that Jesus asks of Peter, you know.

People say that I am and We even see with the Apostle Peter who walked with Jesus and ate with him in

and was side -by -side With him for those several years of ministry Some 2 ,000 years ago

and even Peter himself.

He had misguided views of who Jesus was.

In fact, I mean when Jesus goes and explains to him that he is the Savior who's going to bleed and

die and suffer.

You know at the hands of the authorities and be bloodied up on a cross Peter himself he

he stands up to Jesus has made us never be and in fact what he's essentially doing is I Embrace you

Jesus, but that description of yourself as a bleeding and dying savior.

That's too much I don't want to have any part of that.

That's not going to happen and we see Jesus going from Telling Peter that upon this

rock of this confession of who I am.

The church is going to be built upon this confession this great confession that he is the Christ the Son of living God.

He goes from that to condemning Peter and saying get behind me Satan.

So the reality is you see that the Apostles even got his identity wrong at times

In in processing who he was and so he had to correct them.

The Apostles who were right there with him.

So to think that we are somehow immune from that Is rather naive and I don't mean

to be harsh when I say that but you look at Peter who gets his identity wrong And needs to be corrected.

Well, we definitely get need to be corrected ourselves constantly by the Word of God Coming to us and as

Jesus reveals himself in the scriptures what he has done for us and who is identity.

You know, what is identity is really about I?

Want to read a little blurb here from a pastor Brian Wolf Mueller of Hope

Lutheran Church in Aurora, Colorado.

He's also the author of has American Christianity failed and by the way any of our

Listeners, especially our Lutheran listeners who may want to listen to my interview with

Pastor Brian Wolf Mueller God willing on October 4th 4 to 6 p .m. Easter time.

You might want to mark that down on your calendars.

Brian Wolf Mueller will be on October 4th.

To discuss has American Christianity failed, but he has said about the book Discussing will the real

Jesus, please stand up.

Will the real Jesus please stand up will challenge equip and most especially Comfort you.

I'm assuming that the comfort is coming from your revelation at some point in the book

Who the real Jesus is in the gospel of?

Grace and mercy.

That only he could offer.

Yes, absolutely.

And again These false Christs, they're they're figments of our imagination and and they're really propped

up Like a puppet strings dangled by our own assumptions in our own

imagination sin death on the devil.

They and that is the reason why we need the real Jesus.

And so there's an essence of repentance that needs to happen being brought to repentance of our own Idolatry

that we do with Christ how we fabricate him in our own mind, which is indeed painful repentance hurts.

Being brought to a realization of our sin.

It is a grief even

to hear again who who lived and died and and was crucified

buried and resurrected for us and That's the beautiful message of the gospel that this

Christ now who is living Not only died for us But he's risen for us and that we belong

to him that he has purchased us not with gold or silver but with his own precious blood and

That's the comfort that we have knowing that These other false Christ, they're going to change

go left and right depending on our own Imagination, but this Christ the Christ Stands

above it all he's not only the creator You know, and you know,

but he's the one who holds all things and he will come back someday To judge the living the dead and that we are

in him that he will look to us and say job well done and good and faithful servant and

You will give us resurrected bodies and and get to be with him forever so it to

be and to know Christ.

The real Jesus. Amen.

Well when we come back from our first break, we're going to have our guest today

comment on the first of the false twelve.

The first of the twelve false Christ the mascot.

Jesus the mascot and We'll have him explain what he means by that and

We'll get to as many of these false Christs as we can today.

I don't know if we'll be able to get to all 12 and a two -hour program.

People think that 12 out that Two hours is an extremely long time for radio program.

It's really not when you're getting into an an exciting topic a fascinating topic a challenging topic.

It can go by like a bullet and I'm sure today will go by Just as quickly as a speeding bullet.

But we will try to get to as many of those as we can and we'll try to get to as many of your questions.

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is Reverend, dr. Matthew Richard pastor of Zion Lutheran Church in Gwinnett, North Dakota

a Congregation within the Lutheran Church, Missouri.

Synod we are discussing.

Will the real Jesus please stand up.

12 false Christs and that is the new book by dr Richard.

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And before we went to the break as you know, dr. Richard we

Addressed the very first or at least we identified the very first in the list of 12

False Christs that you address in the book and the first is the mascot if you could explain.

Yeah, the mascot and if we can

think of him We we have just down the road

from us in Fargo, North Dakota The NDSU bison and I take my family there all the time for the football games

and we just love the bison.

They have done several national championships FCS and They have a mascot

named Sundar.

He's a big bison and the neat thing with Sundar It's thunder tears on the

Bison no matter what is going on.

I mean they could be losing a hundred to nothing and thunder would be the only one in the stadium cheering on

The the bison football team and so this false Christ is much like that.

It's a mascot and this false Christ cheers on individuals in whatever they do in life

No matter how sinful this mascot people

being happy Of Actualizing their pleasure in their life.

And so with this false Christ, you're not going to hear anything such as hell or judgment.

You're not going to hear anything that condemns something as sin.

In fact, this false Christ is all going to be about Maximizing pleasure and the pursuit of

happiness at all costs.

Yeah.

Sometimes people even Sad to say people that I believe are truly my brother and

brothers and sisters in Christ.

Their emotions and their sentimentality Can overcome

Their their duty as Christians to tell the truth and evangelize the

lost with the facts about the gospel the facts about the sinfulness of man the facts about

hell and heaven and.

So that even though they may believe certain things and certain truths vital truths regarding Jesus and the

gospel themselves.

They candy -coat these things when they are telling others about them because they're more concerned at

least at that moment.

They're more concerned about that person's feelings than their never -dying souls.

Or perhaps they're more concerned about their friendship with this individual or individuals

than they are over their souls and and and more so than their

Need to obey Christ when they when they evangelize.

Isn't this a tragedy that the people?

Tend to be more concerned about the feelings of others and the friendship of others than they are Over

where they will spend eternity.

Yeah, this false Christ definitely gets along with about almost anybody and Really at the

heart of this and not to not to throw out $30 words here.

But really at the heart of this false Christ is something called hedonism.

Hedonism is basically an ideology.

It's an ancient ideology that basically says to us that Whatever brings us

play to pursue so happy and if

you're sad, then it must be bad.

So we base our ethic gives pleasure.

So if it makes you happy as the The old rocker

happy can't be that bad.

But if it doesn't make you happy Then it must be very very bad.

And so in this first chapter, we actually meet a lady named Jillian.

And so again these each chapter has these fictitious stories based upon real -life events that

I've encountered these false Christ.

And and so we meet Jillian and she's on an airplane and she's struggling because the Jesus

That she embraces is quite different than the Jesus of of her parents and her pastor and the

church that she grew up in and for her.

You know when she looks at Jesus.

She cannot understand or have a Jesus in her life that would cause her any amount of sadness.

And so the Jesus that she is embraced is the Jesus that well See to her

having pleasure at all costs and really what is fundamentally at work is this idea of hedonism?

Which is that which makes you sad as bad and she's taken that and she's

hoisted and she's placed that upon Christ creating a false Jesus in her mind.

And again, that's coming back to that the mascot the false Christ I call the mascot the one who cheers

Jillian Jillian on in whatever she does and so Happiness

all about you know

her sin, you know

this I don't know

if you have another false Christ.

That More directly it relates to this idea or this

category of professing Christians and I and I emphasize the word professing

but it sounds a lot like in in a different way than the one you described as far as

the The Jesus of the average person that doesn't want to let go of their idols in

life.

But it sounds even a lot like The word of faith movement the name it and claim it

movement the prosperity gospel movement this this idea of

Hedonism where the the seems that the main emphasis of these preachers these prosperity

preachers is That if you come to Christ and especially If you give them

money you will achieve the the You will reach the

goals of your of your dreams and hedonistic pleasure of all kinds.

Yeah, you know and believe it or not. That's actually chapter 5 In the book and chapter 5 is on the

false Christ called the giver of bling.

That giver of bling is all about it's very similar.

Like I said is very very similar to the mascot and all these false Christ now I should back up a little bit all these false

Christ.

They all contain an element of truth of the real Jesus.

But then they're adjusted ever so slightly based upon based upon

the assumptions of the person.

So like a strainer they take the real Jesus of the Bible and they strain out that which is, you know

Unpleasurable to them that which they don't want to embrace and then the aspects where maybe he's lacking.

They'll add an expansion pack of different ideas upon Jesus so so

people basically will take Jesus and they strain away that which they don't like and they apply

that they want to enhance him with all to suit their own fancy and so.

Again, all of these false Christ.

They all have elements of truth to them, but they're adjusted to them

and so the mascot is a Dean is indeed a flavor of a false cry for

a bling and the giver of bling is all about rejecting suffering and it's

about this prosperity theology where by actualizing and having enough faith

if you have enough faith as like some sort of Deposit or some sort of way of actualizing and engaging this

false Christ.

Then this false Christ is going to dispense health wealth and profit.

Well the next false.

Christ.

That you address is probably the most common.

Globally.

And that is the option among many.

Yes, the option among many we meet an individual named tomorrow and I meet

tomorrow in a coffee shop in Southern, California and Through a series of events.

What what we find out is that tomorrow?

He embraces Jesus, but the Jesus that he embraces is an option among many

no different than from Muhammad no different from the different religions out there

and so civity and so he is not an

Exclusive Jesus.

So what this looks like is for tomorrow That Jesus is not the way and the truth and the

life.

But he is a way and a truth and a life.

So he changes it from V which is definite to the letter a so he's just one of many

Ways one of many truths and one of many lives that are out there.

It's rid of the exclusiveness of Jesus and then he also gets rid of

what we call.

This is another term that the reader will be introduced to is is this it's binary

opposite.

Mar doesn't like the idea of there being Heaven and hell so if I say heaven

hell if you say You know if you say good if

you say up and the opposite that would be down.

He doesn't like having those categories where there's an either or decision.

But he rather wants to see that removed where everything's sloshed together.

And then he coats this false Christ with cultural tolerance and Religious

pluralism so we have to be tolerant of everyone and everyone's on the same

Utopia the same outcome of some sort of heaven so really this

watered down to the point where there's no exclusiveness

his assertions are not true and He's all about Tolerance, which is

really.

Yeah, in fact.

The early Christians likely would not have been martyred at the hands

of the Romans if they had this kind of a Jesus because the

the the Roman government was not insisting that Christians abandon Jesus

altogether.

They just wanted Them to add Caesar to the mix.

Am I right?

Right.

Absolutely.

This one this one is very very prevalent in our day and age and and you're absolutely right.

You know who can who can find a problem with the option among many?

You really want to come down to it?

You know again people can look at Jesus and they can you know, basically appreciate.

Man, he he taught a lot of new things and the poor guy went to the cross.

Etc, etc, and you know deal with that.

But as soon as you make exclusive claims.

Drawing a line in the sand saying this is right and this is wrong.

And as soon as you take the exclusive claims of Jesus.

Saying that he is the only way that he's the only way to the father well, then by implying that

you're saying that everyone else is wrong and that again comes against the

Notion of one to have tolerance and tolerance is one of the big no -no's in our culture that if you sin

against tolerance there's definitely a blowback definitely a retribution that you have

to pay culture that promotes tolerance and.

This idea that we can all get along and that there's no such thing as exclusive ways of

selling and.

We're going to be going to.

Actually, no, I'm sorry. I misread the clock there.

We're not going to a break yet.

I think I'm going to take a couple of the listener questions before we go on to any other

false Christ's very bizarre way of phrasing things but that the The only way

I can communicate logically and understandably during a conversation like this, but we

have Rose in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania.

Who says in your book on the real Jesus?

Are you coming at the topic by way of the many misconceptions people have of Jesus and

How that forms their ideas of him or from the aspect of the Mormon

Jesus the Islamic Jesus? Etc.

Or is it both?

Well, you've already in some way answered a part of that question, but I don't know if you're really Getting

down to any of the cultic Understandings false understandings of

Jesus that in some cases bear no resemblance to the biblical Jesus.

Yeah, actually with that I don't necessarily start from the perspective of different religions, you know, obviously

Islam talks about Jesus, but their view of Jesus is quite different than the view of Christianity as well

as Mormonism.

Their view of Jesus is of Jesus and so we're really

starting from the again the word Presupposition or we would say assumptions the

assumptions that are prevalent in our culture.

That people have and these assumptions that kind of function like glasses that we wear.

And so if you have rose colored glasses and you look through those everything else is going to be rose colored.

And so we approach the Bible we approach Jesus and we see him through a tainted

lens.

And usually that tainted lens is derived from our own Ambitions and so it's not a

coincidence that these false Christs are often created in the own image of the person.

Wanting to have that false Christ and so we will construct Jesus to really look like ourselves.

We don't want to have a Jesus that stands over top of us interrogating us.

We want a Jesus that works with us because we don't want to be in conflict.

We want to be affirmed as human beings and everything that we do, but tragically when we go that route

We we persist in our sins.

We need a real Jesus who comes and can call out and point out our sin because then when our sin

is pointed out we can hear about the Christ who actually forgave us of that sin and Rescued us for

for all of eternity.

Yes.

When you said that people don't want the Jesus that towers over us.

I think that's why Christmas can be such a universally popular.

Holiday.

Even inside and outside of Christianity because there we have the harmless helpless

baby in a manger.

Everybody loves that cooing Baby that baby.

Either in the manger or in the arms of Mary that can do no harm to us.

That seems to be an extremely popular Jesus.

It's a very good point and and even this too.

I've noticed over the years that when we get to Good Friday Some churches will have Good Friday services.

I've noticed a tendency among even us as Christians.

We sometimes look at the Christ who's bleeding and dying on the cross and we want to skirt over it.

We're so uncomfortable with the blood and we're uncomfortable with the nail -scarred hands.

And so we want to just kind of skirt over that real quickly move on to the resurrection.

Not that the resurrection is bad.

I mean we want to embrace the resurrection.

It's a it's wonderful.

It's a part of our our salvation, but we get uncomfortable with a Jesus who's too bloody

Christ that suffers too much and so we want to jump over Good Friday and get to that Sunday for the

resurrection.

And so it's all about again.

It's all about Taming Jesus so we want to take him and we want to make him tame

and I'm often reminded of C .s. Lewis's book the Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe and there's just a

I just love the line I think it says in the line a

line in there.

Is he safe?

Yeah, yes.

Yes, mr. Beaver, you know, is he a good line?

Is he safe and Mr. Beaver goes well, you know, what

we want to do is we want to make him safe.

From the perspective that we want to be able to put Jesus in our back pocket.

We want to put him on a leash so that we can drag him around and do our biddings but the

Lion of Judah cannot be tamed.

The Lion of Judah stands over top of us and The Lion of Judah is the one who interrogates

us.

So Really?

It's all about us trying to tame Jesus so that he might Suit our own

fancy, but the real Jesus will not tolerate that he stands above us.

Amen, I love the line from a Michael Card song Michael cards one of my favorite

Christian recording artists and he has a song called the lamb is a lion

roaring with rage and giving that contrast between

the the lamb that was sacrificed to the the lion that is returning

with judgment and Quite quite a contrast and people like to

think of the the lamb.

But they don't want to necessarily think at all or they in fact dismiss the

lion.

And that when you'd mentioned Good Friday, I think that another way that That

people even well -meaning people perhaps even well -meaning Christians

Diminish Jesus's power Diminish Jesus's

Voluntary Sacrifice on Calvary the fact that he laid down his own life.

They diminish that and they pity Jesus on Good Friday they view him as an object of

pity and They feel sorry for Jesus, but that is not the reaction

that a Christian should have over.

This is it.

No, absolutely not is that he goes to the cross on his own accord.

He does this on his own will to redeem us and so the cross is

eating and dying the forgiveness of all of our sins.

And so I mean the reality is is when it comes down to it and he

chose to go there for you and for me and for All to

be judged by God and

then to indeed.

He's not some helpless victim being dragged to the cross.

But he went there on his.

Well, we're gonna go a break right now.

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Well, we are now back to our discussion on will the real Jesus, please stand up 12

false Christs, which is the title of Reverend dr. Matthew Richards new book

published by Concordia Publishing House and We before the break.

I told you Dr. Richard that we Had a email that I forwarded to you so

you could read it over from Daniel in San Jose, California.

He says hello brother.

Would you please ask your guest to address the leading or most detrimental false view about Jesus

today?

Well, he has a few questions here.

So I'll start with that one.

Yeah, you know a very good question that Daniel has.

I'm not here's here's the thing is each of these false Christ through the book that 12 false Christ

they are Presented within particular context with particular individuals.

I to a false Christ are active church grower

church goers, excuse me, other ones are Individuals you'll find in an academic setting such as

college other individuals are people that you will find in the coffee shop.

And so really depending upon the context and their circumstances where they're at is going

to show which Christ has come forth.

And so in church as a whole.

You have a certain amount of false Christ and then the other false Christ some of these other ones.

You're not going to see within the walls of the church you're going to see them more in the popular context of the coffee shops

and the Dialogue of the the day of the average person the non Church

going person.

So within the church, I think though we can narrow it down.

Maybe handle it twofold within the church.

I think some of the top ones we're going to see is going to be the giver of blame which is a prosperity.

Theology false Christ that one's gonna be very very popular and then as you work down.

Some of the other chapters here we talk about the moral example.

And so is a moral example and so

Isolates sin is only bad events and and The the law of

God is an achievable thing.

So this can you on in the moral

example of following him now?

We want to affirm that definitely Christ is an example.

We can look to we see him and we see righteousness.

But if that's all that the Christ is is just a moral example.

Then we're left in our sins because we obviously cannot be Jesus.

We cannot fulfill and be perfect as Jesus is and we fall short in our sin.

So we need a savior who's going to bleed and die for us.

Those are ones that are very popular within the church.

But as you get in culture, I would say that the false Christ that in culture is probably most prevalent right

now.

Is the social justice warrior Jesus the full social justice

warrior false the

Marxist

ideology how that?

Ideology shapes and forms this is not about

bleeding and dying on the

cross helping that was

very popular and then also the other one.

That's

very very much a

very talking.

Oh, there may be a

little bit

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There is a a false Christ that I think here in the United States.

Those who are among Christian circles that would most resemble I

think the ones that you and I and the Reverend Buzz Taylor are a part of

the conservative Christians the Christians who may

be a very strongly and adamantly pro -life as I believe all Christians should be.

I don't even know how any truly regenerate person could be in favor of the murder of unborn children,

but and also those Christians that are outspoken against Same -sex marriage and

so on which all Christians again should be but sometimes these matters

eclipse the gospel and We have adopted this national

Patriot Jesus that you mentioned the the national Patriot

Jesus that seems to be more about protecting what has been identified

repeatedly in the media, especially the conservative media as protecting our Western

Values, I'm not even sure what that means in the 21st century when I hear our

president and when I hear Conservative pundits on Television talk about we need to

protect our Western values.

When we are living in a country that is murdering Unborn children

and where You could lose your job very easily by questioning whether or

not same -sex marriage is legitimate.

I mean, this is really a strange thing to be Bolstering as a

primary thing to be protective of Western values if you if you could come and you follow the

thread where I'm going here.

Yes.

Yes.

Yep.

Absolutely.

In this chapter we meet the national Patriot.

And again, this one is going to hit a little bit closer home to the listeners and ourselves and and in this

opening chapter We meet and we actually hear a story about me going to the church and coming in the

sanctuary.

And there's a couple of ladies up at the front by the altar.

Lutheran churches typically have an altar up front of the church and they're kneeling down by the alternate.

I'm really puzzled by what's going on and I went up front and they were caught off guard and they were startled and

Through a series of events of conversation come to find out that they are moving.

There's a Christian flag and an American flag.

I think many churches will have that in the United States be familiar with that.

But the senior pastor of the church Was a little uncomfortable with the American flag being so close to the

altar.

In fact, it was kind of blocking the view of some of the people on the side of the church.

So he was hoping to kind of distinguish between the difference between the altar.

Representing the church and the American flag which represented represents the state and

so he ended up moving the flag.

But he made a person in the church named Jack a very very angry.

For Jack removing the American flag was only to him and

what was happening is he had actually Amalgamated he had actually combined

to the church with a an Americanized Jesus.

And so the Jesus that he was really subscribing to wasn't necessarily fully about

forgiveness life and salvation.

But this false Christ that he had held to was more about life and liberty in the pursuit of happiness the American

dream and so back to the story here the ladies in the church, they moved the flag

back in order to Appease Jack, but then the pastor told him to move the flag

two inches every week subtly so Jack wouldn't know and so.

Again, it's kind of a humorous The point the point being is is

Anytime we take these two kingdoms We would say the kingdom of the left and the kingdom of the right.

These are terminologies that are used in theology the kingdom of the left.

Which would be the

is lost

and with

blood

and

tea with an

American flag

who is on the American

dream now.

When I say that immediately we we kind of can react our patriotism can react to that.

We can find ourselves being defensive, but here's the whole point of this chapter.

Jack was was a very patriotic Person part of the church and there's nothing wrong with

being patriotic patriotic for one's country The problem was that he melded these two

kingdoms the state and the church he put them together Rather than distinguishing them

separately from each other.

And so the point of that is that we want to distinguish both kingdoms both

from each other.

That way the state can rule through

the amen.

Yes, and I Can remember right after? 9 -eleven

one of the most horrific dates in American history

Where more Americans died from an attack from a foreign enemy than any

other time in history.

You had this idea amongst a lot of Christians and Americans in

general that That that God could

possibly not have had anything remotely involved with That

in his providence.

This is only In the hands of the evil one that was only in the hands of

those maniacs and satanic individuals that perpetrated the event.

But there is this idea that that God is always on America's side.

God could not possibly ever be opposed to America.

No matter how many babies we murder or how many Open

doors to licentious activity we we provide for all

kinds of perversion.

And celebrate it not only tolerate it, but actually celebrate it.

We act as if God could never be opposed to us when in fact

we have He Israel and the Old Covenant going through really horrific trials that

was that were brought upon upon God's people by the hands of God himself That

he orchestrated using the enemies of Israel, and I'm not saying that we are to be

compared to Israel America, but if God were

to orchestrate those chastisements against a nation that truly was

His uniquely chosen nation.

Why on earth should we expect anything different in the 21st century?

Here in the United States.

Yeah, you know when it comes to that I mean think of that example.

You know establishing the two kingdoms.

We would say the kingdom of the left and the right the kingdom of the state and the church.

We as citizens we as citizens are a part of the left -hand kingdom the state.

We we pay our taxes we we vote we're citizens of the United States.

And but we're also citizens on the other side citizens of the kingdom of God that we belong to Jesus.

We belong to the church, so we're churchmen and church women parishioners.

You know baptized Christians into Jesus's name on on that side.

And so when when calamity happens and struggles happen culturally one of the things that can happen is we

can you know say well That's the state over there.

I have nothing to do with that and so well the problem is is

that side are our Left -hand kingdom that is being that we have a dual

citizenship that we are part of the state as citizens so when Bad things happen

or there are problems in politics when they're national disasters.

We as Christians we can repent we can say God be merciful to me a sinner because we are part of that

Society in the left -hand kingdom and at the same time we can also repent as Christians in the church.

When we find there being struggles in the church as well, and so in essence we wear two hats.

We have the half of a citizen and a half of a parishioner being members of God's kingdom.

By his grace and mercy and being members of the state through

ourselves people that we do is we don't need Christian lawyers we

don't need Christian politicians, but rather we need Politicians

who are Christians and lawyers that are Christians.

And I think that's a little bit of a different nuance which captures these two kingdoms.

Being faithful in both and

kingdom and

again.

Yeah, I

don't know if it

disturbs you as much as it disturbs me.

But it is very popular amongst conservative Christians.

And I think that in some ways I don't want to go overboard here but I think that in some ways a liberal Christian is an

oxymoron, but There what disturbs me about my

own people is when you see this.

This parading of the the uniqueness and wonder and

glory and beauty of America which is

declared by professedly Christian clerics.

On the news and on television and on radio and so on and on the Internet without any call upon

our nation to repent.

It's amazing that even as I was mentioning about 9 -eleven how many? people

in the in the Ministry who when they were given a voice in the media to say something in response as to what

happened you hardly ever heard those words America must repent.

That doesn't mean of course that the Islamic terrorists were right

in their activity.

They will go to hell for that but at the same time When we just

constantly have the drumbeat of God bless America.

And as my friend, dr. James R. White has said many times that we should be singing.

God bless America with repentance.

There seemed that seems to be absent from the patriotic Christian in many senses, especially those that

you see in here in the media.

Well, you know you're right on repentance, you know, Martin Luther said in the famous 95 theses that

were Nailed to the door of the Warburg, you know 500 years ago coming up with

October He said that the whole life of a Christian is one of repentance.

And so we as Christians really, you know being citizens again of that of the church

Our life is one of repentance of our own sentence.

It's so much easier though To point out the log in our neighbor's eye, you know I know

a prisoner once said, you know pastor I want to take the log out of my neighbor's eye and beat him over the head with it.

But you know the life of the Christian is one of repentance where we're confessing our sin and and we can carry that over

Into the left -hand kingdom when we when we operate in the left -hand kingdom With a spirit of repentance

with our fellow citizens and so that that indeed when we when we cross over into the the

Arena of politics and need for life like you mentioned the life of the

unborn and we do that with the spirit of repentance Even though maybe a Christian hasn't had an

abortion or supported but we as fellow citizens we mourn the the the the

atrocity and the Destruction of human life and so we come into that left -hand kingdom the

state With repentance and tears and we plead and we work hard and we're faithful

with the laws that we have and we try to enact The system of justice

and politics to make a change for that but we do that in the deed in the spirit of

repentance and Tears and with hope of fighting for life.

And so again, that's that's where we distinguish the two kingdoms.

And we oftentimes serve in that left -hand kingdom the state Deriving our identity and our

hope and our assurance from that right -hand kingdom.

So through the church being citizens of God's kingdom.

We then enter into that left -hand kingdom and we act by the

laws and trying to enact change With repentance and fear of God and love for our neighbor

in that left -hand kingdom.

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12 false Christ's a new book.

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August 31st.

That is a Thursday.

He is going to be discussing.

The theme of the topic theme of the program I should say is Lutheranism 101.

This is basically going to be a program.

To help explain a Lutheranism because of the fact that a lot of people outside of Lutheranism are

very confused about it.

I'm not making any effort to convert my fellow Calvinists to Lutheranism.

I'm a very thoroughgoing five -point Calvinist, but I think that it might be helpful to understand our brethren in

Christ more deeply so we can have even richer fellowship with one

another and We can even have vigorous and Enthusiastic debate with one another

while remaining friends and brethren, but it should be an interesting time.

And then Chris Rosebrough is actually returning on September 20th and September

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To do part one and two of the 500th anniversary of the Protestant Reformation.

We will be going into detail about why that is such an important date with Chris Rosebrough on Those

two dates a week apart from each other September 20th and September 27th, and then as I mentioned

before Brian Wolfmuller another Lutheran

author is going to be our guest on October 4th to discuss his book which actually I think had a lot to

do with what we just were discussing moments ago the

the national Patriot Jesus being one of the false Christs that our

guest today was.

Discussing or describing the Brian Wolfmuller is going to be talking about his book has American

Christianity failed so that's gonna be on October 4th, you might want to tune into that and

We have a listener in our audience who has a question for you.

Dr. Richard His name is Gordy and he is from Mechanicsburg, Pennsylvania.

And he asks is something along the lines of a second Reformation what

is needed to stem the flow of Seemingly endless false Christ's both within

and without the church.

Wow, very good question second Reformation.

Well, you know really when we think of the first Reformation It was a return to the Word of God.

Lutherans of the 1500s were very very focused on not

necessarily Starting and rebelling a new church Rebelling and making a new church.

So Luther had not set out to carve out his own section of

Christianity for himself.

He was solely focused on up fixing the abuses and the struggles

in the church at that time.

Bringing them back to the sole authority of Christ alone faith alone grace alone and the word alone.

And so I would say that the church is always needing a Reformation

you know always needing to be returned back to the Word of God and Boy right now in our

time and age.

You know, maybe pastor Wolf Miller can can hit this a little bit more.

But well, I sure look out and I and I just see no shortage of Craziness regarding

the false Christ and false theology and really it stems back to You know not

being captivated to the Word of God and so in that sense yes, I would say we do need a

Reformation being reformed and being pulled back to the scriptures as the sole

source and norm for our faith and our ethics and who we are in our identity, but

Anytime that we place ourselves over top of the the Word of God or dismiss it nor or neglect it.

We end up just going down all these rabbit trails.

I mean, I'm thinking of the old hymn that we're we're prone to wander and we're prone to leave the God that we love and We see that

throughout history.

We see that throughout even the Old Testament with Israel always Chasing after

that which is glittery and bright always chasing after the pagan gods always chasing after

Something else that is more attractive rather than being brought back in repentance

To the word to the source of our Christian faith, which is the Bible

Reformation we're always needing a Reformation, you know what I say

we did right now.

But but once that happens though if we were to have a profound Reformation.

Then again, it's just we're prone to wander or prone to leave the God that we love.

So it's always being and

trying to be autonomous beings doing it.

Amen.

Well, thank you Gordy.

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It may not be waiting there for you.

Just wanted to let you know.

Thank you for the excellent question.

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One one of the false Christs.

May when I mentioned the the title that you've given to him may Startle people because they may get the

wrong idea.

But you've titled one of the false Christ's the good teacher.

Isn't that a proper title for the true Christ?

Well, yeah, I mean we definitely Jesus is referred to as a rabbi.

And any but this this false Christ and when we look at this chapter

is chapter 3 we meet a professor named Mr. Darby and he is the possible

atheist and so you meet him through my experience in college.

And again, these are fictitious people based upon real -life events and mr. Darby He

diminishes the divine nature of Jesus.

So anything referring to In the Bible referring to the miracles of Jesus are strained

out.

So Jesus walking on water.

Well, he wasn't walking on water.

Might might have been a sandbar, you know underneath the water or Jesus multiplying the bread and the fish.

Well, the people probably were inspired by his love.

So he really didn't multiply it.

This is this is the way of mr. Darby.

So anything of a supernatural?

Understanding his his view of Jesus is that he can't be more than just

a good teacher.

That's all that he is.

So he excludes and he strains out the divine nature the divine aspects the divine

miracles of Jesus.

And in so doing that all we're left with is just a moral teacher a person has some good

parables.

I'm really no different.

Then you know Muhammad Gandhi or any different than any of the spiritual gurus of the day?

And so again, yeah.

He strains out the divine nature and in the reason why he does this is that he puts his own intellect over

top of the scriptures he puts his own secular reasoning over top of the scriptures and he

Judges on the base knowledge and his understanding that these things would

not be possible.

So again, it can't happen anything of a divine.

Flavor could not happen for this.

Mr. Darby have a friend named.

Mr. Schofield.

I was just curious.

Good I'm sorry.

Didn't read the

Bible live.

Share that I.

Went online to social media with a lot of these people and you know, I wasn't necessarily too much of a troll.

But I did poke try to have

them kind of.

Mr Darby is one of those who doesn't take the Bible literally means

basically he doesn't take it

on that which he that

was of the divine

flavor from the Bible and.

Amen.

You have a another False Jesus that may the

title may confuse some.

Who view Moses as a type of Christ.

You you title this false Christ the new Moses?

How does that differentiate from an appropriate understanding of Moses being a type of Christ?

Well, yeah,

this new Moses who are

one point improved that are 2

.0 and the problem with this false Christ.

This new Moses for creates laws that are not in the Bible and so in

doing that This new Moses is all about creating laws.

Usually that are the the laws or the opinions or the stances of the individual

person subscribing to this false Christ and Then these new laws that are used to judge everyone else around

the individual and if they do not meet up to these new laws Then therefore they're condemned.

Well, the problem with this is when they're new laws and they're not in the Bible.

Well, if it's not the law of the Bible then It's really not sin as we know sin

by the law the law shows us how we understand our sin.

But these new laws are made up and usually they're made up by The false Christ and their

laws that are made up in a way for the person subscribing to them that they can fulfill on their own strength

so leads to a self all about

man -made traditions and Self justification and

strength and jumps to the.

At the risk of stirring up further controversy with my Roman Catholic friends as I have a habit of doing doesn't

the Church of Rome perfectly reflect what you're talking about because of the fact that they

Invented traditions of men that eclipsed the traditions of the Apostles and the commands of God.

Yeah, this new Moses phrase was used by The the founding father of our church

the Missouri Senate CFW Walter and I believe any

presenter that that used this idea of new Moses as well in his

writings.

And so it's basically implying that You know if God's laws are not enough then we add a

bunch of human and man -made laws but then what happens is that we reject the law of the Bible and

Then we start living by these new laws.

And typically what happens with these new laws that are man -made they change they're always changing

depending on the opinion of the person subscribed to the false Christ.

And so My whole contention in this chapter on this book is we meet a couple different

Individuals who have subscribed to this new Moses.

A guy named Walter Walters condemning Individuals around him on the basis of

these individuals not fulfilling a law that he believes comes from this false Christ.

But if it's not if it's not from the scriptures and how can we repent of it?

So he's actually spiritually abusing individuals by applying law That is not of the Bible

to individuals labeling them as sinners and then not giving them an opportunity to repent of it

but they have to kind of Appease this new law and and to make it up and

we have Ronald in Eastern Suffolk County, Long Island, New York.

Who says what do you think of the false Christ that has been invented both

by those who create a black Christ which

militates against the historical fact that he was Semitic or should I say Jewish and

Even the one that's existed for centuries the white Anglo -saxon Protestant Christ with

blonde hair and blue eyes and pale skin.

Is this not a dangerous area to be treading on by any one of any ethnicity race or culture?

Yeah, very good question.

Yeah, but that indeed happens and unfortunately I don't really hit on that in the book as a false Christ the closest thing

that I would hit on that is is the Feminized Christ and that is a Christ who

has definitely been feminized.

And again you strain, you know We talked about before we strain attributes of Christ out or we add

attributes of you know of Christ to him and then we create in our the imagination of our

mind a False Christ and usually again.

Like I said before that these false Christ that we create are usually credited in our own Image as a

way to justify ourselves in our own endeavors and our own aspirations.

And so again that when we go that route we end up hijacking The the Jesus of the

Bible and we use them to suit our own fancy and then boy it just it leads to

chaos rather than relieving everyone, you know, whether

our Context regardless of any of that.

The real Jesus will lead us all in a joint repentance beating our breasts and confessing together

that we are all sinners in need of forgiveness.

Whereas when you create a false Christ you have some who are living by their own righteousness and their own Justification

and you're putting others under your thumb and then you have division but the real Christ again leads us all to repentance.

Confessing we are sinners in need of grace.

And then he the real Jesus then absolves us and gives us that wonderful precious news of his grace and his mercy

that forgiveness of sins.

Now, what do you mean by the Christ who is a mystical friend?

Yeah, this one is is very Very prevalent to as well what happens with

then go the way of you know, taking Christ and we we

Separate him now.

We have to remember that that Christ rose from the grave.

He indeed rose from the grave and he ascended to the right hand of the

thing.

So Jesus right now lives victorious with body and soul being reunited and is

alive and well and So he is either he's a being or a human being

Who lives in and reigns victorious and we too someday will have resurrected bodies at the Great Resurrection.

But what can happen is the mystical friend is we take Jesus and we strip away,

you know.

We strip away his body

your

ties

ethereal deeply in our heart that we

confuse.

And so then when we want to know we

want to understand life.

Instead of going outside of ourselves

problem when we

do that is when we go to our inward

what Matt

Richard wants and usually what Matt Richard wants is sin.

Versus looking outside of myself to the Word of God and in this again, we want to make sure in this chapter We're

not talking about the Holy Spirit.

We're talking about Separating Christ from his body and then we take him captive and we throw

him in and then we let our desires and our own Ambitions and our own

thoughts run wild and we write it off as and

about a minute time or a minute and a half.

If you could explain the teddy bear Jesus, I hate even saying that phrase, but if you could.

This one.

Yeah twofold for this one.

One we we with the teddy bear Jesus we strip any suffering the nailed scarred hands the blood.

We pull that away from Jesus.

So we skip over Good Friday because we want to have a tame Jesus.

You know.

Like a teddy bear that can sit on the shelf and then we also strip away from this this Jesus to

create this false Christ.

We strip away into any intellectual ism.

We strip away any Doctrine or teaching because that's intimidating.

So what we're left with is a Jesus that doesn't have any blood because the blood scares us.

We're left with the Jesus that doesn't have any suffering because that scares us and we're left with a Jesus that doesn't have any

Teaching because we don't want to have any teaching that would interrogate us or challenge us.

So then we're left with a teddy bear that we drag around.

But unfortunately, this teddy bear is full of stuffing and really can do nothing against

sin death on the devil.

And which is the reason why we need the real Jesus come to us and to proclaim to us that

Sin death and the devil have been indeed conquered.

Amen.

Well, we're out of time and I know that your website for Zion Lutheran Church is Zion

Gwinner org, that's Zion G W I N N ER org

and I know that the Concordia Publishing House website is CPH org

CPH for Concordia publishing publishing house org.

You can also order the book Will the real Jesus please stand up through Cumberland Valley Bible Book Service CV

for Cumberland Valley BBS for Bible book service comm at CV BBS Comm.

Do you have any other contact information you care to give?

Yeah, I would say I have a blog that I use I can find it on Google.

But it's a pastor Matt Richard comm or pastor Matt Richard org or

if you just put pastor Matt Richard it in Google it should pull it up and The place where I house many of the different

sermons and articles and so forth that might be enjoyable for people.

Well, I want to know if Zion Lutheran Church in Gwinner, North Dakota

Has a Gwinner Gwinner chicken dinner at any time.

My kids my kids say that all the time.

Yep. Yep.

Gwinner Gwinner.

Chicken dinner.

Well, thank you so much.

I look forward to having you back on the program.

If you could remain on the Phone, I'd like to chat with you a bit after we go off the air.

And I want to thank everybody who listened today.

I want to thank everybody especially who took the time to write in questions.

And by the way, Ronald in Eastern Suffolk County.

You've also won a free copy of the book.

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Will the real Jesus, please stand up, please.

Make sure we get your mailing address and Reverend buzz Taylor.

It's been a pleasure having you in the studio again.

And I want you all to always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far greater Savior Than

you are a sinner.