August 25, 2020 Show with Geoff Thomas on “Christ in Gethsemane”

Christ in Gethsemane and the Sorrow of the God-Man

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And on day number one today we are going to be addressing Christ in Gethsemane and tomorrow day number two we will be addressing the theme prayer impotence grasping omnipotence or omnipotence and it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio Reverend Jeff.

Thomas. Well it's my privilege. Amen. Well I know that you are retired after half a century pastoring.

Alfred Place Baptist Church but I know that your grandson has taken the mantle and is now pastoring there. Why don't you tell our listeners about this place where you served.

For 50 years and are still a member. Yes it's preaching on the promenade and children's meetings and vacation. Amen. And speaking of Conrad and Bayway one of my favorite preachers.

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Christ's Agony in Gethsemane

Well you selected as your topic today one of the most moving portions of scripture and also something that Christians even disagree over everything that took place in that scene a very somber sorrowful heart-wrenching moving scene deeply heart-moving scene and in fact I'm going to read the Luke account the account of Gethsemane in the gospel of Luke chapter 22 40 through 46 when he meaning Jesus Christ arrived at the place meaning Gethsemane he said to them pray that you may not enter into temptation and he withdrew from them about a stone's throw and he knelt down and began to pray saying father if you are willing remove this cup from me yet not my will but yours be done.

Now an angel from heaven appeared to him strengthening him and being in agony. He was praying very fervently and his sweat became like drops of blood falling down upon the ground. When he rose from prayer he came to the disciples and found them sleeping from sorrow and he said to them why are you sleeping.

Get up and pray that you may not enter into temptation and that is the reading of God's inerrant word from Luke chapter 22 40 through 46 about the account from the garden of Gethsemane and that is from the New American Standard Bible my favorite version of the scriptures but uh if you could uh reverend Jeff tell us why you selected this specific passage.

An account of Christ's life today afforded to us in the great gospel narrative.

Yes in an excellent uh account of Christ's life and and uh passages to address. Um why do you think or what do you believe is the reason why Christ was in such great agony. Christ uh was not facing on an earthly physical sense anything that was more torturous than martyrs uh before and after him.

There have been Christians in fact in some cases who in a physical sense yeah uh have experienced even more gruesome torturous deaths than he. Yeah. And yet he the God man someone who is fully God and fully man he never stopped being fully God when he was in Gethsemane.

Yeah uh. And yet he was in such agony that an angel had to comfort him. Why. Why was this.

Yeah it certainly underlines the fact that that's so glorious because i want you to share that great. Let me ask you a question that i uh that has been prompted by.

Uh good reformed men who i've heard when that when they are exegeting this passage uh and preaching on this passage they i have heard some say that it could not merely have been the physical uh torturous execution that he knew that he would experience that struck such terror and agony in him they have said that it had to be first and foremost.

No. Well not excluding the the physical aspect that it had to be first and foremost the fact that he knew the.

Father's wrath would be poured upon him. Would you agree with that he would at last become he would be. 553. Of course there is has been a disagreement and controversy over one particular verse that is.

Uh in luke's account of this where it says in verse 44. And the second half of that verse. And his sweat became like drops of blood falling down upon the ground. There have been some that actually have sought to medically uh explain that there were actual blood drops that have burst forward from his brow uh due to the the extreme level of agony and and terror that he was experienced that he was experiencing.

They have medically explained how these things could happen. And there are others who just say no that's just a picture that's being painted. They were just drops of sweat but they appeared as drops of blood.

Or they were falling to the ground like drops of blood and perhaps using an allegory of the shed blood that he was going to offer uh as a uh propitiation uh for the wrath of his father. But how do you.

How would you view this.

I'm not sure in fact. Let's let's go to the second reason after our station break we have to go to.

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