August 25, 2020 Show with Geoff Thomas on “Christ in Gethsemane”

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of August 2020 and I am doubly thrilled

that we are going to have God willing for the next two days as our guest Reverend Jeff

Thomas who beginning in 1965 served for over 50 years as

pastor of Alfred Place Baptist Church of Aberystwyth Wales.

And on day number one today we are going to be addressing Christ in Gethsemane and

tomorrow day number two we will be addressing the theme prayer impotence

grasping omnipotence or omnipotence and it's my honor and

privilege to welcome you back to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio Reverend Jeff.

Thomas.

Well it's my

privilege.

Amen.

Well

I know that you are retired after half a century pastoring.

Alfred Place Baptist Church but I know that your grandson has taken the mantle

and is now pastoring there.

Why don't you tell our listeners about this place where you served.

For 50 years and are still

a

member.

Yes

it's

preaching

on the

promenade

and children's meetings and

vacation.

Amen.

And

speaking

of

Conrad

and Bayway one of my favorite preachers.

Of all time right in the same right in the same company with you Conrad

who's been my friend since 1995 has just within the last couple of

days confirmed that he will be coming to the United States next year

to be my keynote speaker at the next Iron Sharpens Iron Radio Pastors luncheon.

Actually I don't know if it will be the next one but it will be the 2021 Iron

Sharpens Iron Radio Pastors luncheon.

We will likely have one before that but as many of you may remember Conrad was already supposed to be

our speaker in May but could not because we did not know that the coronavirus pandemic was going to break out

shutting everything down and preventing Conrad from traveling outside of Africa and so we

are just excited that he is going to be coming here next year to

speak at in Carlisle Pennsylvania at the Iron Sharpens Iron Radio Pastors luncheon.

Well you selected as your topic today one of the most moving

portions of scripture and also something that Christians even

disagree over everything that took place in that scene a

very somber sorrowful heart -wrenching

moving scene deeply heart -moving scene and in fact I'm going to read

the Luke account the account of Gethsemane in the

gospel of Luke chapter 22 40 through 46 when

he meaning Jesus Christ arrived at the place meaning Gethsemane

he said to them pray that you may not enter into temptation and he withdrew from them

about a stone's throw and he knelt down and began to pray saying father if you are willing remove this

cup from me yet not my will but yours be done.

Now an angel from heaven appeared to him strengthening him and being in agony.

He was praying very fervently and his sweat became like drops of blood falling down

upon the ground.

When he rose from prayer he came to the disciples and found them sleeping from

sorrow and he said to them why are you sleeping.

Get up and pray that you may not enter into temptation and that

is the reading of God's inerrant word from Luke chapter 22 40 through 46

about the account from the garden of Gethsemane and that is from the New American Standard Bible

my favorite version of the scriptures but uh if you could uh

reverend Jeff tell us why you selected this specific passage.

An

account

of

Christ's

life

today

afforded

to us

in

the

great

gospel

narrative.

Yes in an excellent uh account of

Christ's life and and uh passages to address.

Um why do you think or what do you believe is the reason

why Christ was in such great agony.

Christ uh was not facing on an earthly physical

sense anything that was more torturous than martyrs

uh before and after him.

There have been Christians in fact in some cases who in a physical sense

yeah uh have experienced even more gruesome torturous deaths than he.

Yeah.

And yet he the God man someone who is fully God and fully man he never stopped

being fully God when he was in Gethsemane.

Yeah uh.

And yet he was in such agony that an angel had to comfort him.

Why.

Why was this.

Yeah

it

certainly

underlines

the fact that

that's so

glorious

because i want you to share

that

great.

Let

me ask

you

a

question

that

i

uh

that

has

been

prompted by.

Uh good reformed men who i've heard when that when they are exegeting

this passage uh and preaching on this passage they i have heard

some say that it could not merely have been

the physical uh torturous execution that he knew that he would

experience that struck such terror and agony in him

they have said that it had to be first and foremost.

No.

Well not excluding the the physical aspect that it had to be first and foremost the fact that he knew the.

Father's wrath would be poured upon him.

Would you agree

with

that

he

would at

last

become

he

would

be.

553.

Of

course

there is has

been a disagreement and controversy over one

particular verse that is.

Uh in luke's account of this where it says in

verse 44.

And the second half of that verse.

And his sweat became like drops of blood falling down upon the ground.

There have been some that actually have sought to medically uh

explain that there were actual blood drops that have

burst forward from his brow uh due to the the

extreme level of agony and and terror that he was experienced

that he was experiencing.

They have medically explained how these things could happen.

And there are others who just say no that's just a picture that's being painted.

They were just drops of sweat but they appeared as drops of blood.

Or they were falling to the ground like drops of blood and perhaps using an allegory of

the shed blood that he was going to offer uh as a

uh propitiation uh for the wrath of his father.

But how do you.

How would you view this.

I'm

not

sure

in

fact.

Let's

let's

go

to

the

second

reason

after

our

station

break

we have

to

go to.

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suggest that christ wanting to back out of his commitment

to be the atonement for his people by asking the father to pass the cup from

him if it were possible was an act of cowardice on the.

Part of christ.

Okay

harrison

hang

in

there

and

you'll

get a

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Well you wanted to go to uh the second aspect or the second part of the

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if you want to pick up where you left off on this very monumental and vitally important passage.

And

incident

in

the

life

of

christ.

About

christ's

rebuke

of

his

disciples.

I'm

sure.

There are no doubt many people who are either not christian who know the account because it's

fairly famous or they are christians but may say in sinful pride.

Now i never would have fallen asleep if i was there with jesus.

I would have done a better job than his disciples.

In fact uh there are um millions no doubt.

In fact maybe all of us might have said or thought in our heads that they never would have fallen if they

were adam or eve in the garden of eden and that they would not have

denied christ especially three times if they were peter especially when it was just a young girl

who recognized him.

But we could go on and on and on when we think more highly of ourselves than we ought and we

might think we would have acted in a different way.

We were we with jesus.

But what what can we learn about his rebuke to his own disciples.

Oh we can learn the.

Words

god

uh we

do

have

a

listener

uh who is

anonymous

i'm

not

sure

why it

doesn't

seem to be.

Very personal or private matter but i'll grant the request anyway.

And the anonymous listener says i still don't understand how

christ could have been tempted in all ways as we have.

When it is clear that christ could not have been lured sexually

and wanted to commit the sin as we may have done many thousands of times

when he was without sin how could he have been tested as we.

Were when he was without sin and never for a

moment

wanted

to

disobey

his father.

Bobby

in.

Heartsdale new york.

Who asks could a part of the agony of christ in gethsemane be

that he knew that he was actually going to become sin even though he

was perfectly holy and righteous righteous and.

Sinless

of

course

to

be in

cumberland

county

pennsylvania who says i know that jesus never.

Lost his deity at any point in his existence and that he lived

for eternity in the past as well as in the future with the father but did he

diminish aspects and privileges of his deity such as his future.

It seems to be portraying that in this account since he

says father if you are willing remove this cup from me yet not my will but yours be

done.

It seems as though he did not know whether.

His father would be willing to remove the

cup

or

not.

We have

to

go

to

our

final

break

right

now.

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Welcome back.

Uh jeff.

Thomas were you going.

To answer the question about how to respond to the blasphemous charge that christ

was guilty of cowardice by wanting the cup removed from him that was asked.

I'm gonna deal with the cup tomorrow.

Night.

Okay tomorrow yeah i'm gonna deal with it then i'm going to continue.

When i speak about the praying christ the deliverance that came to him that prayer is

impotence grasping.

Well if

you.

Could i'd like you to have five minutes of uninterrupted time to summarize what you most want

etched in the hearts and minds of our listeners regarding this text and this incident.

In

the

life

of

christ.

Thank

you

very

much.

Well

praise

god.

Thank

you

so

much

for

sharing

that

very.

Intimate and personal experience.

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And we are going to be continuing our discussion with jeff thomas tomorrow so make sure you listen in and hear

answers to your questions that perhaps we didn't have time to address today.

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are a sinner.