June 12, 2018 Show with Michael Durham on “The Danger of an Academic Calvinism: One Calvinist’s Plea For Theology That Leads To Doxology & Not To Cold & Mechanical Hearts”

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Lake City, Florida and the rest of humanity living on the planet earth who are listening via live streaming at ironsharpensironradio .com. This is Chris Arntzen, your host of Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, wishing you all a happy Tuesday on this 12th day of June 2018 and I'm delighted to have for the very first time on my program Michael Durham who comes to me as a very strong recommendation by my dear friend Pastor Mac Tomlinson of Providence Chapel in Denton, Texas who was my guest yesterday and when Pastor Mac Tomlinson recommends anything to me I take it very seriously because I consider him to be a very discerning and astute and precious brother in Christ and friend so I immediately took Pastor Mac's advice and contacted Michael and we have Michael on the show today to discuss a very important and yet very controversial matter.

A pastor or should I say Michael Durham is the former pastor of Oak Grove Baptist Church in Paducah, Kentucky where he served in the gospel ministry from 1993 to 2016 and he is founder, president and full-time speaker for Real Truth Matters which is a ministry we will find out more about in a very few moments and today we are going to be discussing the danger of an academic Calvinism, one Calvinist plea for theology that leads to doxology and not to cold and mechanical hearts.

We're also going to be promoting the Fellowship New England conference that is coming up in just a matter of weeks in Portland, Maine. The Fellowship Conference New England is what it's actually called and we'll be giving you more information on that as well but it is my honor and privilege to welcome you now for the very first time to Iron Trip.

And Zion Radio Michael Durham. Thank you brother. To your audience I thank you for this opportunity.

The pleasure is all mine brother and I want to give our listeners our email address right away if you would like to contact us with a question for Michael on this subject. Our email address is chrisarnsen at gmail .com.

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And please only remain anonymous if your question involves a personal and private matter. Well before we go into the subject of at hand Michael the danger of an academic Calvinism let our listeners know something about your personal testimony of salvation.

Whenever I have a first-time guest on the program I always have them if they are a Christian. There are rare occasions I interview non-Christians for various reasons but if they're a Christian I have them give a summarized version of their testimony of what kind of a religious upbringing they were raised in and what providential circumstances the Lord brought about in your life that drew you to himself and saved you.

Well it's a privilege to get to share my.

Testimony. My testimony is different than most. Wow. After my 15th birthday and uh as a child and by the time I entered Bible college I was doing revival meetings protracted meetings. Married my wife on May the 7th 1981 two days you can imagine which event overshadowed the other and it wasn't the graduation.

And within a month and a half later and uh from there we went to and yet Chris I never had any any assurance of my grandparents who maternal grandparents who were Christians neither my mother or father of my maternal grandparents desired that I be rear taken me to church and one day I had an experience where my grandmother prayed with me and I assumed that was the day that I was converted.

At least that was. But something happened in May of 1986 pastoring our second church I was preparing a Wednesday night Bible study in Romans chapter 6 and I read those the old man was crucified with him that the body of sin might be destroyed that henceforth we should no longer be slaves of sin for he that has died is freed from sin.

And something exploded speaking about had never. And I knew it from that moment I knew I'd never been living God he making me aware of my and then I did what I'm ashamed to tell you sin still brings me shame to this day I decided I wasn't going to be lived out my own and long story short and I was religiously praying every morning getting up early and and this was my prayer Chris God you're a God of justice and faith will be in the fair run for almost two we pray in that same prayer when all of a sudden once again this the knowledge of the gospel was turned on in my saying that's the reason I sent my son to die on the cross to take the penalty of your sins.

That was the exact thing that my mind was but I never believed. Strange I was on a hard grind to hide and then I never had memorized that my mind starting to my mind bless the Lord oh my soul for getting all these benefits who forgive of thee of all open my Bible and I began to read that psalm.

And when I got to the verse I mean brother was being loved like. And that was the beginning of a new life. And I think it's important for your audience to know that I come from a non-baptistic non-reformed background.

Although I'm a baptist minister and I am reformed. In fact I'm so reformed I've got six points.

Is it so. Is it the sovereignty of God. That's kind of an odd thing that's left out of the tulip.

Yeah yeah and so yeah I believe Andrew Fuller uh didn't he coin that phrase. I might be wrong there. I could read now with new light inside our homiletics good enough for martin lord jones it's good enough for me and I order better proof of Jonathan Edwards and got me a magnifying glass an archaic dictionary and a notebook not something I would suggest anybody to begin reading if you're going to study Edwards but that's.

And by. I came to see that. But again conclusion I did learn something about in that background not ever experienced so I come from that background and that's one of my concerns is is that I think that's one of the things the calvinistic movement the modern.

We know that not every experience so I hope that kind of gives you a little bit.

Amen. Well uh this is a very controversial uh theme obviously and it's one that could be easily misunderstood. So although the truth always hurts somebody sometimes we hurt or upset people for the wrong reasons because they misunderstand what we're saying.

Or sometimes we're saying something deliberately that's wrong or mean-spirited. But uh I know that you do not mean at least I'm very confident that you do not mean by this theme today that you chose that uh calvinists or christians in general should be avoiding academic studies and pursuits.

Uh I mean you and I know men that have uh done a lot of formal training in different seminaries and universities. Even our friend Mack Tomlinson who I had on yesterday he's had formal training in different areas in different schools even in Israel.

Uh one of my dearest friends Dr. Conrad M Bayway is the chancellor of African Christian University in Zambia Africa and he is a a uh very uh strong five-point calvinist that has a heart for academic excellence and training and for training up young men.

And yet he is no cold dead mechanical calvinist. He's a very passionate and humble and on fire uh preacher of the gospel. So I know that that that you're not condemning the pursuit of excellence in the academic realm I'm sure.

And the reason why you have to say this caveat is you you probably know as well as I do is that there is an element and has been for quite a long time for over a century. Perhaps there is an element within Christendom predominantly among fundamentalists and Pentecostals who do despise those who achieve academic excellence in seminary and in universities and so on.

But so if you could just explain before we go on with more of the details of the main root of your theme if you could.

Explain whether I'm right or wrong in my caveat that I gave no reality. Yes I hope that that's.

Clear. Yeah in fact that takes me right to the title of your ministry which obviously would mean you are a believer in being a Christian who is concerned about precision and accuracy in theology and doctrine and and deeply learning these things uh these deeper truths of the scriptures because the name of your ministry is real truth matters.

And we're living in a day and age when the the mantra of much of Christendom is let's just love one another and lift up Jesus and they don't even really explain in detail what they're talking about when they refer to Jesus.

Where you know there was somewhat of a. And. Of course amen. And if the gospel is about Jesus.

Uh even uh though you said the gospel is not about Jesus the gospel is Jesus we now we have to know.

About Jesus if the gospel is about him or if the gospel is him I should say that's where we need. Amen. Yeah we we have to uh not just know about him just like the gospel we have to know him we have we have to have a very intimate and personal relationship with him.

Exactly amen.

Now uh before we move away from real truth matters and the website by the way for those of you listening is realtruthmatters .com tell us more specific things about this organization what you do there what you seek to accomplish through the real truth matters ministry etc.

Well you need what you're pretty afraid about the church and God wanted me to do more of what I'm doing now is attend to different places people are converted.

Oh yeah I've had Jeffrey interviewed on this program. I've met him a number of times he has preached at the church where I'm a member Grace Baptist Church of Carlisle Pennsylvania and I've seen him at the banner of truth conference and other places that even the church where I was first saved Calvary Baptist Church in Amityville Long Island which is now Grace Reformed Baptist Church of Long Island and Merrick New York after a merger.

But yes I know.

Jeffrey. Very well well he was here and what he meant was some evidence of an awakening centers being and I think one of the reasons that that's occurring is because the church itself is not experiencing normal New Testament Christianity.

What we think normal is on the norms all the terminology because the baggage but it is what it is. It is a revival acted meeting and we just company and I pray not but I believe revive awakening is absolutely can't revise something that's dead who has never had life calling them to repentance.

Normal new test and that is what revival is in that normal New Testament Christianity the community around the.

Church not now does not a true revival that has taken place historically in different periods of time. Doesn't that by definition always accompany new conversions to Christ people coming to Christ and repenting because of the fact that the Christians are now preaching with passion and fervency and an undiluted truth whereby the lost are hearing this in greater numbers and.

Then therefore subsequently coming to Christ for the first time. Yeah a revival of God's saints. Right. Okay. Right. And even the words themselves indicate what you were saying because the lost.

When they are dead in their trespasses and sins they are not revived when they come to Christ.

They are awakened so resurrected. Yes yes yeah another r word. But unless you want to stay here.

Oh you you could go wherever you'd like brother. We have two hours so uh take your time and and speak from your heart whatever you wherever you believe the lord's leading you. Yeah well I really.

Are monology or the intellectual pursuit. We're against that meaning the goal and the pursuit and the end thereof the gospel and these myths and the message of New Testament Christianity. We're we're giving information we're giving knowledge but the same time we're believing and praying God for the manifestation of the Holy Spirit.

That's not anything Paul says to the Thessalonians that when they heard and in the Holy Spirit. Much and so that's what we need today. Component. I want to tell you do a lot of work. Romania. Missionary fellowship.

And it's a church training path in eastern Europe and Romania the Republic of Moldova. Great now as far as the actual theme.

That we are discussing. Oh in fact I just looked up and it's already time for my first commercial break. I'm sorry about that. When we come back we'll get right into the theme that we are discussing today.

And for those of you who have tuned in late our theme is the danger of an academic Calvinism one Calvinist's plea for theology that leads to doxology and not to cold and mechanical hearts. We'll be getting into that discussion God willing right after these messages from our sponsors so please send in your emails to.

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We are discussing the danger of an academic calvinism one calvinist plea for theology that leads to doxology and not to cold and mechanical hearts. And i also want to announce the fellowship conference new england in portland maine which is an organization or an event i should say annual event that was begun by a mutual friend of my guest and myself mac tomlinson and some other ministers of the gospel.

And uh i know that you although you're not on the roster this year michael you have preached at the fellowship conference new england in portland maine. Why don't you tell us something about that organization and.

That ministry. Well because it's a it's a day there is a family you and you know this you you talk to a lot of people. People are leave out today. They've left normal to new testament's christianity and they don't know where to go and so they're they believe.

And so they were. Young men young women. I remember one couple teaching in their church. So it's a fantastic conference. And it's not a huge conference like the growing but it's still small enough to have the personal time and the people really using.

Yes and in fact uh one of the speakers uh pastor nate pickowitz who i'm.

Sure you know he wrote a book uh reviving new england and talks about the need for that. But just for those of you even though i'm going to repeat this later if you're interested in attending this year's fellowship conference new england which is being held from the second through the fourth of august you could go to fellowship conference new england .com.

Fellowship conference new england .com. The speakers include pastor tim conway pastor mac thomlinson pastor jesse barrington and pastor nate pickowitz who i just mentioned and we'll be giving more details later about that.

So uh i hope as many of you as possible can attend. Well going back to our theme. Unless you have something you wanted to say to pick up where you left off. I wanted to know what is it specifically that you have witnessed amongst our peers people in our circles of fellowship or those that are reformed whether they are presbyterian dutch reformed or calvinistic baptists.

Reformed baptists like you and i. What have you witnessed over the years that has alarm bells going off in your head where you are seeing in reality what some of our theological opponents routinely claim.

Uh very often in angers and and most often even in an exaggerated form that that cal they will say that it is our theology itself in the doctrines of grace. I believe an unconditional election especially that that leads to a dead orthodoxy and a passionless christianity where there is a lack of concern for the loss but i know that you don't believe that the true doctrines of grace are leading to that.

So tell us what it is that you're seeing and why you think it's happening. No i do not.

Believe the gospel gospel message believing that man is born to me. That's the make the hardest of the 90s and that happened my seniors later. But what i want to make sure i say to you and your audience i love you.

If you could define fellowship with god because that yeah people might think of.

That or hear that just as some kind of a platitude or a placard or buzz phrase or something. And you know something that's hip to say within christendom but tell us exactly what it really means. Yeah it.

Means a enthusiastic now do you think that you're witnessing this amongst those coming to uh quote.

Quote embrace the doctrines of sovereign grace and reform theology. For the first time uh. Or is this something that is becoming manifest in your opinion even in the minds and hearts and lives of old school calvinists.

Or how do you see this predominantly manifesting itself. And. And maybe give us some more specific details on how it's manifesting itself. So old school i'm assuming you meaning people. Yes. Well people who have been calvinists uh for quite a while and are embracing a more traditional historic understanding of the doctrines of grace as opposed to some that fall under the umbrella of new calvinism.

Some of the calvinism that you would refer to as a fad that. Yeah i don't. I don't mean the the primitive baptist old school when i said.

But i want to make sure okay the young plain old world begin to be reacted against and it'll swing back the other way. It's just i do believe there has been some temporary cultural theological fact not all again.

And for example i was preaching not too long ago in a mystic baptistic trained at one of the finest seminaries. If i mentioned the name you would recognize and so would many of your listeners fine school young man there.

But he called me one day he said i really need to talk to you and we had lunch together and i began to share with him. And he says you know in all of my days i've never had anybody's and it's no secret in fact we have to pick up right where you left.

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And the speakers this year at the fellowship conference new england uh organization is tim conway is first of all uh tim conway a pastor at grace community church in san antonio texas. Mac tomlinson who is pastor of the providence chapel in denton texas.