Episode 2 - Weed

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Because we like to get in the mood. Yes, yes, absolutely. I do. This is not a indictment. I will say a lot of the times when we do acronyms, it does kind of make me laugh in that a lot of people leave out the T.

For like two and the. Yeah. And like like United States of America is USA, right? Right. None of doesn't have the O. OK. So it's not U .S. away. Right. It's you know, it's it's America. Well, here we have the T T .S .H., which I love the name, by the way.

The T is included for the. There's no apostrophe s for shepherds, which is fine with me. The shepherd's horn. Like, I don't I don't mind that at all. It's just interesting because a lot of people leave out the T, but I guess because it's the first word you can't.

Yeah. And if you think about it as shepherd's horn, people call us that. But it's like shepherd's horn. What's that? Is that a thing? It's a great conversation starter.

Yeah. But the shepherd's horn is like, oh, Jesus got it.

Yeah. The shepherd. OK, got it. Like the my father in law, the guy who started it, he he had a program in Georgia called his master's voice. That was it was the same thing as shepherd's horn. But so that's kind of where this kind of stemmed from.

It kind of it's actually a dope name. Isn't it cool? I actually like it. It's still going to. Here's what's so cool about it. You when you. I didn't realize I didn't think about this deeply until a few months ago.

The Old Testament has several references to Yahweh, to the father being the shepherd, you know, the Lord is my shepherd. Right. So that's why when you read John chapter 10, Jesus's analogy of him being the good shepherd.

If you remember, in verse 33, that's when the Pharisees said, because Jesus said, I've done many good works. Little sarcasm here. Which of those good works are you going to stone me for? Because they had picked up rocks and they said, we're not stoning you for any good works.

We're stoning you because you being a man, make yourself out to be God. And aside from the regular references Jesus had clearly made before Abraham was, I am Abraham or Joyce. If you believe Moses, you would believe me because Moses spoke of me.

Apart from those like glaring ones. The whole sermon he did on him being the good shepherd was, hey, every time God is referenced as the shepherd. That's me. That's me.

That's me, by the way. So the shepherd's horn. I mean, it's just kind of like, oh, yeah, that is pretty cool. I've never thought of that.

Well, it's pretty dope. And that is a segue into. OK, I'm sorry. All right. Go ahead. Go ahead.

That was really good. OK. Golly, I don't know if I'm mad because of it was a pun or if it was because it wasn't for me. Well, it's fair. We got to let him do the intro. You got to make the you got to.

Well, there's a question for the day. Dope. Is it dope or is it not dope? Is it great or is it not great? To dope is not a question. Mm hmm. Smoke it up. Don't smoke it up. Evans to Betsy. All right. Let's say, is it a sin to smoke weed?

That is the qualm that we'll be answering today at the Point Taken podcast. Podcast where we make and take questions biblically and spiritually and chat them up. Now, I have a question, Hunter, before you continue with your intro for our listeners, if they would like to have a specific question talked about on the show.

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We're going to put it right there, right there. So I'm pointing to the little you're pointing at. OK, let's see. Now you just messed it up. Now I'm going to have to put two of them. If you notice, I was showing me where I was quiet.

Right. During that time. Probably not because I actually wanted to spell it for the people. And then I'm like, all right, how do you spell listen? And Hunter did it. So I didn't embarrass myself. You shouldn't have said he told me to be honest, Hunter, this is what you're going to get.

You said, be yourself, Josiah.

So here I am. All right. Well, what do we think about weed? Your initial marijuana hash. Mary Jane, the devil's lettuce, the devil's lettuce name for it. Well, it exists and you might hate marijuana. What's your take on marijuana?

Just let's just put it flat out on the board. Your initial feeling towards marijuana, not should it be legal, not is it a sin, not anything. What is what do you what do you think about marijuana? It it is not.

I know it's it's it's been said it's not good. It's not bad for you, but I don't think mentally it's good for you. I think that with the the way that it affects your brain and it it loosens you up to things that you may or may not be conscious of.

I know it the euphoria that it gets you get from it. But my perspective is a lot of the new age practices within that's working its way into the church. A lot of cults will use. Marijuana, sometimes laced with other things, they use mushrooms, they'll use psychedelic drugs in order to connect with spirits, the spirits, as they will call them.

So when you when you do things that literally will allow you not to take every thought captive. That's going to open you up to things that you may or may not be ready to deal with, like things trying to control you or make you do things.

That's kind of where I'm at. I am I am completely out of the box with this one. It OK. Yeah, let's start. Let's go. No, no, no. And I don't think what you said is I think because of how I took something you said and I twisted it in my mind and made it funny.

But you said it. It relaxes you to things that you didn't know were inside of you. Something like that. Great. I'm going to need clarification. What do you mean? Like so you think about it, think about this.

If you are completely 100 percent cognitive of what you're doing. OK, take take alcohol. Sure. What does alcohol do? That takes your brain. It all the science behind it. You literally lose. It heightens your social function and it degrades your critical thinking.

Right. It gets rid of your thinking process. You're not able to hold a thought captive. We does the same thing, except it does. It's not a depressant. It's a stimulant. It makes sure it makes, you know, you're hypersensitive to things.

You're hypersensitive to everything. So when you're hypersensitive to things from what I've studied with all this stuff is you're also more you're more susceptible to things because you're more, quote unquote, aware of it.

Like what acceptable to spiritual stuff, like bad spiritual stuff, like demonic stuff. Oh, OK. I'm going from that angle. OK. I was just trying to figure out exactly what it is. It's like, oh, yeah, I believe that if if you if you're not able to hold your thoughts captive and you're able to trail off, then demonic influences can can change your thinking into bad things.

OK, I should just say, what are your initial thoughts on marijuana?

Well, I guess it's hard to separate. In this realm, it's hard to separate it from. What does the Bible say about it? If we were to remove our worldview, like we talked about a couple weeks ago, episode one, by the way, if we were to remove our worldview, then it's just a plant.

It's not the act. Not to give away the perspective here, but the act of rolling up a plant, lighting it on fire and inhaling it, that act in and of itself is not what makes something sinful or not. Right.

It is. It's it's more than that. And if we're ready to get into that, we can. But it's more than that in and of itself. It's simply a plant. But there are a lot of things that are created by God that in and of themselves are not sinful.

But how we use them and the purpose for them absolutely are. I think sex is a perfect example of this. And Christian parents, please listen to us for a moment. Please do not teach your children that sex is nasty, evil or sinful.

That is a God created thing in the bounds that God created for it to be used. Right. So I don't think it's helpful to say this thing. This thing is sinful. No. What humans do with it is sinful. That thing is not in and of itself evil.

It is how humans use it. I think that's kind of the basis. And that's kind of how I feel about this topic.

Right. I think that can be said for most things, because you have the idea that everything is permissible when not everything is profitable. Sure. Right. So and that is biblical that I was quoting a verse.

So you have any substance you can say, is it profitable versus? Yes, permissible. I mean, you'll hear people argue, uh, well, God made the plant. Is it at all possible that he did that to put you on a higher plane of thought to help you see him better to help you do this or that or the other?

That's one of my favorite ones is, well, it's natural, so it can't be wrong. So is snake venom. I don't see you tying off and shooting that up. But that's not an argument in and of itself.

I think that is a thing, actually. But it's not smart, but I think it is a thing. Yeah, I think they huff it. Well, see, I could be wrong. I think they huff the snake venom. On that same on that same vein, but oh, wow, that was brilliant.

Yeah, I'm so smart. OK, that I didn't realize that we know. OK, on the same vein is that you have. Oh, it's natural. It's OK. OK, so then by extension, something like which one's the one that looks like glass that meth, is that it?

Yes. Yeah. Meth is a chemically made drug. So that person who would say, oh, well, I don't do the hard stuff. I do the natural stuff. OK, cool. All right. But does the exact same thing, right? It gets you high.

I would argue this. You don't be finding crack rocks growing on a bush. You know what? And I thought what you were going to go with David Crowder, not David, Stephen Crowder. Love that guy. Yeah, I because I know you do.

That's why I thought you were going to go with his argument. He says, well, you know what else is natural? Uranium. Oh, wow. I haven't actually heard him say that. So, OK. Yeah. And so I thought that for sure you were going to say that.

So, yeah, I mean, just because something exists or even just because, OK, God created the world, God created plants, all that doesn't make it profitable to ingest. Like there are poisonous plants. In fact, in the early 1900s, maybe the 50s, marijuana, when the DEA went into the 80s, whoever it was said, you need to put labels on.

You need to say what is in everything. Like if you're going to put something out, you need to list the ingredients. They on marijuana, they would say it was poison. They'd actually can call it poison.

Whether or not that's legitimate or fair is not what I'm saying. But I'm saying there are things in this world that it's on the earth. It grows. It's natural. You don't want to put it in your body. Sure.

And I think that will go to Romans eight when it says the world is under a curse. Yeah. And the things on it have been cursed. And just as the animals turn on each other and eat each other, our plants are going to go.

We won't kind of go a little bit sour. But the question is, is marijuana one of those things? And some to what you said earlier is you said it's more about how you use it. So what are ways that you can use marijuana that are not?

Well, I think it would be helpful to to get a baseline here. And this is going to be the part most people won't like. But unfortunately, that's part of reading the word of God. I think we have a clear teaching from the Bible, from the apostles themselves, from Romans chapter 13 when it comes to first off civil law.

OK. OK, so let's just go ahead and get this one out of the way real quick so we can move on to the deeper meaning. We don't have a right to disobey government that God has ordained. Unless maybe I should say until those laws contradict.

With other commands of the word of God and acts, we must obey God over man.

Sure. And those cases are in the world and they will continue to be. But that doesn't mean that I get to decide what the speed limit is on Farm Road. OK, that that's not up for me to decide. So I say that in passing because the legality, unless it contradicts the word of God, we are to obey those commands of our magistrates.

Sure. Well, this would be one of them. Now, someone's immediately going to say, yeah, but it will all be legalized in the next six months. Sure. So let's get to that point. So assuming that it is legal to use medically, let's say, for example.

Here we go here still. And I'm consistent across the board. If you have 20 orange pill bottles in your nightstand, 10 of them are not in your name, five of them are expired. You're a 40 year old man. One of them is for menstrual cramps, OK?

That's you are not a doctor. You were not prescribed that same type thing, right? So moving past that. So let's say, OK, if it's all legal everywhere all the time, can we can we get there? Is it a sin in and of itself?

OK, here's my answer to that. Are we ready? I'm ready. I want to read what Brother Andrew quoted a moment ago. And here's my answer. And again, I would say that unlike adultery. Or stealing, it's not the act in and of itself, it's what's the purpose behind it.

Here is Second Corinthians, Chapter 10. Second Corinthians, Chapter 10. I'm going to read verse five. We destroy arguments and every lofty opinion raised up against the knowledge of God and take every thought captive to obey Christ.

I just want to stop there for a moment. Every thought captive to obey Christ. And I want to ask my Christian brothers and sisters who are wondering about what about smoking weed? What does every mean?

What does taking every thought captive mean? I would argue that's hard enough to do sober, by the way. But every thought captive. If you are purposely putting yourself in a position, this goes way beyond weed.

But if you purposely putting yourself in a position where you are out of control of your mind and or your body. To where you don't have to think you can get away, escape, whatever. And you're not in control of every thought.

You cannot obey this verse. You know, to Andrew's point earlier, for even those who use it under the guise of being more spiritual. Well, repeatedly in the New Testament, the mark of a spiritually mature man is one of a sound mind.

He's not giving us a spirit of fear, but a power of love and a sound mind. Do not be conformed to this world, Romans 12, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Right. So I think if you're putting yourself in a position where you're blazed out and you cannot take control of every thought, you're not in control of your body or mind.

OK, so so maybe we're talking more extreme cases here. But sure, if there isn't a if there is. An intent to not be in control of body or mind, then, yes, I think from scripturally it's going to be inherently sinful.

That's the huge thing is what you just said with the intent of not being in control of body or mind, because one of the more you go and look up and try and study like marijuana pros, cons. 90 percent of it's going to be Joe Rogan podcast and stuff.

His favorite argument is, well, I'm from the jujitsu community and then the jujitsu community. We smoke up and you're way hyper focused. Like you can focus on only this and this and this and this. And that's why they do it.

So in that sense, in the more of it, and I was going to bring up Adderall when he brought up taking every thought captive. Well, the point of Adderall is exactly that. Take to focus 100 percent your mind.

Right. Tunnel vision it. Say this is what we're trying to do. Right. What does that look for? When I said, OK, OK, so Adderall makes you go, whoop. And in the jujitsu community and Joe Rogan's jujitsu community, they're doing it to focus up and stuff like that.

So with that not being the intent of let's mellow, let's relax, let's let our minds run, but instead let's use it to focus. What do we think of on that?

I would say, you know, we can pick apart each individual case. I would say this, I would say. Because people always bring up, well, what about alcohol? Well, in my experience, someone doesn't get blazed out from having a glass of wine.

Sure. I mean, of course. Yes. By the way, if you're a traditional, if you're traditional, whatever Jesus and the apostles had wine at the Last Supper. I don't know about that specific example. Brother Hunter, what I would say is.

And most of the circumstances I've been a part of. The intent was to not take every thought captive. In fact, it was the quite literally to do the opposite. And we say, well, what about pain? Right. I am not saying.

I am not saying there is no place for legally prescribed doctor prescribed in the state that you live in with a valid license showing that you live in that state. I'm not saying there's no place for it there.

Right. I would say still legally obtained. Prescribed by a doctor. Intent is medical. That is what I see from it.

Medical in what sense?

Well, I guess that's up to the doctor in the state. But, you know, when they, you know, sometimes they'll prescribe marijuana or the like for, you know, pain tolerance stuff or like don't don't typically.

Don't they sometimes take like I've heard that they can take the the chemical that gets you actually blazed. We're going to use that term blazed out of it. And just the just the euphoric or the pain relieving part.

I've heard that that's something they can do. Don't get me lying. I don't know. I don't know. I feel like if that if that is possible, I know I've heard that somewhere. That they can take the high part out and just give you the the feeling of the pain relief that you get from the is it?

I'm not going to say it's not TLC because that's THC, THC. There you have like TLC is that wonderful 10, 11 care. That's what I thought of. And then a channel to that's a channel. Yeah, that's what I was thinking of 10, 11 care.

But I've I've heard that they they just take the THC out of the out of the plants itself and they can put that in like vape and they can put that in like other things that you don't get high from it. But you still get the the benefits of the balancing THC and CBD.

Yes, the weed. And there they've changed the levels of that. And there's a lot of debate on whether or not they've overdone the THC versus the CBD and said, oh, well, weed is getting stronger and stronger these days.

And, you know, it's less and less, you know, responsible and all that. But my argument for this. And first of all, I just wanted to go ahead and say I hate marijuana with a passion. I hate any type of smoking.

I've never even vaped. I don't like cigars. I don't like cigarettes. I don't like marijuana. It's just it's a conviction in my heart that I just abhor. But I think at the same time that marijuana should be legal.

It should be decriminalized and legal after 21. That's my opinion. I will never smoke it ever. I have no desire to. After 21, not 18. Correct. Because cigarettes are 18. I if cigarettes are legal, oh, my God.

Marijuana should be legal. If I were to if I were to make anything illegal, it would be cigarettes. Way more than marijuana. But I would say this, I hate it all. But let's argue for the point of marijuana that because I don't have any experience with it.

And I don't know if either of you have ever had an experience with smoking marijuana. But what I have learned from hearing other people's arguments and this was I used to say, I would not even hear it because I hated it so much.

But as I grew older and I said, you know what? Let's give some people their chances and hear them out legitimately. You know, when they speak, they say people react differently to different things. So just like with anything, there are a whole bunch of different types of it.

There's a whole different ways you can take it. All different uses for it. And different age levels react differently. So children should not be smoking marijuana. Teenagers should not be smoking marijuana.

And serious marijuana pro advocates are going to agree with you. Are going to agree with that statement. Kids should not be smoking marijuana. Teenagers should not be smoking because it messes up your brain.

After a certain age of adulthood,.

That effect does not happen anymore. Yeah. So would you? And I probably do not disagree with most of what you just said. I would tend to if we're going to legalize, I tend to have. I prefer to have an age, whatever we say adult is 18 or 21.

Let's pick one and stick with it. OK, let's not say you can go to Iraq or you can at this age, but you can't buy alcohol to list. Let's let's pick an age. For sure. And let's decide.

Not to mention when they go to other countries, it's I'm assuming you're referring to like military. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You join the military when you're 18, but you go over to Germany.

And the drinking age is 16. It's like, OK, in America, the argument for 16 being that age is, well, you can let them drive a 4000 pound car, you know, but I would say I would tend to agree with Hunter.

I would ask you this just out of curiosity. Do you eyes still a thing?

For sure. Marijuana, too. For sure. The we have a thing where in states where it's been legalized, there's been a higher count of and it's not skyrocket. It's not this huge deal, but there's a higher count of high like marijuana related crashes.

The reason that is, is because they're testing for it. They weren't testing for it before. So any DUI related crash, OK, that's, you know, they were drunk or, oh, they just messed up. But now that it's legal, they say, OK, let's take the time test for marijuana.

Oh, they were high when they did this. That doesn't mean that's happening more often. It just means that we know about it now. Well, I would still say, do you eyes are a thing if you were driving impaired?

Yeah, I agree. Yeah. Yeah. Don't smoke and drive. Don't drink and drive.

This right here and right after this point, we'll stop and take a quick break. This right here is my main point to the Christian listening. This the act and this is, I think, what all three of us are agreeing with.

It's not the act of taking a plant, rolling it up, lighting it on fire and smoking it and make it sinful. It's the intent behind it. And if you are intent, and we just talked about being impaired driving.

If you are intending to be out of control or mind and body, unprescribed, nonmedical purpose, I don't see how that would not be sinful. We're going to take a quick break and we're going to come right back to this exact view, Hunter.

Yeah. OK. All right.

And we're back. So last point I was making was so for the Christian, I think I think there's our key point that I think we're all agreeing upon. Since that acting of itself is not what's sinful, the intent behind it.

I would still go back to legality, medical purpose prescribed. You are not a doctor in control of body and mind. And if we have a checkmark on all of them, then we can have a conversation. That's I think the Christian word of God perspective.

You don't get to decide. It says every thought is a sober mind. And that applies way more, by the way, to just marijuana. That is an act of life. Every every thought, control of body and mind.

I think that this has to do with my favorite topic that I've ever learned about in the Bible is discernment. It's using your wisdom to discern what is right and wrong, and it's using God's word to discern.

So just like and what you say and what I've always I've kept in my head is it's like the Bible didn't tell you whether or not to buy iPhone or Android, right? The Bible didn't tell you about this, that or the other.

But and you'll hear in Proverbs, Solomon will tell you to take the lender's coat. So if you're going to if somebody is going to borrow from you, OK, let me hold on to your coat to give that back. So in other words, don't be an idiot.

Use some discernment. Be wise. And I think this is going to come down to you need to know yourself. Me personally, if I wanted to smoke marijuana, I wouldn't do it. The reason why I have an addictive personality, I get addicted to everything very quickly, easily.

And people and marijuana is very non addictive. I believe that people do get addicted to it the same way people get it. Same way big people get addicted to food. It's an emotional thing. Yes. The way you will get addicted to food is the way you will get addicted to marijuana.

It's not because there's some chemical in it that says, and you need to have it and need to have it. People do that the same way. It's not exactly the same with Jules, but with Jules and vapes with very tiny amounts of nicotine where it's not really going to grab you.

It's a more of an emotional response.

Yeah, man. Yeah. And I think the point there, and again, I'm not about to make some type of argument for chemical dependency on marijuana. I'm not going to do that. When the Bible says I will not be brought under control by anything.

Yeah, I literally think it means anything. Let me give you a personal example of something that is more physically, far more physically and chemically addicting than marijuana caffeine. Oh, dude. No. And let me let me.

And this is this is this is for me speaking. If it gets to the point where I have to start drinking coffee throughout the day, all day, every day. I don't know. And I am I know that I'm starting to go down to being dependent.

I won't drink any for three weeks. Yeah. Because I can't allow myself to be brought under control by a bean. OK, I can't I can't do that.

The bean. I'm thinking Toy Story. That call back.

So I think Conor's point, Christians listening is very key. If you are looking for plausible deniability, OK, and you're going to say something like this. Well, there is no Genesis seven, eight that says thou shalt not.

That would be exodus, whatever smoke weed. It's not there. So let me just go ahead and get rid of the pretend facade. If someone told you, it does not say that. So we're not here to pretend. We're here to share what the Bible actually says, not what we want in our religious background and upbringing to say what the Bible actually says.

No, it does not say that. But to Hunter's point, discernment is key. Discernment is key. There's a lot of things. The Bible does not have an answer to every question in life. And hold, hold your gasp after I said that.

That's a pastor speaking. The Bible doesn't have an answer to every question. Life has an answer to life itself. That's what Brother Hunter was getting at. Here we have discernment. If you checkmark all of those boxes that we mentioned earlier to where it would fall into the category of sin, our question of discernment here is what Brother Hunter is getting at in that.

What's the intent behind it? Go ahead, brother.

Yeah. And so I'm going to bring up one of my favorite this this verse right here. I teach to all the youth. I teach to anybody who ever asked me for any advice is this verse. And even though I forget the reference every time I have to spend five minutes looking for it is James chapter four, verse 17.

So whoever knows the right thing to do and fails to do it for him, it is sin. Oh, for whoever knows the right thing to do and fails to do it for him, it is sin. In other words, with great power comes great responsibility.

Same day. Thank you.

Thank you for that right there. That is the same difference.

It's if you discern what is right and yet you do what is wrong for you to sin. For me, I see that as you have to follow your convictions. So let's say this vaping zero percent nicotine. I wouldn't do it because it would be a sin for me.

I would argue that it's not a sin for somebody else, because I personally have a strong conviction against smoking. To do that would be to go against it. Now, quick, we're quick. For sure. I'm going to play the other side here.

OK. All right. So are you telling me that you're telling me that it's subjective to yourself? Right. So does that mean that that's your truth and that your truth needs to follow what you need to do? Is that what I'm telling you, that your convictions are subjective to yourself?

I'm saying that it's a sin for Pastor Josiah to listen to non-Christian music, but it's not for me because Pastor Josiah says. I need to listen to Christian music because other stuff affects me. I say.

I'm not affected by it, therefore, I don't think it's a sin for me to listen to Johnny Cash. So is that is that relative to the person? For sure. So the subjective truth. Subjective truth, I don't think relates to this.

I think subjective conviction. So you as a person might have a problem with something that I don't. Absolutely. I agree with you. Right. Yeah. And you need to follow that conviction.

I think so long as he's based in. Yeah, I think a key biblical text for for what you two just described. So obviously there are objective sins or sins for everyone, all of mankind. You don't get to decide.

Well, I think for me, it's OK. Right. If I have three wives. Right. No, it's not because there's a biblical principle behind it. No, it's not. I was getting it. That's I know. Yeah. Brother Andrew is trying to show that there is objective.

I'm not going to objectivity to it. No, we know. No, you didn't. But for example, and this is the biblical text, I think we all need to hear Christians. The Bible says it is not a sin to eat meat sacrificed to idols.

Oh, oh, I just got that studying. However. If you are in a group. And there's someone there who sees that as appalling. Or causes them to stumble. Right. You have no right to eat that in front of it. In other words, chapter eight, we don't believe in false gods.

It's just a steak. OK. But if it would cause her to stumble, how dare I eat that in front of her?

Right. How dare I? So is there always 100 percent? This is always OK. This in some cases. But in some cases, you're looking for 100 percent all the time. Every time. Is this OK? Let's fight about it. The Christian walk takes a little more wisdom than that.

That's why you have to study. It's so let's use the easiest example in our day. I've got one. Did I stop you? Now I'm going to shut up and let you go, brother. OK, go ahead. I'll keep mine. Give us one.

Here's one.

So to that point, I go out with I go out with one of the guys at church, and I know he's struggling with alcoholism. Sure. And we go out to dinner. Yeah. And I say, hey, man. Either I ask or I just go in my head, he has a problem with drinking.

I should not have a drink tonight. I definitely should not have a drink tonight, because if it's going to cause him to trip and stumble and go back into that lifestyle, then I have caused him to sin or 100 percent.

It is on both of us. And that's that was my example. You just said it better and faster.

And you looked better doing it. I was I was prepared for that. So the point being, I think what we're all agreeing upon now, there is no such thing as it is an outright sin to drink alcohol. Otherwise, Jesus would need repentance.

However, the Bible is littered with warnings of drunkenness, of carouse. And I mean, it's all over from Genesis to Revelation. It's all over the place. So the point being here, though, it is not a sin to have a drink of alcohol and not be drunk and all that stuff, even they're drunk.

OK, point zero eight is a Tennessee law for driving. Right. That's not the standard. The standard is, according to the word of God, not in control of mind and body. There's your standard. OK, so ergo.