Degradation of Western Society

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Yet to give that answer with gentleness and reverence. Our host is dr. James White director of Alpha Omega ministries and an elder at the Phoenix Reformed Baptist Church. This is a live program and we invite your participation.

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Greetings and welcome to the dividing line on a Thursday afternoon. Very warm Thursday afternoon here in Phoenix, Arizona. It is very rare that I see as the predicted high for the next day on my computer 120 Degrees, but that is still what they're calling for for tomorrow only a nice relatively cool 113 Today and yes, but everyone says just dry, right?

Good to be back here. I Thought it was hot in Berlin we did have a heatwave but the nice thing about heatwaves in Berlin is that they only last for a couple days and they go away and It was got to 95 degrees in Berlin last Thursday When you're teaching all day long and there's no air conditioning and it's 95 degrees.

It's it's it's a key. There's no two ways about it. But there was a nice storm that rumbled through that night with lots of lightning and it got cooler and cooler every day after that. So that was nice.

We'll have a little more to say about that later on in a mega sized Edition of the dividing line today to full hours, which I guess sort of makes up for not having been able to do a program on Tuesday since I Actually got up at 7 o 'clock at night Monday night at least Arizona time and the entire next 24 hours spent driving sitting standing running or mainly just sitting on planes flying from Berlin to Frankfurt from Frankfurt to Philadelphia and Philadelphia back to here in Phoenix, Arizona.

I am accumulating the miles and next year. We'll have a different color Badge to wear as far as my frequent flyer status goes. Let me tell you that we'll get all to that in in in. Later on I have seven topics on my list here.

The chances of getting to all them somewhat small, but we'll see we might be able to get to them. I Had sort of forgotten What yesterday was going to be as far as the Supreme Court? Docket was concerned and as a result Got up and realized what was happening and a little bit on the jet-lagged side and one of the tweets that I sent out after seeing the beginning of the announcements of the Acts, I don't even want to call it Decisions because decision means that people actually examined the Constitution and did so in light of what the the founders intended and every every person on the planet Knows that the founders of this nation Would never have even considered the possibility that they had the right or The government of the United States had the right to redefine the institution of marriage.

There is not a single other Founding Fathers that could have even believed that a nation that they were involved in Suffering for and bringing about the beginnings of could ever engage in such activity.

I did that they just never it wouldn't have never crossed their minds. We all know that I don't think anyone could argue that Argue against that it's obvious there has been a massive cultural revolution and in my opinion the system is broken beyond repair.

I Have I've quoted him many times. I don't have the quote right in front of me right now, but John Adams statement That the Constitution United States requires a religious and moral people and we no longer have religious and moral people.

We have an immoral secular people and I did not believe the Constitution can function In that in that context, that's my personal opinion. You may believe as you wish on that particular subject I have nothing invested in that but Anyway, I I tweeted today is going to be a psalm 12 -8 day.

I should have said This week this month is going to be a psalm 12 -8 day and and I guess in reality when you think about it given the behavior of Those who are pushing for a leftist secularist anti-christian worldview It's just gonna be a psalm 12 -8 lifetime.

Psalm 12 -8, of course says the wicked strut about on every side was vile is exalted among the sons of men. And that is that when that which is vile Becomes exalted it becomes lifted up and seen to be something good.

Then the wicked strut about on every side because you see when a when a nation has the blessing of God God's hand of restraint. There is such a thing as shame. There is such thing as recognition of good and evil.

There's a reason why both good and evil have especially evil, but you can't really define good without having some concept of evil. These terms have passed from the standard utilization of people in our society.

Because we all know that in a secular society there really isn't any way of defining these things. It's all just a matter of who has the most popular votes at that time. That's what makes something good.

And if you're in the minority, then that's what you believe is evil. There is no transcendent value to these words any longer. They are they're Transitionary terms they they they change meaning from generation to generation or not even generation generation anymore.

They change meaning year by year so fast is the redefinition of fundamental and foundational things and what we saw yesterday in my opinion was just simply the ratification the fact that we do have a Fully secular state in in every in every aspect of our leadership.

That has no concern about The morality and ethics of the past is in fact embarrassed by the morality and ethics past. In fact, we we had in the majority opinion the identification of the moral and ethical unanimous opinion of Every generation that fought to preserve this nation and our freedom was identified as bigots identified as people who were not for freedom as Immoral people and It was done without blushing.

It was done without blushing. And yet that's that's what what took place and so in light of Psalm 12 I found it interesting. That before that statement that incredibly insightful statement of Scripture that When a Culture and a people are given over to a love of evil things then wicked strut about and that means the good do not.

That this is a judgment upon a land. Before that these words were said at the beginning of Psalm 12 Help Yahweh for godly man ceases for the godly man ceases to be. For the faithful disappear from among the sons of men they speak falsehood to one another with flattering lips and with a double heart they speak.

May Yahweh cut off all flattering lips the tongue that tongue that speaks great things. Who have said with our tongue we will prevail our lips are our own. Who is Lord over us? Did you catch that as we hear men spouting evil and calling it good and Degrading good and calling it evil as we see the fulfillment of the description of Isaiah chapter 5 of Woe to those who call evil good and good evil light darkness and darkness light as We as we listen to the irrationality of the thought process of these individuals.

The arbitrariness of their of their their words their their unwillingness to actually engage in meaningful debate and dialogue as well as we hear these things and We hear the abuse of that God-given gift of speech and that's a God-given given gift.

Have you thought about that? That's part of the Imago Dei. That is part of what makes us In the image of God is we have the ability to communicate. No. No, nothing else on the planet can communicate like we do sure some of the lower animals have rudimentary forms of communication.

But that's nothing in comparison to the languages and and the beauty of the communication that can come forth from the human mind and hence Obviously the fall then impacts that and it's the speech it's the it's it's the way we speak and listen to what Verse 4 says who have said with our tongue.

We will prevail our Lips are our own who is Lord over us? Did you hear the rebel heart? Do you hear and See this very same thing happening across our land. We will have no one to define marriage for us who is Lord over us we are a secular nation.

We have no one over us. We we just determine what is right for us. We just we just take a vote or well in these days. There's just sort of one party that determines all this and We define these things and We don't have we're not gonna be held accountable.

There's no judgment in the future. And so we can say what we want and We can take a God-ordained Institution and we can redefine it if we jolly well want to and don't you dare tell us that this is an act of rebellion?

Well, it is and it's our duty as Christians to identify it for what it is. It is an act of rebellion against God and it will bring God's judgment. Now God is very patient and God is very long-suffering, but he is patient long-suffering primarily so that his people can be used in a prophetic way to bring the announcement of What sin is and the result of it and I really believe that though I've said this many times before with each one of these events.

This is becoming more and more clear more and more relevant our role must be a prophetic one and that means we must Gird our minds prepare our minds to function as prophets Amongst the people and that might be a good idea for you to take some time to read the prophets to find out what their lives were like because they weren't easy.

I Don't get the feeling and I'm talking to myself here I don't get the feeling that we have sufficient separation from love of the things this world to be very good at this prophet stuff. But that's what our calling is now.

We live in a land where the vast majority of people do not bow the knee to the Lordship of Jesus Christ they do not give a a Second thought to what his will would be in their lives and that includes people in so-called churches.

We know this is the case. We've known for a long time and when this nation is willing to in a high-handed act of rebellion. Say to God, we don't care what you have said. We don't care how you have blessed us.

We don't care how you have guarded us. We don't care about how in World War two This nation went through that worldwide Conflagration and oh, yes hundreds of thousands of people died, but they almost all to the man woman and child died overseas.

We had no we had no cities devastated by bombing. We had no Dresden's no Berlin's no London's no Hiroshima's or Nagasaki's. Our land was untouched and God protected us and blessed us not because we deserved it, but I Unfortunately had some things go wrong or somewhere.

I didn't get time to do it. I was I was going to Get the actual transcription of the words that the president the United States placed within the New Testaments that were given to all of the Soldiers as they were going out to battle.

Where he commended them the reading of these scriptures and things like that just just to compare it with the wildly different perspective today. There has been a revolution. It has been. Not the kind of revolution you have in most European states, but there has been a fundamental cultural revolution.

There can be no question about it, and we now have those in charge. I remember listening to FDR's prayer on the day of Just just a few weeks ago on the day of D-Day. Could never happen today. Would never happen today.

Would be sued if anyone tried it today. My how things have changed and what's been the result. Well it seems some people think that we're better off for it. We're a better place. That's certainly what Barack Obama believes.

Yesterday there was a statement by the president on the Supreme Court ruling on the Defense of Marriage Act. This is from the whitehouse .gov website. This is I applaud the Supreme Court's decision to strike down the Defense of Marriage Act.

This was discrimination enshrined in law. Now remember this is discrimination. He supported for political reasons. Discrimination enshrined in law, but please keep that in mind because many people have pointed out that what that means is since what Doma said was simply the Majority well the view of every single president that has ever been in the White House in the entirety of the history of the United States of America.

Had been the view of every generation before this is the view of Well the history of mankind in regards to the definition of marriage then this Outrageously arrogant modern generation. Can actually stand up and say we are the only people in history that have ever gotten this right?

Everybody before us is a bunch of morons. Reminds me of Princess Bride. Remember Princess Bride, you know morons. That's that's what this that's what this Mindset of this modern generation is we are the only people who have ever figured out anything.

This was discrimination enshrined in law. It treated loving committed gay and lesbian couples as a separate and lesser class of people. No it actually defined Marriage in its historical sense. It's only meaningful sense and as I've said many times.

And this is going to happen the Supreme Court ruling has opened the door for this. Just the next thing folks if there is not a polyamory polygamy Case before the Supreme Court within four years. I'll faint.

It takes it takes a while, but you know right now they're being filed. You know right now the lawyers are tapping away on their word processors and they're being filed because the door was kicked wide open and everybody knows it and.

So just take gay and lesbian out and put in polygamous and then after that. Which will be first I think probably Given the fact that they're already quote-unquote scholarly psychiatric papers in journals identifying intergenerational love as a natural State of certain individuals that'll probably next.

Because bestiality now. I don't know. Give it time give it time. Because the walls have come down and The fact the matter is a secular state has no internal framework of ethics and morals upon which to rely it is an amorphous blob and the only thing that it calls good and bad is just what it feels like at the time and so it's coming and so It treated loving committed gay and lesbian couples as separate and lesser class of people.

No, it said that love is something different. Love has a meaning marriage has a meaning the word husband has a meaning the word wife has a meaning. The word Mary the verb because the direct object that has has a meaning.

That's what it said. This is a shamelessly simplistic Faults and misleading way of viewing things it is dishonest to its core. It's reprehensible morally and ethically. The Supreme Court has righted that wrong and our country is better off for it.

We are people who declared that we are all created equal and The love we commit to one another must be equal as well. And so the love quote-unquote. Between a woman and a woman is the same as that between a husband and wife.

That is an abomination. It is an abomination will always be an abomination and no Government no court can possibly change that reality. It is an abomination that brings a judgment of God. It is against all of nature it is against all of common sense it is against the way that God has made us and Every single person knows it in their heart of hearts and the person who denies it is Engaged in suppressing the knowledge of God in an act of rebellion.

This ruling is a victory for couples who have long fought for equal treatment under the law. This is the old equal treatment stuff. It's a lie. We've exposed as a lie, but now it is just simply become repeated so often that people don't even think.

They do not even think. These people are not even honest enough to be willing to admit hey, we just redefined marriage. Whoo-hoo. No. They won't even face up to the reality of what they've done. For children whose parents marriages will now be recognized, excuse me.

Excuse me, mr. President, sir. Two men can't have children. Two women can't have children. They don't produce children. Hello. Have you noticed that? Well, okay. What we mean is in adopted. Okay, so you want it you want it?

But what you're forcing upon us is this idea that well, you know. They're just so many different kinds of families, yeah, I Guess Jesus didn't get that memo in Matthew chapter 19. Did he rightly as legitimate for families that at long last we get the respect of protection deserve and for friends and supporters.

Who have nothing more in the sea their loved ones treated fairly and have worked hard to persuade their nation to change for the better. So if you stand against this folks you you're evil. You're trying you're trying to keep this nation in a worse state.

That's what it's all about. So we welcome today's I'm gonna skip on that. On an issue as sensitive as this knowing that Americans hold a wide range of views based on deeply held beliefs. Now he's already identified our beliefs as evil.

He's already identified. This is for the better if you disagree then you're for the good. You're not for the better. You're for the worse. So, how do you hold? You've said that the law enshrined discrimination now, of course again.

The abuse of the term discrimination discrimination means to make a decision. And we all discriminate. He is discriminated in saying that our views are for the worse that our views are bad. That's discrimination.

Oh, well. That's not how yeah, I know you don't use words accurately you use words in such a way that that you create emotional impact rather than Actually communicate truthful content, I know that's that's that's the way of the the politician and.

That's that's what's effective in leading people and leading sheeple instead of people. On an issue of sensitive this knowing that Americans hold a wide range of views based on deeply held beliefs. Maintaining our nation's commitment to religious freedom is also vital.

Folks have you gotten the idea that there's always this statement and that it means absolutely positively nothing. I. Have we seen enough of this now if we see what happened in Massachusetts that we we've seen what's been happening in Europe.

Get a clue they throw this in here just to numb you. So that when the anvil falls on your head. It's too late. The left does not care one lick about religious freedom. They want power period end of discussion and We'll pursue it at all costs.

How religious institutions define and consecrate marriage has always been up to those institutions nothing about this decision. Which applies only to civil marriages changes that ha yeah, wait till the first lawsuit is brought.

Ask ask the guy who took pictures of marriages in New Mexico and and. Yeah, sure. Mm-hmm. You just wait you just wait you the whole reason this kind of thing is put in here Again is because they know this is where it's gonna go.

They know it and they want it. That's exactly what they want. The final sentence amazingly sad. The laws of our land are catching up To the fundamental truth that millions of Americans hold in our hearts when all Americans are traded as equal.

No matter who they are whom they love. We are all More free. We are all more free. Our lips are Our own who is Lord over us with our tongue. We will prevail. We are free. Only true freedom is to live in the way that God designed mankind to live.

This is not freedom. This is slavery slavery to sin. Destruction of the goodness the good things that God has given to us. Marriage is a good thing. Family is a good thing. It made this nation strong made this nation capable of doing what it did in the last century and Being important in the victory in the first world war and Absolutely central to the victory of the second over very evil forces.

It was the strong families that we had that produced those generations, but a nation that cannot so much as even define What a family is is a nation that has Certainly lost the blessing of God certainly lost the blessing of God.

It is an amazing thing as Christians we must redouble our efforts to educate our children and our children's children About what marriage really is what a covenant is what it means to sacrifice For the love of another to be changed by the love of another and what the complimentary nature of marriage involves man and woman and how we are changed by that and we must be concentrated Upon preparing ourselves and our spouses and our children and our families and our churches for the cost that will be asked of us to remain faithful and to speak the truth to a nation clearly intent upon its own self-destruction.

The more we love our things The harder this is going to be for us, and I'm speaking to myself there. I truly am there is a Related article the yesterday the National Cathedral is Peeling its church bells along with some other Washington churches to celebrate The Supreme Court's decision on gay marriage.

Cathedral spokesman Richard Weinberg said the bells rang at noon Wednesday for 45 minutes to an hour. Bells also rang at other Episcopal Methodist Presbyterian Unitarian and other Christian churches. The Cathedral scheduled prayer service for gay lesbian bisexual and transgender families Wednesday at 7 p .m.

To celebrate the ruling. In a statement the Cathedral's Dean the Reverend Gary Hall Says the church is ringing its bells to celebrate the extension of federal marriage equality to all the same-sex couples modeling God's love in lifelong covenants.

One of the greatest signs of God's judgment upon our land is the number of False Christians people who call themselves Christians, but who have absolutely no respect whatsoever for God's truth in God's Word.

None at all none at all. What what a what a absolute insult. What what a statement on the part of the National Cathedral that we don't care about you believers. You can stay out we don't want you here.

Anyways, just go away. Somewhat foreshadowing, but we are heading into at warp speed. On June 24th an article Fox news .com. The Colorado Civil Rights Division has ruled an elementary school discriminated Against y 'all sitting down Against a transgender six-year-old child.

By barring her from using the girls bathroom. KDVR reports the New York-based transgender legal defense and education fund Announced the ruling Sunday and said they would hold a news conference Monday to explain the decision in the case of Coy Mathis Who was born a boy, but identifies as a girl.

The fund filed the complaint on behalf of the child's parents Catherine and Jerry Jeremy Mathis Claiming that Coy has been discriminated against at Eagleside Elementary School, which is south of Colorado Springs.

Catherine Mathis said in a statement the family is thrilled that Coy can return to school and put this behind her. Coy who had attended the school since kindergarten Had been allowed to use the girls restroom until December 2012.

Reuters reports. The school's principal informed the child's parents that after the holiday break Coy must either use the boys restroom or a gender-neutral one. This is he's six years old folks six years old.

In elementary school her parents withdrew Coy from the school in February. They filed a complaint with the Colorado Civil Rights Division. The division's report said the Fountain Fort Carson School District violated the state law that extends protections to transgender people according to Reuters.

Given the evolving research and the development of transgender persons. Compartmentalizing a child as a boy or girl solely based on their visible anatomy is a simplistic approach. To a difficult and complex issue the report said you see when God withdraws his hand of blessing simple common sense disappeared.

Professing themselves to be wise they became fools. Michael Silverman executive director of the transgender legal defense and education fund which filed the complaint tells Reuters. This ruling sends a loud and clear message that transgender students may not be targeted for discrimination.

And that it must be treated equally in school. It also sends a very loud and clear message. The school system is filled with morons on the ethical level. So if you If you don't like the idea that your young lady is going to have to go in the bathroom with boys.

Well, you just you just don't understand. You just you just don't understand. I Mean, you just need to read more psychiatric papers. That's all. The Mathis family has since moved to Denver and Coy plans to attend a school there from now on.

KDVR reports Absolutely positively Amazing. I At sometimes you just don't even know What to say. You don't even know what to say? All right, well there's everybody knew that I would talk about that start and Almost talked about yesterday decided to let the initial Shock of The whole situation pass.

But What can I say what can I say I I wanted and until yesterday was going to begin this program to start off with. Just a very heartfelt. Thanks To everyone involved in the trip that I just took. It was one of the most Wonderful trips I've had.

I was gone for a very long time longer than I normally Allow myself to be gone for I sort of feel like I have a certain limit to how long I can be gone before I start sort of falling apart physically, but despite some of the challenges including Probably right up there with one of the worst travel days I've ever had the trip started off Really badly.

I was supposed to be in Boston at like four or five o 'clock in the afternoon. We're gonna have dinners got time to work on a chapter blah blah blah blah. I got to bed in in Plymouth Pilgrim country down there at 2 15 a .m.. On Saturday Having Been on the the runway next to take off, and then we just turned off the runway, and I'm glad we did Because they couldn't get the brakes off.

So you know you sort of need those brake things to work when you land on the other side of the country. You know so I you know but then It all started and I ended up booked on a flight reaccommodated a flight That I didn't realize this But was going to give me a nice tour of our beautiful country in essence.

They forgot to tell me that I was going through Chicago. So instead of a nice straight flight to Boston I flew from Phoenix to Chicago Chicago to Philadelphia Philadelphia to Boston and All the way figuring that well so much for ever seeing my luggage again and this is the beginning of a two-week trip including going overseas and The amazing thing is even despite the fact I had to run Because we got stuck in the on the on the runway in Chicago for over an hour waiting for a gate to open so then we were delayed and getting in and and My connecting flight out of Philadelphia to Boston was supposed to go at 1045 thankfully It was delayed to 11 if it had gone at 1045 We never would have made it because we landed at like 1050 when we landed I had 12 minutes To get from concourse B to C.

Not too bad, but you know it's a ways Of course there wasn't a gate agent to open the door. So we just stood there and we stood there and I could see my plane across the way I could see they were boarding.

By time to get the door open I had five minutes to get from concourse B to concourse C and get on that flight and When I when I travel I've got my my iPad and my Kindle and my MacBook Pro and adapters and all this stuff in my backpack, so it is very heavy and so I've got my my carry-on and that and I'm running from B to C.

I was of course the very last person on the On the plane. But I did make it and of course by this point. I have completely abandoned all hope for my luggage. Which was initially put on a cancelled flight and in all the rest of stuff and now I've got you know five minutes between flights in in Philadelphia, so it's like I Get to I get to Boston And I go to the you know I've got at least go and look and lo and behold my main bag got there before me.

It took a better flight than I did a completely a significantly less circuitous route In getting to Boston than I did and then my second bag somehow somehow Made it on that flight and even got across the tarmac in the time I was running from one they got they got it over there somehow Kudos to them.

Thank you very much but So I got to Boston. We had a nice conference there the folks are very kind. I you know I ain't much of a draw so we didn't have a really big group, but The folks that were there were very kind and seemed to really enjoy the presentations I gave it again.

It was my new testament reliability one and people really enjoy that presentation. They really really do. It's one thing to see it online it's another thing to see it in person where I can interact and you know the pictures are easy to see and stuff like that and So Then I had to fly from Boston To Philadelphia Philadelphia to Frankfurt Frankfurt to Berlin that was actually very easy it really was.

You know I? Going that direction is harder than coming back because you gain you know you lose nine hours going one direction. You gain nine hours coming back the other direction. But I only had to go through security once to get from Boston to Berlin and When you go over there You know and when you fly back here from overseas You got to go to you got to go pick up your luggage drag your luggage 20 yards recheck it back in go through all This rigmarole.

I just I just flew to Berlin. You know I just just went from one gate to the other flew to Berlin picked up my luggage. I was there that was it didn't have any cars to fill out it was so much easier. Going over there, then it's coming back.

Just the the rigmarole that we have coming back is absurd. But anyhow I got over there and I was teaching for the week at the European Biblical Training Center, which is associated with the Masters Academy's international of you know John MacArthur's Church.

And I had been there last year. I had spoken just briefly though. I had met with the With the staff and then I had spoken with translation. Matthias was my translator then and he was most of the time this time over in German and then a live Russian translation that they had they had live-streamed and some of you may recall that and so I Was teaching a textual criticism class and I love that subject but I've never taught it as just a single just a class unto itself and So on Monday when the class starts I Discover it has a fascinating makeup fascinating makeup.

We have one fellow from Poland one fell from Czechoslovakia. We had one fellow from Dresden. Who was sort of auditing the class a an attorney? Brilliant fellow and so It was funny because sometimes I start reading article.

This is from such-and-such a book not sure if it's on if it's online or how like that and you know three minutes later He'd turn his computer on here it is and he'd you know Give the URL to everybody else so much so that I I eventually dubbed him the Internet so I just started calling him the Internet because Evidently his legal work involves doing a lot of looking for stuff.

So evidently he is a Google Meister. But he contributed a lot to the program as well. And I really appreciated that and I have a feeling he's probably listening right now. If not will be because I got the feeling he listens the dividing line fairly frequently.

But then there were all the guys sitting up front. Now a couple other guys some of the some of the staff came in for some of it. Greg from the European seminary in Kiev was there with his son. His son's name is James Robert White.

Which I found interesting but he's 18 so they know they did had no idea who I was back then but sitting up front wearing these. They were infrared earphones. So so they had to always be pointed toward this one, you know infrared type thing.

So multiple people could be hearing the same thing. Was a whole group of guys and I tweeted this picture at some point. And one thing we got to do once the new website, you know finally Emerges into daylight sometime between now and 20 to 20 20 is The Twitter feed has got to be on the front page someplace.

We've just got to have that because I that's what I used to communicate with folks. Now. I really do I mean it you know. Maybe WordPress is gonna be easy easy enough that I can You know, but it's just a pain to do to do it the way we do.

I just use Twitter. So I tweeted the picture of The brethren from from the Ukraine and Off to the right in the room. Now this is sort of this is sort of the the overflow room to the main church because EBTC meets at a church facility so this classroom is sort of the overflow room to the main main church room and Then over the side is sort of the nursery.

But they've set it up to where you can close the door and there's a window there and I'm wearing a microphone and so there is a fellow by the name of Nick and Nick is sitting in that room and He is listening to me over my microphone and He is live translating for the Ukrainian brothers.

Now folks, this is a textual criticism class. That's not simplistic vocabulary, that's that is technical vocabulary and We are going from 830 in the morning to 415 in the afternoon. Now there's a there's a you know, brief break for lunch, but it is a long long day Very long day.

I Would expect Nick to come crawling out of that room after four hours, but he never did. I Mean the guy blew me away with his ability to be able to do that I mean to be listening to me and then but off often to for that amount of time Absolutely amazing and I could tell those brothers were focused like a laser beam what was so encouraging and please don't get upset with me when I say this those of you in the you know in the American audience, but there was just something different about teaching these guys they I Didn't have to pull teeth.

They want to learn that Eugene one of the guys Sharp sharp guy. Oh my goodness. I mean I can tell this guy knows his stuff young fella the morning of the first class. While he was there his wife gave birth their fourth child.

Getting from Kiev to Berlin is you know a bit of a challenge at times and It just The appreciation they had For the topic for the fact that I had traveled to be there the fact that I'm passionate about it and The comment was made a number of times.

This is this is the advantage. This is one of the reasons. I love teaching I can take difficult topics and Make them really interesting because I've done so many interesting things especially in this field and in fact the internet.

Our brother from Dresden. I was it on On Wednesday I think is there a Tuesday or Wednesday forget what was He said I made mention of the fact I said man I really like to show you the debates I did in London without non Rashid.

And you know it'd be really nice to be able show you that stuff and so I come in one morning He says oh by the way your first debate with odd on machines on YouTube and I said it is and so he shows it to me and So I I pulled it up and And Downloaded it and We had a 90-minute segment.

It's a 90-minute long debate so we Sit here This this is the ultimate way of expressing how I would in a in a brief period of time Present this subject within an apologetic context because there has been an apologetic element to this this class dealing with textual criticism I mean we went all through the all and all in book.