August 2, 2016 Show with Tom Hoefling on “The Citizen-Led Campaign to Save America”

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America's Party and the Citizen-Led Campaign

We are going to have a candidate for the President of the United States on Iron Sharpens Iron today. He is running for that high office under the America's Party, the citizen-led campaign to save America and his name is Tom Hoefling and it's my honor and privilege to welcome you to Iron Sharpens Iron for the very first time, Tom Hoefling.

Hey Chris, thank you for having me today. It's great to be here.

Well, it's great to have you on the program, Tom, and before we even get into some more details about you personally, let our listeners know something about America's Party. Many, if not most, of our listeners may be totally unfamiliar with that party, but somebody fairly well known has some connection with its origins and that would be Alan Keyes, correct?

Yes, I had very long and he was our first nominee for America's Party.

Great. Well, tell us something about this party that makes it unique and in fact even not only unique when compared to the Republican Party and the Democratic Party, but also even the Constitution Party and some other independent parties that might be out there.

Well, America's.

Party is unique. It's a new party. We didn't want to make the same mistakes everybody else had made and so we set up America well down. Well, could you list some of those core principles for us? Well, the first one is the first cornerstone, so that's what a liberty property is.

The Citizen-Led Campaign to Save America

Now,.

I understand that you are the citizen-led campaign and as you call yourself or your party calls itself the citizen-led campaign to save America. What exactly does the citizen-led campaign mean?

What it means is we've recognized and I think more and more people are coming. They're on their own side from the bottom up. No donations accepted. Wow. That ought to be done by the people.

I'm going to give our email address for our listeners who would like to join us on the air with a question of their own. Our email address is chrizarnsen at gmail .com. That's C-H-R-I-S-A-R-N Z-E-N at gmail .com.

I ask that you please give your first name, your city and state, and your country of residence if you live outside of the USA. And of course, if you feel more comfortable remaining anonymous, we will accommodate your desires in that regard.

But we would ask of you, if at all possible, that you at least give us your first name, city and state, and country. And obviously, you know, Tom, that there are a lot of folks who say that all of these very important rights that we as American citizens and even as created beings of God Almighty, these rights that we cherish, they're going to say that people voting for you are going to be siphoning votes away from Donald Trump.

And even though Donald Trump may be, in the minds of many, a horrible candidate, he at least is going to be appointing Supreme Court justices that are more in alignment with some of these rights and liberties that we cherish, especially the pro-life issue.

How do you respond to that very common retort? Because obviously, I'm even getting some nasty emails for even daring to interview you, and Daryl Castle of the Constitution Party is going to be interviewed at some point in the near future, God willing, as well.

But there are people that really get angry by saying that all this is doing is helping.

To secure an election for Hillary Clinton. Well, let me, they said, okay, okay, what would you do? Would you say, well, you know, if I don't vote for Donald Trump, even if you put that aside, now adopted, he's a socialist, not the job, and you need to go down the road, election of my nine children.

Tom Hoefling's Christian Testimony

Well, let's, before we continue on with some.

Of the specific things that make the America's Party unique, and also make you unique as a candidate, I want to find out more about you as a person, you as a Christian, I understand that you profess faith in Christ.

Tell us something about your upbringing, what kind of religious.

Background you come from, if any, and how you came to know our Lord and Savior. I appreciate praise God. Very vividly. I came home from a really began my real praise God. Wow. And what is your current denominational affiliation or church affiliation?

I don't have one. I pretty much, you know, if you go to my bio, mm-hmm. We have a political party. And what is, go ahead, I'm sorry. No, we're united by our.

And what would be your vocational experience outside of your candidacy for president of.

The United States? Oh, that's a great question. Well, I spent time, so I did that. Mm-hmm. And of course, there's going to be people who mentally can't get past the carnival experience. What exactly?

Yeah, I know. You know, frankly, I'm not ashamed of it. I'm not saying you should be. No, no, I, you know, I understand. But it's the truth. A sword swallower, or what would you do? Oh, no, no. No, we owned carnival concessions and rides.

You know, did, mm-hmm. And I wasn't in the men in the capital. I've gone in and out of the elevator. I represent the common people in a glass tower. And we do have a listener, believe it or not, in Kinross,.

Scotland, who has a question. Oh, wow. Okay. Murray in Kinross, Scotland, says, born-again Christians like me would automatically vote for another believer. But why do you feel unbelievers should vote for you, given that many of them won't be Christians at all, and some of them downright hostile to the views we hold?

Oh, that's a great question. And I'm going to, okay. Mm-hmm. And it's not unbelievers. It's not the heathens. Because it is my belief that over decades and decades and decades, how people identify really.

Three quarters of the American people. Now, you and I, Chris, both know that much of that is culture. One-third of that 75%, one-third would quit. I would win. So, I had to say that before, whether they agree with.

America's Party, the Constitution Party, and the Republican Alternative

And going back to the uniqueness,.

Not only of you as a candidate, but the party, America's party, the uniqueness of that party, how would you differ from, say, the Constitution Party, where we have Daryl Castle as their candidate running for president?

I understand that there even has, there is some kind of a connection with the origins of the American party. Didn't you, didn't that party somehow break away.

From the Constitution Party, or what? No, no, no. No. First of all, the American party is a political party. What good is a political party? Alan Keyes was invited to work together and find, until the next day.

Howard Phillips, you mean? Actually. Of nations. And I think that was, you know, bringing down. Now, this year, because we're trying to build this and trying to bring these. Okay, we're going to be going to a break right now.

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And we do have CJ from Lindenhurst, Long Island, New York, who asks you, Tom, you gave an analogy before about drinking either Hillary's poison or Trump's poison, but obviously you must know that barring some kind of a miracle, you're not going to win the election, and therefore we are going to be drinking poison anyway.

Wouldn't it be safer to drink the poison that has more pure water in it? And in this regard, the analogy would be involving.

The Supreme Court justices. Any problems with that? The notion that, remind yourself, came down have been courtesy of Republican judges. It doesn't work with me or the people that I work with. I'm not drinking poison no more.

You claim you've watered it down. We will never, ever. That's what I believe. Candidate, who else wants to give the income to the federal government but me? I mean, look, if Donald Trump, if I have a Jetson, if you're a Christian, support me.

And could you explain a little bit in more detail how the Constitution Party and Daryl Castle specifically might be detrimental to biblical marriage in this country?

Well, you know, Daryl Castle, I know him. He's a follower of the lead in pointing to the 10th Amendment when it, the stated purpose is one thing, but Daryl Castle's running himself and.

These are the positions he's taking. So you think that the legalization of drug use will develop into people where they would not be using them illegally, that the use of drugs for recreational purposes would be more rampant?

And you could follow it up with answering this. One of the reasons that I see some legitimacy in the argument that we as a free people do not need a government that is our babysitter to protect us from ourselves is the whole issue of prohibition and how prohibition actually helps create organized crime as we know it.

How do you respond to those types of issues?

Abortion, Federal Power, and State Rights

Now, I have been told that murder is not a federal crime unless there are certain circumstances.

Involving the murder, that it is a crime of the state against the state. And therefore, that is the excuse that people like Ron Paul and Rand Paul and other libertarian-leaning pro-life people use to say that there is nothing inconsistent with being pro-life and believing that it is a state rights issue in regard to this.

How do you respond to that specifically? Because you're talking to a very strongly pro-life person here and I just want to be.

Further educated on the issue. Sure, this is a fallacy that I've been fighting for several decades now. And frankly, it's an idea that began to be locked into it. Admittedly, he said that some magical entity later became an obligation on the state.

Amen. Well, you definitely ring true with my heart and mind on that. We do have a listener in Mastic Beach, Long Island, New York. Tyler, are you familiar with the United States military putting our faith on the same level as the Ku Klux Klan?

Why is it that our country has become so ignorant to its real threats? It's because, in short,.

You know, every year I try. He said when he was young, he said after he said.

One thing that I wanted to have you clarify, I don't know if you specifically were aware of what Tyler was asking about as far as the military. I have never heard of this. I haven't either.

There's so much going on there. Wow. Well, one of the things that.

The libertarian movement, and I'm talking here about primarily those that we have some affinity with, not those who are giddy and excited about giving women the right to murder their unborn children or maintaining those alleged rights.

I'm talking about the conservative libertarians or those that have biblical moral values and so on. They would say that when we give too much power to the government for any reason, that is only going to be a detriment to all of us when someone who disagrees with us is in power, is elected and so on.

So, in other words, we might enjoy freedoms and liberties and the protection of the innocents when someone who agrees with us is in the office, but once that person loses an election or another person of a far more leftist persuasion gets into power with the federal government stronger, then it's only going to.

Stab us all in the back. Yeah, no, let me answer it. I know libertarians. Many libertarians support me because they believe in truth. Pro-abortion, pro-gay marriage, doesn't think Islam is a threat.

Again, there's no moral equation between a president. If he turns around and uses the people, that's not. We have Harrison in Mechanicsburg, Pennsylvania, who asks,.

What do you make of Donald Trump's statements that he would even seek a legal penalty against.

Women who have abortions? That sounds pretty strong. I think that same day he probably took like Ford. I wouldn't give it any credence. The judges make our laws. Anything is negated.

We have Richard in Albion, Idaho, and he says, and I'm sorry that this is something that you already covered, but perhaps some people are tuning in late, so I'll just read Richard's statement anyway. Any vote for anybody other than Donald Trump is a vote for Hillary, so please tell Mr. Hoffling and all those who think they ought to vote for him they are just.

Ensuring a Hillary election. That's the only choice. I will be on right in my name. Really? If people continue to fall for that lie. We're going to go to a break right now,.

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So if anybody would like that link, I can forward that to you after the program. So thank you,.

Tyler in Mastic Beach, Long Island. Hey Chris. Yes. Could I follow up with just a little question? Oh yeah, definitely. Okay, I'd like to kind of give people a brief history lesson. Sure. He can't win, he's got to be on all 50 state ballots.

I would remind people that in 1860, Abraham Lincoln, he ended up winning, even though he only got about 39%. They say you have to be on all 50 state ballots, they don't know anything about it. Well, wouldn't you say though that it.

Would still be nothing less than a miracle for someone such as yourself to win, even if you're talking about purely the recognizable names of Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump through the media and through advertising, the millions of dollars that have spent, they are household names and obviously you would have to admit there are probably just a handful comparatively of conservative independently thinking Christians who are familiar with you and even the America's party.

I was actually interviewing a professor of politics at the King's College who had not heard of the America's party, which surprised me, but anyway, how do you respond to that?

In Kramer, it talks about how the King's heart is in the Lord's hand and remember in this country, we lost the people. Oh, what I'm saying, the miracle would be a way, my reading of history is that when people begin to go down that path, God ends up giving them, they had three choices and they had a communist.

Oh, we better pick the left, you know, in 2008, evil nonsense. What did they end up with? They ended up with the evil they fear, Obama, and being ruled over by and they, by the way, surrendered the fight against marriage.

For years, we were winning every fight on marriage, 31 straight times and 31 on the marriage fight. The Republicans were piggybacking their campaigns on that effort and winning, but in 2012, the Romney Republican stood down.

They opened the door. I would warn people, you keep buying this stuff, you know, don't come to me when the country continues to go to hell in a handbasket.

Biblical Marriage and the Limits of Government

Now, how do you respond again to the conservative libertarian, the Christian libertarian, the libertarian who holds tenaciously to biblical morality and a biblical concept of marriage, who says, I agree with you wholeheartedly that the only thing that is marriage is a man and a woman, one man and one woman in covenant together with God for their entire lives and that the purpose of this, one of them is to procreate and so on, and that these are Christians who are libertarian leaning but who wholeheartedly agree with the biblical concept of marriage, an institution that Jesus Christ himself discusses in the scriptures, and the issue is that these libertarians will say that the government doesn't have any business in any of our marriages.

They don't need to be getting their fingers into anything that is between us, our fiancé, and a minister of the gospel, and our God, that the government's intrusion upon anyone's marriage is illegitimate.

How do you respond to that? You know, if you go back and read Marx and Engels.

From almost 200 years ago, this strength of God or everything else, it's antosterity.

We have Tyler again in Mastic Beach, Long Island, who wants to know if you've ever heard of these two quotes, when God wants to judge a nation, he gives them wicked rulers, that's John Calvin, and of two evils, choose neither, Charles Haddon Spurgeon.

He just wants to know.

If you've ever heard of those two quotes. Yes, absolutely, that we have available, just like that. In fact, I have shared those exact quotes a number of times, and there are thousands of others that we continually keep pushing out to people, because our primary goal is...

We have Bibi in Cumberland County, Pennsylvania, that asks,.

When do you think both the Republican and Democratic Party took a turn for the worst in history, or were they corrupt from their inception? Oh, that's a great question. My.

Compliments to the... My wife is a brilliant... For many years, and she's studied, studied together, probably more corrupt than most of us. People don't know that. She came back and was dominant for many decades, and judges who decided against the equal rights of the...

Can you be more.

Specific about the most vital areas where the GOP, the Republican Party, would be a detrimental party to be affiliated with for Bible-believing Christians? Look, I just want to say for.

Republicans, if they truly are principled, if they are not moral, lousy, they continue to pass that, in effect, give permission to do abortion on schedule, and by their arbitration, none of the laws passed by pro-life Republicans...

We have Arnie in Perry County, Pennsylvania,.

Who wants to know if Alan Keyes is still remaining loyal to America's party, and you specifically as their candidate? That's a good question as well. Alan,.

He didn't stay around all the details. And we have an anonymous listener in New Jersey.

Who wants to know. If you were not running for president yourself, who would you think.

Would be an ideal candidate for president of the United States? In 2008, it's very hard to find principled leaders who actually understand the things we're talking about. It would be better than to parade these things through and get it.

We have Christopher in Suffolk County, New York,.

Who wants to know what your position is on illegal aliens in this country. One of the things that seems to excite those who are more conservative to support Donald Trump, and also the very thing that alienates him from those who are more liberal, appears to be the issue of his hard stance against illegal aliens.

Where do you stand on this issue?

You know, folks will go to TomHofling .com, Chris. In fact, I just had an exchange with somebody that was in the top of my home page. And this was about everybody's people. Are we going to be compassionate?

And I explained over my 50 country, both legally and illegally, you know, you opening your house to anybody who wants to, you're not going to be able to live in that house. You're not going to be able to help anybody to do that.

That if you don't take care of an unbeliever, you're basically setting yourself up for the president of the United States who has an absolute, that same country, he also has not be part.

Now, many on the left have mocked Donald Trump about his insistence that he's going to build walls on our borders. That seems to be very common sense to me. I'm not saying that I support Donald Trump.

I'm not saying that he excites me as a candidate. I've said some very critical things against Donald Trump, both on this program and on the internet elsewhere. But that one thing, I mean, everyone that has the ability to protect themselves typically builds walls around where.

They live. I mean, without, without fences, you know, here in Iowa, we have an old saying, good fences make for good neighbors. Donald Trump is demagoguing us. He doesn't understand southern border states.

I've been fighting against these people. I've been steadily about this. And another thing, I've made it very clear that it would be finding open southern border until, you know. Well, you brought something up that makes me think of another thing that those.

Christian and conservative leaning libertarians have said. They say that our military doesn't belong overseas unless we are in war or at war with a nation or country or people where we have had officially declared war against them or they have declared war against us.

That our military should be primarily here on our borders, protecting us. We're so worried about things that are going on overseas that people are coming into our own country who are a danger to our citizens.

What is your view on America's involvement in overseas conflict that is really involving issues that don't involve directly America's security and so on?

Look, as far as overseas things, again, let's say I get worldwide fabric. We go through the steps to get out of them. I'll invoke Clint Eastwood. No. No. Be honest about it. Full blown. So, you know, listen to you then.

Foreign Policy, Borders, and Military Priorities

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