Aliens, UFOs and the Evolution Connection

I'm Terry Camerizal, and it's my privilege to get to introduce our speaker. But for a few quick announcements first, this is the

Creation Fellowship Santee. It's our virtually there presentation that we've been doing all through the summer.

We've been having a good time making delicious lemonade, as I'd like to say, with the lemons that life's been giving us.

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So, okay, with that, let's go ahead. And I'm happy to introduce our speaker,

Gary Bates. He's originally from Australia, which you will hear in his presentation tonight.

And he's the CEO of Creation Ministries International U .S. He's based in Atlanta, Georgia, and he's been married to his wife,

Frances, for 39 years. He is on the editorial team for Creation Magazine, which has subscribers in over 110 countries, and is also the producer of CMI's award -winning documentary

Evolution's Achilles Heels. Gary has either co -authored or authored seven books on the creation versus evolution debate and is best known for his book,

Alien Intrusion, UFOs and the Evolution Connection, which is the only creation book ever to have made the

Amazon top 50 bestseller list. It has since been made into a major motion picture.

So I know some of you in attendance have seen that. And it's been shown in theaters worldwide.

Gary was also awarded an honorary doctorate degree in creation science from Whitefield Theological Seminary for his specialist research in this area.

So with that, we are happy to have Gary Bates here to talk to us about Aliens, UFOs, and the

Evolution Connection. Go ahead, Gary. Well, thank you. It's good to be with you folks.

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So we're gonna try to distill the contents of this 420 page book.

It's now in its eighth printing. It's been updated several times over the years, but it is still very current.

It gives a good historical perspective of the UFO phenomenon, what people see, what they experience.

We were just saying before we started, I think now it would be in the hundreds of people that I've met, who've seen things in the sky, or who even would claim that they've had encounters with aliens or have been abducted, et cetera.

But let's go back to the origin of all this. One of the world's most famous evolutionists, Carl Sagan. Some of you, my generation are a bit older, might remember his

TV show, Cosmos. His book, in fact, was one of the largest selling science books of all time.

But on that TV show, the waves were crashing on the shore. And he said, the cosmos is all that is, ever was, or ever will be.

We'd call him a materialist, not as in acquiring wealth for yourself, but his idea is that matter is all there ever was or ever will be.

But for materialists, there's still a perplexing question, particularly for evolutionists.

How did life begin? We can't go back 3 billion years ago, as I believe, to look at this warm pond where the first chemicals got together to form the first amino acids and the first protein, and all life generated from them.

Because when we look today at the cell, modern science, our technology has revealed just incredibly complex layers of information.

Cells are described as cities. They have highways, communication networks.

And all of this is designed and coded by what is called the DNA molecule.

In the nucleus of all living things is this chemical, or if you like, organic chemical hard drive that contains lots and lots of information.

If we were to type out the letters on our human DNA, a single strand of DNA, we'd have about 3 billion letters.

So imagine piling 1 ,000 Bibles on top of one another and making sure that all the letters were in exactly the right orders to tell the cell to build a human being and do all the things that it does.

So with the discovery of the DNA molecule has mainly been attributed to these two guys, Watson and Crick.

Francis Crick there is seated. He was an atheist actually. He said one of the reasons he entered the sciences was to disprove the notion of a supernatural creator.

But when he got confronted with all of this information on the DNA molecule, information letters in a coded ordered sequence do not appear randomly in the book you're reading, do they?

It's always a sign that a greater source of intelligence put it there. But he was an atheist, he didn't believe in God.

So look at this, I wrote this article for Creation Magazine back in 2003 to celebrate the 50th anniversary of the discovery of the

DNA molecule. But a lot of people don't know. So Francis Crick, he's postulated that the aliens seeded life on earth.

How about that? It's not a new idea. And so quite simply, he believes in evolution.

So evolution must have occurred elsewhere in this 14 billion year old universe. Those aliens became so highly evolved and advanced in their technology.

They visited the earth and seeded life here and all the coding problems in the DNA were sorted out.

That's kind of, to be honest, become mainstream science today. When people look at the complexity of the

DNA molecule, it does scream design. So as this little guy says, if life evolved on earth, it must have evolved somewhere else.

If earthlings didn't believe in evolution, he might not exist. Now, of course, the other view,

Christians might say, well, why couldn't God have created aliens? I'm gonna deal with that as the last subject tonight because it's one of the most problematic

I find in dealing with. But let's talk about this. So what is the big grand theory, if you wanna call it that, of evolution?

Well, they would say in the beginning, there was nothing. I'm simplifying this and I'm not parroting it or ridiculing it, it's entirely accurate.

There was nothing. When I say nothing, there's no space, there's no matter, there's no galaxies, there's no atoms, there's nothing.

And in this nothingness appears a quantum particle, a little kernel of energy, no bigger than the head of a pin that suddenly popped into existence out of nowhere and for no reason.

And this pinhead's worth of energy suddenly expanded and over billions of years became everything we see in the universe today.

That's known as the Big Bang. And at CMI, Creation Ministries International, we like to point out we're not anti -science, but we'd like to distill the views about the past into a well -defined area we would call historical science as opposed to operational science.

Go and boil a kettle, test what water boils at, you can repeat it, test it, observe it, develop ideas that you could use the steam for.

That's the type of science that gives us technology and Zoom platforms. But who was there to see a

Big Bang 14 billion years ago? You can't repeat it, you can't test it. No one observed it.

It's really not the type of science that people commonly understand.

The type of science, operational science, you and I understand is you can do in the present, you can repeat it, you can observe the results.

So the father of that inflation theory of the Big Bang is a gentleman, a scientist by the name of Professor Alan Guth.

And summarizing his work in Discover Magazine, on the front page, they wrote, the universe burst into something from absolutely nothing, zero, nada.

And as it got bigger, it became filled with even more stuff that came from absolutely nowhere.

And again, not to ridicule, but to point out that when you are dealing with the past, both creationists and evolutionists have beliefs, ideas about the past.

We interpret data in the present. As this cartoon does say, we'll have a bit of fun.

He says, let me get this straight. First there was nothing, and then it exploded. And that is pretty much an accurate assessment of the

Big Bang. But think about it, in a Big Bang universe, if life evolved on the earth, it must have evolved countless times over.

And they might believe that our earth, our Milky Way is in a relatively young part of the universe. So there could be alien races out there, a million or billion years older than us on the evolutionary scale.

So just imagine if there were a million or billion years advanced in their technology, could they build hyperdrive spaceships and visit the earth?

We're going to have a look at that. Now, of course, the other view is we believe that God created.

Of course, one of the most asked questions the skeptics like to point out is they say, well, if God created, then well, who made

God? But that's a misunderstanding about the nature of God. When we read the very first verse in the

Bible, we all know this one, in the beginning, God created the heaven and the earth.

But let me take away that second part of that passage. It says, in the beginning, God. That's implying that he was there before the universe that he made.

Now, how can that be? Well, one of the reasons we ask who made is because everything we see in our physical universe had a beginning.

In fact, this is known as the law of causality. And I can summarize it like this.

Everything which has a beginning must have a cause. Everything.

Think about the building you're in. Think about the tree outside. Even that rock on the ground, it had a beginning in time.

We live in a time -space, a linear time -space universe. Therefore, it must have had a cause.

Now, whether you're a big banger or a creationist tonight, you would have to believe that the universe had a beginning. In fact, when the universe began, and we got stars and galaxies and a moon and an earth and a sun, which the earth rotates around the sun, we use those to measure time.

Now, time on earth a day is when the earth rotates.

But if you lived on Venus, I think, I'm not sure, I think it's about 230 Venusian days would be equivalent to an earth day.

So you use these physical bodies to define time for yourself. But hang on.

When there's no universe, there's no space, there's no physical bodies, no atoms, time doesn't exist.

But the Bible says that's where God is. So in fact, God is actually a timeless being.

We understand that as Christians. He's a, for want of a better word, a supernatural being. The Bible says he's unique.

Now, again, if you were a big banger or a creationist, well, think about this. The big bangers actually have their own supernatural events.

They can't say, well, you just default to the God of the Bible for solving everything.

But when you believe that a universe came into being, that quantum particle out of nothing, as I said, it's your own supernatural event because it defies the very, very same physical laws that evolutionists appeal to.

You can't have something coming into being out of nothing. That is not science.

But apparently that created everything. So just to highlight that our views about the past are really steeped in philosophy.

So let's go forward. When we're looking out there, because of the idea of a big bang and life perhaps evolving elsewhere, that led to what we call the

Origins Program still in force today, which is to search. And you can see here,

Dan Golden took over NASA after the Apollo missions, after Apollo 17 was the last one, and he stated one of their goals was to look for Earth -like planets that may be habitable or inhabited.

Kind of sounds like they're looking for Obi -Wan Kenobi living in a cave in Tatooine somewhere, but that's not the type of life they're after.

That's why they've got rovers on Mars. They've discovered water on Mars. They think, wow, where there's water, there might be life.

But of course, as we discovered, DNA, life is a lot more complex than just add

H2O, isn't it? But the type of extraterrestrial life we see in science fiction movies that has, in fact, most people, polls suggest that 70 to 80 % of people believe that aliens have visited the

Earth and might even be visiting us now. But when you see them tearing around in their faster -than -light spaceships, that's something known as the extraterrestrial hypothesis, or the

ETH, that these physical aliens could be visiting the Earth in real physical spacecraft.

But just to put that into context, this became popular in the 50s and 60s with those B -grade movies.

But as our understanding about the enormous size of the universe has increased, it's become obvious that aliens could not travel hundreds of thousands or even millions of light years across the universe, or even our own

Milky Way. You'd require multiple generations to make the trip. They'd have to raise their children to be nuclear physicists to run the matter, anti -matter propulsion systems on board the ship, and then have to raise their children to do the same.

Again, context, our Milky Way, our sun is but one star in our

Milky Way. We think there might be 2 billion stars like our sun just in our own galaxy.

And they estimate our Milky Way as 100 ,000 light years across.

So just to cross our own galaxy, and there are billions of galaxies out there all containing potentially billions of stars.

If you could travel at the speed of light, 186 ,000 miles per second, it would take you 100 ,000 years to cross.

Of course, unless you've got one of these babies, right? So I'm a closet

Trekkie, there you are. I enjoy science fiction, but I do remember that it is science fiction.

So these guys apparently travel at warp speed, multiple factors faster than light.

How feasible is this? This is a point of contention. Well, in the future, they'll have advanced technology.

Yes, that's true. But will it enable you to fly faster than light around our

Milky Way or the universe? So the retired space shuttle, that and the

Saturn V rockets that took man to the moon are the most powerful vehicles that mankind has ever built.

If you can look here where my pointer is, just the two solid rocket fuel boosters, the

SRBs as I call them on the space shuttle, firing those for just two minutes, okay?

If you could convert that to electrical energy, you'd have enough power to fuel 87 ,000 homes for a full day.

The fuel pumps are so powerful, they could empty the average family -sized swimming pool in just 20 seconds, right?

But at the very best speed of Apollo, okay? Remembering what I said about our

Milky Way and our own sun, okay, the best speed of those craft, it would take you 870 ,000 years to reach the next star to our own sun in our own

Milky Way, Proxima Centauri, which is 4 .3 light years away.

See, there are problems. As your speed increases, you're gonna get other problems. Look at this.

I want you to imagine we've got something about the size of a softball, right? About just over a pound in weight.

If I wanted to accelerate that to half the speed of light represented by the letter C, at that speed, it would take you 4 million years to reach

Andromeda, which is the next galaxy outside our own Milky Way.

It's 2 million light years away, okay? Now, here's the problem. When you speed up, you're using all that energy to speed up in space, but when you get to your destination, you have to use exactly the same energy requirements to slow yourself down.

So you've just doubled the energy requirements. Well, hang on, you wanna get home back to the Earth, so you've gotta speed up and then slow down again.

Every return trip requires a fourfold input of that energy.

Space is not empty. It's actually full of cosmic dust, and it's been estimated that there's about 100 ,000 dust particles for every cubic kilometer of space.

So one -tenth of the speed of light, if you impacted a speck of dust, it would be like 10 tons of TNT impacting your spaceship.

A pea -sized object, you can see, would have the energy equivalents of 2 .2 atomic bombs.

But again, science fiction to the rescue, right? On the Starship Enterprise, they have these things called deflector arrays.

So not only do they have to detect grains of dust when they're flying at warp speed, trillions of kilometers in advance of their ship, but if one impacts them, it's able to deflect them.

But hang on, we've just now increased the energy requirements for the ship. Not only the speed requirements, but we've now gotta produce all this energy.

We've gotta produce an equal amount of opposing energy to deflect that object.

Just as an example, here's a couple of panels just on the Hubble Space Telescope.

And you can see there, they're not very large, they're just specks of dust or something like that, but you can see how many there are.

Now, the Hubble Space Telescope sits in what we call geosynchronous orbit. In other words, it matches the

Earth's rotation. I'm not sure, it's about 200 ,000 kilometers out and doesn't fly it anywhere near the speeds you would need to get even around our solar system, let alone the galaxy or the universe.

So it just indicates how much stuff there is. And this unfortunate episode was when the

Space Shuttle Challenger was orbiting the Earth. It hit a flake of paint.

Look at this, 0 .2 of a millimeter in size. That's smaller than the head of a pin.

And you can see the damage it caused to the window of the craft, a $50 ,000 reglazing bill.

The flake was only traveling somewhere between three to six kilometers per second. There are other problems, g -forces.

As we sit here on Earth, we measure gravity using Earth's gravity as one g.

So if you've ever seen those Red Bull pilots racing the fast planes or an Air Force pilot, when they do those very, very high speed turns and maneuvers, you'll see on their little meter, they might pull seven, eight g's.

But if you even pulled nine g's for several seconds, you would likely black out.

So if you do watch Star Trek and you know what I'm talking about, when you know Captain Jean -Luc Picard sits on board of the

Starship Enterprise and he says, make it so, and they jump into warp speed, you'd be exerting millions of g's upon the occupants of the craft.

But again, this is why it's called science fiction because you Trekkies out there know that the

Starship Enterprise has things called inertial dampeners. Yes, it is science fiction.

The distance problem is one of the biggest pain in the neck to science fiction writers. That's why they come up with all sorts of novel and imaginative ideas to avoid the incredible distances and the time it would take to get there.

Cosmic radiation is a problem. While we're here on Earth, we're protected from harmful cosmic radiation.

As you leave the Earth, you get increased dosages. In fact, even when you fly, you get zapped with a little extra cosmic radiation.

And so as your speed increases also, the dosages increase.

So likely as you approach the speed of light, you would probably get fried.

And here's the most intractable problem if you wanna get around the Milky Way within our lifetime.

There's a maximum speed limit within our physical universe, and that is the speed of light.

This was theorized by Einstein, and there's good operational experimental science to show that he was correct.

So you might remember from your physics classes at school, as you get faster, as your speed increases, what else increases?

Your mass, that's right. And so you've gotta use ever increasing amounts of energy to now hurtle that increased mass becomes exponential.

So quite simply, you would never ever get to the speed of light in our physical universe because you would need an infinite amount of energy to do so.

In other words, it's impossible. So in recent years, and if you're watching tonight and you're a bit of a

UFO fan and groupie and not trying to be disrespectful, you might be saying, well, you know, these

Christians are just gonna shoehorn it all into their Bible and their spiritual belief. Well, as I said,

I've been doing this for 20 years and there's been a quantum shift in the secular UFO movement.

Most of them, yes, most of them do not believe in the extraterrestrial hypothesis anymore.

The most popular view is something called the inter dimensional hypothesis. And this is actually what

Bible believer Christians like me believe in. In fact, you'll see, although we agree about the nature of the phenomenon, we might disagree about its origin.

So the inter dimensional hypothesis says that aliens might be visiting the earth from other dimensions, from other realms, and they don't appear physically, okay?

It overcomes, you can see in the text there, the travel distance problems. They claim to have evolved into some sort of spiritual state.

They don't need physical bodies. They can kind of will themselves around the universe and enter into ours, et cetera.

And it has taken on religious significance. Again, you can't test things like this when aliens appear and disappear in your room at night.

Now, when people point out criticisms with the UFO movement, and some of the sightings you get called a debunker.

I'm not a debunker. I do believe something's going on. As I said, I've met lots of people who've seen things, but here's a few popular examples.

Mexico City, 1997, see this? These are not Photoshop. They were seen on radar.

The Mexican Air Force confirmed it. Metallic objects buzzed downtown Mexico City.

One of the most well -documented UFO events in history. In fact, thousands of people saw it.

Video cameras looked at it. In the movie, when you went to see it, you would recall we met a radar operator from the

Washington UFO event in 1952, where over two separate weekends, these lights buzzed the

Capitol Dome of the White House. They merged into one object, broke apart, flew faster than the jets that were sent up to try to intercept them, et cetera.

Never been explained until this day. Crop circles, don't have time to talk about them tonight, but quite simply, demonstrably shown to be made by men, even these very people, even these elaborate circles.

But what's interesting is when they build them, strange supernatural phenomena seems to accompany them.

People claim they see visions, or they get sick, or even they're healed, or balls of light appear.

And I'm sure you're all familiar with Roswell. And this is Roswell in New Mexico, has kind of become the

Mecca for UFO enthusiasts. I've been there several times. In fact, I think I'm the only Bible -believing creationist ever to be invited to speak at the annual

Roswell UFO Convention down there. And it's believed, of course, that an alien flying saucer crash -landed there on a ranch in 1947, and the government whisked away the bodies, and they harvested technology.

That's why we have lasers today. We got it from the aliens, and so on. If you grab my book,

Alien Intrusion, or just go to creation .com, type in Roswell under the Freedom of Information Act, we actually know what happened there, and you can find out more.

So there have been some big events, but Roswell is a town unlike any other.

Mainstream businesses have jumped upon it, and the whole town exists to perpetuate this

UFO theme. So for example, have a look at the street lamps there outside the convention center.

And there's the Coke machine, my youngest daughter standing next to it. Even the McDonald's there is built in the shape of a flying saucer.

So it's also big business, and no more so than in Hollywood. And it's been a while since I updated this, but I literally did this from memory.

I didn't even have to research it. On the left two columns, you've got some of the highest -grossing movies of all time.

And on the right there, you've got some of the most popular TV shows. In fact, at any one time, depending what's out there, and I should add, of course, the

Marvel series, The Avengers, because guess what?

It's about aliens as well, isn't it, to that. But Star Trek, The Next Generation, which I've been joking about there,

I believe is still the most syndicated TV show in human history. So it is very popular.

Sci -fi and the theme of aliens is really big business. And why do those aliens look different?

When you're watching Star Wars, I mean, and you look at Jabba the Hutt, besides the fact he looked like he ate too many pizzas, why does he look different?

Well, evolution is the key. In their planet's history, evolution may have taken a left turn or a right turn compared to the

Earth, and they've evolved differently. So even when we see these alleged benevolent aliens in these science fiction shows, the underlying theme there again is evolution.

What you believe about where we came from will determine your particular views.

Now, as I said, I've met people. So these three images here were done by a lady who's an artist who claimed that one night aliens entered her bedroom and repeatedly did so.

She claimed it was a life -changing experience for her, but she also claimed to be a

Christian. But because of her experience, and that's where we've got to be careful, we can have experiences, we can have spiritual experiences, but how do you interpret them?

Well, she used the experience to interpret her Bible, whereas what we should always do, of course, if the

Bible is a source from the creator who is beyond our space and time and made it, well, then it would make sense to listen to him for interpreting these things.

But she says, for example, look, Elijah was raptured into a spaceship. UFOs parted the

Red Sea, and Moses was spoken to in the burning bush by a radio transmitter beamed down from the mothership.

You probably just had a giggle at that, but believe it or not, that is a very, very common view.

UFO believers like the Bible because they believe, again, that the fuddy -duddy

Bible writers have mistakenly recorded these advanced visits from aliens as gods.

And when I showed these pictures one night, I was at a church in Australia and a man stood up and he said, well, what's wrong with that?

He said, after all, Jesus was just an advanced extraterrestrial. By the virtue of his advanced technology, that's how come he could turn water into wine, perform the miracles and raise the dead.

It wasn't because he was the creator. So again, you can see how these beliefs are in fact challenging conventional

Christian thought on the matter. Now, some of you might remember Steven Spielberg's third movie, but his second blockbuster after Jaws was something called

Close Encounters of the Third Kind. I remember watching it back in the day. I was not a

Christian. I went to the drive -ins and it, because I wasn't a Christian at the time, it literally did have a religious effect on me.

I got this idea of these grand utopian worlds and these advanced extraterrestrials overseeing human evolution.

But a lot of people don't know the lead investigator in the movie, if you can hark back, was a

Frenchman. And he was based upon a real person. Spielberg paid homage to two

UFO researchers, both scientists in the movie. The first one was Dr. Jacques Vallée.

And look at this, back in 1979, he wrote this. He said, belief in the reality of UFOs is spreading rapidly at all levels in society throughout the world.

Books and periodicals appear at an ever -increasing rate. Documentaries and major films are now made by young people of the

UFO generation, Spielberg case in point. And he said he grew up with these flying saucer stories of the 50s and 60s, and they've moved into influential positions in the media.

If you've got a Hewlett -Packard computer, they donate to SETI. Paul Allen, one of the co -founders of Microsoft, was going to have his own telescope array paid for by him at SETI.

SETI is the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence. And then there's another man.

And at the end of the movie, you might see when the flying saucer lands, this man comes out rubbing his beard with his pipe.

In fact, one of the most well -respected UFO researchers of all time, that they made a series a couple of years ago on TV called

Blue Book. Dr. J. Allen Hynek, he investigated UFOs for the US government for over 20 years.

And he actually became frustrated with the government's attempts to explain everything naturalistically.

You've probably heard of the swamp gas theory, right? There is no such thing as swamp gas causing these lights.

He invented it as a distraction, but he became uncomfortable with that start of his own organization.

And being interviewed in a magazine, he said this. And I wanna say, I have a lot of respect for Dr.

Hynek. He's not a believer, Christian believer, but he was trying to find answers and he would go wherever the evidence led.

And you're gonna see he reached a spiritual or interdimensional conclusion like his contemporary

Jacques Vallée and they became co -collaborators. They reported their findings to the United Nations and so on.

He said, certainly the phenomenon has psychic aspects. I don't talk about them very much because to a general audience, the word psychic and occult have bad overtones.

They say, oh, it's all crazy. But the fact is there are psychic things. UFOs seem to materialize and dematerialize.

There's been a change of outlook, change of philosophy of person's lives.

That's a change of their worldview. He says, now those are rather tricky things to talk about openly, but it's there.

Many people like Jacques Vallée and I feel to some extent it might be a conditioning process.

Bingo. I've discovered like everybody else, people are often changed by their experience.

Remember I showed you those paintings a little moment ago. Now he was talking about what he used the terms paranormal or paraphysical.

Now as Christians, what terms might we use to describe the same phenomena? Yes, spiritual or supernatural.

So the Bible actually records, doesn't it? Visitors from a supernatural realm to our own angels.

But one very important visitor, if you like, from that other dimension was the Lord Jesus Christ whom the

Bible says is the creator who became flesh. Notice here in John 18, 36, standing before Pilate during his trial, he said, my kingdom is not of this world, my kingdom is from another place.

And during, of course, the transfiguration event on the River Jordan, he said, or the disciples later off recounting it said, we did not follow cleverly invented stories when we told you about the power and coming of our

Lord Jesus Christ. We were eyewitnesses of his majesty. They saw this heaven open up, if you like.

What does the scripture say? A voice came down and said, this is my son whom I love with whom

I am well pleased. And Jesus did perform miracles. He raised the dead.

How could he do that? Well, if he's the creator, if he created the universe, not very hard for him, is it?

How could he turn water into wine, calm the seas and the storms again?

Because he has control over the universe and the matter that he created. In fact, if you're a non -believer listening tonight, perhaps you're on Facebook and you think that miracles are a violation of natural law,

I'd like you to think about it differently. Because when you can actually use operational science, if you like, to show when a miracle has taken place.

And what this is, is God who is outside the physical universe that he made is enacting his will upon matter.

That's how Jesus could turn water into wine. Not hard when you've created the universe.

And the same creator, the Lord Jesus warns us in Matthew 24. Look at this, false

Christs and false prophets will appear, perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect if that was possible.

Who's the elect he's talking about? Well, of course, that is the church. So there's a bit of a heads up to be careful about even signs and wonders.

How will people interpret? Is the modern UFO phenomenon where we see these physics defying craft, flying at over 7 ,000 miles an hour, doing

U -turns, not slowing down, becoming one object, acting in a paranormal or paraphysical manner.

What will people interpret that as? Perhaps as advanced aliens.

So the nature of UFOs specifically, these are unidentified flying objects.

They've been seen throughout history. They're not new. The ancient Romans and Greeks have stories of flying shields.

In fact, if you went to see the movie, you remember we reported on Alexander the Great saying that flying shields attacked his army.

They've been seen on radar by multiple credible witnesses. Again, in the movie, we reported on Washington, D .C.

The Washington UFO press conference held at the Washington Press Club, where 80 Air Force officers got up and gave testimony of seeing these things on radar.

And listen to this. They even have disabled our nuclear weapons while in their silos.

Now, this is not hysterical, cover up stuff that I'm alerting to.

I work for a robust scientific organization. But these have been seen and documented.

So when the government sees something like this, how would they interpret that? Well, the government, of course, doesn't accept the supernatural.

I believe we're probably coming to a time because they have so many records of these things where they will probably interpret it as being extraterrestrial in nature and therefore claim that we have been visited by ETs.

As I've said, they defy the laws of physics. They've been seen to accelerate to the ground and do

U -turns going up in the air, would splatter any occupants. They've changed shape.

And just like the movie Close Encounters, there's been electrical outages and disturbances and animals get spooked by them, for example.

Just as an example, here's one from New Mexico in 1957. That's never been answered.

This is, by the way, is what they call that classic cigar shape. Remember, we're only looking at this in a two -dimensional plane.

They often don't make noise and they don't accelerate and move away. It's like they're there and then they're gone.

So again, that type of force, G -forces or acceleration, would splatter any occupants on board.

By the way, here's an interesting factoid for you. No two UFOs in history have ever appeared exactly alike.

What does that mean if these really are extraterrestrials? We're being visited by thousands of different extraterrestrial races every year.

There's about 150 sightings every day. We can explain 90 % of them as man -made objects, ball lightning, lenticular clouds.

In fact, the planet Venus is the most mistaken UFO. It appears early in the night sky.

27 % of all sightings reported to UFO organizations are in fact the planet

Venus. But here's the problem. We can't lasso or use our tractor beam to bring in something like I've got on screen.

We can't test it. But there is one area, I believe, where we might be able to unpick what is going on.

And that's in the area of what people call alien abductions. Let me show you the nature of them.

People are driving their car or they're in their room and suddenly an entity appears.

Often the experiencer is paralyzed. They don't have any physical control over the situation.

And then that's all they remember. And something called missing time occurs.

So they don't have any conscious recollection of what happened during the event. They knew something happened beforehand.

And then after the event, they wake up and the clock on the dashboard or in their room, hours of time have passed.

In fact, there's been books written on this. But when they wake up, they have a sensation of being interfered with.

There are markings on their arm. They'll often go off to a UFO research center. And here's where one of the problems occurs.

They'll undergo hypnotic regression. Now I've got a whole talk on that.

And there's a whole brand new chapter on that in my book to show how memories can be made up by our imagination or even implanted deliberately or inadvertently, sometimes by the researchers themselves.

But when they recount these stories, they talk about experiences that are very similar to out of body or near death experiences, but they're given religious messages.

So the aliens apparently travel millions and millions of light years to get here. And one of the most common messages is that traditional religion is wrong.

Jesus is just an extraterrestrial. They make predictions of a future global chaos that very, very closely mirror the

Bible's account of end times, events, et cetera. So Christians should be getting a hint here because the

Bible says there's one that masquerades as an angel of light. He's a counterfeiter.

Now researchers like myself, secular and Christian, we use something called the classic abduction syndrome.

It's a set of markers that we try to use to determine whether somebody's had what we would call a genuine experience.

Imagine you have a cold or some symptoms, you'll get diagnosed based on those.

Now, not everybody has all eight that I have on the screen here. They might have three or four, but usually these genuine experiences don't fall outside this grouping.

There's a capture, as I said, they're driving a car, see a light, last thing they remember, or they're in their room.

Under hypnosis, they remember undergoing medical examinations or being spoken to, they believe telepathically, they're taken on a tour.

Listen to this. I've already talked about the travel distance problems, but they're taken on a tour of the galaxy within just an hour or two that they have been unconscious.

They have records of what's called a theophany. The Bible records these. These are the manifestations of a divine being, but they say

Jesus, Buddha, Muhammad, they're all living on the ship together in peace and harmony.

And it's us fuddy old fuddy -duddy Christians, again, who've got to give up our old ways and embrace this new way.

But again, when they return, they don't have any conscious recollection. They can't remember what happened during the missing time.

And that's why they go to these UFO research centers. So for example, here's a lady very famous in America, in California, Donna Higby.

She has hypnotically regressed lots and lots of abductees. She's not a Christian. These quotes

I'm gonna show you now. So in one respect, they're kind of a hostile witness for my hypothesis. But look what she wrote.

She said, I noticed a drastic change in the attitude of several of the abductees from one meeting to the next.

People who've been traumatized all their lives by these abductions had anger and mistrust for their non -human abductors.

But they suddenly started saying that they've been told or shown that everything that happened to them, and I won't go into the details.

Some of it is brutal and of a sexual nature, but it was for their own good. And that the abductor was a highly spiritual beings helping them to evolve spiritually.

She says by accepting this information, the abductees stopped fighting and instead became passive and controlled.

She said she checked with other researchers and found it was a pattern all over the country. And she became concerned that abductees were accepting explanations and stories from entities we know can be deceitful.

I wanna make a point here. This is a secular researcher, an expert who's dealt with abductees.

She's saying that the abductors, the alleged aliens are liars.

So let me just say something. If somebody lies to you, what does that make them? Yeah, trust is not recommended.

They act deceptively. They stealthily take people against their will in the middle of the night and subject them to brutal grotesque experiments on board the ship.

Another famous UFO researcher was this man, John Keel. He wrote a book called the Mothman Prophecy.

Some of you may have seen the movie version with Richard Gere. But again, it's a non -Christian saying this.

This is what his research says, because he sees the patterns throughout history of what is similar to what's happening today.

The devil and his demons can, according to the literature, manifest themselves in almost any form and can physically imitate anything from angels to horrifying monsters with glowing eyes.

Strange entities and objects materialize, dematerializing these stories just as the UFOs and their splendid occupants appear, disappear, walk through walls and perform other supernatural feats.

He goes on. He says, demonology is not just another crack pothology.

Thousands of books have been written on the subject. Many of them authored by educated clergymen, scientists, and scholars, and uncounted numbers of well -documented demonic events are readily available to every researcher.

Let me just stop there. Readily available to every researcher. I found it, but here's the problem.

Maybe you're a great believer in the idea that aliens are visiting us, or these people go to UFO research centers who exist to promote the idea that we're being visited by extraterrestrials.

You're not gonna get this information because it conflicts with what their purpose is for.

He goes on and says, the manifestations and occurrences described, and he calls it an imposing literature, there's so much of it, are similar, if not entirely identical, to the

UFO phenomenon itself. Victims of possession suffer the very same medical and emotional symptoms as the

UFO contactees. So there you go. You don't have to believe little Joe Christian here tonight.

In fact, what's happened is the UFO movement has come a long way to, if you like, our understanding that we've always held as Christians that this is spiritual in nature, that it's coming from another realm or dimension, and the

Bible has always said there's always been a spiritual realm or dimension. See, the Bible is a history book.

It's not a science book. Where it touches on science, of course, it should be correct, and it is. But right back at the beginning, the very first deception occurred where the first humans were deceived by a being called

Lucifer. Lucifer literally means being of light or bearer of light, and I said he masquerades as an angel of light, the

New Testament says, and he deceived them. And the great cosmic war began.

Lucifer is a fallen angel, and the Bible indicates that one third of all the angels rebelled and took flight with him.

And that is the war that's going on today, and whether it's UFOs or the supernatural spiritualism, false religions that are all designed to get our eyes off the one true source of truth.

In the New Testament, 1 Timothy 4 .1, Paul writes, the spirit clearly says that in later times, some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.

Be careful of experiences. In the movie, if you went to see it, you will have noticed

I interviewed one of the most famous and well -known and respected

UFO researchers today. That's Nick Redfern. He's written over 40 books on the subject, and he said, again, that he's moved from the extraterrestrial hypothesis to the interdimensional hypothesis.

Not a Christian, but look what he wrote. He says, there's the nature of the entities themselves.

They practically overemphasize who or what they claim to be. We only have to take a careful look at such cases to see that these incidents are staged, managed.

It's a game, a scenario that has everything to do with trying to emphasize the

ET mean. Of course, they could easily avoid us, but here's the deal, they want to be seen.

It's not an accident, it's carefully planned, and it's designed to plant an image of ET scientists in the minds of the witnesses.

Again, see, we're not shoehorning this into the Bible. The Bible, as I said, to repeat, has always explained what he is describing here, that it is spiritual and interdimensional in nature.

So are we talking about advanced extraterrestrials or fallen angels? Well, look what

Paul writes in Galatians here. He gives us a heads up. He says, even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach a gospel other than the one we've preached to you, let him be accursed, let him be condemned, some passages say.

So yes, we're dealing with fallen angels masquerading, and it's been, remember, throughout history.

150 years ago, people didn't believe in aliens from another planet, but they had experiences, they saw balls of light.

How would they interpret them? They interpret them within the cultural understanding of the day, and our culture today believes that the universe is teeming with life through evolution, that it's billions of years in advance of us, therefore highly evolved with its technology also, and that's how come it can visit the earth.

That's pop culture. And so Redfern and others have said, is it morphs or masquerades itself, adapts itself to the cultural understanding of the day.

And the idea of evolution occurring everywhere has been used to ridicule the Bible. Some of you might know renowned physicist,

Paul Davies, University of Arizona, I think he is now, and he said this. He said,

Christianity in particular has difficulties with regard to the very special role that Jesus Christ plays.

If they wish to retain Jesus Christ as the savior, is he the savior of mankind only, or of all sentient beings throughout the universe?

See, he just assumes the universe is full of intelligent, sentient life. Will each community have its own savior?

Doesn't it all start to become a little ludicrous, he says. Well, I said

I was going to deal with the idea, could God have created life on other planets? And my experience, and I'm not saying this in terms of hyperbole, my experience is in fact, of all the churches

I speak to on the subject, most Christians probably say, well, yeah, he could have.

Well, if we're Christians, we should be Bible first. And I believe we can look at the big picture of scripture to determine whether God created extraterrestrial life or not.

Now, before we do that, of course, some people would say, well, hang on, Gary, you can't say there are no aliens because the

Bible is silent about them. But that's an argument from silence, you can't inject something into the

Bible based on the fact the Bible doesn't talk about it. So again, let's look at the big picture. Before we do,

I want you to consider this. As creationists, we well know this passage in Genesis 128, we call it the dominion mandate, where mankind was given dominion over the earth, go and subdue the earth, okay?

We are the federal head of creation. So if all of these sightings we're seeing really were aliens in their advanced hyperdrive spaceships visiting the earth, well, wouldn't they actually have dominion over us by virtue of their advanced technology if they were created by God?

That would be breaking, I believe, that created order, that ranking here on the earth, the dominion mandate.

So the big picture, the whole creation, the universe has been corrupted by sin.

We know that. The heavens and earth in Genesis 1 .1 are going to be reserved for destruction by a fervent heat.

Heavens and earth, we call that a merism, it's a grammatical phrase, it means everything that God made.

A merism is when you describe something by describing the opposing end.

So if you're sitting in a room tonight, you might say, well, let's paint this room from top to bottom.

Top is one end, bottom is the other end, but implied in that statement is we're gonna paint everything. So heavens and earth is a merism, everything that God made.

So hypothetically, if God created aliens on other planets, they would be affected by Adam's curse because what

Adam did here has caused the universe to fall. That's why the heavens and earth have got to be recreated.

Poor old Mr. Spock, he's sitting out there on the planet Vulcan, they get cancers and die because of what

Adam did, right? And when God came to this earth, he came as a human being, Jesus Christ, because he wanted to redeem humans back to himself and his creation.

The Bible says in Isaiah, he is our kinsman redeemer. The church, well, we are called

Christ's bride. We're gonna be his bride throughout eternity. We're bought with his blood. Is he going to have lots of brides throughout the universe?

Wouldn't that make him a bigamous? The idea of one bride for one groom, it's symbolic of that monogamous relationship, one man for one woman that we saw at creation.

And then of course, you've got to be a physical descendant of Adam to qualify for salvation.

If you're a Vulcan or a Ferengi or something like that, I'm sorry, you miss out because you're not a descendant of Adam.

And Jesus was called the last Adam because he came to undo the effects of what the first Adam brought in to creation.

And summing up, the heavens, the heavens and earth, as I said, are gonna be destroyed by a fervent heat.

So hypothetically, these aliens created by God who've been affected by the curse through no fault of their own, and they can't be saved because they're not descendants of Adam, are thus going to be destroyed when

God creates a new heavens and earth. You see, if God created those intelligent sentient beings with the potential to build faster than light spaceship and then suffer the opprobrium of the curse, well,

I suggest to you that would make God unjust. And of course, that's something he is not. You know, the

Bible says that Christ died for sins once for all. He's not gonna be crucified and raised again on other planets.

I believe the Bible's big picture discounts the idea of sentient, intelligent alien life.

Now that's problematic, because every time I do that, I know some people go, yeah, but, and maybe you don't know what the but is yourself, but maybe

I can help you. It's actually, well, it doesn't make sense. Why would God have made a universe so big just for us here on earth?

Well, did he make it for us? Well, what does the Bible say?

Look at this, the Eagle Nebula, one of the most downloaded pictures ever off the NASA website taken by the

Hubble Space Telescope. That cloud of gas is one light year long, that's all.

And that equates to 9 .6 trillion kilometers in length. And it's just a speck out there.

The Bible tells us why the universe is the way it is. It declares God's glory.

Just think about it, if he made a tiny universe, well, he's not that great, is he? You know, when we look up, we should look up and go, my

God, what has made you a mindful of him? Our tendency today because of evolution and cultural views is to look up and say, wow,

I wonder what else is out there. And in terms of something being big, who's it big to?

You, me, or God? Yeah, we talked about traveling at light speed just to cross our

Milky Way. But if the Bible's true, one of God's attributes is that he's omnipresent.

He's everywhere at the same time. So how long does it take him to get to the edge of the

Milky Way? How long does it take him to get to the edge of the universe? Doesn't take him any time.

Remember, time is a created entity. It only applies to you and I in this physical universe.

God is beyond the universe and is timeless. It's not big to him. There are no days to him.

Those things apply to us. Well, what can we learn from tonight?

And I'm certainly not ridiculing the idea that people have had experiences. They have, they have real experiences and they can be life -changing.

But listen here, only the creator has the power to save you. Not hypothetical aliens.

I mean, nobody that's claimed to be on board a spaceship has ever brought back any physical evidence.

Nobody took a towel from the bathroom or took something from the coffee table on the ship.

It's happening in the spiritual realm and it is illusory. The Bible says the word,

Jesus, the Alpha, the Omega, the Logos became flesh and made his dwelling among us.

We've seen his glory, the glory of the one and only who came from the father, full of grace and truth.

Aren't we better to put our trust and our understanding on this issue in the one that created everything, the one that made the very laws of physics that govern this universe that we exist in, not unseen aliens who treat us in a dubious manner.

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You see, one of the reasons I've said the secular movement has caught up with what the Bible has said, is just because Christians, we wear a biblical set of glasses to determine what's happened.

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