Against Feminism W/John Lovell from @WarriorPoetSociety

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And so we're working on that right now. But Luke was able to pull together a pretty stinking awesome interview.

So Luke, I'll let you bring everything in. Yeah, thanks man. I'm very excited for today's show. And apparently people in the chat are as well.

A lot of people are excited. So I'll let John introduce himself in a second.

I just want to introduce the show. And so basically John and the Warrior Poet Society have kind of been on my radar for a little while.

And I know a lot of our guys in our church security team are all into John's stuff.

And I heard him on the Sean Ryan show. I think it was November -ish, maybe

December, he was on. It was a really amazing show, four parts. And I was like,

I got to get John on to talk about feminism and homeschooling and just being good biblical godly men and dads and just some really great stuff.

So anyways, I was able to pull some strings and got in contact with him and super grateful for that.

Anyways, so John, welcome to the show, brother. Thanks for having me on, good to be here.

So why don't you just start off telling us about yourself and Warrior Poet Society, and then we'll dig in from there.

Sure, Warrior Poet Society, for those people tuning in who have no idea what we do, we are basically contending in the secular arena in all kinds of areas of life.

You already mentioned homeschooling, masculinity, homesteading, the world of firearms.

We're very, very well known in the protector spaces. And so if you're into guns and being a good protector of people to your left and right, you may want to lean into us more.

Warrior Poet Society, we're doing that stuff. All around me right now is all this tactical gear. I'm about to go teach a introduction to long -range patrol class.

And so I'm like, I got comms and night vision and all the goodies. And so Warrior Poet Society, we're doing fun guy stuff.

Some dudes are listening like, man, that sounds amazing. Yeah, it does. It is amazing. And so Warrior Poets are people who live for a higher purpose, ready to sacrifice in the defense of others.

We love people. We love truth. We defend both. And so, man, there's a whole bunch of stuff we're doing, and it's good to link up with you guys.

Right on, man. So tell our audience that's not familiar with you the reasoning behind the name

Warrior Poet. Yeah, so Warrior Poet, it's not something new.

I mean, you can go way, way back of thousands and thousands of years, there's been ideas of warrior poets, of like I was just in Greece at the battlefields of Thermopylae, and we're walking through some places where the

Peloponnesian War happened, and you have Thucydides, and he's talking warrior poets there. And if you go even further back before that, you have the great

King David of Israel, and he was a warrior and a poet. The Bible's greatest warrior was also the

Bible's greatest worshiper and poet, all in one man that's claimed to be a man after God's own heart, and so warrior and poet.

And so it's an old, old concept in brotherhood. I just own the modern copyright.

Amazing. I just saw someone in the chat that said they came to Christ through one of your early videos, so awesome.

Awesome. So tell us a little bit about your background before you started warrior poets.

You got some experience doing some things? Sure. So I was in special operations, did a bunch of combat tours through that.

I was a businessman. I got a degree in finance from college. I was a foreign missionary for a few years to Central America.

I've been married in my 18th year now, and it's going very well. Out of all the stuff

I just said, most proud of my marriage. It's the hardest thing and by far the most rewarding thing out of all that litany of just different stuff

I've done. I got two boys. We live on a farm in Georgia, and life is good, man.

Praise Jesus. Amen for that. I think you were underselling yourself a little bit.

When you were, say, special operations, you were a ranger, correct? Yeah. Which is not an easy thing to accomplish.

I don't think so. If you guys have it, you should check out, for sure, the Sean Ryan episode.

Actually, it broke up into four parts, I think, where Jon really gets into some pretty intense detail about all that, and it's a really, really great episode.

We're huge Sean Ryan fans here, so very rarely miss an episode and was very excited about that one.

Yeah, man. Jeff, do you want to touch on any of that before we dig in? No, I'm ready to go.

I'd say just let's get rolling. I'm going to talk about specifically— I mean, let's just get into it the most we can in the episode in terms of what you're mainly aiming at,

Jon, when you talk about things like government education, you talk about homeschooling, and you've mentioned homesteading.

I want to take an aim at—let's try the public education. Let's try that first. What are your thoughts on that?

What are you trying to engage with there? I think everyone should get their kids out of government schools immediately.

I like you. If there's no way to do it, then find a way. Go deeply into debt.

Make it absolutely horrible for yourself if you must, but get your kids away from the government immediately or you will lose them forever.

That seems sensationalistic, and I mean it, but I still mean it. The more you look at what's actually happening—

I was just working out at the gym, and a man approached me. Many, many years ago,

I was leading a Bible study. His son had come to the Lord, and I had baptized him. I don't remember it, but it was a very, very long time ago.

Anyway, his kid had fell off, and this father was telling me, I mean nearly tears in his eyes that his son had just kind of disappeared into the world and got hooked on all kinds of stuff, and he says,

I didn't raise him that way. I raised him to be a good Christian kid, and obviously he was in pain, and I wasn't going to press him on it, but I had the thought of like, well, your kid was in government schools all day around peers and being raised with screens and after -school activities.

You barely saw your kids. You didn't really raise them at all, and so that's what's happening with our government schools.

The more we talk about it, the more upset I'll get, but get your kids out of government schools immediately today.

Yeah. One of the things people will know for sure about Apologia Radio since the very beginning is what we try to do in terms of influence in this area of getting

Christians out of the government indoctrination centers, and what was it?

The documentary. Indoctrination, right? Was it indoctrination?

I think that's what it was called. I'll dig it up here, and we were promoting it very early on. He was a former schoolteacher in the public school system for 30 years.

I think you have to always admit failure, and I think a failure on our part is we spoke very strongly against them.

We're like, get your kids out and everything else, but I think we should have spoke more like John here from the very beginning just because we were trying very hard to be very gracious to Christians.

This is government indoctrination. It's not a Christian worldview. We're at the point now where it's like, sound the alarms.

John is right. Sell everything you own. Get your kids out of the government schools, and the issue is that there is no neutrality.

Neutrality is a myth, and the government indoctrination centers are just training these children in an unbelieving worldview in terms of origins, in terms of ethical system, all of that.

And so when you think as a Christian, Jesus says, whoever's not with me is against me, we'll ask the question, is the government school with Christ or against Christ?

There's no middle ground with Jesus. It's against Christ, and so get the kids out. And all of the really just poor argumentation of like, we're sending our children in there to be missionaries to the world.

It's like your children are not called to be missionaries like that at that age. They're going in there to be indoctrinated.

Hours upon hours upon hours upon hours. Far more hours than you could even imagine to disciple them if you put them in that system.

But just what you're saying right there, people don't really have a view of education that states that it's discipleship, and that's the problem.

Yeah, and just one more word. I'll kick it over to John here. I think one of the things too is we have to all admit some ignorance here in terms of like, this is our generation.

This is what we're born into. This all feels natural to us. This is the way the world works. And so we look at a government education system and that at its root has wrought an injustice in terms of theft and coercion in terms of how to pay for all of this.

But when you think about the system itself as anti -Christian, you just go, well,

I guess this is how we do this, right? We just do government education, public education. But you look and you say, well, actually, this is kind of a modern innovation in American history because before that, it was all private schooling,

Christian schooling, and homeschooling. And if you look at the data in terms of intellectual rigor and you look at the data in terms of the ability to read and to write, the literacy rates, all of that were sky high compared to where they are right now.

And so even as a system itself, take out the Christian worldview stuff in terms of does the thing even work?

It doesn't work. We're becoming dumb and we're becoming immoral. And we asked the question, how in the world did we get from PSAs, like literally on public television, against the homosexual in the 50s,

PSAs against communism produced by Disney in the 50s and 60s? What a swing.

It's really great, by the way. Yeah, fantastic. In a generation, you go, how do we get to a place where this is seen as normal and virtuous and good?

And the answer is education. And where's it taking place? It's taking place in the academy. It's taking place through media and it's taking place through government education.

That's where they're being fed this stuff and they adopt the worldview, they believe it, and then they come out and then they vote and they live in this world.

And then we have trash clown world. Yeah, exactly. And so, okay, so we have to, brothers and sisters, listen to John, sell everything you own, get your kids out of school.

I guess that's my cue, isn't it? That's my cue, yes. Some people are listening in and thinking, well, yeah,

I hear you guys are all right, but our government school, our public school, it's really, really good.

And they're thinking, oh, it's not as bad as you guys are making out. You just don't know our school.

Perhaps some people even listening in, you work in that public school arena. And I say, hey, if you're a teacher, you're an administrator and you're a

Christian and you work in that environment, great. I love missionaries everywhere. So I'm not talking about you guys leaving public schools.

I'm talking about getting your kids out. Now, I'm the oldest of the millennial generation.

So I'm in my early, early forties. What I noticed when I graduated from high school, all the kids

I went to high school with, and really my entire generation, raised under the shadow of the steeple, particularly here in the

South, we had a mass exodus from church. Eight out of 10 kids raised in church, once they hit college years, left the church and they weren't coming back.

What in the world happened? Well, what was happening is we were reaping what had been shown in us even two decades ago through the government school system.

I went to government schools and I went to private schools. But what happened with the government schools is there was this basic psyop.

We didn't know what was going on and there weren't all the telltale signs that we see now. Right now the lights have just been flipped on and roaches are scattering.

Now we see just how terrible government schools have actually been. It didn't happen in the last couple years.

It's actually been incubating and growing in darkness and in secret for decades. Now it's reached to such a terrible point of critical mass.

It's like drag shows and gender dysphoria. Now we're talking about chopping off genitalia.

Now we're talking about these crazy things and all these kids are falling off mental anxiety, suicidal ledge.

They're all depressed. They're completely uneducated as Jeff was just saying. It is so, so bad now.

But even if your local public school is a good thing compared to all the others, it would still be if 20 years, the ideology in that environment was like, let's say now it's where the government schools were 20 years ago.

It's still enough to steal the heart of your kid. It's still enough to completely sigh up their brain.

It's what happened to the entire millennial generation that's electing Joe Biden and whoever else.

I despise politics. I don't even know why I'm going there. I'm just saying the millennial generation rejected the values of their parents.

It wasn't outright woke and all the transgender pushes and the homosexuality pushes or anything.

No, no, no. It was something far, far more covert. Some terrible things are happening in government schools.

First thing is the desire for education. The love of learning is immediately crushed out of a kid.

By the time they're six, seven years old, that love of learning is already being crushed. They don't read.

My boys, my 10 -year -old, I guarantee has read more books than 95 % of college graduates.

If you stacked up the books he's read, they would be taller than him. It's a homeschool kid. He's never known any different.

Both of my boys love reading. They love writing. They're interactive and they're wide awake.

I'm just saying, hey, if we don't crush a kid's love of learning, if we don't destroy boyhood by causing these boys to sit still in classrooms for six, seven hours a day when they're supposed to be learning how to interact, blaze new trails.

Hey, boys, go take some risks. Build something. You're bored? Entertain yourselves. What are you interested in?

Let's lean into those interests. Look at what happens when we read. I told my boys from the time they were toddlers, before they could even read,

I'll say, boys, what happens when you can read? My boys would say in unison, they says, the world opens to you.

That was kind of like our mantra. It was my Socratic question and their answer right there.

What happens when you learn how to read? The world opens to you and they fell in love with reading.

Education, our government schools, destroy the love of learning. They destroy boyhood.

And then they fill your kid's head with all kinds of vice, which is coming from their peers.

Everybody is hooked on screens. You're divorced from the family unit and the parents says, you're spending copious amounts of time in that school setting.

Then the after school activities and sports and the ideas and then homework. And then it's filling all their time with everything except what they need most, you guys.

Yeah. They need time with parents. They need time with healthy people, not in these systems.

And I just talked way too long. Let's dialogue. There's so much. I can't monologue so much, but I just got on a soapbox.

So much good there. Preach, preach John. I mean it. No, preach John. So much good. Go ahead. We're like fighting over questions here.

No, he said so much good. This is key what John just brought up in terms of the companions and the peers.

It actually is true that not very long ago before government education, the primary companion of a young person was that child's parents, that child's family.

Of course there was friendships and there was cooperation. You would go even to the local church in town. That's where you got the education from the most educated person there was like the pastor.

And he was training. You had all that. We're not talking about taking kids away from like socialization.

That's just a stupid argument against homeschooling and all the rest. But this idea of the companionship and the influence was primarily the parents.

It was that little sphere where you worked with your dad, you worked with your family's business, you helped, you assisted, you were part of this.

Your primary companion was this system that God created, this sphere, the family. And now we have the primary companions and the most time you're spending with these companions are these young peers.

They come from families that don't even have the same worldview as your family.

And so the influence is coming that way. And someone says, okay, what about the good influence coming from me, my child to those children?

Well, Scripture says, whoever walks with the wise becomes wise, but the companion of fools will suffer harm.

Scripture also says that that bad company corrupts good morals. And so we tend to think, well, no, it's really the other way.

It's like, well, in a certain context in terms of Christian influence and call the repentance and gospel for sure. But in general, the principle and the proverb in Scripture is that it goes the other way.

It's the bad company that corrupts this. And if we believe the Proverbs, if we believe

God's book of wisdom, wisdom from above, how do we live? How do we skillfully live this out? Whoever walks with the wise becomes wise.

You want wise kids? You want a wise family? They got to walk with the wise, right? By the way, that's instruction from a father to a son.

That's exactly right. And the companion of fools will suffer harm. And so all these Christian parents are wondering like, oh, they're raising a

Christian home and they got the hearing of the gospel. They went to youth group on Sunday. It's like, yeah, what was that?

Two hours a week? How many hours did they sit with the ungodly and unbelievers? And just quickly, and I'll kick it over to you.

In terms of worldview and teaching, there is no neutrality.

And the government system is teaching a worldview. And a worldview consists primarily of a metaphysic or ontology, a doctrine of like being, like what is real?

What is the nature of reality? And in that, you're going to get a view of origins, the value of humanity, dignity and value in humanity.

So you have that. You also have an epistemology. How do you know what you know? They certainly are teaching you that in government schools.

How do you know that's true? Because it feels right to me. Why should you cut off your penis? Because I feel like a woman, right? Like that's like this really basic like epistemology going on there.

Like, well, what do you feel like? And it's not a matter of like what is actually true and how do you know what's true?

And then you have a view of, a worldview, a view of ethics and ethical system, ethical commands.

And you better believe that the government schools are teaching that as well. What is right? What is wrong? Don't believe me?

Look at the guy, you know, twerking in the library at your local public school. And so there's just no way around this at this point, brothers and sisters.

And if we're wondering like, why is it so bad? And where are we going to go? I think we need to go to the foundation itself and say what's rotten down here and fix all that.

So there's actually something to build on that can stand. So. Jesus says every disciple when he is fully trained will be like his teacher.

Yeah. So if we're looking at our teachers, if we're looking at our school systems and saying we don't want our children to be like this, then we need to do what

John and others have advised Christians for very long to do. And that's to do everything you can to provide a

Christian education for your children. You said one thing, John, that really resonates with me about the failure of the previous generations to transmit their values successfully to their posterity.

That's huge because there has been a ball dropped along the way here as we've kind of outsourced this education to others.

And in particular, the impact has come on our young men, our boys. You mentioned the mind crushing aspect of the educational system on their potential, on their zeal, on their desire to be boys, but also along with that has come the destruction of their brains in a physical sense through the use of drugs, right?

What do we do with our young men that are aggressive and they want to go out there and get dirty and build things and they get a little too carried away from themselves.

So what's the answer for those boys? Drug them. Give them drugs to destroy their brains and make them compliant little listeners in the classroom.

There's just so many issues that could be touched on here with that. But this is how you weaken a society fundamentally.

You take the mind of the youth and in particular, you take the leadership of young men out because you've torn them from godly masculinity, that example of the father in the home, and then you've made them compliant little servants and slaves and they are much, much easier to control in that setting.

And fast forward, here's how you get a nation on its knees, essentially, before the powers of the world.

John, I'll let you respond to that in a second. I was just curious. Have you, so you guys have always homeschooled, is that correct?

From the time your kids were? Just curious, what changed your perspective on that?

I'm assuming it changed at some point. And I was wondering if it was children of Caesar or if it was

Voti, because I know you mentioned that in Sean Ryan. Just curious. No, because I mean, my oldest is about to be 12.

And so we'd been on the homeschool journey for years before I quoted Voti of like,

I guess it happened. There was a few clues. I would never have considered homeschool, never would have even dreamed of that.

I was kind of in the default setting that everybody else. However, on the mission field, I lived with 30 college age students for nine months at a time.

I did this for years. And I was their live -in Bible teacher and all the ologies and all the things.

And so I did that for a few years and then later would come back as a guest professor for years.

What I noticed in this array of 30 different college age students from all over the place and most from a government school background, but also from private school and homeschool is

I noticed year after year, the homeschool kids were wildly more educated than the government school kids.

It was not even close. And so my wife and I didn't even have children at this time. We're just educating these kids, but we got a glimpse of what it looks like.

The end result, it looked like the government school systems from a worldview perspective, they had no concise or I mean, concisive worldview.

It was wild. They were bereft of any real education at all. And even their ability to think was largely destroyed.

What became more alarming to me is as I did this for eight years straight, year after year, each class became even less able to follow instructions and I had to dumb down my class.

And so that was shocking. And then the homeschool students, say out of 30, there would be three or four homeschool kids.

Head and shoulder, I cannot impress upon you what the humongous divide was. Now, I thought private schools would actually be head and shoulders above everyone.

Really? The private schools blended into the government schools, which was upsetting to me, and I didn't understand it.

Now, in retrospect, I recognize a lot of private schools teach a government school curriculum and they just add a code of conduct in a chapel.

That's not all private schools. I think there are some good ones out there. However, most private schools, from my experience, it looks like they're just government school curriculum and then they add a chapel.

I have one more big thing and it has to do with when the government schools system tried to dope up my oldest son, that would be really the thing that led us into homeschool.

And I'll get into that, but I wanted to give any of you guys a chance to respond to what I just said. No, I wanna hear that. I wanna hear that story, yeah.

When I was in school, I was a terrible student. I ended up getting in a lot of trouble. I was a hellion and a half.

I got sent away to boarding school at 15. There, somebody who sat my parents down and let them know that, hey, your son's a troublemaker.

And that was actually true for me, but they prescribed Ritalin because I have an attention deficit disorder.

So it's not my fault. It's a disorder. I didn't really like the way that, I didn't like the idea that I was not able to think or function without a pill.

That was upsetting to me. I couldn't articulate it very well at the time, but I just was taking them for a few weeks and then

I stopped. I'm like, no, I don't want the crutch. Anyway, fast forward when I'm raising my sons,

I had my oldest in speech therapy. So this is, I mean, right about the time of kindergarten, almost kindergarten.

And we're about to plug them into the system like all the other kids. This speech therapist is dealing with them with, hey, he's having a hard time with this and this.

And they're trying to kind of box him into this very clinical classroom setting.

And my wiggly boy, I mean, he's all over the place. He's having fun. And, you know, he's wanting to interact.

And I mean, he's just a little tiny guy and just not very good at talking yet because he's super young.

Well, they sat us down in this extremely austere meeting. Everybody was like, it was a whole big crowd of these just different social workers.

And my wife was terrified and they go through all these complexes and this difficulty and they are plotting this special track that he's going to be on.

And they recommend prescribing a medication so that he's able to sit more still. And so my wife is reeling and I'm kind of looking at all this stuff, cutting through the chase.

And I'm like, so really what I hear you saying is he's having a hard time pronouncing the letter

R. Is that it? Is that it's the letter R? I think he'll grow out of it.

How about we're done here, baby? And she was just so relieved, but we got up and we're like, we're not doing that again. And we just allowed our son to be a little boy.

To interact, play out in the woods. He was a little five -year -old interacting with the world and making friends and playing soccer and climbing trees and reading books.

And we'd all sit down as a family and I'm a huge fan of, hey, I think dads should read to their sons every night.

Or daughters, of course. And you got to have some good chapter book, an adventure story. You got to do the voices.

Hey, don't wimp out, you sissy. Do the voices like a man. Every character gets his own voice and mom is on sound effects.

So we read ever since my kids, I mean, two years old, we've been reading to them.

And yeah, that's been a decade now. We've read quite a few books. And so they love reading.

They love it. And we just kind of foster that and we didn't kill it. And so that's really, educating your own kids means you actually get to raise your own children.

It's wonderful. And you're trying to, there is some propaganda that seeks to isolate you from your kids so that the government can have them.

And the idea is they won't be socialized, which is such a stupid joke. That is such a stupid objection.

Now, it's not that you're stupid for making it. I get it because we had the same thing.

But looking back, I'm like, ah, that's just such a non -issue. If you're a socially awkward parent, then you might make a socially awkward kid.

But if you're not socially awkward, you're not going to make a socially awkward kid. You're raising them to be more like you.

That's who they're around. You're their teacher. And so it's really a nothing burger. But you get to raise your own kids and they get to be able to see the world through your eyes and you really raise them.

And it's so much easier than you could have imagined. We have a couple, two real powerful hours of homeschool a day.

Maybe three. And then we're off doing all kinds of stuff. We do farm chores and then we go play and we're interacting.

And so going through life with us and it is such a joy and it's so much easier than people think.

Man, in regards to the socially awkward comment, I mean,

I was raised, my mom's a teacher. My wife was actually a kindergarten teacher.

I had the same perspective. We call them homeschool woodpeckers, like the oddball homeschool kids.

We know a few. And I knew some growing up and that was the same perspective I had. I was like, oh, these kids just don't know how to interact socially.

But I'll tell you, one of the proudest moments I've had as a dad was just this last fall. We were in Germany for an abortion now.

And after one of the talks, you know how this is, but you're getting mobbed by people.

They're coming up asking you questions. And I had my 13 -year -old daughter with me. She's my oldest. And for a second,

I was like, where's Evie? I started to look around like, where is she? I want to make sure she's okay. And I turned around and she's literally surrounded by all these young German moms peppering her with questions about homeschooling.

And she's just holding court with them. And they're all adult women asking her questions. She's 13. She's answering all the questions.

That was one of my proudest moments as a dad. I was like, okay, that's why homeschooling is awesome right there because there's no social awkwardness going on there.

Yeah. And let's be honest, if you went to government schools, you know, there was about maybe 2%, 3 % weird kid ratio.

Like, you know, there's the weird, you know, anti -social, awkward, you know, kids and teenagers.

There's a reason for the stereotypes. Exactly. I mean, there's, wait, let's be honest. It is a fallen world. There's weird people here. Okay. And sometimes they're in homeschool.

Sometimes they're in private school. Sometimes they're in government school. But I would say now, it's stacked far against government schools in terms of a

Christian standard. The weird factor is probably like 95 % weird in the government schools in terms of behavior, wrong character, you know, speech, you know, all that stuff.

and yeah, so time -wise, I want to make sure we get this right to give Jon some more time to talk about feminism. That's where I was going to go next.

Yeah, that's a great transition. So I know you talked about it on Sean's show, like, and I think there, these two topics are obviously go hand in hand, you know, feminism's coming through the home, there are through the government schools, and now it's infiltrating the church.

And so I just wanted to hear you just preach on that for a minute, go off on that. And we can kind of interact.

Yeah. Why is feminism awful? I think it is destroying women by holding out a false ideal to shoot for so that you spend your youth utterly after vain ambitions that leave you completely hollow.

It also destroys the family unit as well. It destroys men. It is a wrecking ball societally and to the family.

Well, Jon, that first point you made there, I think, is going to be critical because it's aiming at the people it's supposed to be serving, the women.

Right. In terms of, it's, well, it's destroying them in terms of what really is, is right for them before God, where there's real satisfaction, real wholeness, real joy.

So, Jon, what do you mean by that in terms of feminism hurting the women? I think you should expand on that because I think that's a good thing to take aim at because it pretends to be doing the opposite.

My wife was caught up in this stuff. My wife was just, she was on her way to be a boss, babe.

She didn't need a man and she was strong and independent. And she was, yeah.

And school and leading all these clubs and working a job and getting a career.

And there's nothing wrong with those things. But what my wife found out is though she had these aspirations that were kind of handed off to her as the noble pursuits that women should aspire to.

Don't sell out and give up on your dreams and just be a, be a mom. Or a wife, you know, and then that, that's kind of the propaganda.

It's almost like women would look down on you if you had such lowly expectations of yourself to just be a mom.

Really? And so it is swept up in the whole ether of society to sneer that any woman that would have that aspiration to be a wife and a mother.

When the problem is, is once you hit about 30, 34 years old, that's all you'll actually want to do.

And you're going to be scrambling to find a husband, somebody who will settle down and then pop out kids as fast as you can.

Cause you realize you have been working for the man doing your nine to five. And you found that climbing that corporate ladder was absolutely hollow.

You spent your best years and you didn't give them to a man who would love you unconditionally till death do you part and raising kids.

Instead you went to a boss, a job, and you work to beat and you're realizing, no, it's actually far, far more fulfilling to have a family.

You know, you notice that that's think ahead of on your deathbed many, many years, but you won't care about the job.

You'll just want to be surrounded by a bunch of grandkids and you'll want, you know, your old arthritic hand wrapped in the hand of your husband.

Who's got real old beside you. And y 'all have seen the world and you made some memories and it's been a really sweet ride, but it ended up being all along that you women were utterly lied to.

Feminism is a fool's gold. The most important thing you could possibly do is raise a family, love a husband.

And there is just such riches in that. I work a job. I have a really good job.

I love my job. Warrior poet society is a really good deal. But the problem is, is even when

I'm working my job, as good as it is, I just want to be home with my family all the time. So I'm not saying something for a woman that, that isn't different than me.

I go work and I make a living and I'm, I'm having impact around the world. And so I am so grateful to God that I have my day job.

That's great. But I, I want to be home all the time with my family.

That's where the greatest joy comes from here on this earth.

It's not, it's not bank account. It's certainly not. I want to be able to pay my bills, you know, but after that,

I just want to be with the people I love most. I want to raise my sons and I want to slow dance with my wife through the years.

That was amazing. Good stuff. We're going to cut that out. But that's one of the greatest, one of the greatest Christian ads for women and mothers.

It's so true though, your point, Jeff, like every way that our society claims to love women is actually hating women.

Yeah. You know, like objectify them, turn them into a commodity, you know, abort half a million little women per year.

Just all the ways that we claim that we are working to help a certain people, like down to the point of like, let's erase the very concept of womanhood, but we're loving women as we do that.

J .C. Ryle's book, Holiness. If you haven't read it, I'm reading it right now. Actually, funny you brought that up.

Once a year, read it once a year, J .C. Ryle, holiness. Trust me, it'll kick your teeth in like you need every single year.

He says, in the beginning of that book, he's talking about sin. He says, sin never comes to you in its truest color saying,

I'm your deadly enemy. I want to ruin you in hell forever. Sin comes to you like Judas with a kiss.

And, and so much of this, uh, the, the feminism and the abortion rights and all of that.

It's like Judas with a kiss, right? It's, it's the pretense of, I care about you. I care about the woman.

And we're going to, so we're going to erase half a million women a year because we care about women.

Yeah. Or we care about women. And so we're going to take away this, this God ordained, beautiful design of the woman in terms of like a curse.

Yeah. Treat it like a curse. Like, you know, just the whole idea of like, Oh, you just want to be a mom, just a mom, just raising the next generation's dragon slayers and the next generation's heroes and, and, and when warriors and, um, just a mom, that's just, it's insanity.

Just a mom. Uh, one of the most noble callings in the history of humanity, just a mom, just making and raising immortal souls that will never die.

Just a mom. Um, yeah, it's, it's, it's wild. And let's be honest, I think, you know, always say like, well, where do we need to be corrected?

Where should we get fixed? I think most of us, if you've, you've been raised in this generation, you know, 70s, 80s, 90s kids, you know, now here we are, you're raised with the media influence, the indoctrination, the academic influence, and all of that.

It's just in the culture. And we have to admit as Christians, many of us have thought exactly that way.

We thought just like that. Like it's just a mom. It's just a wife. It's just, it's just a homemaker. And, um, it's absolute fraud and it's a fiction and we need to put it under Jesus' feet as quickly as possible.

So, so, so John, then just to kind of tag off that. So how has feminism or how is feminism affecting the church and, and as Christian men who love

God and love our wives and our daughters, like how do we combat that then? So, um, one thing, a woman is incredibly ambitious now, and, uh, there is a, there's an effect that it's had on men as well as women are praised and men are really, uh, deflated and defeated.

Uh, there's been a role reversal and this happens in a lot of marriages. It's certainly happening in our churches as well as women are taking the helm of authority and men are just sitting back, not wanting to offend anyone, uh, and, just letting it happen.

It's the sin of Adam, passivity, uh, and, and letting our women take the reins.

Uh, it is a sign of judgment on a people in the Bible when a woman is ruling over them.

Say that again. I think of the book. Yeah. Say that again, Isaiah, because there's a lot of Christians that don't, don't actually know that or believe it in the

Bible. Females ruling over a people is a sign of judgment.

Yep. It literally, it, that's literally a quote from the Bible, but you can just look at the book of judges as well.

Uh, my favorite is Deborah. She was the best of the judges. She was an amazing. And so I want to take nothing from Deborah, Deborah, you crushed it.

Way to go. You were amazing. Uh, but the whole idea of it is, is God looked across Israel and says, you know, there's not a single man among you that's worth his salt.

I'll have this gal do it. And she did a fantastic job. So I'm not taking anything from her, but it was a sign of judgment.

It was an indictment against, uh, all Israel that there weren't any worthy men. That's right.

Yep. Very true. Amen. Men are supposed to lead your soup. You're built to lead and we're not.

And so instead we're passively drifting into the background and women are running everything.

And that is to their detriment as well as ours. Did you guys see the recent, uh, Oh, the kerfuffle between, um,

Ocasio, what did Cortez and, um, Oh, where they're arguing in the green. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, it's like the most, it's like a schoolyard.

Okay. I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to dig it up. Continue the conversation. We got to play the clip for everybody. but I think that's an incredible example of exactly what we're talking about.

Oh, baby girl, the way they are speaking. Yeah. So juvenile. Yeah. So petty. Like they're having a fight at their lockers or something.

This is like on the floor. It was on the Senate floor, house floor or somewhere. They were debating. if I'd have known we were going to go here,

I would have, I would have pulled it up. But to John's point, I mean, Isaiah chapter three, uh, verse 12, my people, infants are their oppressors and women rule over them.

Like, I mean, that's, that's a scripture right there. I mean, we're talking about, uh, infants and women.

And this also applies to the political sphere as well. It's not just in the home. It's not just in the church.

It's in the public square. Like this is a sign of judgment. It is. Absolutely.

And it's not that women aren't capable. Uh, like Deborah showed herself to be a really, really capable leader.

Uh, it's that, uh, yeah, the indictment is really against the men. Where are you? Stand up.

Yeah. We're supposed to be leading. Jesus could have chosen anyone. He wanted to be his key disciples and apostles.

He chose 12 dudes, dudes, uh, you know, and that that's, who's going to carry the torch.

That is a very uneven and sexist distribution. Where are all the way it should be six and six.

Why isn't it? Uh, well, Jesus shares 12 dudes to be the foundation of his church.

If he wanted to get some women in there, they were around. There were really qualified candidates. By the way, he chose men to lead.

He chose Adam to lead. He chose men to lead their families. And we lead with this sacrificial and servant leadership as Jesus, recognizing that all authority on heaven and earth had been given to him.

He took out his outer garment tighter on his waist, knelt down and washed it as disciples feet. So if any women are shaking their fists at the heaven right now, saying, how dare you suggest that men should actually lead?

Understand the, the call for men to lead is, is in a sacrificial servant way.

Meaning I'm going to put my wife up on a pedestal in a door, her and cherish her, but the buck stops with me.

And so she actually likes it that way. She was built to be the helper, not the leader.

We make decisions together. Uh, we're going at it shoulder to shoulder and a complimentary and, uh, aspect, but the buck does stop with me.

I am the leader. She's not. Excellent. That's a great point too. Cause if you want to be the man, if you want to be the head, then absorb this concept, you die first, you die first.

Yep. And your life should be harder than your wife's. Yes. You are built strong for a reason.

Use your strength to make your wife's life easier than your own. And then don't remind her of it.

Love keeps no record of wrongs. You have like, nope, long suffer, brother. That is what you're built to be a dude.

Carry heavy weights, you know, uh, support, cherish, adore your wife and wives, man, if you would, if you would respect your husbands and allow them to actually lead without nagging and just hen pecking, uh, one is you would see your husband, uh, just have a brand new wave of rebirth, wash over him.

If you respected him and yeah, you had something to say, and you could have said, Hey, we should have done, uh, whatever.

And actually I was right. And why don't we do such a, if you would just say, Roger that.

Uh, don't say Roger that girls don't say that. He just said, uh, okay, I'll follow you. And you jump on it and you're excited to, and you showed him that respect to actually trust his leadership and not question him to death and peck him to death on this stuff.

I mean, he would be ready to assault a castle with a dragon for you. Watch what happens if you actually submitted to him.

There you go, John. I think that's, that's going to get you the moon. He's going to get you the moon. He'll do everything. You would inspire romance from him.

Like you have never seen before. Yes. Yes. That's powerful. And it's very practical advice for, for, for women, wives in a relationship,

Christian women, Christian mothers, wives with a Christian husband, wives will typically complain like he doesn't spiritually lead me.

He's not doing, he's not leading like he ought to sort of a thing. And it's like, okay, well we could probably talk to him about that. Let's challenge him where he's repent.

Let's work through those things. But let's ask the question about where are you sitting as a wife in terms of respecting him? Because it may be the case, and this has been a pastor for a long time.

This has been the case I've seen so many times is when a Christian wife does, is constantly, like John says, nagging, criticizing, complaining about his, his even small attempts to lead in some way, things that aren't sinful.

It's just a decision he's making. It's not sinful. You know, it's, I don't think we should go that way. And so it's always pecking and nagging and warring against his attempt to leadership.

What happens is that man will get ultimately deflated and he'll feel like, well, she doesn't want me to lead. Why try?

Now that's of course a failure on his part in terms of stop being a loser, be a courageous man, you know, be the man, be the leader you're supposed to be.

But he may get deflated and just get knocked down to the point where he's like, she doesn't even like when I lead. She doesn't really want me to lead.

And so he gives up on leading or even attempting to lead because as a Christian woman, you are constantly complaining about his shortcomings rather than giving him the constant confidence.

I will trust you. We're going to trust God with this. I will follow you. And yes, there's going to be times where he does need correction.

You're his help meat. Bring him the word of God, do it graciously and with respect. But if you are not giving respect to your husband, he's going to feel like you don't want him to be the husband.

You don't want him to be the man. And so eventually you're going to start seeing him peel back from his responsibilities because he doesn't think you want him to have those responsibilities in turn grows more bitter in the long run because she has to step up now.

Yes. And do more. So it's, it's, it's this wheel two wheels going to be coming together. They're going opposite directions because of failures, of course, on both parts.

So what we ought to do in marriage is say, I need to repent over my failures and my duties. You repent over your failures and your duties.

Let's just obey God. And let's allow that obedience to become faith. Let's allow that obedience to become life.

And you start to roll together in that way. And that's big. That's very, very big. So just quickly, this may not even be the whole clip, but it just give you a little taste.

So here's what happens when you don't do that. Women in leadership. Members seek recognition. Chair recognizes

Ms. Green. I'd like to know if any of the Democrats on this committee are employing a judge or Sean's daughter.

Please tell me what that has to do with Mary Garland. Is she a porn star? Oh, Goldman. That's right.

He's advising. Okay. Do you, do you know what we're here for?

You know, we're here. I don't think you know what you're here for. Well, you don't want to talking about,

I guess. I think your fake eyelashes are messing up. Order. Mr.

Chairman. Please. There's a point of order.

We have a point of order. Mr. Lynch, state your point. Mr. Chairman, I, I would just like to ask the parliamentarian.

If your conduct here and raising money in connection with this hearing, uh, is referable to the ethics committee within this hearing is a motion in order to refer your conduct, uh, and, and your abusive.

It's not a point of order. I do have a point of order. And I would like to move to, to take down Ms. Green's words.

That is absolutely unacceptable. How dare you? uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh,

Maybe we are going to move and we're going to take your words down.

Second at motion, it gets worse. It's like 10 minutes. It gets worse. It's the result of it.

It's a cavity. I like the, I like this, this beautiful symbol and display where it goes off the rails in terms of like,

And then the men go, can we talk about the order of like, you're trying to get back. Let's get back to the issue. Let's think about this logically.

Let's, let's be professional. And it's like, oh girl, baby girl, it gets worse. You got to find that clip guys.

I think it's about 10 minutes long. It just gets completely off the rails. And so anyway, I thought it was a good symbol.

Well, I know you have limited time here, brother. I was just going to leave this, this thought here.

And this is something, this conversation we're having, I've actually been having quite a bit the last couple of weeks. So it's very fresh in my mind, but I think, you know, as Christian dads,

I think a lot of dads are kind of short sighted just in the overall view of life and in our perspective and raising our kids up.

And what I mean by that is we're a lot, a lot of dads are really good at being providers and maybe even protectors, right?

But then when it comes to being priests and prophets, we're not, we're, we're failing miserably at that. And I think a lot of this, cause we're, we're so just narrowly focused on what's in front of us, making sure, you know, there's food on the table, the bills are paid, working a lot of hours, but then we're not pouring into our kids for the future.

And like, we want to think bigger than just what's right in front of us. Right? So, you know, Colossians is clear that Christ came to reconcile all things to himself, right?

In the Garden of Eden, we're given the dominion mandate to take dominion over the earth.

And in, in, in doing so that involves us raising up our children and our boys to be godly men, to go into the next generation and do that.

And I think we're just really short sighted and not thinking that far ahead. And I think that's a major reason why our kids are failing that are being raised in the church.

I mean, not, not ours that are homeschooled, but they're being raised in the church and then we're just throwing them to the wolves and we're not thinking big picture.

We're not thinking ahead of what's right in front of us. So anyways, that was kind of the thought I wanted to hear your, your take on that.

Yeah, I think you're right. There's so many opportunities if you're actually just present with your family to be able to lead.

If you're, if you're gone all the time and then when you get home, you just fall into your screens. Yeah. It's easy to just be a protector provider to do the very, very baseline minimum.

But man, if just like if you're doing life with them and you're being intentional and you want to spend time with them, then there's all these opportunities of like,

Hey boys, we're going to church this Sunday and this is how a man worships. See this, this is how we worship.

Now I'm doing chores. This is how a man works. Are we done yet? Nope, we're not. We're going to work hard.

We're going to sweat and then we're going to play hard. This is how a man loves his wife.

This is how a man contends with lies. This is how a man interacts with his neighbors and solves conflict.

And you have like, there's so many opportunities to lead. I suppose if you're following Jesus and you are not a passive man, you can't help but lead.

It's not like I get up in the morning, like I'm going to lead now of like, no, I'm just, I'm just contending in all these different areas as a man after Jesus.

And I invite my family to follow after me, follow my lead. We're doing a thing here. We're on this grand illustrious mission following Jesus and that has cultural implications and implications here and at home.

And then I got to make a job and then we got elections and all this stuff and all the politics and vain philosophies which seek to take us captive and let's deal with all this.

So did that answer them? Yeah, no, that was great. I appreciate that. That was really good.

Absolutely. Yes. All right. So go ahead, John. I did have something just to return a few minutes ago, we were talking about nagging and I find it prudent to unpack what nagging is.

I find this is one of those terms where men and women talk past each other. I've noticed that women seldom think that they're ever guilty of nagging or that it's not a really big deal.

Nagging is something that is really seemingly innocent when you're doing it. You don't feel like you're doing it, but it's stealing the heart of a man.

And as you were saying just a moment ago, Jeff, of like, hey, that our own junk is our own junk.

And so we're not abdicating responsibility for being passive and just melding into our sofas like we're permanent fixtures within it of like, no, we need to be active and lead and strong.

And our junk is our own junk. But if you want to help us lead really, truly lead, one of the greatest hindrances to men leading is being hand -pecked by the wife.

It is nagging. Nagging is when you either ask a question or you make a statement that's similar in quality and you do it repetitiously.

Hey, are you going to cut the grass of like, hey, we'd really like you to cut the grass. Well, we'd have people over, but our grass is such of like, hey, it's just what it can be.

Anything under the sun that you are hitting him up with multiple statements or eye rolls or you're punishing them in any way.

But it's that repetition. Solomon, the Bible's wisest man, said it's better to live on the corner of a roof than inside the house with a wife.

This is a man who had a palace and he would rather live on the roof than with a nagging wife.

Nagging wife is that bad. It'd be better to be homeless and exposed to the elements than sit under nagging.

Samson, the strongest man in the Bible, was nagged by Delilah and the Bible says he despaired of life.

He wanted to die. He wanted to die. Get me out of here, bro. If the wisest man and strongest man was affected by nagging that much, your husband doesn't have a chance.

So, man, it's very, very difficult. So don't nag him and let him lead and celebrate any type of leading that he does and don't second guess.

I'm like, well, don't you think we should have done X, Y, Z of like, no, no, no. It's not about being right or doing it perfect.

It's just about letting him lead and you follow. It doesn't have to be the best idea. Some women think that they want their husbands to lead, but the moment that he starts, there's the second guessing.

There's the interrogation that he feels. There's the I don't want to do that. And then there's the emotional kind of warfare that goes,

I'm going to do just throws up his hands. I'm like, oh, whatever you do it, whatever you want to do. I'm fine with it. Sky's yellow.

Sure. It's yellow. Whatever you say. I just don't want to fight about it. And so guys will just give up the ghost.

If my wife wanted to outlast me emotionally, she could do it. I think she could dominate me in that respect.

And I would just drift into a shadow of the man I was supposed to be. And that sounds sensationalistic, but I just know my wife has just a lot of more emotional energy than I do.

Especially after I've spent a full day at the office and I'm dragging myself across the curb. I'm coming in my house.

I want some peace and quiet. And she is charged up. She's got all of her words for the day. She's rest.

She saved them all for me. She's had no adult interaction. She's going to pour it out a lot on me. She could outlast me if she wanted to, but she's a godly woman who submits.

She chooses to as a service to the Lord and to me. And she's found her life is wildly better once she started doing it.

That was a great point to end on. John, where's everyone go to get more from you? WarriorPoetSociety .com.

Thanks, man. I appreciate the plug. Of course. Thank you, John, for spending time with us today. This was awesome. Yeah. It was really good.

I had a great time too. Thanks, guys. We got to do it again, brother. This is great. Sounds good. All right. Bless you, man. Good talking to you.

Bless you. Cheers. All right, everybody. Hey, that was awesome, right? I think what was so great about that is moving from just the theological propositions and this is what's true is that John's unpacking what this would look like and how it does damage and practically where the pain points are in all of these discussions.

So I thought that was great. I think a lot of guys especially are hungry for that. Yeah. Just how does this look?

Thanks. Yeah. Absolutely. Well, I'd love to be able to link up with you guys in the flesh someday. Yeah. So if I can do anything for you, please shout.

I'll be in your corner as a friend and follower. Right on.

Awesome, man. Thanks for all you guys do. All right. Thank you, John. All right. To our audience that's still live watching right now. I want to say thank you guys for hanging.

Hey, make sure you share the episode today, guys. This is a good one, a really important one, and I think one that could be transformative for the church in many, many, many ways.

I think it'll bless our wives too. We covered a lot today. That was really helpful today. So just quickly before we get to the super chats, brothers and sisters, we got to do better.

We just got to do better. I mean, we got to think more critically than the world. We got to have a sharper worldview, be more rigorous in our thinking than the world.

It's like waiting for John to get all done. It's interesting. Someone pops in the feed here live, and I'm not sure if you guys saw it.

Where'd it go here? Where'd it go? Where'd it go? Something about a stop. What'd she say?

Stop glorifying alcohol, cigars, and tattoos or something like that.

Did someone get a rate? I don't know. I just saw a minute ago. Yeah, it was early on. I saw that. Oh, there you go. Stop glorifying smoking cigars.

Stop glorifying tattoos and body piercing. Okay. I'm not sure when we've done shows glorifying that, but okay.

What's her name here? Melissa, Beauty for Ashes, Isaiah 61. That's a pretty long handle. I'll bite.

When we have a principle or we have a methodology of how we approach the world, if we have a piety that actually ends up making

God look like he's sinning, I think it's time for us to examine our piety.

And someone says, stop glorifying alcohol. Okay. I'll bite. Deuteronomy chapter 14.

These are the words of God. In verse 22, you shall tithe all the yield of your seed that comes from the field year by year and before the

Lord your God in the place that he will choose to make his name dwell there. You shall eat the tithe of your grain, of your wine, and of your oil and the firstborn of your herd and flock that you may learn to fear the

Lord your God always. And if the way is too long for you so that you're not able to carry the tithe, right?

The tithe, we're talking the tithe. We've got the wine. We've got all this stuff. If it's too far for you and you can't carry it when the Lord your

God blesses you because the place is too far from you, which the Lord your God chooses to set his name there, then you shall turn it into money, all right?

And bind up the money in your hand and go to the place that the Lord your God chooses and spend the money for whatever you desire, oxen or sheep or wine or strong drink.

These are the words of God. Whatever your appetite craves and you shall eat there before the Lord your God and rejoice you and your household and you shall not neglect the

Levite who is within your town. So here we have from the very law of God, these are the words of God. I'll say it again. These are the words of God.

Here is God telling people, look, we're going to have this big celebration, this big festival. I'm going to have a place that I want you to go to and there's where I want you to celebrate and do all of this.

And you can bring your stuff, right? Bring your wine, your tithe, your grain, all this stuff, bring it.

But if it's too much to carry, then go ahead and sell your wine, all right? By the way, that was not

Welch's grape juice, not a thing. That's not what you don't, in this day with no refrigeration and all that stuff, to have grape juice last, you're talking about poisoning people, okay?

It was wine. It was alcoholic wine. It made the heart merry. Grape juice don't make no hearts merry except three -year -olds at Chick -fil -A.

Welch isn't a Hebrew name? Yeah, right. So they were drinking wine and it made their heart merry and God says, sell your wine and go to the place

I'm telling you to celebrate there. And look, if you can't carry it, turn it into money. So sell your wine and engage in like liquor sales and turn it into cash so you can carry it.

And then when you get to the place of this big celebration, when you get there, buy whatever your heart desires.

Buy wine or even strong drink. That's alcohol. And so again, brothers and sisters, we've got to think more critically as Christians.

Stop adopting tradition, man -made traditions that end up making God look like he's sinning. So when you say to somebody like, you know, stop glorifying alcohol.

First of all, I don't glorify alcohol. I want to talk about alcohol in the way the Bible does. Abuse of alcohol is drunkenness.

It's a sin. You'll go to hell for that. You need Christ to forgive you that sin of drunkenness. But however, again, if you have a standard of piety that makes

God look like a sinner, you should abandon your standard of piety because anything that makes God looks like he's sinning is something you should abandon.

Because if you say like, you stop glorifying alcohol, I'm going to say, kind of looks like God's speaking highly about alcohol here.

I mean, he's telling people to literally buy whatever your heart desires, even if it means it's strong drink for this big moment of feasting and celebration.

Is God glorifying alcohol there? He's speaking pretty highly of it. He's encouraging people to drink it. And that might cause some independent, fundamental, separated

Baptists to get goosebumps right now. Right? But look, we want to have an impact with this program to say like, all of us need correction.

All of us need fixing. We're all being sanctified. None of us is finished yet. We're all a work in progress. But when you see Christians talking like that, it needs to be confronted.

Okay? It just needs to be confronted. And what I want to say to this woman, what was her name again? What was her name?

Melissa, Beauty for Ashes. Here's my recommendation. Go to the scriptures and study what the scriptures say about these sorts of things that God has made for his glory and for pleasure and those sorts of things.

The balance that scripture has in it, make sure you see the scripture speaks about drunkenness as an evil sin, but also speaks very highly of wine and strong drink.

And by the way, Jesus' first miracle at a wedding was wine that gave people a buzz.

And that's precisely what surprised them is that the stronger alcohol was coming out later.

And that's really crazy. And that's Jesus, God incarnate's first miracle. So you need to study all of that.

And then my recommendation for you, Melissa, Beauty for Ashes, Isaiah 61, is just this. I think you should go and get a

Cuban cigar and smoke it to the glory of God and to enjoy what he's made. And I would highly recommend just a smidge, just a smidge of like a

Buffalo Trace whiskey, neat. Don't corrupt it with water or ice cubes like this guy will do.

Don't do that sort of a thing. Just give it a try.

Just get a pour of a good Buffalo Trace, maybe some Elijah Craig. If you want to go crazy, get some pappies, but that'll cost you an arm and a leg.

But do that. Have a cigar to the glory of God and just a little swig of whiskey and then just praise

God for his goodness and all the blessings. So how does it feel to be thrown under the bus, corrupting your

Scotch and your - I was going to say that Jeff's favorite whiskey is about a $35 bottle of whiskey.

You can do much better than Buffalo Trace or even Elijah Craig, which are good. They're very good.

But you can do much better than that. Yeah, you can. Okay, so just quickly too, you guys all notice our patches.

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We're about to just do a little bit more discussion in the after show. We're going to head over there in about five more minutes.

So head over there as soon as you can. Don't forget, everybody, we need your prayers and support for everything going on right now with End Abortion Now.

There's a lot, a lot, a lot going on. It's about to get more bloody, more brutal than ever before with the ballot measures happening across the country.

We need you to stand with us. We need your church to be ready to go save lives. The way things are looking right now, it's going to get far worse before it gets better.

There's a lot happening right now to increase after Roe, this Holocaust, and it looks like in many places they're going to be very, very, very successful.

And so go to EndAbortionNow .com. Start getting the free training, all the free resources. We want nothing from your church.

We just want to equip you to go save lives at the abortion mills, which it looks like in many places will be more active than ever before.

The numbers are going to be higher than ever before if these ballot measures go through across the country. Also, we need your, of course, prayers and financial support to accomplish this mission that we're doing, to continue to work to get bills of equal protection and abolition in across the entire country.

And so you can go to EndAbortionNow .com to get the free training and resources for your church to go save lives. And you can go there to give, and please give, and please give generously because we need you to stand with us.

The fight really, in many ways, is only just starting in this Holocaust. Don't let anyone delude you or deceive you into thinking that because Roe versus Wade is gone that somehow we're at the end of this thing.

We're at, I think, in many ways, the beginning of the faithfulness portion because of the prophetic ministry of the church is coming against it now with the consistency.

But we're in real, real trouble across the country right now with these ballot measures. It's serious.

It's very serious. So please go give. Yeah, I was just going to say, it looks like we might be adding two more states.

I don't want to mention them yet until I know for sure, but that put us at 20, I believe, going into 25.

So, praise the Lord for that. States with bills of abolition because of your support. Yeah. Because of your support.

They're happening because you've given and you've prayed. And we're doing this together. This is the work of the church. We need you. EndAbortionNow .com.