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Welcome to another installment of Fighting for the Faith. My name is Chris Rosebro. I'm your servant in Jesus Christ.

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This is the channel that compares what people are saying in the name of God to the Word of God.

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Alright, so if you've watched the Ron Carpenter episode, then you are aware that Ron Carpenter teaches that we pre -existed, and he's a full -blown

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Gnostic and makes a distinction between the Anointing and Jesus the Anointed One.

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And yeah, the last installment of Fighting for the Faith, let's just say it was horrifying.

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Well, I hate to say it, but T .D. Jakes teaches something similar. So before we get started, let's go ahead and like the video, subscribe down below, don't forget to ring the bell.

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By the way, doing all those things does give you an edge when we play Prophecy Bingo, so it behooves you to do that.

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So today we're heading over to the Potter's house. Again, we're heading back there, and we're gonna be listening to, well,

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T .D. Jakes, and he's gonna be saying some stuff that's just like insane and bad.

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And in fact, let me let me do this. I'm gonna, I gotta turn my desktop on.

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There we go. And let's get my screen. And before we do that, I would like to remind you of a biblical text, a prophecy from the

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Apostle Paul. Actually, it's not really much of a prophecy, but consider what he writes to young pastor

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Timothy in 2nd Timothy chapter 3. We'll start at verse 12.

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Indeed, all who desire to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted, while evil people and imposters will go on from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived.

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And before we get started with this segment from T .D.

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Jakes, I think it's important to note that in my years of doing Fighting for the

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Faith, the Ron Carpenter segment stands out as almost, if not the worst and blatant false teaching

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I've heard or seen or witnessed in all the years that I've been doing this. I mean, how do you say this, that except for that when somebody teaches the exact doctrine that 1st

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John chapter 4 says is the doctrine of Antichrist, and does it to applause within the visible

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Church, what does that tell you about the sad state of affairs? It's horrifying.

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Well, T .D. Jakes is one of these guys who he is an extremely gifted thespian.

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Yeah, no, yeah, I'm talking about somebody who is, you know, into acting.

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He has great delivery. He is a great thespian. And a little bit of a note, he teaches modalism, which is a heresy.

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He denies the doctrine of the Trinity and teaches that there's one God, one person within God, and that God takes on different modes.

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You know, sometimes he manifests as the Father, other time he puts on his son hat, and other times he manifests as the

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Holy Spirit, and this is a heresy. This puts one outside the Christian faith.

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Well, in the category of going from bad to worse, which is what the Apostle Paul said happens to to false teachers and those who are deceivers,

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T .D. Jakes now has jumped on to the we pre -existed bandwagon and has decided to embellish and add on to the false doctrine taught by Ron Carpenter.

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So the name of the message we'll be listening to, at least a portion of us, I didn't know I was me.

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Where do they get these names? I didn't know it was, I didn't know I was me, and I'll just let

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T .D. Jakes spin this out. We will be doing a biblical debunking along the way because some of the claims he makes are just flat -out false.

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I mean there's no way to justify it. So let's get to it. Here is T .D.

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Jakes, and I didn't know I was me. I have to go deeper.

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If I get on this, I gotta go deeper. If you read the creation story in the book of Genesis over and over again, you will see the word re.

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He restored. He replenished. He redeemed. Re is to do over again.

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Okay, he did it over again. He did it over again. It's been done before. All right, so we'll start with claim number one, that when you go back into the creation account in the book of Genesis, which is found in Genesis 1 and 2, over and again you're gonna see the word re.

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You know, he restored. He replenished, which means he did it over again. Let's fact -check that, shall we?

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And we will go to Genesis chapter 1. Genesis chapter 1.

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We were there with the Ron Carpenter segment. So we're gonna look for the re -storing, the re -ing that he was talking about, as if somehow, well, the earth has been created before, kind of thing.

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So in the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep.

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And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light. And there was light. And God saw that the light was good.

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And God separated the light from the darkness. God called the light day, and the darkness he called night.

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And there was evening, and there was morning the first day. And God said, Let there be an expanse in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters.

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And God made the expanse, separated the waters that were under the expanse from the waters that were above the expanse.

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And it was so. God called the expanse heaven, and there was evening, and there was morning the second day.

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God said, Let the waters under the heavens be gathered together into one place, and let the dry land appear.

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And it was so. God called the dry land earth, and the waters that were gathered together he called seas.

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And God saw that it was good. And God said, Let the earth sprout vegetation, plants yielding seed, fruit trees bearing fruit, in which is their seed, each according to its kind on the earth.

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And it was so. The earth brought forth vegetation, plants yielding seed according to their own kind, trees bearing fruit in which is their seed, each according to its kind.

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God saw that was good. And there was evening, and there was morning the third day. So we're up to the third day, and there's six days of creation.

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We're halfway through, and I don't see anything about re -ing. Re -ing.

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Yeah. Restoring. Replenishing. No, none of that going on at all.

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But he said it was there in the creation account. So God said, Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens, and separate the day from the night.

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Let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years. And let them be lights in the expanse of the heavens, to give light upon the earth.

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And it was so. God made the two great lights, the greater light to rule the day, the lesser light to rule the night, and the stars.

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And God set them in the expanse of the heavens, to give light on the earth, to rule over the day and over the night, to separate the light from the darkness.

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And God saw that it was good. And there was evening, and there was morning the fourth day. God said, Let the waters swarm with swarms of living creatures.

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Let the birds fly above the earth, across the expanse of the heavens. So God created the sea creatures, and every living creature that moves with which the waters swarm, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind.

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God saw that it was good. God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, multiply, fill the waters and the seas.

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I'm not seeing anything about re -eating, replenishing, or anything. No. Fill the waters and the seas.

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Let the birds multiply on the earth. There was evening, and there was morning the fifth day. God said, Let the earth bring forth living creatures, according to their kind, livestock and creeping things and beasts of the earth, according to their kind.

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It was so. God made the beasts of the earth according to their kind, livestock according to their kinds, everything that creeps on the ground according to its kind.

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God saw that it was good. And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness, and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the heavens, over the livestock, over all the earth, and every creeping thing.

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So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him, male and female. God blessed them and said,

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Be fruitful, multiply, fill the earth, subdue it, have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the heavens, over every living thing that moves on the earth.

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And God said, Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed on its face of the earth, every tree with its seed and its fruit.

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You shall have them for food to every beast of the earth, and to every bird of the heavens, and everything that creeps on the earth, everything that has the breath of life.

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I have given every green plant for food. It was so. God saw everything that he had made, and behold, it was good.

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It was very good. Tov ma 'od. And there was evening, and there was morning the sixth day.

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Yeah, I don't see any reading going on here. I, you know, maybe it's just me, you know.

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Anyway, well let's, let's take a look. Okay, so by the way, Genesis 1 is like the 30 ,000 foot overview of creation itself, and Genesis 2 drills down into the creation of humanity.

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So let's take a look at the, you know, the drill down in Genesis 2. So thus the heavens, the earth, where they were finished, and all the hosts of them, and on the seventh day

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God finished all the work that he had done. He rested on the seventh day from all of his work that he had done.

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So God blessed the seventh day, made it holy, because on it God rested from all his work that he had done in creation. These are the generations of the heavens and the earth when they were created in the day that Yahweh Elohim made the earth and the heavens.

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So when no bush of the field was in the, was yet in the land, no small plant of the field had yet sprung up, for the

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Lord God had not caused it to rain on the land. There was no man to work the ground. A mist was going up from the land, watering the whole face of the ground.

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Then the Lord God formed the man from the dust, from dust and from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life.

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The man became a living creature. And the Lord God planted a garden in Eden in the east, and there he put the man whom he had formed out of the ground.

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God made to spring up every tree that is pleasant in the sight, good for food.

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Tree of life was in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil."

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Yeah, so nothing in Genesis 1 or 2 about restoring, replenishing, or anything of that sort.

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Let me restart the video so you can hear again the claim, and T .D.

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Jakes is just straight out lying. That's the only way I can describe what I'm listening to here, but let's listen.

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I want to, I have to go deeper. See, if I get on this, I gotta go deeper. If you read the creation story in the book of Genesis, over and over again you will see the word re.

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Over and over again. I didn't see it once. He restored, he replenished, he redeemed.

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Re is to do over again. Okay, he did it over again. He did it over again.

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It's been done before. Oh wow. It's been done before.

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Somebody say before. How is it that you have an entire megachurch building filled with people with access to their

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Bibles who are sitting there just slurping this stuff up without fact -checking to see if that's true?

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See, the problem is I can't remember what was before because I am here present now.

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You're not supposed to remember what was before. You weren't there. But I can't remember what was before.

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When the Bible says that God redeemed us or restored us or redelivered us or redeemed us from the curse of the law, from sin or death, it suggests that there was something between me and him before.

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No, it does not. It does not suggest there was something between you and him before.

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We'll explain this along the way. Before what?

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Before time. Okay, I'm gonna go,

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Jeremiah's gonna help me out. I got myself in trouble, but Jeremiah's gonna pull me out. Jeremiah 1 4 5 1 chapter 1 verse 4 and 5.

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Jeremiah, check this out. It's still in frame. I haven't got to the picture. The Word of the

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Lord came unto me saying, before, before, before, before, before, before, before, before, before, before, before, before, before, before.

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Yeah, he thinks he's making some kind of a point that somehow Jeremiah chapter 1 teaches pre -existence.

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It doesn't. Yeah, the idea here is that God foreknew us.

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We'll take a look at the cross -references. In fact, T .D. Jakes will take us to the primary cross -reference, which is found in Romans, and we'll consider just how the words work there, but he's basically trying to say, look, see,

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God knew Jeremiah before he formed him in the womb, so they had to have a relationship.

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No. God foreknew him because God knew he would create him.

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It does not say that before I formed you, we knew each other.

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Nope. God knew. He knew because he is omniscient.

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He's all -knowing, so what he's doing to this text is absolutely criminal. Before your mama's ankle swole, before her belly got big, before her face broke out in a rash, and before she threw up the first morning and told her husband, baby,

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I'm sick, before I formed you in the womb, I knew you.

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Before I formed you, before you had... Notice, God did the knowing.

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He didn't say we knew each other. There's a big difference between the two. Your first birthday, before you were one week old, before you were one day old, before your mama was pregnant,

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I knew you. Before you were born, before you were born, before you were born,

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I set you apart. I set you apart.

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Now, what he's gonna do here, and this is kind of an interesting Bible -twisting technique, is he's going to dictate how this text is understood, and he'll create a whole narrative around it without any biblical texts that actually say any of the things in his narrative.

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But T .D. Jakes is a classic example of a fellow who twists the

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Scripture to tell people what their itching ears want to hear. And let me explain what

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I mean by that. In fact, let me duplicate this tab. No, I didn't want to delete it. I didn't want to pull it out.

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Okay, hang on a second here. I'm gonna put it back. There we go. And I'm gonna duplicate the tab.

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My apologies. And we're going to go to 2 Timothy chapter 4, and we'll note the prophecy of the

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Apostle Paul regarding the last days. So Paul says to young pastor Timothy, I charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who's to judge the living and the dead, and by his appearing in his kingdom, preach the word.

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Be ready in season and out of season. Reprove, rebuke, and exhort with complete patience and teaching.

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For the time is coming when people will not endure sound doctrine, but having itching ears, they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth, and they will wander off into myths.

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Now this is just a quintessential example of that, but note here that T .D.

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Jakes is a gifted ear -scratcher. He scratches people's ears to tell them what they want to hear, and you'll see this here as he's going to feed their vain glory.

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Yeah, it's absolutely fascinating what he's gonna do next, but I wanted to prepare you for it because I want to point it out that in the deception that you're hearing, not only is he lying, what he's trying to do is to feed the ego, the sinful ego, of the people who are there at the potter's house, and make them feel like, oh yeah, they are super -dee -duper unique and special and stuff.

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Yeah, they practically glow in the dark, and everybody else, they're just schlubs. Yeah, I wish

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I was making that up, but you'll see this as we work through this. I meant for you to be different. Before you ever even got here,

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I meant for you to be different, and you spent the first 20 years of your life trying to fit in, but...

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You catch that? Let me back this up. I'm gonna back this up 15 seconds, and watch how he goes.

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He takes this text, before I formed you in the womb, I knew you, and this has to do with the calling and the commissioning of the prophet

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Jeremiah. I mean, one of the major prophets of the Bible himself, of the

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Bible itself, you know, of the Old Testament, and God called him, and God had set him apart and predestined him for the work that he was doing as a prophet before he was even formed.

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But it doesn't mean that they knew each other, and we'll talk about the narrative that T. E.

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Jakes is gonna spin off of this, but again, watch what he does here, because he's going to take from this text and then springboard, and then spoon -feed, you know, super growth hormone into the vainglory egos of the people listening, and I wanted you to hear it in context.

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I set you apart, I meant for you to be different. I set you apart,

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I meant for you to be different. Before you ever even got here, I meant for you to be different. And you spent the first 20 years of your life trying to fit in, but the reason you never fit in is that I set you apart before you ever even got here.

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You didn't even fit in with your neighbors, you didn't fit in with your friends, uh -oh, you don't even fit in your family.

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You're the only one in your family who thinks like you think because I set you apart before I formed you in the belly.

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Yeah, that, so, they're all, oh, yeah, they're up on their feet, they're gonna receive that word, and notice, he's just feeding their ego with complete vainglorious platitudes and nonsense.

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That's not what Jeremiah is about at all, especially chapter one.

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But we continue. I meant for you to be different. So don't be upset over the people who didn't like you, who thought you thought you were cute, who didn't like your hair.

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I don't care how you change your hair, change your walk, change your talk. I meant for you to be an outcast.

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Meant for you to be an outcast, right. Rejected, ostracized. I meant for you to be different.

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Before I formed you in the belly, I knew you, I ordained you. Now, a little bit of a note here.

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There is a very well -known megachurch leader. I can't say the word pastor because he's really not that.

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Vision -casting leader, Stephen Furtick of Elevation Church, who hangs on every word that T .D.

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Jakes spews. You know, considers him to be his ultimate mentor. So my question is, how long before Stephen Furtick starts preaching that we pre -existed, now that Ron Carpenter has done it, and now

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T .D. Jakes is clearly building off of what Ron Carpenter laid down. So how long before Stephen Furtick does that?

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I set you apart. Oh my God, this is good.

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No, it's not. And you just said, OMG. And wow, that's not appropriate for any

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Christian, especially a pastor. So he knew me in eternity past.

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Okay, this is eternity past. Eternity past is an oxymoron. Eternity past is an oxymoron.

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It is two things that totally disagree. Which text is he exegeting now?

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He knew me in eternity past. Which text talks about that? Agree with each other.

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Eternity can't have a past. But the eternity is my only way of describing

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God. And past is my human attempt to express an anthropomorphic reality.

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He sounds so educated when he talks like that. Throwing around big $5 words.

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An anthropomorphic reality. It's got to be true. How much do you think it costs to use that word?

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Just the vowels alone. Buying them from Vanna White. How many thousands of dollars would that have been?

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An anthropomorphic reality. Anthro is human. It's a human attempt to describe something that is divine.

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So eternity past, present, and future. Past, present, and future are human terms.

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Eternity is God terms. Eternity past. Before I was born.

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He knew me. He knew me. He formed me.

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Because he knew me. I had a relationship with him before. Okay.

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Now he's spewing out the narrative. I had a relationship with God before. No. Texts.

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Say this. This is now the false narrative that he's going to embellish on from his misreading of Jeremiah 1.

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I had a relationship with him before I met my mother. That's why when he called me

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I recognized his voice. See that's the reason why when he called me

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I recognized his voice because we had a relationship before. Uh huh. He said my sheep know my voice a stranger they will not follow.

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That's why you go to church and get blessed and the person you went with didn't get nothing. Maybe they didn't recognize the voice.

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I knew the voice before I read the Bible. You know the word but I know the voice.

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I'm sorry the voice of God is heard in the Bible in the word of God rightly divided and taught.

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Wow this is bad. So notice how I recognize the voice

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I had a relationship with God ahead of time. So how come if I had a relationship with God ahead of time did

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I was I born without any knowledge of God whatsoever? How did that happen?

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Watch what he does with this. A lot of people know scripture but they don't know the voice.

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He said my sheep know my voice a stranger they will not follow. And some kind of way his voice resonated with me because I knew him before.

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He said before I formed the interbelly when you were just a spirit and I was just a spirit we knew each other on a spiritual level.

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When I was just a spirit we knew each other on a spiritual level. No text says this. This is the false narrative now that he's building around his twisting of Jeremiah chapter 1.

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We connected, we hooked up, we got together I agreed to send you into time but here's the deal if you go into time you're going to forget what we had in eternity.

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No text says that. So now he's putting words into the mouth of God. So I'm going to send you into time but oh here's the thing when you get there you're going to forget who

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I am. Which text says this? No text says this.

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This is the story that he's spinning out of his head in order to embellish his false teaching.

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That's what being lost is about. The reason

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I'm lost first of all I can't be lost if I don't belong to somebody. And I can't be lost if there's not a place for me.

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So the whole notion of being lost is not just about sinful activity it's about not remembering.

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It's about not remembering. Again, no biblical text says this. And I would remind you of what scripture teaches regarding the state of humanity under the fall.

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And that is going to be found for us in very clear language in Ephesians chapter 2.

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So listen to what the Apostle Paul says to the Christians at the Church of Ephesus.

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And talking about the way they were as to compare to how they is now.

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And here's what it says. And you, you were dead in trespasses, in sins in which you once walked following the course of this world following the prince of the power of the air the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh carrying out the desires of the body and the mind and we were by nature children of wrath like the rest of mankind.

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Hmm. Well that's weird. The text doesn't say, and we had forgotten about how we pre -existed with God and when we got here we forgot.

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No, it says that we were born dead in trespasses and sins. And this is a result of Adam's rebellion.

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Let me do a little biblical work here. Yeah. Alright. So, yeah.

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This is the text I want. Romans 5 Listen to what the apostle Paul says.

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For while we were still weak at the right time Christ died for the ungodly for one will scarcely die for a righteous person though perhaps for a good person one would even dare to die but God demonstrates or shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners

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Christ died for us since therefore we have now been justified by his blood how much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God for if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God by the death of his son how much more now that we are reconciled shall we be saved by his life more than that we also rejoice in God through our

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Lord Jesus Christ through whom we have now received reconciliation therefore just as sin came into the world through one man and death through sin so death spread to all men because all sinned for sin indeed was in the world before the law was given but sin is not counted where there is no law yet death reigned from Adam to Moses even over those who sinning was not like the transgression of Adam who was a type of the one who was to come but the free gift is not like the trespass for if the many died through the man's trespass how much more have the grace of God and the free gift by the grace of that one man

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Jesus Christ abounded for many and the free gift is not like the result of one man's sin for judgment followed one trespass and brought condemnation but the free gift following many trespasses brought justification for if because of the one man's trespass death reigned through that one man how much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man

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Jesus Christ therefore as one trespass led to condemnation for all men so one act of righteousness leads to justification in life for all men for as by the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners so by the one man's obedience the many will be made righteous yeah so I think you kind of get the idea here something's really amiss in T .D.

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Jakes' teaching shall we say and I'm doing yeah there's another part of this

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I want to show because he was talking about being lost Luke chapter 15 here's what it says and this is an important thing because talking about lost found kind of stuff here so you'll note that Ephesians 2 dead and trespasses and sins

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Romans 5 talking about through Adam's sin the many were made sinners that's all of us that we are objects of God's wrath all this stuff no text ever anywhere says that we forgot because we preexisted with God spiritually and then when we got here we were made to forget that's just total science fiction made up by T .D.

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Jakes but note then the lost and found motif in Luke chapter 15 now the tax collectors and the sinners were all drawing near to hear

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Jesus that's the hymn and the Pharisees and the scribes they grumbled saying this man receives sinners and he eats with them so Jesus told them this parable this is a 3 part parable it's one parable in 3 chapters so chapter 1 consider what it says what man of you having a hundred sheep if he has lost one of them does not leave the 99 in the open country and go after the one that is lost until he finds it so here we've got clear biblical text talking about lostness and it's going to talk about foundness also here very briefly and it's not going to say anything that T .D.

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Jakes says lost is about forgetting the relationship that you had with God spiritually before you were sent to earth nope that's not how the bible defines these things at all and who's doing the defining here

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Jesus is notice these are red letters pay attention so so what man of you having a hundred sheep if he has lost one of them does not leave the 99 in the open country and go after the one that is lost until he finds it and when he has found it he lays it on his shoulders rejoicing and when he comes home he calls together his friends and neighbors saying to them rejoice with me for I have found my sheep that was lost just so I tell you there will be more joy in heaven over what one sinner who repents than over 99 righteous persons who need no repentance or what woman having 10 silver coins if she loses one coin does not light a lamp and sweep the house and seek diligently until she finds it and when she has found it she calls together her friends and neighbors saying rejoice with me

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I found the coin that I had lost just so I tell you there is joy before the angels of God over one sinner who repents and we'll note here

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Romans 5 makes it clear when we were lost because through the one man's trespass the many were made what?

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Sinners okay so scripture defines lostness and it doesn't define it in any way even remotely approaching what

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T .D. Jakes is talking about here in fact the stuff he's spewing is just utter nonsense so let me back this up just a little bit and I want you to hear again as he tries to explain how lostness it's not merely about sin and stuff no it's about forgetting yeah listen to what he says and I can't be lost if there's not a place for me so the whole notion of being lost is not just about sinful activity it's about not remembering no text says that so he chose me in him before the foundations of the world that's what the bible says he chose me in him he picked me out and then sent me into time now

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Thomas I'm going to send you into time nowhere in scripture does it say he sent you into time another text here this will help us out more text that we can add that better Ephesians chapter 1 and consider what it says here blessed be the

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God and Father Ephesians 1 3 blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places even as he chose us in him before the foundations of the world so you'll note the choosing takes place prior to the creation of the world itself and we are part of the creation

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Genesis 1 makes that very clear that we should be holy and blameless before him or you can say holy and blameless in his sight in love he predestined us for adoption to himself as sons through Jesus Christ according to the purpose of his will so note then that what

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God the one he foreknew he predestines predestines for what adoption adoption to himself as sons through Jesus Christ according to the purpose of his will to the praise of his glorious grace with which he has blessed us in the beloved in him we have redemption through his blood the forgiveness of our trespasses according to the riches of his grace so what

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TD Jakes is spewing here has nothing to do with the biblical doctrine of predestination time when

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I send you into time you gonna walk into time now I'm gonna back this up because you're gonna note he's putting words in God's mouth regarding himself

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TD Jakes his first name is Thomas so he's talking to himself so listen to the words he's ascribing to God that God said to TD Jakes to Thomas Jakes before he was conceived and born he picked me out and then sent me into time now

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Thomas I'm gonna send you into time when I send you into time you gonna walk into time and the moment you come out of your mother's womb you won't remember that you knew me before no text says this this is total mythology this is exactly what the apostle

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Paul warned people will no longer listen to the truth they will gather to themselves teachers who will tell them what their itching ears want to hear following their sinful passions and they will no longer hear sound doctrine but wander off into myths total myth here but I set you apart

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I won't lose track of you I set you apart and when I get ready for you

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I'm gonna call you and when I call you you're gonna recognize my voice though you don't remember what we had before the fact that all these people are clapping and applauding this utter mythology pray for these people pray for them they are under the grips of the devil himself the prince of darkness reigns at the potter's house in Dallas can

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I prove this to you? sure you can try ok go to Romans 8 29 and 30 look at this right quick alright let's get there before he does

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Romans 8 29 and 30 and let's just do a little bit of work in this text shall we?

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let's see here Romans chapter 8 three rules for sound biblical exegesis are context, context and context so we'll note then let's see here we'll go to 26 and move forward and see if that's enough context to understand what's going on and we'll pay attention to how the words work so likewise the spirit helps us in our weakness for we do not know what to pray for as we ought but the spirit himself intercedes for us with groanings that are too deep for words and he who searches hearts knows what is in the mind of the spirit because the spirit intercedes for all the saints according to the will of God and we know that for those who love

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God all things work together for good for those who are called according to his purpose for those whom he fore knew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his son in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and those whom he predestined he also called and those whom he called he also justified and those whom he justified he also glorified.

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Now everything's going to hinge then on this particular word foreknew the Greek word is proskonosko let's see progonosko, my apologies didn't pronounce that properly progonosko to know beforehand or in advance to have foreknowledge so what

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T .D. Jakes is going to do is say oh he foreknew me that means we had a relationship but I came into earth and I forgot no, progonosko means to have foreknowledge of something yep, that's really what it means, it doesn't mean that we had a relationship ahead of time, that's not how that word itself works, so that we're armed now with good grammar we've taken a look at it in context we know what progonosko means, let's see what

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Thomas does with this shall we? It's just a frame, it's not the picture. For those

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God foreknew he also predestined to be oh this is so good, for those

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God, we're going backwards, foreknew for those God beforeknew, those are people that God beforeknew that's what foreknew means no it doesn't progonosko means to have foreknowledge it does not mean that he knew me personally or anything like that, so he he's not telling the truth about what the word progonosko means let me back this up and listen again

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God, we're going backwards, foreknew for those God beforeknew, those are people that God beforeknew that's what foreknew means beforeknew, he also this is future, predestined most convoluted thing

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I've ever heard there, it's as if he's purposely creating a smokescreen in order to engage in obfuscation, that's what he's doing okay, because I knew you before I predestined you no foreknowledge is different than what you're talking about foreknowledge

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God knows the end from the beginning that doesn't mean that I preexisted that's not what this text is saying at all and progonosko doesn't even remotely hint at that concept of preexistence for human beings in the word foreknew to be conformed to the image of his dear son good

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God almighty that he might be the firstborn among many brethren come on, and those he predestined he also called wait a minute, go back to 29 again for those

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God foreknew, he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his son that he might be the firstborn among many brethren, all of that he did without me knowing it,

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I can't remember it, come on he did that without me knowing it because I can't remember it the reason why you can't remember it is because you didn't exist you didn't exist until you were conceived and those he predestined, he also he also, this is what

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I found out, he also he also he also he also he also notice the blatant manipulation going on here, he's playing to their vain glory and like I said, he's a thespian he also, that's when

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I found out I was his when he called me, that's when I realized that I wasn't what they called me

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I wasn't what they called, who's they? I wasn't what he called me, I wasn't what she called me

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I was what called here Kletos means to be called out of darkness into the light it's not to be called a name or something man this guy is just a master manipulator are you hearing what

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I'm saying? oh I'm hearing it, and the bible don't teach none of it so when he called me we're having trouble with one of the screens but when he called me that's when

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I realized that's him that's him and because he called me that's when

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I became aware of who I was before yeah cause he called me, that's when

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I became aware wait a second, wow I must have pre -existed before uh huh no, again, no text teaches the pre -existence of humanity cause humanity didn't pre -exist and it doesn't matter what

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I was in when he called me he called me I could have been in a strip club but he called me

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I could have been in a gay bar but he called me God doesn't call people while they're there, he calls them through the preaching of the word, faith comes by hearing hearing by the word of Christ so somebody at a strip club, it's highly unlikely that somebody's going to be preaching the gospel in either of those two venues that he just listed, this is weird

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I could have been high on crack but he called me and all of a sudden what used to make me happy doesn't make me happy anymore and what used to give me joy doesn't give me joy anymore cause

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God has a way of disrupting your life yeah my life has been disrupted because I pre -existed and stuff yeah

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I think you get the point this is really a mess and all

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I can say is that last two episodes previous episode and this episode of fighting for the faith, this is some of the rankest false doctrine and heresy

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I've come across and it's so brazen I mean when you have doctrines of the antichrist being taught and people applauding in megachurches and rather than walking out and saying this is not what the scripture says this tells you just how far along we are in the great apostasy and it's absolutely frightening to consider the implications and like I've said, pray for the people at the potter's house they are in the grips of Satan himself and if God doesn't grant them repentance and a faithful preacher who will actually correctly preach the word to them they're doomed because at this point the heresies that are being spewed there are not minor errors these are ginormous errors that touch on the gospel itself, it's a different gospel a different Jesus altogether and a totally different spirit that is being preached there at the potter's house this is not

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Christianity this is straight out pit of hell doctrines of demons kind of stuff so keep praying for them now hopefully you found this helpful if you did find the video helpful all the information on how you can share the video is down below as well as financially support

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