Kenoticism Examined

Opening Chatter and Technical Setup

Well, good afternoon, we didn't bother to turn the screen on and inside here today. So I don't know if we're on the air or not. I can't see anything, but it's good to be with you. One way or the other where is that thing?

Oh There it is. The professionals are back. Notice that rich didn't even Look my you know, what my sweaters are so much brighter Than they actually are in life. I mean this is this is a pretty calm quiet Sweater it really is and it's the same on either one.

That blue is so much brighter, isn't it? Come on, we fork it. So you're telling me 4k creates color? I mean, this is this is this is one of the Coogee made. For the people who and we got to be really careful about style today.

You know, I mean Wow, I hear it's really cold other places. It's pretty cold for us here. It's me down to freezing again here in the desert tonight, and it's windy. But You know, I do bring scarves when I go to places where it's windy and cold and snowy.

But evidently you're not allowed to do that anymore. Just just thought we'd mention that in passing. Let's not get into that today, please there are certain topics that take over Twitter that we really don't need to deal with but These sweaters the Coogee sweaters I get from eBay Coogee doesn't make.

Well ever since they moved their manufacturing to China, it's like who cares why even bother but I get everything from eBay and it's from back in the 90s early 2000s and We just those of us who like these things just trade them back.

On eBay just you know, whatever and they had one called Coogee blues. That's what this is. This is this like it's meant to go with jeans. So honestly this blue is The same blue as you'd have on blue jeans, but it's like fluorescent on this camera so I'm not sure what that means other than The the color intensity is fake.

That's just the only way to put it. It's fake and I had nothing to do with it. Okay, there's only one other person has controls. This here I didn't have this night and plugged in so I can't it's not me.

But it's it's somebody else who keeps complaining about not liking Coogee sweaters. But he's making them even brighter. Which tells me that there's a there's a you know subliminal desire on his part that he wishes he had Coogee sweaters, they were this bright and and beautiful anyway, oh Yeah, well but That's closer to the actual color but anyway.

Yeah, that see that's.

But no, you're you're sitting there you seeing what I'm seeing. This is just a standard blue. It's not fluorescent. Anyway, hi folks I just actually responded to Ben Zeisloft on Twitter.

He.

Posted some yeah, that's this DEI stuff rich and I were talking about right before the program started. We've been trying to say for a long long time that this is insanity. Just simply on a on a basic level.

To hire people based upon their skin color or who their great-great-grandparents were or whatever. There's just so many areas. Where if if this nation and this culture is going to continue on and I'm not sure that this culture needs to in certain aspects, but.

That you you hire the best people for the job and It has nothing to do with their parents or their great-grandparents or great-great-great-grandparents or. Any of the rest is insanity that is going on and there's certain areas that look.

We've seen this stuff for decades now. But we've always thought yeah, but they'd never do it in this air. They'd never do it in the airline industry. They'd never do it with pilots and Engineers and maintenance people.

No, no, no, no, no. Sanity has to demand that you know. You can't you can't have people building airplanes Who are not going to build them Perfectly as well at least as best as human humanly possible.

I mean you can have parts fail, but but you just and We think this way we put it in the back of our mind and and we function that way and when you get into a Plane and you sit next to the window and I much prefer windows to aisles or let alone the middle.

And.

You know, I've fallen asleep leaning up against an emergency exit door more than once in My many many many many many miles. I was it I think with American I was at over 700 ,000 miles When I stopped flying and that wasn't including a lot of stuff that came before that so I've flown well no, probably 1 .5 1 .7 million miles probably since the 19 late 1980s and so yeah, you know 17-hour flights back and forth from Australia and.

And you just trust that the people that built this were the best people who could could be and. Yet you look at you look at the world today and what we're doing and It's self-destruction. It you know it when wisdom speaks in Scripture and says you who you hates me loves death.

Well Secularism has given us the insanity of DEI and all the other associated foolishness and We're gonna reap the rewards. We're gonna reap the rewards I'm telling you I just said to Ben I said we have to do repairs on our RV after every trip.

Just the nature of the beast. And the interstate highways across the nation especially in New Mexico and Eastern Missouri. Wow. And Louisiana. Oh, man that one spot around.

Oh.

Up in the north north west part of the state. Anyways, it's bad really really really bad. And so you know you just bounce that thing around and stuff needs to be repaired in fact. Thank you. Got really good news today.

I was good. I was a little nervous. I'll admit I was a little nervous got the big trip coming up, and I'm asking this audience Please be in prayer for this big trip. I need. I need to be a good driver.

I need to stay healthy. I need to be getting lots of preparation done. Over the next month because I I pull out in in less than one month.

I.

Mean what's what's today Thursday? So I pull out. Four weeks is it four weeks from tomorrow. I think so something like that somewhere around there February 9th and You know we we can't accomplish anything with a without your support, but most importantly with without Lord's blessings, so please be praying for us and so We just got we're just off the phone with the with the tech that I had talked with for quite some time last evening.

Because on the last trip you may recall I mentioned the refrigerator stopped working. That's not it was it was sort of cold on the trip, but You still that's that's a bummer. Especially on the the travel sections.

Where you're not stopping and and disconnecting the truck? I mean if I'm only staying overnight. Depending on the spot. I won't disconnect the truck. It'll just I'll just stay connected. You know you put the feet down on the on the fifth wheel and take the weight off the truck.

But I'll stay hooked up so next morning. It's just a matter of attracting everything taking off. So I can't go get anything at that point. And so you have to have some fresh food to have to you know just to make a good meal or something like that.

So the refrigerator is sort of important, and it had stopped working and Nice thing is I've now learned Rich and I were both completely wrong. About our the refrigerator well, okay, you said it was a ground issue probably and but we didn't know.

And now I do know in the last RV the refrigerator ran on 110 and Propane and it would switch back and forth, which is really cool. We assume this did the same thing. 12 volt 12 volt it's a 12-volt refrigerator.

You know like like plugging into your cigarette lighter. Yeah, the 12-volt refrigerator with freezer 10 Cubic feet 12 I forget what it was. But they're switching to all of it so you can run it off of the battery in your RV.

Which everybody now has solar we have 400 watts of solar on the roof and so it recharges during the day as long as it's got some Sun and So it's 12 volt and it doesn't run on propane. We didn't know now I know I think the people sold us to us sold to us didn't know that in fact.

They.

Rich it's gone. There were a lot of things. They didn't know. Yeah, that's a sadly variable. There was a lot of things they didn't know. Um, so anyway they found a. When they did the grounding they didn't crimp the wire properly and You have something go through 20 earthquakes every day and Stuff happens, so we have to We have to get stuff repaired and we thankfully It's got a new roof on it because during it was made during kovat I'm not the only one that'll tell you stuff that was made during kovat.

Gonna have problems the other RV. They didn't bother to lubricate the big ball joint in The tongue that you connect to your truck so every time I would turn it was like 7 ,000 cats were dying in the back of my.

Truck.

And they just because they didn't lubricate it because kovat kovat anyway. So It's got a new roof on it because they had not put. What did they put like? 110th the amount of adhesive on the roof originally that was meant to have.

So it's got a new roof on it, and the refrigerator is working, and I'm excited about all those things because I don't need to be doing Repair work on this next trip not with five debates and everything else I'm doing on that particular trip, so I said to Ben's ice loft.

But let me tell you I am NOT nervous sitting next to the door of my GMC Sierra. I would be on any DEI designed built and maintained aircraft and. Don't don't tell me I'm some conspiracy theorist. If you think about it, you would be too.

Because you I used to go yeah, they're gonna have they don't want these things crashing. So they're gonna have their they're gonna make sure to have the best people on this. That's not how corporate America works anymore.

They've been captured by our own enemies by our own enemies and while the West Bankrupts itself with expensive energy the East the Bricks India China.

That.

Large conglomeration that's coming together because we're run by idiots self-destructive idiots. They're gonna be building coal-fired plants having cheap electricity, and you're just gonna run us into the ground.

It's just and that's that's the plan, that's the it's so clear. It's so obvious and people there I go. Well, I can't have it. Oh, yes can. Yes, I can and it is so yeah, I am I'm at least thankful That well, that's interesting.

My that's not good at all given that the.

Oh.

Let's see is it this one here? Oh that might mess stuff up. That's gonna mess everything up. Yep. I'll get back in see if we can get the mouse working again. Because I think that's what it's plugged into at least.

Oh no oh. Okay, it's working now. I Touched it. It was got healed anyways. That's where we are we got stuff to talk about. Let's get to it. There's gonna be people writing in complaining you spent too much time to be a program was talking about stuff doesn't matter.

Actually I was letting you know that. You know stuff like being able to repair I'm I'm I know the roof and The other stuff is warranty stuff because the unit's still fairly new. But there are other things we have to have done that that are not warranty and so when you give to the travel fund.

That's how we get to Travel around and do the stuff we're doing including the five debates coming up. Next month into March. That's how we do it. So we appreciate you doing that and thank you very much for that.

DEI, Corporate Capture, and Self-Destructive Western Culture

All right. So dr. Riccardi from master seminary posted a Lengthy thread. Evidently he does not have his blue checkmark.

On.

Twitter regarding Canaticism. Now there's all these all the stuff's going on in the world right now and We we literally have insanity running through the streets we have. We have New York City closing public high schools.

To use those high schools to house Invaders that have been invited here by the Biden regime. They they've just they've just been invited. Come on in we'll love. Oh and in, California California what a wonderful land, California is.

They're offering sex transition surgeries for illegal aliens. Isn't that lovely? At taxpayer expense, it's great it I mean.

Yeah, I.

I sit here and think about if if my mom came back today. My mom died in 2010. So she's been gone. As of yesterday as of yesterday she died January 10th 2010 and so She's she's been gone for 14 years now and If she came back today, I'm just 14 years is not a long period of time As far as human history is concerned.

I Just the way she would look at me if I even tried To explain to her what has happened in the past 14 years. She would go that's not possible son that son that couldn't that couldn't happen.

And.

I wish she was right. But I could. I can just see the look on her face. I can I can hear her voice. I am very thankful. I can still hear my mom's voice 14 years after she died. I'm very thankful for that anyway.

It is hard for those of us with this much snow on I was gonna say the roof, but that doesn't work on the chin to even conceive of the stupidity of what is happening in Western culture the the the self-destructive insanity and.

So you you look at this kind of stuff? And you go with all the stuff happening, why should we be talking about incredibly obscure theological Teachings well the broad topic of The reality of the incarnation and the deity of Christ of doctrine the Trinity.

Absolutely central to dealing with all the rest of stuff why I've used the illustration many times I Think it's a good illustration. When I when I said on the dr. Drew show back in 2016 I quoted Jesus from Matthew chapter 19 in regards to from the beginning the Creator made them male and female and When the guy pushed back and said well, you know that's that's Jesus, but there's also for the religions, and I'm like except that he prophesied his death barrel and resurrection and Then died was buried and was risen as enthroned on high and when you can do that We'll worry about your opinion till then he's got the final say Who Christ is is?

Central To all of the culture war which is culture war there's a lot of stuff in culture war which is a silly Okay, there's there's people that are just trying to get clicks by taking shots of people that they shouldn't be taking shots at and Not really accomplishing in the process.

But when you think about it When we're talking abortion genetic manipulation This kind of fundamental, what's a male? What's a female? What's a family so on and so forth? That's not Just quote-unquote culture war.

That's the necessary conflict that exists between the claims of Christ and a rebellious sinful world and Fundamentalism a lot of Evangelicalism has done everything that it can do to Run and hide From that battle for a long long time and now a lot of people are going.

Hey, you know, we've we can't do that We've got to do this. We've got to do something differently. But doing making the shift in a balanced and mature way Can be a bit challenging all of that goes back to why should we think we have anything to say the world in the first place well because Um the Creator entered the world and Taught us and established a church and gave us his word and his spirit and so he's enthroned in heaven and The scripture warns kings and judges Not to rebel against him lest they engender his wrath.

That was the part that was pretty much missing be honest with you from my theology for a long long time He was like, oh, no, no, that's just the world gets do whatever it wants to do. You know God will just do the big stuff and you know Psalm 2 it's right there.

We read it but just sort of skipped over it, you know, kiss the Sun lest his wrath is kindled against you and so what we believe about Christ look a.

Unitarian.

Does not have the same foundation of Proclaiming the Lordship of Christ that a Trinitarian has a Merely human Jesus has never. Unitarianism has never developed a.

A A.

Theology of Lordship that would speak to the world with any kind of authority or power just never has never has. And So who we believe Jesus is vitally important if Jesus Michael the Archangel Game over completely different religion.

No question about it. No question about it. But what I'm seeing now is I'm seeing people Who are.

Engaging.

Really fine. Distinctions uses of language that are that are not have nothing to do with denying the deity of Christ or anything like that, but you need to say it the way my group says you need to say it or it's just full-on heresy and you're to be marked out and and we're not to have anything to do with you and extremely divisive.

And.

It and it's based upon Speculation. It's not based upon if you were to press them. Okay prove that biblically. Well, so and so said it in their systematic theology. Well, that's great. But did they prove it biblically and.

So we're seeing this kind of stuff happening and there's reasons for a lot of it.

The EFS Controversy and Why Theology Must Be Biblical

Now.

Dr. O 'Carney teaches at the Master's Seminary and For years and years and years. We've had just wonderful relationship With all the people over there. Don't cooperate in doing all sorts of things. No, I think we haven't ever done TMS and and grace the church.

They've never believed in debates and That's fine. That didn't keep them from having me in To speak and do stuff like that, but we just never. You know, it was just known to all all sides That that was not something that they believed in.

You know, it was expressed to me. We don't believe that you should give a platform to false teachers in any context, even if it's in the context of refuting them and You know my response would be well, okay.

The.

Apostle Paul certainly did not bind and gag the people he was debating. In the in the marketplace in the ancient church in the primitive church he was demonstrating from the scriptures that Jesus was the Christ and that means the other side got to be heard too and so.

Okay, but there is. It's part of grace's Fundamentalistic background and that's still a part of of things the dispensationalism the fundamentalism. You don't you don't give false teachers a hearing which unfortunately not for TMS but in most of fundamentalism means you don't worry much at all about accurately representing the other side either and that becomes a problem when your people go out and encounter the people from the other side and.

They have all sorts of false ideas about what they believe and stuff like that and that that causes a problem. But anyway so. There was that, you know, the idea was, you know, we won't do the debate type of stuff.

But you know, I taught for TMI overseas in European and around Europe a number of different nations in Europe over the years had wonderful relationships and. You know, I haven't changed. Well, I guess you can say well, yeah, but you you became a post-millennialist and no, no, okay.

I was a unconvinced I Was a I was a dispassionate amillennialist.

And.

So, okay, that's that's about it. On everything else biblical sufficiency Trinity my views have not changed in the slightest and. And so What happened I think and it this is how it's been explained to me by a number of different people.

So I won't name names or like that. But what what happened was the EFS controversy in 2016 and Starting oh, I think it was April May if I recall correctly. There were a series of blog articles that just started Lobbying Bombs toward Bruce Ware and other proponents of eternal functional subordination or ESS eternal subordination to the Sun or all the different terminologies and perspectives.

And I remember very clearly That July when when I rode The double-triple bypass ride. In the first leg the first climb I was riding with a pastor friend and we're sitting there we're Climbing this mountain.

Talking about EFS and I I remember sort of looking around and seeing the looks on people's faces. That's we you know, they pass us or we'd pass them and they're hearing what we're talking about and they're like.

Because that's really an unusual context. You're at 11 ,000 feet above sea level and you're gasping for air and you're talking about stuff like the Trinity. It's a little bit weird. But anyway.

I.

Remember we did some we didn't jump into the middle of saying we've never it's it's not been a situation like oh. Well, you know, I wrote a book on the Trinity. So we just need to jump it right in the middle is.

No, I'm sitting here. You know going okay. Wayne Grudem. Bruce where I think it had been. Had it been the year before. I think it may have just been the year before. I think it might have been 2015. That we had at the g3 conference that we had and it was still those.

I think it was the year before it went to the big. You know became real big. It was still in church at that time. Bruce where was one of the people speaking on the Trinity. As was I and I sensed the differences between us at that point in time.

But it never crossed my mind to. You know identify him as a heretic and that's what was very very quickly in 2016 it was charges of heresy were being thrown around and everything else and. What I've been told happened is that for a lot of people at Masters.

They felt they did not even have the vocabulary to engage the topic it was not something that the seminary had been dealing with and that in fact. The reality was there was sort of a default acceptance of EFS by lots and lots of people even though.

Are you accepting something when you're not even sure? What the what the issues are, you know, has it. If it hasn't been identified how many people in 2015 would have just immediately heard EFS and gone I.

Eternal functional support nation. Probably not all that many.

And.

So it seems to me that there has been a Sort of whiplash response.

To.

The events that are now Coming up on eight years in the past and The chosen methodology of Denying EFS and Purging EFS from Well, my understanding is there have been doctrinal statements that have been edited and changed Stuff on websites and sermons from John MacArthur that have had to be altered Because of not using the proper language you see and Look, I get you know any school that wants to take a position on something fine It just from my perspective.

Especially given the background of the school in the church. The only way to really address this is biblically. Not from some, you know, I mean Grace Community Church does not use the London Baptist Confession of Faith it's not it's not a confessional church in that sense and so To to decide to take this rigorous Perspective that would include utilizing materials from James Dolezal and and people like that Just strikes me as very very strange very odd and So what's happened over the past couple of years is not all the faculty members, but some faculty members have decided that I'm a big bad guy and As a result have told students that well, he believes this he believes that there there have been students who have asked me I've been told that you you hold EFS.

It's like no one can say that no no no one with a semblance of honesty. Because you can go back to 2016. You can go back to the summer of 2016 and Listen to the dividing lines we brought the issue up because it was exploding all over the place and we talked about it.

And.

You know, I I said I I agree that EFS is dangerous in the sense that I have For pretty much all of my public ministry at least since Oh Least since 89 I would say have openly aligned myself with the reformed Minority Knowingly so in holding to John Calvin's enunciation of the Sun as Altaf a us as God in and of himself.

This is over against the post Nicene Orthodoxy. That again, I this is one of the reasons I go have we really thought through Creed's and confessions and stuff like that and why we draw the lines where we draw them.

Are we even being semi-consistent how we do this? But after Nicaea and and around the time of Chalcedon You have The development of Doctrinal stances Not so much by creeds and confessions and counsels.

But by name So the two Gregory's Basil John Chrysostom to a lesser extent Augustine obviously. These men and their work become the very definition of What orthodoxy is. The fact the matter is we we don't believe everything that they said in all sorts of areas we demure as Evangelical Protestants from many of their practices and Especially so theological issues and things like that but when it comes to Theology proper the doctrine of God specifically Christology related issues Then it's like well You can't question anything that any of them said even though there were differences of emphasis and things like that between them once you start digging into it, but anyway, so It just seems like The best way To deal with something like EFS is Is to do so from a biblical perspective if you're gonna take a stand and say we think this is Dangerous and so it's so we're not we're talking about over here If you're gonna be where I think the vast majority of people are in the middle where they're they're going.

Well, I don't I Don't agree. But I want to be clear and generous in why I don't agree and I want to hear what the other side has to say. And I want to I don't want to Misrepresent them. I don't want to in any way Just kick everybody out of the kingdom unless they Dot the I's and cross T's the exact same way that I do and So I think most people Go well, I can My real concern is if taken to its final conclusion if pressed and for me when something is press is being pressed in debate going outside of the realm of our own fellowships and presenting this in regards to Islam and Mormonism and Unitarianism and everything else.

That's where your position is going to be pressed. There's going to be stuff that's going to come against it. My concern is that if you press that in that context it becomes Inconsistent but we have to have conversation about that because someone might say no it won't become inconsistent because of this because that a Lot of the early stuff.

Well, actually most of the stuff in 2016 there wasn't any willingness to have that kind of conversation at all. It was just That that type of stuff unfortunately So another opportunity for actually enriching and deepening our theology sort of got passed over in the process.

So anyway fast forward a bit The charge of canonicism, so we're not going to talk about EFS now but but the issue on canonicism has Come out from the same stuff so you can really trace the Impassability Controversy from say 2010 to 2013 2014 amongst reformed Baptists and that gives rise to Resourcement movements and that gives rise to the a hyper emphasis upon a philosophical definition of simplicity Which then gives rise to inseparable operations which Almost nobody had any idea what in the world that was Didn't write books about it anything else, but now it's the definition of Orthodoxy and in the midst of all this Comes this issue of canonicism and the accusations against me of being a canonicist.

What is all that from? Well Canot oh, of course is the term that is used by the Apostle Paul uses a number of times. He never uses it literally. But it is used in Philippians chapter 2 when the Sun Empties himself.

He makes himself a no reputation notice that it's the Sun doing this. It's not something that's being done to the Sun Reflexive pronoun being used there and so back in 96 97 when I wrote the Forgotten Trinity came out in 98 as I recall You Read my ex-Jesus Philippians to a discussion of this and Then I wrote a lengthy article for the CRI Journal Which interacted with a number of different positions including Dan Wallace's position which now using The emphasis we make today what it was and I think still is an EFS position.

I I.

Interacted with because that was what Dan and I had. Dan I stood at the NET table at that 96 98 98 Evangelical theological meeting and That's what we were talking about. We stood there for a lengthy period of time at least an hour.

Debating the Greek of the Carmen Christi. And the specific issue was in regards to that that topic. What's what's the nature of our Pogmos. And The relationship between the father and the son everything else.

And I. I even sent him the article and said I want to make sure that I'm accurately representing you. And and he wrote back with a couple suggestions, and I made the changes and and. Then said he said hey, that's that's great.

Thank you for taking the time to accurately represent me. And so I don't remember what year that came out. But it was it was a long time ago.

And.

So I Dealt with these issues. I first ran into the term canonicism. Probably.

I.

Graduated 89 so 87 88. May have been before that because I was dealing with Trinitarian issues before that but it I very clearly remember Fortman's book in.

Seminary.

Talking about canonicism and and stuff like that and of course, I'm already dealing with Jehovah's Witnesses Mari dealing with Mormonism Already engaging all that stuff at that point in time and back then and so No one can give you any kind of Official definition, I mean if you look at Horton's definition it almost limits things to Forms of eutychianism if you're not familiar with eutychianism.

If you remember the major Christological errors in Astorian ism, eutychianism Apollinarianism. I've used the hand thing many times to try to explain that but eutychianism is a mixture where there is an intermingling of the divine the human in Christ so that he's not fully God not fully man, but a New mixture that's never existed before and of course that's in Opposition to the hypostatic Union where you have two natures that are not intermingled.

There's nothing removed from one replaced by the other. Apollinarian ism There's nothing separated out in Astorian ism. Whether Nestorius actually believe that or not, it's another issue, but um. So if you look at that particular Definition then Obviously the large majority of people that are being accused of Canonicism wouldn't wouldn't qualify.

But what we have now is up until this time period talking about the the veiling of Certain aspects of the divine nature was Common language you can you can fill pages with People going all the way back that have used terms veiling hiding because you everybody has to Everybody has oh by the way before I get to that.

I.

Defined especially in the CRI article I defined the incarnation in and the emptying in terms of addition rather than subtraction. So long before. Any of these modern guys Did that. I did that and I did that.

Because why. Because of Philippians 2.

I.

Remember I was on was it issues, etc. Is that the Lutheran guy? Okay issues, etc. Had me. I've got a cat checking out my my truck right now, I'm just hoping he doesn't all of a sudden disappear into the I.

Can't tell from this this angle. The Sun's back there so I have no idea.

Oh.

Okay. Yeah. Well, he's he's between the back wheels right now. So I just want to make sure he doesn't stay there. Anyway, yes, I am watching the parking lot. You see me looking over here. It's Because we live in Phoenix and if you have a truck it can get to Mexico real fast.

Even though Mexico is coming here. So it doesn't you know, does it really gonna matter anymore? Anyways, what was I talking about? See the cat got me the cat running around underneath my truck out there.

Got me all discombobulated. The article that I wrote for Sierra the CRA Journal when issues etc had me on The. I think it was Todd Todd Wilkin. Is that the name? Anyways, he just loved the translation that I provided of The Carmen Christie.

I did I did put a lot of work into it. And I remember one of the things he really appreciated was I really appreciate how you've by your translation. You're emphasizing That the emptying was by taking on the human nature.

So it was making himself an orbitation. It wasn't changing the divine nature but The Sun had to become incarnate to be able to give his life he had to live a true human life and.

So I.

Emphasize that in the translation and so my emphasis came from.

Exegesis.

It came from the biblical text. I wasn't going well Gregory of Nyssa said and so I need to say Well, okay, you know Gregory's Brilliant in many many areas, but not nearly as brilliant as scripture. And so that's why I took the position.

That I did and I'm doing this in defense of the deity of Christ against Unitarians against polytheists, you know all of these types of things that I'm dealing with regular basis. And so Kenosis as I would understand it Involves a fundamental change in the divine nature in The incarnation.

So I had a student once I remember very clearly. In which classroom you're. In a Mill Valley at Golden Gate Baptist Theological Seminary we were. Somewhere in this particular area of discussion and.

I I.

Remember he he said well if if we really believe this one, then we have to believe that that God changed and I remember he and I had quite an interesting back and forth conversation in class over that very issue and I was like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no and He was rather insistent that yes. Yes. Yes, so it was an interesting Thing and I was going no.

There is there is a purpose for the incarnation and that purpose Must be fulfilled. The Sun will do what the Sun needs to do to fulfill that but without ceasing be God. And I said so for example obviously his glory is hidden with the exception of the Transfiguration.

Now one of the problems I've got with Riccardi's list here Glory is just as definitional of the divine being as Omniscience or omnipotence. And so It seems to me that.

The Meaning of Kenosis in Philippians 2

In.

The current situation where we we sort of have people deciding that they get to define these things on their own. There needs to be room to push back and and and go. You really want to go that far. Do you really want to.

Insist in.