Wallace and White

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It's true, then what could you give them before the year 1611? Well, let's let's remember this There's always been a time when there was not a bible

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Prior to the finishing of the old testament text you could say well There was no bible because it wasn't completed

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Prior to the finishing the uh, you know 90 ad prior to the finishing of the new testament text you could say well

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There was no bible. So, you know, what do you do? um, well You could say that for today then couldn't you? Well, I believe that time of the new new niv or the new new american standard there is no complete bible

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Well, that's what uh, that may be what's being inferred. I don't think they're saying that well You're the one who's saying that we have a perfect bible in the king james.

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Absolutely Absolutely. So what did people have for the first 1600 years of the church? They think they had the byzantine text or the traditional text

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Okay, but the byzantine text is not identical with the king james. It's not identical with the tr None of the byzantine manuscripts are identical with each other.

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There's at least six to ten variations Oh, that's true But we're not arguing the same thing you are there's at least six to ten variations per chapter

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For even the closest two manuscripts we have right? So who's got the word of god? Who's got the perfect word of god got it right here.

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What'd you have before 1611? I wasn't there Oh, so it doesn't matter. No, what i'm saying is that is not a prevention

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You could have found what god ones you have In the uh traditional manuscripts in the english.

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It's not exactly like that. Absolutely, but prior to 1611 The the versions that were out were either those of one man say tyndale or one group say the geneva or the bishops

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Um, one of the things I try to point out is that the bible is not a literary work of art It is made for combat.

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It is made for the man in the street the common man When king james, uh authorized the translation not the use in the church

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But the authorized the translation of the king james bible it was not to be used in the church It was to be given to the common man.

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There were uh, you still haven't answered my question What was the perfect word before 1611 was it tyndale's was that perfect?

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No We may not we may not know We may not know what you're really saying.

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There is no perfect word until 1611 We have a promise. Okay, we you may have that promise which I would dispute

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But if you do why is that promise fulfilled in the king james bible? Does it say that in psalm? And the word is preserved.

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Why the king james bible? No, in fact i'm going to say this put the king james against the nib numeric standard new king james

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And uh, every one of them will lose except the king james on what basis on several Uh, one of it is one of them is that the king james bible has been used by god far more than any of these others

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You know one of the things You're going to say sales is success that's typical american mannish neighborhood sales is success sales is success

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That's what gail richards. This is the exact argument. Dr. Gifford was used against erasmus

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The very same argument that you're now presenting Erasmus's opponent said look erasmus.

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The vulgate has been used for 1100 years. God has blessed this text Why if that argument was wrong against erasmus is it now right for you to use it for the king james?