It's Good to Be a Man w/Michael Foster

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We need to talk. It's been a rough ride from a culture bent on burning itself down to attacks from within But by the grace of God, we've been given a moment a chance to make lasting changes

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We can rebuild what's been torn down, but we have to build with what will last the gospel of the kingdom

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This April, let's sit down. Let's talk about what matters And together we'll build something that lasts

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Reformcon 2025 tickets are limited. Lord willing. We'll see you in Tucson Non rockabotis must stop.

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I don't want to rock the boat. I want to sink it Are you gonna bark all day little doggie, or are you gonna bite?

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Delusional is okay in your worldview. I'm an animal. You don't chastise chickens for being delusional You don't chastise pigs for being delusional.

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So you calling me delusional using your worldview is perfectly okay. It doesn't really hurt Come on man

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Desperate times call for faithful men and not for careful men The careful men come later and write the biographies of the faithful men lauding them for their courage

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Go into all the world and make disciples. Not go into the world and make buddies. Not to make brosives, right?

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Don't go into the world and make homies. Right. Disciples. I got a bit of a jiggle neck That's a joke

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When we have the real message of truth, we cannot let somebody say they're speaking truth when they're not

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Be watchful stand firm in the faith act like men be strong Let all that you do be done in Love that of course is 1st

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Corinthians 16 verse 13 Big fan of that verse

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Fitting given the topic today. Yes. I'm excited to get into this conversation here. What's up, everyone?

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Oh, sorry We're gonna say something. I said, let's do it cut you off. Let's go That's little Z's errs to my left right there.

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Hey everyone good to be with you today excited for the show pastor Jeff is patiently waiting for another grandchild to be born so This I'm actually really excited the show came together literally at like two hours ago.

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I think because we were scrambling I'm also glad that I didn't announce last week what we were hoping to do this week.

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Mm -hmm Right now it worked out the threads came together and we have a killer guest on today.

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Yes. I'm excited Not literally, he's a he's a he's got a clear hidden talents to like reciting blackalicious lyrics

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Which we just so on and so forth. So before we started So yes, welcome everyone.

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I will bring our guests on here in a second Quickly we have a lot going on for an abortion.

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Oh, yes we do We are you're like, yes involved right now with bills across the country of Equal Protection and abolition

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The legislative season has started generally goes from January to about May or so We're involved in about 20 states

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Either our own efforts that God has just brought about or things that we are helping others with South Carolina, Texas, Georgia, Ohio, Kentucky Colorado Working on Arizona, North Dakota, Idaho, Idaho a lot of different Opportunities going on God is doing amazing things in bringing

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The cause of justice for the pre -born before legislatures and allowing us to speak prophetically to the culture with this

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So you guys know you've been following this work for years now Feel like God is advancing this cause giving it progress giving it further reach and we're just grateful for all your support and everything you do to allow us to do this

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Because it's really special. It's significant. The church is rising up and just happy to be a part of it still

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Yeah, and there's no excuse. No for us to not accomplish something less this last

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Legislative year in 24 is difficult because seem like all the Republican Pro -life people were like we can't do anything this year because we gotta listen you won the election

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Yeah, so now let's put your money where your mouth is. Yep And again, the the progress too is that you know now you're seeing

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Bills of Equal Protection filed in both House and Senate. Yeah in multiple states that we're working in You know moves being made by legislators to advance it through particular committees and things like that So a lot of exciting stuff.

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Pastor Michael Foster. What's up, brother? Hey guys, how's it going? I got a bit of a cold.

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So I might be coughing on and off through here. I'll do my best It's okay.

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We'll forgive you Thanks. Thank you though. Seriously for jumping on last minute We're I mean it seriously worked out perfect because you had something you just got done with right and we're getting ready to start

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So yeah, I even like last time Michael was here in Arizona, too He wasn't even here having anything to do with apology.

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Uh, but yeah, you know, he well he might have been actually He was at the studio Yeah, that's right.

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He took off and he's like hey hit me up if you want to do something else and so I was like well

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Let's take advantage of that and so we did a it's good to be a man and abortion now

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Collaboration there put that out just a conversation that we had about biblical masculinity and how it relates to the

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Life issue and abortions really enjoyed that conversation. It's up on our channel Take a look a lot of great insight there an application to that injustice and here we are again

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Michael making time for us out of Ohio Yeah, you wrote a book, huh? I did me and my friend

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Non -tenant co -authored it together and I think that was about three years ago published it with Canon and was

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I thought we'd might sell a thousand copies or two thousand and I was excited about that and we sold way more than that and it took off and It's been a fun ride glad to be able to write something that helps some people.

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Yeah, right on Tell us about the for those that aren't familiar with the book tell us, you know What it's what it's about why you wrote it.

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I'm curious actually like what led you into writing that so yeah, so I was a youth pastor for a while and had a fairly large youth group and I'm sure hundreds of kids came through it and Like a decade after that they're calling me up They're in their

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Mid 20s now trying to get married. There's a lot of guys like I'm having trouble connecting with women.

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I'm having trouble, you know finding a suitable spouse all these sorts of conversations that Young people are working through and they're telling me about just how how things have changed so much at first I thought they're just kind of being babies and It's always been rough, but the the

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Internet Really did change dating forever like the the dating apps if you get a look at how people meet each other

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It's shifted from like the number one way people met each other for a long time was through mutual friends but now it's a lot of these marriages are happening almost entirely through connection on dating apps or You hear more and more about people like meetings through playing like video games and they're in those communities or whatever

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But this was in the thick of the the switch that would have been right around 2013 -2014 it was also right around the time that Jordan Peterson started showing up a little bit.

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That's a gaining ground and So suddenly I have these young men that have looked to me

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Listening to Jordan Peterson and then they introduced me to the world of pickup artists, which I knew what the word meant

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But you know, it's not a world, you know, I've been married for a long time. I got a lot of kids

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It's not a world. I I've cared about but uh, so I'm like, why are these Christian men listening to this young in?

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psychologists and these pickup artists So that leads me to the world of the red pill and that words meant a lot of different things over the ages kind of Had a sort of political application but also it referred to the

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Manosphere which was like a collection of blogs and influencers and YouTube channels and reddit and subreddits where they're talking about positive masculinity and In aware of of the evil of feminism, right?

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And it was a real mixed bag, right? Some of that stuff was Helpful practical in a way that you wouldn't find a lot of evangelical churches a lot of evangelical churches are functionally androgynous

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Where like you don't need to be a man or be a woman you need to be godly, right?

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You need to be holy. That's all that matters. But of course like our sexual identity

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Or which our sexuality is who we are as big part. You are either a man or a woman

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That's part of God's good design. So I'm reading all this stuff and I've had a long interest in human sexuality and written on it for a long time and I start thinking

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I'm gonna start addressing this and Then my friend non -tenant he and I argue a lot over Nephilim and stuff just as friends do you know like what's going on man?

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what's like you want to argue about Nephilim and so then I noticed on his blog that he was interacting with some of these ideas at the same time and I started a

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Page on Facebook called. It's good to be a man. The reason that page existed is me and my wife ran We used to run about two miles together in the halfway point.

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We stopped in front of the Goodman's house We're in South Carolina, and I don't know why I'd always just think it's good to be a man when

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I got there I thought that's quite catchy. So it's hilarious. I was told that I named the book

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It's good to be a man to be edgy, but it was actually the opposite It was the opposite was like let's go with something positive

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Not that it's bad to be a woman or why feminism is terrible or anything like that I was like it's good to be a man and it's you tell that we live in a depraved age

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Where it's a zero -sum game if it's good to be a man that means it's bad to be a woman, right? That's a flawed logic.

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So not and I start creating content just little Facebook posts And then we start a podcast and the goal was to have a much more systematic approach to male sexuality, you know

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But as we talked to a lot of these guys We realized it needed to be more of just primer to get the movie in the right direction and it's good to be a man

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Project turned into this book that was like let's talk about how masculine masculinity was kind of lost

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Both spiritually and then culturally at a broad view and then how do we regain it through the gospel?

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and what does that look like once you're born again practically living that out in a holy way and That's how the project came together.

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That's kind of the overall context. So we were speaking to the red pill But we're like a good apologist does you enter in to that worldview and kind of dismantle it

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Here's where it's good. And here's where it falls short of Reality and biblical truth.

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So I think the book is pretty aware that at the very end I told non that I thought this whole man is fear thing was gonna fall apart

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And that we needed to go through and rip out as many of the red pill

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Manusphere references as we could and we did we removed of like 80 % of them and we left a few there that we thought

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Were relevant and I'm glad we did that because it really has blown up in the like the last two years certainly in the last 18 months kind of falling apart and So yeah, that's that's how the project came about We stopped with episode 75 and with the book and kind of on to other things now right on man

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Well, I know it's been a huge blessing. I mean, we're actually going to I just told Michael before we start But we're going through it with our biblical manhood class at church

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So it's been been super encouraging to take the young dudes through that. So Yeah, so yeah,

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I mean I the timing of this worked out well for a number of reasons. There's this seems to be The flavor of the week on X right now at least the last week or so is just every time you open up exits you know somebody's spouting off about biblical masculinity and what they think it looks like and and Andrew Tate whether or not he's a good role model and Which he's not let me be clear.

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He's not and so Yeah, there's just been a lot of stuff and I've seen Michael on there a bunch saying some really balanced things and to me that's that is the crux of the issue is balance and There's a lot of dudes go becoming unbalanced in either direction either

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It's too much focus on the the physical aspect of Being a man or the other side.

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It's too much focus on the spiritual side And I think and I'm gonna let you speak here in a second

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But for me and this is something I've been trying to do with my little show yesterday was easy was constantly attack

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This this conversation what is biblical masculinity look like coming to it balanced, right?

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So So I like to use vote ease for peas so the biblical masculine so Husband a father should be a provider protector priest prophet

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And I feel like that's a very balanced approach and and I like those those

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Four roles because I believe we can they're grounded in a scripture, right? So they're based on biblical principles And I feel anyways,

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I feel like that's a very biblical or balanced approach to biblical masculinity and we'll get more into that But I just want to to lay out that Just kind of start the conversation.

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So I see you nodding Michael. So I want you to jump in there Sure. Well, so we're in a time of correction and Times of correction always have degrees of overcorrection, right?

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Yes. Yes. Benjelum swings a bit too far or whatever and so what I'd urge a lot of people to do is

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To have a little patience with one another So first off let me in defense of older men.

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Let me Give a defense for older men and at the same time maybe

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I give them a few zingers, but We've experienced a cultural tsunami so you've had these waves of destruction come through our culture and really intensely in the late 50s with guys like Alfred Kinsey very evil man, and He created his different reports on human sexuality

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That went on to influence a lot of our educational methods a lot of the ways things are set up in the government

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Whatever those things kind of leaked their way out into the 60s and the 60s a very rough decade a decade where we have birth control introduced towards the very end of the decade hormonal birth control and No fault divorce in California underneath Reagan and all right around 69

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Then as you guys know more than anyone else that was prepping the way for child

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Right for murder, so then through the 70s we have that really take off by the 80s

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We're seeing divorce happen at higher rates than ever before Even in the 80s is pretty rare.

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I'm 44 so it's pretty rare in my Kindergarten class or a first grade class for anyone to have divorced parents

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Maybe two or three kids not not a lot and now that exponentially increases at the same time

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You're having the introduction of Ritalin methylphenol date all these different sort of drugs used to pacify boys and educate young boys like as if they're girls

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I am a homeschooling father, and I gotta tell you like homeschooling

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Like little girls is so much different than like nine -year -old ten -year -old boys that you just want to you know choke sometimes little girls

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It's like daddy look. Here's my homework look what I'm learning Let me recite my homework and my kids are my boys are like can

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I go outside or can I play video games like? The girls are just all attentive, so we're using drugs to kind of pacify boys to make them into little girls

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Divorces breaking down feminism is rising up. You have kind of the The fallout of radical feminism with Shulmith Firestone Betty Friedan all these sort of people and all that's

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Reaching its cultural zenith just as the internet comes Internet's introduced and in the internet as that's introduced you have pornography

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That's easy to get if you wanted porn back in the old days If you if you wanted to have illicit sex you had to go to the bad part of town

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Right Red area or whatever or you had to take the risk to order

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Like something to be sent to your house in a brown paper bag or or you know someone yeah

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Or you had to go to your uncle's house go underneath his bed get the VHS Sneak it out watch it bring it back for uncle figures out or whatever now you could get online

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And and look at look at pornography like now you'd stumble on pornography with ease like And the other thing you have is you have the ubiquity of Cellphones which actually has there's some weird correlation between Girls adopting pornography and the use of cell phones that happens around the same time

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You know that there's something going on there that there's just a real clear correlation

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Correlation is equal causation But that enters in and that's like that's right at the 2000s where you have sexting being something people are talking about Then you have the introduction of e -harmony early harmony was actually very successful at matching people because it was not

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Just about romance in itself, but it was about how much you were alike. It was really qualitative But as you move towards dating apps the dating apps are designed

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To favor women because guys come to them more than anything and and then it that that really changes the nature of dating

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Where it becomes even? more Like I think dating apps in Instagram have done to women what pornography and sports betting has done to men

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Right and so that's all happening right then Okay, so the world that we knew

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I was talking the old Joe Joe Moore craft once on the phone I was I'm gonna Joe and What was telling me he took these young guys out?

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to To where he has breakfast and these young guys he wouldn't introduce him to his his waitress because she's this beautiful You know stunning woman, and he said he brought him out there

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And the guys were like really shy and unwilling to talk to this girl. Who's their same age, and it's like I'm just frustrated.

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I tried and they're on their own now. You know and Joe in his very southern way

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But I think what these older men don't realize is something that was part of your culture has been wiped away

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Right so the tsunami wave came in and it pulled that all out to see Right people men used to know how to make eye contact.

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Yeah, how does ends there used to be a sorted? Social Understanding that got changed the pollution of Erotic sexuality pouring all throughout our culture.

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You know let me just point this out. This seems a little gross I hate to say this, but why exactly do girl mannequins need nipples on them.

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What's that about? I remember when they're their mannequins were mannequins right and then one day it may have been target

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It may have been Coles But I looked at it. I was like why? Why is there a nipple who cares in everything's is the whole pornification of society so here?

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We are men are told that They're bad women, and they should be more like women their minds are corrupted by Pornography they've been drugged up.

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They've been distracted by video games of whatever sort and And then they can't get ahead on dating apps only the top 10 % guys

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This is what they tell themselves at least are getting all the girls or whatever and then these men say you know your problem is you just don't man up and so If you're growing up in there's two different environments here those or men

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Why should they they don't understand that because that's not their environment So guys are hating these old men like well, you should know why

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I never had a friend once that told me That he was really mad at his church He had this autistic daughter

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Who's beautiful and autistic and she was like sleeping two hours a night and waking up and walking out the house and getting out of The locks and all this stuff.

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He was mad that his church didn't understand that and I was like why exactly Do you think your church leadership should understand that I don't understand that I don't have kids that don't sleep during the night and are

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Always trying to escape from the house You know, that's your personal experience. I don't get that. So I think you have two generations or maybe a couple generations had very different Upbringings and in points of reference they're talking past each other

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And in a way that's not been helpful. Yeah, I think that's some of that's what's going on online yeah, and in the in the three peas

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I like three peas like protect preside and protect preside crease provide

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Yeah, right. So those are like, you know, all the all those other things are true, too But I like those and that and you can learn from older people and I wish they would do that But it's kind of a knockout drag out war between people talking past each other

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Yeah, so I'm really I'm not willing to give up on my older mentors I've gotten to where I am because of good boomers and when they say something that like, you know

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You cringe like I've teased my kids all the time, right skibbity toilet, Ohio There's all that nonsense, right anything

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I can do to make them feel uncomfortable They know those terms. Yeah, I don't know any of those.

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I don't even know what those things mean. I don't I mean, I thought good morning King was kind of nerdy when

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I saw everyone saying that and I was like, yeah This will pass too. I've been there. I've done this but I think

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Boomers have helped me greatly I do think there's a lot of people that don't understand

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Just how traumatic it is Growing up in a culture that rips babies up into pieces

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That your first sexual experience is nine years old watching a girl being choked

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And pornography and being drugged her whole life and told that you're bad

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Not just that you're bad and sinful, but you being a man is bad

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There is something wrong with masculinity masculinity matter of fact, it's kind of like uranium, right?

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It's toxic It's bad. And so that's what we're dealing with so I say

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Pull back the rhetoric as much as you can both sides and we should be working together yeah again, so like the devil wants to put the

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Genders or the sexes at odds And he wants to put the generations that are it is the Spirit of God That unites the fathers to the son the sons of the father

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It is only the spirit of of the age and of evil that divides them Yeah, I think that should be the way that should undergird this conversation

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Yeah, and just for clarity correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe you're using the term boomer as an age group not as a pejorative

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Because there's a well I hate that I have to say that but there's a lot of people are now they're throwing that term around like it's a bad thing and It's using it.

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Yeah, so Zoomers, I look at Millennials as the weakest generation

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I've ever seen my entire life. I mean, they're Sorry, that's all right except for Zack And then

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I look at this younger generation and right that's rising up and they're not PCA at all They seem really driven and motivated but every generation is going to have its kind of sets of sins that outer

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Circumstances thrust upon them their own weaknesses and one way to think about it there's granddad will have problems that he'll have to repent to dad about and Dad will have to repent to you son and son grandson

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You'll have to repent to them each generation is gonna have their their faults and problems or whatever

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So if we're speaking about broad generalities across generations, I think it's helpful, you know but I have people that say okay boomer to me and They're just idiots and I don't take a person and they don't they're talking about so I'm just because the boomer generation really at the height of Post -war

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American culture where there's we have a great financial system marriage was still celebrated

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This is for abortion and really wrecked us That was a good time in America and these people resent them for that.

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Isn't that the good time? Something like that you want to give to your own children and look we all play the hands that God Dealt deals to us, you know, and it will have plenty to repent about so you can hate on boomers

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But I'm just thinking I'm gonna prepare I'm gonna try not to make the same mistakes and be ready to repent to my own children.

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I Helpful way to provide balance because that's what you see in the conversations that are happening online and elsewhere is a talking past each other and You know you have the older generation

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That has their own You know I think way that they're talking past the youngers and vice versa and the question becomes like how do we reconcile this like?

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the young men that are really really left with this vacuum that the

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Culture has filled for them and the Absalom's of this world as Michael talks about in his book like You you want to relate and be sympathetic towards their unique struggles that are present in this generation

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So that has to be there and at the same time they have to be called Upward and to rise above it but in a way that's sympathetic to their struggles

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Also, not just telling them to To get lost because they don't know what real struggle actually is like this generation had to endure you guys have it

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So well, you know, I think some of it discounts some of the historical context that Michaels laying down here but at the same time

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You have the tendency again the overcorrection on the other end of the spectrum for the younger generation to say

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Well, you guys ruined everything you handed us a broken world. You didn't take your responsibility and leave us anything

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You're the problem. And so step aside. We're gonna step in we're gonna be assertive and we're gonna take over this now

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And we don't need you. Thanks for nothing, right? And so you kind of have this disrespectful

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Even in some extreme cases entitled, right? So they're they're they're wanting something that you know, necessarily they haven't necessarily put in the work to achieve and acquire so as I think about this too,

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I think about There is a vacuum that has been filled by the world because there's been an absence of Some of the godly masculinity modeled and that's where you get to transition to this now

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The Andrew Tate's of the world the manosphere, you know, the the red pill because men are starved for that practical instruction, right?

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They're looking to have the principles Modeled out of how to live what we would call this gendered piety right in the

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Christian Church It's like okay, it's a little androgynous here and we don't know, you know, these sex specific

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Ways to live out our God -given design and we're not seeing these examples. We're actually seeing an effeminate

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Church So now we're not getting it here We're gonna turn towards these people that do relate to our struggles that we think are willing to listen to us

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And Mike I'd love to have you talk just for a minute about in Scripture The Absalom's that are willing to do that and are willing to take these young men and sort of pat them on the shoulder so one of the in Scripture in Hebrews We're told that a father who cares about even an ungodly father or an unbelieving father

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Disciplines the son that carries his name, right? For any does it for you as seems best to him and God disciplines us

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Likewise and part of our chastening is proof that we belong to the Lord that he cares about us

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So discipline is a form of love and the discipline of a benevolent father is one of the most formative things you could ever have in your life evidence of that is through the first 14 chapters of Proverbs over and over again

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Solomon says my son my son. Give me your heart listen to my teaching, right? And it's so much of it's like don't be a fool be wise receive correction

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Listen to your mom on and on and on and as a dad, I correct my kids all the time.

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I have hard conversations Discipline is pain you bring into your children's life

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Sometimes it's a swat on the butt But sometimes it's telling them things they don't want to hear and a dad is willing to say those hard things if you grow up without a dad without being properly disciplined

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You're going to have resentment towards your father You don't fully understand or if your father

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Falls fall short of whatever now in modern culture that tends to produce either the feminine man who adopts really

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The attributes that would be attractive in his mother, but are not attractive in him, right?

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Men deal with things much more directly than women that's natural If a woman says it sure is cold in here, that's woman forget me a blanket

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And guys say give me a blanket. That's when we say, you know guys are very direct. It's very content

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Linear sort of speech where women are more contextual kind of spinning around speech and both are make a lot of sense given

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What they're trying to do not neither is different nonetheless guys that they'll adopt that sort of a feminine hide behind Hide behind another guy instead of being the one to race out there like if A woman wakes up in the middle night and there's a bump downstairs

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The husband doesn't say hey, will you go see what that is? Right? That's not that's what a man's supposed to do

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So there's that a feminine then there's the macho which is this flip side When he doesn't really know what it means to be a man.

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So he looks from all far off at sort of cultural avatars of masculinity whether it's

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Dirty Harry or Andrew Tate or whatever Depending on that age bracket and then he acts that out and it's very cardboard is very exaggerated so feminine men macho men in that context are kind of like two sides of the same coin and it's because they did not have a

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Father who knows how to demonstrate strength under control, right? Gentle, yeah meekness.

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So gentle is a very important like thing that a man has to understand because we're powerful we're big and strong and That's why you can have like a guy like Zuby go out there and beat

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The world champion deadlift for a woman like it's nothing, you know, I mean, we're just bigger so gentleness is the appropriate use of strength in the context if I Just toss a bag of potatoes in the back of my minivan.

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I'm that is gentle. They're potatoes They'll be fine. If I throw a lamp in there the same way that's not gentle, right?

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So guys have to learn how to use strength How to use their presence and all that you learn that mostly through examples

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If you don't have a dad that's giving a good example and correcting you You don't have that and that leads to a sort of resentment towards your father when we look at Absalom He has a dad who is pretty good

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King a pretty good warrior, but a really bad at Disciplining family members.

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All right It's his sons or even Joab, right think of it's like what Joab was a huge trouble especially towards the end of his life, so then

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Absalom has a real legitimate beef with his dad due to the sexual abuse of the sister and that grows into a deep resentment towards his dad and he decides that he's going to Steal his father's kingdom and he's gonna sit outside and anyone that comes in at the at the gates

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He's like tell me your case. I got your back I care about you and not like the other guys and then that leads to stealing the hearts of the young men away and Then he's able to he's gonna take over the entire

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Kingdom and what's interesting in these spiritual Absalom's? The Sun version that resents her dad not disciplining them to get their dad's kingdom.

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They have to kill him They think that kingdom belongs to them and it should just be handed over Right, and so it absolutely have example of two things when you have an example of someone that steals the hearts away from people

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By pretending to have their cause that's who Andrew Tate is, right? Yeah, um, and I think that's who a lot of these influencers are

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Guys, like Jordan Peterson early on certainly loved Cared about young men these days.

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It's so hard to know what that guy he's just Influenced celebrity is really a corrosive force

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But another thing I see is that there's a whole group of young men that have not been disciplined by their fathers and they have this patricidal sort of patricidal excuse me

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Inclination that to get the kingdoms to get the kingdom. They have to kill their father And so it was very fascinating to watch

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How much hatred Doug? Wilson and James White has gotten on Twitter the last couple months.

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Someone's like you care to comment on it I was like, I would not I would

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I would like to I have a lot of other things to do but I will comment it on here Because I didn't get much of that.

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Hey now, what's the difference? Well, I'm 44. I'm like an older brother I'm like an older uncle or something like that And I understand the world a little bit better but Doug and James have been sort of pictures of fatherhood to these men and When they're they don't feel like their father gets them that builds up a lot of resentment

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But in some of these men, I think there's a sense a sort of absolomic drive to Sit down dad.

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It's time to give me the keys. Okay, right now listen It may be time for a member of the older generation to sit down That doesn't mean those keys belong to you

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Okay, like one of my big drives in life is to raise up a successor and retire before I don't know what it is about men

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But they reach a certain age and they they get bumpy. I'll just say I've dealt with it in multiple organizations

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And so as I look at what's going on, I see the Absalom like Tate Really saying look what they took from you and I'm for you and ready ready

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Like the look that what they took from you is such a sort of embittering You know,

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I guess if it's like if we're gonna take it back I get it but all this embittering stuff they embitter people towards their father and that takes the that like brings out the worst in Men that have him in discipline and they're like I'm gonna destroy you if you don't give it to me

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I'm gonna destroy I'm gonna take you down and so that's a lot of the weird cultural play what

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I hate about Twitter With this whole thing is everyone so reductionistic like reducing this down to Like Tate bad, they won't even ask why

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Tate appeals to young men. Yeah Well, it's just because young men like hot women in cars, okay

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Why why do young men did is that a new thing to take create that in young men? You're like young men have liked beautiful women in cars for a long time.

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Why do they like cars? Well, it's a status symbol. Well, I like beautiful women because they're pretty and God made us to like the opposite sex so what's happening is you're seeing people accentuate some natural desires that have been twisted by sin and using that to market

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Themself to to get into your pocket, right? And that's what Tate is. Tate has been a bunch of things

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That's always shifting right first. He was when it was the math masculinity height of the red pill days

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He's super crude and all that and that was really selling at that time and now as as as things are kind of becoming more about let's reclaim the

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West and Tradcath and he's like this sort of more Moralistic he's changed his his pitch, right?

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So, uh, he's a salesman He's a charlatan But some of the things he taught talks about resonates with men

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Because they're masculine desires that have been twisted by sin It is not wrong to want to make money because it is not wrong to want to provide for others

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Sure, right seek to be rich you seek to be productive, right? It is not wrong to want to have a beautiful life

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It is wrong to want to have beautiful women, right? So it is not wrong to want to have status because it's a good thing to aspire

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To the office of heller It's a good thing to aspire to status and use power for the good of others in the glory of God But all this is like it's all being twisted and then there's the the game that people play the contact content farming

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Rage bait on Twitter that people fall fall for and that's kind of what's going on Twitter The main thing to remember as I go on a rant, the main thing to remember is

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Twitter is not real The Eastern Orthodox Church is growing but it's not this huge growth like you think it is on Twitter, right?

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Oh, I hear all these guys You guys are alienating all the young men a lot of these guys are like in their late 20s early 30s

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Like since when is that young man? Yeah, it is a sense Yeah, but you like these aren't like 20 year olds and also guys

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I don't think you I think you there's not a lot of reformed young men period

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Like the largest reformed denomination in America is the PCA and that's a little about what 350 to 400 ,000 people that's not even a percent of America It's not even a percent.

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This is a very small Echo chamber on Twitter, right? You got it as the kids said touch grass right to figure out what's going on.

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So, I don't know. There you go No prep. I hope that's No, that was in there super helpful,

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I really appreciate that and for the record we are, you know We're being accused of gaslighting for mentioning Andrew Andrew Tate's like no where we brought

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I brought him up I'm the one that brought him up because that's the name getting thrown around on X every time

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What's the gaslighting? How are we gaslighting talking about Andrew Tate? I don't understand because Apparently we're gaslighting because we're saying that people are promoting him as and I no one's ever said that I just said

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He's not a good role model. That's all it is. So I didn't accuse anyone of promoting him as a good role model So what's going on is people statement?

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good people are Not promoting Andrew Tate the man, but they are promoting aspects of his message and not carefully explaining that Now we grew up during the gospel centered times in a world of nuance where people would nuance things to didn't mean anything

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It doesn't mean Nuance doesn't matter. The Bible says there is no God The fool in his heart says there is no

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God right you have to properly qualify things and But qualified statements.

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I do them all time Qualified statements don't get engagement, you know when

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I qualify things on Twitter And so people are being really sloppy it in what they're saying and there are people out there that aren't willing

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To just say yeah, Andrew Tate's a bad dude, but this message aspects of it relate, right?

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I had to I basically said I had some of these unreasonable people on the other side Come at me because I said look

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I had a lot of young homeschool kids Bring up Andrew Tate to me and I basically said yeah feminism is poison now

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Let me show you the biblical way and they and they these guys said to me. Well, why are you bringing up Andrew Tate?

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I'm not bringing up Andrew Tate. Well, how do they even know about Andrew Tate because they have the internet?

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Well their parents shouldn't have given the internet. Well, they have neighborhood kids too that have phones Well, I just don't think they should see

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Andrew Tate. Well, so what they have there's billions of views Well, isn't there another way to talk about the good of biblical masculinity rather than bringing up Andrew Tate brother?

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I didn't bring up Andrew Tate. I said he's right that feminism is poison Let me show you what the

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Bible means. So that's the flip side other people where if Jeffrey Dahmer If Jeffrey Dahmer tells you not to kill people that doesn't make killing people right because he

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Right Andrew Tate saying something, right? It's still right But they're not willing to say

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Andrew Tate's wrong in areas because they think that's some sort of compromise And it doesn't have to be

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I don't know that makes no it doesn't and I appreciate that and in factless cowboy He's gonna make of these comments. Let me let me clarify what

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I was saying Because I didn't have your thing right in front of me he's saying that were I were accusing people of defending

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Andrew Tate and What I'm saying is that I'm seeing a lot of people saying well

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You know He what you literally just said Michael like he's saying good things here here and here and so that's you know

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Attracting Christian men because these things that you saying are good, you know But like you said, they're not willing to completely denounce the man for all the awful awful things

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He's saying this seems to be a trend on a number of levels the last few months whether it's you know

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Anti -semites, I'm not gonna I don't really try not to go down that road But my point is there seems to be a trend of this lately of well this guy, you know,

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Corey Maynard I'll bring him up. We've talked about him stone choir, you know, they say some really good things here about history

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You know but we're gonna ignore the really awful things that he's saying also and so there it troubles me when we're

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We're willing to defend guys for some good things they say but not completely denounce them when they're actually really evil vile people

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And that's that's what we're getting at. And again, I brought the name up because it's been all over X the last two weeks

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It's the only reason I brought his name up. I'll be honest. I've never watched anything in Andrew Tate's Okay, so I I don't know

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I'm leaning on Michael right now because Michael obviously is very knowledgeable about some of the stuff he's saying So I and so I you know,

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I've seen some things he said but I've never sat down actually watching any of his videos Yeah, but there's there's a there's a theme here right that we're trying to address.

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Yeah. Yeah, we Go ahead. I was just gonna say to you know in regards to his worldview, which is taken several shifts depending upon its influences and kind of Reinventing itself as his, you know focuses are changing now.

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He's professing to be a Muslim. Yeah, so You know his perspective on life can't be divorced from his fundamental worldview, too

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And that's also how we have to think about these things too is the people that are influencing our young people like we have to be willing to take apart their worldview also and examine it and Educate our youth and to say yeah

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These things are attractive to young men for a reason and not just because they're inherently sinful like as it's been pointed out

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These things aren't inherently sinful. It's not wrong for a man to have ambition

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It's not wrong for him to want to get strong and to perform well and to excel at his craft or his work

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It's not wrong for him to want to have a wife. These are natural desires that are good The problem is because someone has a different worldview that is fundamentally antithetical to the

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Christian worldview and the gospel that will always be Corrupted and polluted and perverted into something that is unrecognizable and destructive

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We recognize we recognize it in the sense that it doesn't have a good end. Like it won't end up Andrew Tate is is going to take you to an end that you don't want to go to right even though He is by common grace

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Stumbling over things that are natural to what men and males desire

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Yeah, right Even though that is an aspect of what God created us to be as image bearers, you know

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To fill to subdue to take dominion over the earth to multiply all of the Genesis things

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That's what we have to understand is that he doesn't share your foundations at all

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And that is not taking you to a place that you want to go. Hence why we need good Godly Christian men to walk out these virtues because as Michael says in his book, there's one thing

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I appreciate about what you said Though these things be natural that the Absalom's are modeling.

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They that does not make them virtuous Maybe you can fill that out of a sec No you go so so homosexuality is

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Sinful and unnatural, right? So it's that's one of the arguments Paul makes against it goes against nature

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It's actually not present in nature that you'll hear people say that but it that's usually a way of showing dominance

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It's not merely lust or something like that in animals. It's unnatural Heterosexuality is always natural.

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It's natural and like a man is made for a woman a woman is made for a man Heterosexual sex is natural in that right parts are going the right places and it will achieve the design

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At least at the level of procreation for which it was made But that doesn't mean all heterosexual or all heterosexual sex is good, right it's only like there's

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That act in marriage is good and natural that act

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Outside of marriage is still natural in the set in that sense, but it's evil because it's being used outside of its purpose

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So it's like fire fire is good inside the walls of an engine or in a fireplace

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That's where it belongs you take the fire out of the fireplace burns the whole house down, right and so You have to understand there are things that are natural like patriarchy

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Patriarchy men have been in charge the whole time and they still are But by and large so that is a natural thing and it's inevitable and you can't avoid it

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Does that mean all patriarchs are good? Well, of course it doesn't because one patriarch we have that is a patriarch in the sense that he models asserted fatherhood is the devil

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He's the father of lies. We have evil patriarchs like Pharaoh So these what they're the fact that they rule is natural

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But that doesn't mean the way that they rule is godly And and so that's I think that's where a lot of this conversation goes wrong.

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Is that we're not able to interact with like natural desires

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And call them like it's good that a man would desire a woman But he has to desire for the right purposes in the right way, but that he feels attraction like testosterone

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That makes men more aggressive is not a product of the fall, right? But it is it is one of the reasons 80 % of all violent offenders are men is

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Because we have testosterone and it makes you more aggressive. That's like part of it men aren't more fallen, but there's a design difference

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Well that that aggressiveness When channeled and aim the right way by the grace of God is a glorious thing for building things from protecting

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For having bold preaching of the gospel and leadership and all that. And so as I'm watching these conversations

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If we could just kind of hold intention The fact that there that grace does restore

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Nature doesn't obliterate it and it doesn't Lift it above its original design like you would kind of have in a more of Eastern Orthodox way of thinking and but it does restore it and That's being used in kind of playful ways online right now to say something other than what it means

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But I've seen that this bubble. It's very helpful, you know, yeah No, I appreciate that very very much and I will say it's crazy because when did you say you wrote the book about three or four?

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years ago, I Yeah, that's about the time Actually was three years ago.

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It's Bob time. I started noticing Men in our own church and it's the same demographic right? It's dudes like mid 30s ish into the 20s saying hey

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We need help. I need I need more Discipleship, I need to know how to be a better dad and father

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And so like for the record like I see it it's there You know, I personally have been doing my best the last three years to address this in my own in my own body and now

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I'm trying to do it, you know, like I said through yesterday was easy like I see it and and the thing is We need to Address it with good biblical examples, right?

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Yeah, that's that's the whole thing. We're trying to get to here as we can't And I understand why dudes are attracted to entertain

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I get that but we need to respond and say this is These are the biblical principles we should be abiding by these are the examples look at these men in Scripture This is who we should be emulating or even men that we know

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That may be boomers, right? I know a lot boomers That are fantastic golly men

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I've learned a lot from and I want to be more like them right like so we should be promoting them and what we shouldn't be saying is

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You know, like you were saying like like you're a boomer. Shut up Like and I'm seeing a lot of that and I'm seeing this well the reason that men are attracted to Andrew Tate is because There's no one in the church.

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That's it's like no stop. Why would you say that's not true kind of those broad and yes Yes, and so People telling me that I like I've been quiet about these issues

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I haven't been involved and since when have I ever spoken on parental rights and the problem with no -fault divorce

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Before almost everybody in this conversation. I was actively online talking about that now

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I don't want some pat on the back but I've been in this conversation for a long time and I've I've been pushing those things out and I haven't been talking about him as much lately because I am a pastor and I have all sorts of responsibilities

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I'm a bivocational pastor and just because I'm not engaging in all the hot trends But it's hilarious to have some person come on And say well, what do you know about about speaking publicly about feminism, especially it's in a non account, which

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I'm like look I'm fine with you having an anonymous account, but I'm out here putting my neck out publicly and that's a choice

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I've made and I can live with it. But a lot of these guys just don't know. Here's some notes.

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I took for a category of I don't know. This has ever been released, but I'll walk you through it

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So I have this category of men that I call alpha gurus, that's not what I call them and I'm gonna so Alpha gurus are pseudo fathers who posture themselves as heroic figures to whom you owe your life or at least your unquestioned loyalty

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After all before you came to them you were lost and or confused or so they think and act right?

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I call them alpha gurus because they posture themselves as models of masculine masteries

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And maybe they do have some masculine skills, but they lack the mindset and ambitions of a father

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Fathers want you to master yourself Alpha gurus want to master you Fathers discipline you towards your good alpha gurus discipline you towards their goals

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Fathers want you to grow into a peer and eventually even eclipse them An alpha guru wants you to remain a devotee and never outdo them in anything

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Fathers want you to be your own man on your own mission that is keeping with the discipline and ethics that they've passed on to you namely scripture

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Alpha gurus want you to be one of their guys who help them manage their mission to which they've called you

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Fathers use their gravitas to stabilize and launch the next generation into new frontiers for the glory of god

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Alpha gurus gravitas is more like a gravitational pull Of a black hole that pulls you into it

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So we need fathers than alpha gurus that's What's the difference between these guys? They're not fathers.

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They're not fathers. No, there's no fathers in the church guys get off The internet a little bit

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Like i'm not talking down to you. I'm not a boomer. I'm telling you right now So many good pastors are just busy being pastors.

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They don't have a podcast I've been podcasting because it's exhausting Like I can't keep up with all that stuff and I want to produce good content, but i've taken a long break because i'm like I Kind of sick of all of it

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And I'd rather be a real shepherd and I have all these guys telling me

01:00:00

Oh young men are doing terrible and they're not able to get married Look, I believe that at a general level, but I I we are having wedding after wedding at east river

01:00:09

And we're having lots of babies. There's kids everywhere Right, and these men are building their careers and they're doing awesome things.

01:00:17

I was out there at phoenix I visited mark's church driscoll's church and I see what's happening over there

01:00:23

I've never been to a service at your guy's church, but there's good stuff happening everywhere even in no -name churches with good men and People say well, it's hard to find good churches

01:00:34

You have my sympathies that is very true as an age of apostasy an age of compromise, but don't let the internet

01:00:42

Misery merchants of misery black Right black pill you into believing that they're the only ones that can help you.

01:00:51

They're the only voice That you can trust it's not true. It's a lie from the devil.

01:00:57

Anyone that does that is an absalom They're an alpha guru. They're using you You are the prey.

01:01:03

They are the predators. I will tell you as someone who kills predators for living as a shepherd

01:01:09

Um that there are a lot of good men out there And we just have to keep pulling these guys back.

01:01:15

You just have to ride out their anger It's just like a good dad rides out the anger of a son talking down to him online is not gonna help

01:01:23

That's that's your replies not mine. I'm not gonna deal with that, but that's where we're at right now

01:01:29

Man, I I appreciate that. I know you you only got a few more minutes Uh, how much how many minutes you have left because I want to bring up something else 20.

01:01:37

I can do. Okay so one one last thing we'll close on here because this is Uh something that drives me nuts.

01:01:44

I've been talking to or talking about a lot as well and I wore this shirt on purpose today like There is a major issue with victimhood within um this this

01:01:56

We I mean i'm not gonna say it's not boomers aren't guilty as well. Like again, i'm not saying that as a pejorative uh

01:02:03

Feckless cowboy. No, I disagree with what you said um, it's being used as a pejorative and that's why

01:02:09

Men of that age range are upset um, but um like This demographic i'm seeing this as a major major problem.

01:02:17

I've talked about this a lot. It's like It's just this, you know, well, hey brother. You shouldn't be you know, why aren't you denouncing andrew tate?

01:02:25

Stop gaslighting me I how's that gaslighting? Hey, um, why aren't you denouncing?

01:02:30

Corey mailer stop attacking me. You're attacking me. They're attacking him It's like can we stop using that word when you have men that have been around for a long time that have a

01:02:40

Long track record of loving jesus of being solid pastors and theologians and they're out of concern saying hey, man

01:02:47

I think the direction you're heading is not good Why aren't you doing this?

01:02:52

This is not good. I'm concerned about you. I love you. I'm concerned you're attacking me Stop attacking me and and it's just straight victimhood and i'm i'm

01:02:59

Sick of it to be honest like we like I keep saying this it's like christian men if you have a victim card

01:03:05

Like pull it out your wallet and go burn it right now and never use it again And it goes all the way back to the garden.

01:03:10

It starts there with adam, right? He beats the fruit Adam immediately pulls his victim card, right?

01:03:18

What was the woman the woman you gave me like dude? That's where it starts. And if we want to be if we want like true

01:03:24

Uh biblical masculine in your lives get rid of your victim card i'm done michael take it

01:03:32

Um, so there people

01:03:42

Have been victimized But that doesn't mean you get to stay a victim and that's true of any sort of sin that's been committed towards you.

01:03:52

Okay? Um, you're gonna have to move past that And that doesn't mean that's not something that shapes you it does

01:04:00

Um, I grew up in a broken home I grew up very poor like exceedingly poor um,

01:04:06

I struggled financially all into really my late 30s and uh

01:04:11

And it's been a hard go and Uh, there's things I wasn't taught by my dad which he's apologized to me for and i've forgiven him because I uh

01:04:21

My dad my grandfather was a cult leader and a real bad guy and uh beat my beat my dad.

01:04:28

Um And my dad gave me what he got He didn't have a lot but he gave it to me and he he was messed up in himself and You know,

01:04:37

I grew up around alcoholism gambling molestation somehow

01:04:43

I avoided that directly but some of my close relatives were molested by other relatives um

01:04:50

When you grow up in a broken situation, it does shape who you are But that doesn't give you permission to stay a victim, right?

01:05:00

Like if you especially if you want to build something for the next generation. Yeah, like god is a master at bringing beauty from ashes and I One of my favorite shows that em and I were watching for a bit is where they come in And there's these old barns that are like almost breaking

01:05:16

And they go in there and they take all the old wood because the old wood is way better than modern wood

01:05:21

It's like this high class and then they take the wood and they use it to build like some new house or whatever

01:05:27

And I think that's how god is god takes this old wood and makes it into something new and beautiful And I think what these guys have to understand is that Even though you maybe did grow up in a broken home or a broken society and it has cost you a lot.

01:05:44

Um Sitting in the ashes. That's your decision You decided to do that, right?

01:05:51

Um, and i'll have so many of these people say well you just got lucky or like There's not there's not a lot a lot of women out there like emily

01:05:59

Uh, she's special and I love her but she was a difficult woman to be married to like I was difficult too

01:06:05

But that that chick could get angry, right? And I remember arguing with her i'm like so did jesus die on the cross for you or did you not sin?

01:06:13

Right like getting emily to commit like to confess to a sin in our early marriage

01:06:19

Was it was hard man, and we fought like cats and dogs But slowly but surely the sanctifying grace of god

01:06:28

Worked in us and we grew I grew as a man. It was a father. She grew as a Woman as a wife.

01:06:34

We we worked things out. We figured out how to budget we did these things It was a rough ride man

01:06:40

And I so i'll tell tell you guys the listeners and You guys

01:06:45

I suppose as well is that Okay You're a victim of something real

01:06:51

Now what? Now, what are you gonna do? You're gonna let this be who you are the rest of your life

01:06:57

You know, you think it's gonna get easier just talking about all the time You know i've had bad things happen to me

01:07:04

And you see this I remember when my I had a daughter die And I just my mind kept coming back to it constantly in that first year or so And I couldn't it was like haunting me all the time and you'd bring it up it's weird

01:07:18

It's a weird thing to bring up all the time and eventually Uh, I was able to move past it.

01:07:23

I still love her. I care about her I can't wait to meet her in heaven all that sort of stuff, but these guys The way

01:07:29

I think about it Is I think about this valley. It's like a valley you walk down into and walk out you can walk out of And that's how grief and pain is it's a dark valley you walk into and you'll meet people

01:07:42

Down at the bottom of the valley and these people are experts About the valley they know all about his darkness.

01:07:49

They'll say oh that's happened to you. That's happened to me, too Once you set up camp with us and they'll keep you at camp, right?

01:07:56

That's not what you do You walk through the valley of the shadow of death, right you peer over the edge

01:08:03

And you see that light over there and you'll think that these guys are experts in the pain of men experts in the evil of feminism

01:08:11

Are are there to help you they are if they're leading you out But if they're getting you to set camp up in there, they are your enemies

01:08:19

Right. They are they're selling misery to you. They're co -miserating with you and I can remember

01:08:25

We would meet these people had also lost children and And they only wanted to talk about their pain and em and I Had pain we wanted to process it

01:08:36

But we wanted to move on because we had other kids and we wanted to have more children And we had to move past death through grief and we'd see people just get stuck there

01:08:45

They just want to talk about this one woman sent me an email and she said Oh, i've been reading your blogs and you're so helpful

01:08:52

I also lost a son and I go to his grave every day and I was thinking that's a little intense

01:08:58

So then I go look I follow the link that she said in the email and her son died like 20 years ago

01:09:05

She's been going to her son's grave every day for 20 years that is not healthy

01:09:10

So what i'd say to any of you guys that have been victims of things Like you have to move past it

01:09:15

Don't set up camp In the dark bottom of the valleys with people that tell you that that this is all there is there isn't

01:09:22

There is more god by his grace Makes new that's what god does he makes such were some of you such some of you are whiners, right?

01:09:31

Such some of you were babies, but you move past You know, and so I think Where we're at right now requires the ability to love

01:09:43

And identify with real things and say yeah I hear you. That's true. However, we still have to keep moving forward and twitter

01:09:53

Is not a place where that's easy to accomplish. It's a dumpster fire. Honestly. It's like and we'll in your

01:10:00

I only recently got an ex count because people were sending me all these links and I couldn't read them.

01:10:08

So I was like, all right, so i've been i've been fighting that for years. So I finally got it It's just I hate it so much.

01:10:14

I hate it. It's like it's just it's literally like uh, like nd wilson described it as um, somebody giving a bunch of 13 year olds sharpies

01:10:24

And you're reading the bathroom stall walls in a junior high school Like that's like literally what it feels like sometimes it's just so junior high at times like goodness gracious Can we all like please act your age and grow up a little bit?

01:10:36

Um, but anyways, it's an algorithm. It is an algorithm for sure for sure remember. Yeah for sure is that Yeah, sometimes you have to ask

01:10:43

I asked I was thinking this the other day I was getting all this weird like movie facts and you're like, right.

01:10:49

Yeah What did I click on what have I done to deserve it, you know, and but what i'd say

01:10:58

Is there are a lot of good people out there doing great stuff um Twitter is best for leaders to connect with twitter is the marketplace of ideas

01:11:08

Instagram is where you reach your friends Facebook is where you get an argument with someone you went to sixth grade with um and uh

01:11:18

So but but twitter is a place to debate ideas the signal boost but It's really hard to have meaningful conversations

01:11:28

Due to the limit of it and right now That's where some of the a lot of people have drifted that I think are more animations issue

01:11:36

And it's just remember this is a great exaggeration. It is not what it seems to be.

01:11:41

I know it's not I travel extensively I'm i'll be in tucson in a few days.

01:11:47

I'm always somewhere, right? And it's not like that. There's good stuff happening and I know you guys have been at the brunt of this fight um

01:11:57

We're not going to do the tate declaration, are we? No, uh that never happens

01:12:03

I think hopefully after this week we'll be on to the next thing so that's all right I think that's fair to say so But yeah, i'm

01:12:09

I think there's good stuff, but like i'm very excited about the future We'll push through this.

01:12:14

There'll be good men that'll say you know what? I once was like you I once was angry and I was angry about real things

01:12:20

But by the grace of god i've gotten over that and look of what i've done Look what like praise the lord you can do this too.

01:12:26

That's what we need more of I appreciate that man. Seriously. I'm so thankful for you being on today anything you want to add. No, that's

01:12:32

Just good stuff man a lot to meditate on All right, man. Well, I appreciate you brother. I'm working people go find your stuff get your book

01:12:39

Whatever you want This is google. It's good to be a man. I'm sure it'll come up somewhere and uh, i'm on twitter kind of This is boss.

01:12:49

You're hilarious, bro. He's just like man. Just file use google. He'll fight It is it is he's got his own website he's just like yeah, whatever

01:12:56

I love it, dude I appreciate that you're gonna take yourself. Wait at all too seriously. So thank you. We need we need more of that for sure

01:13:03

Um, but hey, man, I appreciate it. Hey, if you you should come to tucson in april to reform con No, no, there's there's no ending to conferences my friend

01:13:14

I just thought I'd throw it he's like reform cod 20 25 April 24 26 michael's like I only got one trip to tucson and me and that's it man

01:13:22

You only want to go there once I don't appreciate you guys I appreciate you. Thank you so much. Let me uh, spend some time with you guys.

01:13:29

Yeah, man I appreciate the you're working in ohio, right with us for the uh, yeah protection

01:13:35

We'll destroy it. We'll make their life miserable until they stop going babies. We'll find a way. Amen.

01:13:40

I love it All right, brother. We'll we'll uh talk Soon ish sometime who knows?

01:13:46

Yeah. Thanks for being so gracious with your time. Appreciate you bro. Hope you feel better, man Thank you. Take care. God bless

01:13:52

All right. So let's uh, let's just close this out then here and we will have an after show for all you all accessors

01:13:58

Oh, there was a um There was a question. Um, let me pull that up.

01:14:05

What do we got? In the comments. Yeah, it was uh, super chat. It's uh

01:14:12

Greeting brothers from from judoka 512. Would you please explain the millennium from a reform point of view?

01:14:18

Please bless y 'all the millennium like revelation I'm assuming that's what that means and there's not necessarily only one reform

01:14:24

No, that's what I was gonna that's what I was thinking is, you know If you want to formulate a response to this there are differing views on when the millennium is

01:14:33

Whether it's literal Figurative, but it comes from revelation chapter 20 so the positions on that,

01:14:41

I mean you have the pre -millennial position um that sees it as something in the future to come and you know more of the idea that it's a literal thousand years or some perspectives more like Ours that are the the partial preterist perspective.

01:15:00

Um within the post -millennial camp that See it as something that um

01:15:07

Is more symbolic of a number A thousand right scripture uses that language

01:15:14

God owns the cattle on a thousand hills for example Um, and then, you know, um millennialism has its own perspective about uh the millennium but It just depends on where you fall in your eschatology

01:15:27

Um, you know as to whether you believe we're in it right now um, or if it's an actual uh rain that lasts literal a thousand years so depending on your eschatological perspective, that's what's going to Determine where you fall on that how you answer certain questions will determine where you land of course, we would say the correct answer is the post -millennial position

01:15:54

Listen i douglas wilson says this a lot but revelation 20 is is notorious for being

01:16:00

The passage about the thousand years of peace that christians love to fight about. Yeah, you know, um

01:16:06

Which he always gets a chuckle out of he thinks It's really funny. It is funny, but I don't

01:16:14

Take too much stock and that being where I would go to show people my position right, um because it's

01:16:21

Let's be honest. It's really not that abundantly clear Revelation 20. I think it's one of those passages that there's a reason that christians have argued about it for so long um, but You know, we'd point to other places the olivet discourse we'd point to Certain language and the prophets that talk about the progress of the gospel in the world um, you know the new testament epistles that Build on the expectation and arrival of the messiah and what the mission of the church is

01:16:47

So those are I I would more go gravitate towards those passages um to Explain what my view is on the future

01:16:57

And Revelation 20, you know, I don't not that I think it's unimportant. I just think that Um, that's a passage that I think is less clear.

01:17:07

Yeah Well you answered that way better than I would have so thank you um We're gonna we're gonna end the show here.

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