July 13, 2020 Show with Gary L Scott & Zach Maxcey
July 13, 2020
Gary L Scott, Itinerant Sovereign Grace Baptist evangelist & founder of CrossTheatre.org, &
Zach Maxcey, President of Providence Theological Institute of New Covenant Theology, who will both address:
“NEW COVENANT THEOLOGY: It’s Similarities & Differences With Covenant Theology, Dispensationalism & Progressive Covenantalism”
Transcript
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And I'm delighted to have on two men who I have had the privilege of sharing
a good deal of time of fellowship with, especially in
Franklin, Tennessee, not so long ago for a recent conference where I
served as the moderator for the audience Q &A.
But one of these gentlemen I've known for many years going back to the early
1990s when he was still pastoring in South Carolina.
But let me introduce these two dear brothers to you.
First of all, we have Gary Scott.
He is the brother that I mentioned that years ago was pastoring at Three Rivers Baptist
Church in South Carolina, and I had the privilege
of meeting him first by phone, and then later on
at the John Bunyan Conference in Pennsylvania.
And he also introduced me to a brother that became, and still is,
a very dear friend that I have been delighted to call a dear friend for
decades.
Ed Moore is former youth pastor at Three Rivers Baptist Church in Columbia, South
Carolina.
And today, Gary is working with the Providence
Theological Institute of New Covenant Theology, and he is also founder of Cross Theater.
And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Iron, Sharp, and Zion Radio, Brother Gary Scott.
Thank you, Cross.
It is great to be here today.
I look forward to hearing about New Covenant Theology, and particularly how
Cross will
integrate that.
Great.
And my other guest today is Zach Maxey, and he
is intricately involved in the Providence Theological Institute of New
Covenant Theology, and was delighted that he was the brother that invited me down
to Franklin, Tennessee, to participate in, I believe it was a year ago, they
hosted the John Bunyan Conference, which they did in honor of the late
John Riesinger, who has been known for decades as a primary
figure in the New Covenant Theology movement,
which began in the mid -20th century and
sort of split away from the Covenant Theology movement, which was also
a revival movement in the mid -20th century of Calvinistic
Baptists, a resurgence, if you will, of Calvinistic Baptists.
And I believe, if I'm not mistaken, I think this is the first time Zach has ever been on the program, but
it's a great pleasure to have you finally on Iron, Sharp, and Zion Radio, Zach Maxey.
Thank you for having me, Brother Chris.
It is also a delight to be here.
Was I correct in that.
Guess that this is the first time you're on?
Yes.
Great, and what would be your title there at Providence Theological Institute?
I am...
Great, and today we are not taking listener calls, I just wanted to let,
or listener emails, I should say.
I sometimes think that I'm running the old show out of New York when we took
phone calls from listeners.
Today we take emails from listeners who have questions, but today we are not doing that,
so I just thought I'd let you know that up front, so you don't bother writing down a lot of questions
if you intended to do so.
But, well, let me start with you with some basic questions to start the show going
today.
Zach, what is Providence Theological Institute of New Covenant Theology?
Providence Theological Institute of New Covenant Theology, or PTINCT.
We're a Christian organization...
Yes, well, I'm delighted that I have always maintained close
friendships and relationships with brethren from the New Covenant Theology movement
going back to the late 1980s, largely through Don
Blend, the late Don Blend, who was my late wife's pastor
at First Baptist Church of Lindenhurst, Long Island, for many years, and Don is now
in eternal glory with Christ, but Don was the first
individual, having come from, after my conversion, that is,
having been raised Roman Catholic, uh, every church where I've actually been an
official member after my salvation, has been a covenant theology or
confessional reform Baptist church, and so Don was the first
who explained to me, as a representative himself, what New
Covenant Theology is, and invited me to the John Bunyan conferences, which at
one time was their annual conference in Pennsylvania, and I attended for quite a number of years
with Don and some other folks from First Baptist and Lindenhurst, and have grown to
love many of these dear brothers.
Well, let me also start here, since this is
obviously a crucial part of the story that we're discussing, uh, Gary, can you tell us, what is Cross
Theater?
Yes,
at
the
Diamond
Arena,
we have become
a theater of the
gospel, we recognize
that
the
Spirit
of God is the one
playing out, and it's simple, uh,
it's
going to end as a
tragedy, it's going
to end
in defeat,
and
ultimately
the coming
very Son of God comes, goes back to
heaven, and
believers
gather
together
as
churches,
ultimately consummation is
ongoing, and what we're
trying
to accomplish.
In Cross Theater.
And in practical terms, uh, how do you conduct
Cross Theater?
I'm assuming that you accept invitations and travel to various churches, and perhaps even
schools, or other.
Institutions, and you speak, and you give a demonstration, and so forth?
Yes, we'd like to do
that,
uh, to
the
gospel,
is where
we
have
opportunity,
you
know, most
of, a lot
happening recently in
terms of this
cultural
Marxism, and
that it doesn't
tickle ways, uh,
it's,
it's not academic, it's not
abstract, eyebrow
thing,
that
they belong to.
And I
assume,
since the themes.
Transcend, uh, New Covenant theology alone, that this would be something that you would be
very comfortable accepting an invitation to a Covenant theology, Reformed Baptist
church, or.
Other evangelical
church, perhaps even
an
Arminian
church?
Yes, except theology
is something else,
somebody else's
consummation,
and so it is
designed to have a
broad...
And just to clarify,
so
our.
Listeners don't have the wrong idea, uh, they should not be expecting to see theatrical performances,.
Or
anything
like
that,
when they
attend...
No, this
is
Second
World
War, real
doctor's life,
where
the
problem
with,
uh, you
know, God
is the
play
on the plan
of God, years
now,
and talk
about
theater.
Great, and I
know that
this is a work in progress, as far as the website is concerned,.
But this, uh, archived recording of this program, this interview,
uh, God willing, will be around for many years to come, so the website is crosstheater,
and they spell it the fancy way,.
R -E at the end, not E -R, crosstheater .org.
And do you know, Chris, many people don't understand
this,
some
people
are
talking about a drama,
tell
them
about
a God who
loves, a
God,
it just...
Can I take just a moment to kind of tell you how I got here, Chris?
Yeah, definitely.
...and
Pennsylvania
setting,
I
work
a
redemptive approach
to
the Bible, I look
much more
nuanced...
You
mentioned
Gary
Long,
uh, I,
still
to this
day,
probably
for.
The last, I don't know, close to 30 years, I guess, have been giving out
his superb little book on definite atonement, which I think is an excellent treatment
of that subject.
Yes.
And, uh, when we come back from our first break, we're going to have Zach Maxey
explain what New Covenant theology is, and, uh, I'm looking forward to
hearing that, even though I already have heard, uh, many times, but I can never, uh, be
told, uh, too often by different people, from different perspectives, perhaps, uh,
more about this theological wing of the Church, uh, especially, uh, since
I maintain so many close friendships in it.
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If you just tuned us in,.
Our two guests today for the entire program are Zach Maxey, who is president of
Providence Theological Institute, and we also have joining us Gary L.
Scott, who is an evangelist and a former pastor and
also the founder of Cross Theater.
And we have come to a point where we wanted to get a definition from Zach
Maxey on New Covenant Theology.
As I said at the outset of the program, I have had close friendships
both in New Covenant Theology and in Covenant Theology since all my life as a
born -again believer, after having left the Roman Catholic Church by the mercy of God.
I have always been a member of a Reformed, confessional, Covenantal Baptist Church.
But since my wife, my late wife's church was a New Covenant
Theology church, I have always maintained close friendships with folks from
New Covenant Theology.
And I can say, to be honest, that it's been a shame and
something that is a source of sadness to me that more people in both of these
camps could not get along with each other as I have been able to do for decades now.
But as I was saying earlier, there was a resurgence
of Calvinistic Baptists in the mid -20th century.
And men that worked side by side, were very close friends, and
one might even say colleagues in ministry, reached a point where they started to drift apart.
And the differences between New Covenant Theology and Covenant Theology were a primary
cause of this.
And it even happened with two dear brothers, John and Ernie
Reisinger.
In fact, Ernie Reisinger is the founder of the church where I am currently
a member.
After having moved from New York to Pennsylvania, I have been a member of Grace Baptist
Church of Carlisle, Pennsylvania, which was founded in the late 1950s by Ernie Reisinger.
But, Zach, if you could tell us exactly what New Covenant Theology is, and then
you could tell us how similar it is.
To Covenant Theology and where
the differences are as well.
Covenant
Theology began
with
PTS, used to
be the
name of PTS.
Theology or NCT is a
theological system,
singular
plan.
The second main
element
that
is
a
primary
difference, probably
the
primary
difference between NCT and Covenant, New Covenant is
not viewed by an
administration, is
that
Theology,
1689 federalism,
the pain
to see that
in the
essentials, unity, in
the non -essentials,
to be able to lock arms,
and then when
we agree
on the essentials, we should be able to juggle with one another in Christian love.
And one of the messages from Bunyan
Conference, due to all the things happening with
Covenant Theology, and
Theology defined in
the message so much of
New Covenant
Theology that I personally know are coming more
out of
the Reformed
Camp.
We're
always reforming, we're trying to refine our understanding through the
fundamental tenet, we
agree on
the inspiration.
And there's even partial theology
in New
Covenant Theology,
hermeneutics,
and
how I
gave them essentially what New Covenant Theology called in
Greek, and so Christ
is the end or the goal,
and things
serving it in a Christ -glorifying manner.
And that the Word of God,
he's fond
of saying that the Bible is a hymn book,
and there's
a lot of agreement with that there are some
differences.
Some of the other common Covenant Theology, both
there's one plan of God centered in Jesus Christ, you
have creation, God the Son executing it, God the Holy Spirit applying it.
Covenant Theology
would
differ with saying that it's primarily just speaking of a plan of God, because the word
covenant is not used there, but there's still agreement there that there's one plan of God.
It
came
into being at
Pentecost as more of
an effulgence, so there
would be a difference there.
There are
also some who view
the Law of Moses into moral ceremony,
that it should not be divided along
them.
NCT would
view
the Law as a
union, NCT would
view it as the
Law of 1689 reformed.
There's a large amount of similarity and commonality there.
Also,
in the view that there's two
differences, NCT
would
agree
much more than we
disagree.
Yes, I have
always
found.
That to be the case.
And just to clarify, lest some of our listeners hearing you for the first time,
or hearing about New Covenant Theology for the first time, develop a misunderstanding,
you are not antinomian, and the Decalogue, or the Ten
Commandments, even though that, in the view of New Covenant theologians, was
specifically and solely intended for Israel, Jesus Christ's Law
in the New Covenant includes nine of those Ten Commandments, am I right?
That is correct,.
Antinomian by
some, and
speaking of one under the Law of
Moses, so that he might win, Jesus was
not under the Law, he
became like
one not under the
Law, though he is enamos.
And this is a question
many others
who
deny of those the New
Covenant Law of Christ,
a degree that no one can possibly keep,
let alone even, it's also
the commands and the teaching
and the example of Jesus Christ in the New Testament, it's also
the teachings, commands, and example of the Apostle.
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And Zach, I don't know if you had completed what you were saying when you were comparing
before the break, you were showing some of the differences and similarities that New Covenant
Theology has, both with Covenant Theology and with Dispensational Theology.
Yeah, well, Covenant
Theology's view
within
New Covenant
Theology, nine of
the...
Somebody disciplining a child in the background, what is that noise?
You hear that smacking noise?
Anyway...
I heard that, that's not on my end.
Okay, all right.
I'm sorry I interrupted you, continue.
Oh, no problem.
What might win them to
the gospel, though I am not without the law of God, I am under the law of
Christ.
He typically defines that, and this is an ongoing discussion and question even in
NCT circles, greatest commandments, so love of God and love of neighbor,
of which the nine of the ten commandments that are in the New Testament,
and that it's Christ, the commands and teachings of the apostles in the New
Testament in light of Christ, so NCT
is not a bunch of Marcionites.
Gary Scott,
what are
some of
the key distinctives of New Covenant Theology.
That perhaps Zach didn't have time to mention in his presentation?
Well, maybe it will help if I follow kind of my own personal
experience early on in the in the 80s
and
the
90s, in
some
sense
the
doctrine,
I'm
going
to
do
something
is abiding
more change of
the
law, that
gives of the law,
whether it's
1889 federal laws, and I was
taught
that
in
Bible
college, so it's that, but
that was and it
wasn't, it went back
to the promise made to Abraham of
the land,
Old and
Make,
Garden
of
Eden,
to
new
dialogues,
the
promise of the
land, but
with the promise
of the seed,
different
way that the
dispensation define
that,
New
Covenant
Theology,
kind of redemption, talk about
harboring
together,
that a
covenant, covenant
made with
backbone,
it's
a beginning
of
unity,
we want to
fall
foundation, focus
on this,.
Yes, I
am
thankful
that
the
church where I was saved, back in the mid 1980s,.
Which was then Calvary Baptist Church of Amityville, Long Island, later to merge
with First Baptist Church of Merrick, Long Island, and become Grace Reform Baptist Church of Long
Island in Merrick, that church, although a
confessional 1689 Covenantal Reform Baptist Church, always
allowed into the pulpit for conferences and special invitations and so on,
some of the men from the New Covenant Theology position, I remember the
times that I really enjoyed our dear brother Tom Wells preaching from the pulpit
of the church where I was a member in New York, and also
to see Tony Costa there, and a number of
the brethren that represent New Covenant Theology, and so it's
just been a part of the reason why I've always maintained close friendships,
and I know that there's some of the names that are slipping from my.
Mind right now, but I know that there were other brethren as well.
Well, I heard about the guy that was on the Brooklyn Bridge, and he
was going to jump, and there was a Christian down below that was trying to
come up, and you know, they got
conformed or unreformed,
read on, and then he said, what version of the Bible do you read?
And he said King James, and he pushed him off and said, die, heretic.
So the point is, we can agree on so much of
that, on one of these texts,
that's not a simple thing to answer, and that's why we need time to
dialogue and look at, but
look
at the
text,
be thankful for what exists,
and then
I had the opportunity,
I would do five or six messages a week, so it gave me a lot
of support
because
I
would
text
them
together.
And I
just.
Remembered one of the other brothers who I have not heard from or about in
decades, but one of the New Covenant theology folks who had been
invited, at least on a couple of occasions, to preach at the church where I was a member
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I don't know if any of you folks have ever heard from him lately, I have no idea where he is.
He used to be in Charleston, West Virginia.
Charleston is now a
pre -Anglican church.
I'm hoping at least it's a conservative Anglican church.
I don't, I haven't had contact with him personally for many years, but I know that
that's where he is now.
Because I do have some very different setting.
Yeah, I do have some.
Very close friends who are strong Calvinistic Anglican pastors and
scholars, believe in the 39 articles of religion and so on.
Now, some of the listeners might not know that some of the
more prominent members of the New Covenant theology camp
include D .A. Carson and Douglas Moo, and of
course Fred Zaspel has become a very prolific writer.
Anybody else that you care.
To mention?
I'm sorry?
I would include Blake White in there.
Okay.
I would also include in that
Steve
Wellum
and Peter Dink.
Significant.
Yes, I've very much enjoyed getting to know those two.
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This is Chris Arnzen.
And if you just tuned in, our two guests have been today and will continue to be
until 6 p .m. Eastern.
Zach Maxey, the president of the,
I'm sorry, I just had it right in front of me and it disappeared, the Providence Theological Institute of New Covenant Theology,
and Gary L. Scott, founder of Cross Theater, who is also very actively involved
in the Providence Theological Institute.
And as I mentioned before we went to the commercial break, I was going to ask
you both, and perhaps this time we could start with Zach, what is the difference between New Covenant
Theology and Progressive Covenantalism?
Um,
well
the
Vastans,
Stephen
J. Wellen and
Brent
Parker...
Now it sounds like somebody is chopping vegetables in the back.
Can somebody see if that could be brought to silence for a moment?
I don't know if you guys hear that, but there's chopping going on or something.
Anyway, I'm sorry I interrupted you, Zach.
Go ahead.
Oh, no
problem.
New Covenant Theology denies a
creation covenant
of obedience,
an unnecessary...
Then another
one wouldn't
say that the believer is
under the Old
Covenant, or the Mosaic Law, but that it's still instructive
because it's something many others agree with.
And then there's some other minor distinctions, such
as there
are
elements that are in that
covenant, and
then
distinctions...
I'm
actually doubt
some of these,
really that much of it.
The overall umbrella...
Yes, and
when I was at the John Bunyan.
Conference in Franklin, Tennessee, moderating the Q &A session, I
discovered from the Wellen brothers one other distinction between
their view and New Covenant Theology.
Not that everybody in New Covenant Theology has this opinion or position, but
many people that I've met from within New Covenant Theology believe that when
we gather as a corporate body for worship, it could be Sunday, it could
be Monday, it could be Tuesday.
We could completely avoid Sunday altogether without violating any
principle of God and Scripture in the New Covenant, in the New Testament.
But the Wellen brothers believe that Sunday has a specific significance, and it is the Lord's Day.
Although they wouldn't have a Sabbatarian view, they still believe that it is the Lord's Day and
should be honored.
I don't know if you two are aware of that,.
But that seemed to come up during the Q &A session.
Yes, and I have heard that view directly,
Gene, that Christians would be able to meet on any day.
Well, one thing...
Go ahead.
May I add one comment to that?
Yes.
Well, just in personal discussion
with those who
make
that
New
Covenant
Theology talk,
this is what the Scriptures say in one sense...
Can you give a little bit more detail on some of these debates
and
controversies
in NCT?
Yeah, let
me...
Some of them are, again, we're optimistic
on the issue, we're fine,
what's the law...
Since
left New Covenant
Theology, as I understand
it, the commandment in the New Testament,
the Greatest
Commandment, the example and teaching of Christ in the light of
Jesus, exactly do
we define the imputation of
Christ?
Do we even make that distinction?
So again, those are some
of...
Those are probably the principal ones, and there are even
some...
We enjoy...
He tends to take more of a dispensational premillennial view
of the millennium, but again, this is a dispute...
And I remember him vociferously,.
I remember Fred vociferously disagreeing with
John Riesinger at one of the old Bunyan conferences, that his view was dispensational, he
was defending a historic premillennial view, and John kept describing it as
dispensational, and that was getting under Fred's skin during that that
very well -remembered Bunyan conference, just so I want to make sure that
Fred hears at least one person say that he's not a dispensationalist.
Yeah, and Chris, if I may, it's called What is New
Covenant Theology,
design,
covenant
community,
their
union with
Christ, represented
by...
Now was Blake...
We agree more than we disagree.
Was Blake the late Richard Bennett's pastor that day spring
in Texas?
No, I think you're talking about Jackson Boyette or...
Yeah, that's who I'm thinking of, I'm sorry.
You're right, you're right.
Well, Richard Bennett just happened to be a very close friend of mine who went home to be with the Lord about, I
don't our listeners have the
contact information again that they need to maintain a
knowledge of what's going on with you two.
First of all, with the
Providence Theological Institute of New Covenant Theology, that website that you
can go to is ptinct .org, that's
p -t -i -n -c -t .org.
And then, of course, Cross Theater is crosstheater .org.
And once again, theater is spelt with an r -e at the end, not an e -r.
And it's been a joy having you both on the program.
I look forward to having you both back, and perhaps we can set up a
dialogue on the show sometime between some representatives of New Covenant
Theology and Covenant Theology, or any of the other branches of
Sovereign Grace that exists within the Church today.
Does that sound like a good idea?
Well, thank you, brethren, and I want to thank everybody who listened today.
And I just want you all to always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ
is a far, far greater Savior than you are a sinner.
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