Did God Break His Own Law? | Season 3 Episode 4

Welcome to the Point Taken Podcast, um, yeah, hey. I got great news for you guys, Hunter is not here again, is everyone excited? Yay! That's the only reason I came on.

Is this too mean? No. It's honesty. Truth hurts. Sometimes, yeah, sometimes honesty hurts.

Though, to be honest, he is a really good host and he's way better at you and I than this, so. I think so. That's why I made you do the intro. Okay, got it. Alright guys, well look, we've got another pretty cool topic today, uh, did God compromise himself by breaking the law in order to save us?

Does he love us in the sense that he loved us and broke the law in order to show that love? That would be the question. We have a reaction, uh, we got a TikTok here that Brother Christian sent us, so we're gonna watch that and see what, uh, someone else has to say on that topic.

It's the Lord's day, I got my Bible, I'm ready to hear the word. I said to every sinner, God broke the law for love. Nope. Mm-mm.

And there it is. Now, uh, the gentleman who just, the pastor who just said that is a guy named Steven Furtick, I think I'm pronouncing it the best way I can safely, uh, Steven Furtick, and uh, he is a pastor from North Carolina.

So here's what I'm gonna do. That video I watched ahead of time because I wanted to make sure that we took it in context, so I'll kind of lay out the format for you guys and I'll let y 'all take it from there.

Um, when I first heard it, kind of like Nick, I'm like, okay, well that's clearly heresy. But then I'm like, all right, let me give him the benefit of the doubt. That was a five second clip. Yeah, you know, right.

Gotta be clear. And like, what does he mean by broke the law? Does he mean human law? Does he mean God's law? Right. Right, right. It's a law he made. Not that, yeah, right, the law he made. Yeah. Uh, so, um.

Do you break it if you made it? The sermon's from a while back, um, and it was out of 1 John chapter 4. And um, he, it's a 40 minute sermon, I didn't watch the whole thing, but he cut out a two minute clip of that section.

Okay? He himself did it and posted it. Um, and uh, it didn't reveal anything different. His, his standard, his statement is that God broke the law of God. God broke his law. Right.

In order to love us. But how did he do that according to his sermon? Right.

He didn't specify in the two minute video. All he did was use an analogy about how if your kid was hurt, um, you would break, uh, traffic laws in order to get the kid to the, uh, to the, um, hospital.

So he says that God broke the law for love. And I don't know what he means by that. I can only assume a few things that he couldn't mean by it because in the two minute clip he edited and, uh, and posted, he did not clarify how he believes God broke the law.

So we're going to have to guess for a moment.

What might he be saying? So not only was he, not only is what he's saying heresy, but it's also like he didn't even elaborate on what he means by that.

If he did in the, in the full sermon, if he did, he chose to edit it just through that two minute clip and post that himself. I wonder, I wonder if he means this. I wonder if what he means by that is that God did away with the law in order that he might show love.

I wonder if what he means by that is God disobeyed the law of Moses by not following those statutes. Maybe, maybe this is what he's doing. Okay. Remember how the Pharisees, um, got mad at the disciples for plucking grain on the Sabbath day or Jesus healing on the Sabbath day.

Maybe what he's saying is Jesus sinned in that regard. Jesus broke the law in order to display love. Maybe that's what he means by it. Doesn't necessarily help the heresy part, but go ahead.

Yeah, it's still a heresy, but you know, it could be that, by the way, did I even introduce Ben Bowen? Why didn't you do that, Anna?

Cause that was your job. Anna? I told you, you do the introduction because I'm not messing it up. Well, you just did.

I did not. Everyone, this has been Bowen and that's probably all we care for an introduction. So, hey, all right, Ben, keep going with what you were saying. Thanks for joining us.

So what I was, what I was saying was like, yeah, obviously what he's saying is heretical. Like I guess it comes down to, does he, is it more of confusion on his part or is he know exactly what he's saying is wrong, but he just wants to say something that sounds good to people?

I was thinking that. Well, you know, Anna, that's a good point because we need to clarify our terms cause we are here saying this is heretical. There's a lot of people who may hear that and say, that's how much God loves me.

And why are you guys, why are you guys saying that's heresy? So let's, let's define our terms. Why do we say that's heresy?

Because I mean, if God, you know, broke his own law, like why would he even give it if he's going to break it?

Well, and God is perfect and he can't break the law and be God.

The fact that we have law is God showing his love towards us that, you know, we can't keep, nobody can keep the law fully.

Yeah. It's to show us that we need him.

And was it, was it Paul that was saying like, if you break one of the laws, you've, you've broken them all. Right. Sure. You know, so how much more does that show God's grace by loving us, even though we can't keep all these laws, like it's impossible, like there's no way we can keep all of them.

Right. Right. Right. But yeah. So like, that's the love right there or part of it at least.

But yeah, God couldn't be God if he wasn't perfect and he can't break his law. Yeah.

I mean, I would agree with that. And like, like being quoted, James says, James, yeah, well, it's all God. It's okay. James says, if you break one law, you're guilty of all, you just say, God said, you're always.

There you go. There you go. So let's, let's assume, let's go hardest. Let's go, let's go hardest to easiest. Let's assume by that he means God did away with the Sinai covenant, the Mosaic law for love.

Let's assume he means that. Right. Okay. And this is, um, if you want to look this up a little more later, it's called antinomianism. Can you spell that? Uh, maybe, maybe. I know it's, I mean, a N T I O M.

You're on a good roll. I N A ism. I S M. That's the hardest part of the word. Which means anti-law. We as Christians are not saying that God did away with the law. Like Paul said, we uphold the law. What we are saying is that God gave the Sinai covenant to a specific ethnic people, Israel to be his people.

Okay. That's what we're saying. We're saying that law reveals his character and in the new covenant and the new covenant, Christians are not to follow the civil ceremonial laws that he gave the nation of Israel.

Of course, and people should recognize this because he didn't actually give that law to the midpoint of history. The first 3000 years of human history, there was no 10 commandments, right? There was no Sinai covenant.

But as Paul says, that is not him breaking the law. That's him upholding the law. That law was revealed to a specific ethnic group. That doesn't mean it's not for us. The morals of it are applied into a new covenant.

The morals of it are applied. So even if he means God made, did away with the old covenant and brought in a new covenant, that's still not appropriate to say he broke the law. Now, if by that he means, what Anna was getting at, that he disobeyed God's law in order to show us love, that's blasphemous.

That's blasphemous, right? That would be terrible and the reason why it is is because the reason that we are saved and are blameless and justified inside of God is because Jesus kept the law perfectly.

Absolutely. Because what happens to our sin? Our sin is what? It's charged to Jesus' account and his perfect lived life of, you know, what, 35, 36 years is imputed to our account so that on our docket, on our ticket, on our court date, it says that we have lived a perfect life in the sight of God because Jesus' perfect life is applied to all who believe.

Man, that still blows my mind.

Right? Yes. It's like, me, I screwed up all my life. Right.

But it's covered. And that sin of all of our screw-ups is applied to Jesus on the cross. Yeah. Perpetuation. What did you know, Mark? That's exactly right. Good job. I know things and stuff. The gentleman here, Mr. Furtick, Pastor Furtick from North Carolina, Ben and I were talking.

And I have heard him say other things that were at best questionable. And let me just give a couple of those quotes and let you guys react to them. All right. He was preaching a sermon a few years ago, and I went back and watched the whole one on this one because I wanted to make sure that I was representing him the best way I could.

It was on Exodus chapter 3 where God reveals himself in the burning bush and gives his divine name, Yahweh, or I Am. And this is a quote. He said, God is trying to show Moses, you are as I am. So he calls himself I Am to demonstrate to Moses, quote, Moses, you are as I am.

I don't know what version of scripture he's reading because I don't, I've never seen those words in that chapter of Exodus.

What Pastor Furtick is trying to say is he's saying the reason that God's name is I am is so that he can show Moses, Moses, you are as I am.

So he's not saying that it says that explicitly.

No, he is saying that is why God told Moses, my name is I am. My name is I am. I struggle to say the sentence, but I'm quoting somebody else. Moses, the reason my name is I am is because I'm trying to demonstrate to you to look into a mirror that you are as I am.

No. Yikes. No. What's our reaction to that? No. That's my reaction.

Absolutely not. Why? Just. I mean, because we're. Because we are not the same as God. Yeah, we are. And if we were the same, then God would not need to appear to Moses to convince him to go do the things that he does not want to do.

Right. That's a good example.

It's just good. Done. And in addition to that, the whole point of God saying I am the reason that's his divine name is to set him apart. It's not just that I was or I will be in the future. I always am.

I am. My name is I am. I am being that is my name. I am that I am. That's my name. And Moses is not. Right. Yeah, exactly. Yahweh mean it's built off. I am. So it's the literally the opposite of what Pastor Furtick is saying.

Pastor Furtick is showing it as an equalizing of man to God. The point of I am is quite literally the opposite. As Anna just pointed out, it is a show that he is other and we are not. Absolutely.

The opposite of that. I just think Pastor Furtick, I've watched some of his videos on like sermons or like the tick tocks that have been made from his sermons. And I just think he's a very charismatic guy.

He gets people pumped up and stuff and, you know, that's like great and all, but his his sermons are questionable. I mean, he's I mean, obviously, with that, you know, being said, you know, he's one of.

Those people, you know, that like, yeah, I 100 percent agree with that. Like he what I get from him and I've been kind of following him for a while now. And what I'm getting is obviously he's preaching words that he knows people want to hear and not what they need to hear.

And maybe it didn't start out that way. Maybe it started out with a little bit of, you know, misinterpreting some scripture like the burning bush. And then eventually crowds got bigger. Money started rolling in.

Popularity started rolling in and he was like, OK, well, if I say, you know, this, this and this, this will get, you know, more butts in the seats for lack of better terms. Right. You know, and I think it just built up over time was most of the stuff he says is just crazy.

Well, I got a question.

So to me, it is apparent that he does not study with any kind of concordance or commentary tools, things like that. And he's just making up his own stuff because no commentary that I've ever read had said anything close to what he said.

Exactly. There might be a few, but not any faithful commentaries, that's for sure.

Right. And so that's why I would be curious to see how he studies scripture as a pastor.

I have heard some preachers say, I don't study for sermons. I just go up there and open my Bible and let the Holy Spirit lead. It's fine if you're Jesus. Yeah, right. Yeah, you're not. But it's funny.

Jesus didn't even do that. Paul didn't even do that. Peter didn't even do that. Yeah, I think it's just a load of bull in order to be lazy. I was about to say, I think that's lazy. But Pastor Furtick here, I'll be honest, some of the things he says really makes me to call in question some motives and quite honestly, where his spiritual walk is, because some of the words that come out of his mouth, I don't understand how they come out of his mouth.

It's that serious. To go to to Ben's point, I was watching a sermon of his the other day and maybe it was maybe it was this one. And whenever he got loud, the music in the background started playing. I think it was an organ and drum set and all that stuff.

And when I say there were lights on the stage, I don't mean there were two or three spotlights. Excuse me, I don't mean there were two or three spotlights. I mean, there are there are lights everywhere and going back and forth.

Exactly. They're running back and forth and all that stuff. Party. Trying to get an emotional response. Absolutely. But you know what's funny? There's a lot of people that can look at that and mock that.

But it's the same thing when we try to work somebody up, it can be done at an old school tent. Revival can be on anywhere when you try to work someone up to make an emotional decision instead of a heartfelt change that it can be done anywhere, anywhere.

Mm hmm. So he is not the only one guilty of that. Absolutely. But if I were close to him, I would. You need to step down. I would call him to repentance. I mean, I if if someone in our church maybe stood up and said that the sermon would be.

Interrupted. That's how I feel like the sermon would be interrupted.

One hundred percent. I mean, if someone said you are as I am, I would stand up from the pulpit and say, that's enough for today. I mean, we're done here. When someone says God broke the law for love, I would stop and wait for a minute and give them the opportunity to explain what is meant by that.

But he offers no explanation that. Pacifies that that comment.

That's what just makes me think that he's just saying things to get reactions and things that sound good and look appealing.

If anyone listening has questions about, OK, in what way do the dietary laws of the of the old covenant apply to us today or in what way do the ceremonial laws? Those are great questions. And we would love to answer those kind of questions.

It is not a matter of God broke the law for us, though. And to say that makes it sound like he's in sin. That's that. I mean, that's really a big problem of it. So. Yeah, that's just a pretty awful stuff there.

So. I've got one, but what is the most heretical thing you've heard from a quote unquote Christian before? Think about it for a minute. The most heretical thing you've ever heard from a Christian before, or at least a supposed Christian.

The video we listened to a couple of weeks ago about I know mine about what was the song it's going to it's going to air how he loves how she loves us and how they love us. Yeah, it's based on the David Clowder song or part of it's airing next week, I think.

But I think I can't remember. Anyway, the how he loves or how she loves us. That one. But but I've got one. But I'll let you guys go first.

So I got one that's actually also from Steven Furtick. Oh, man. Go ahead. Yeah. Or he said that, you know, there's even one thing God can't do. God can't override your disbelief. I have seen that one.

Some pretty, pretty crazy stuff.

I watched that one. Yeah. He said there's there's even there's one thing that even the eternal son of God can't do, and that's overcome your disbelief. If that were true, there would be zero save people.

One hundred percent. That were true. God cannot overcome your disbelief. That is that's how salvation happens.

You say these words, but I don't think you know. Exactly. Exactly.

And I go, Montoya, I like it. Yes. And, you know.

You know, maybe not on a sermon, but in Bible study, I have said incorrect things before an accident. Sure. And then. The next week, I'll either think about it, someone bring it up to me or watch a video might I might need to clarify that.

And I, I am not too proud to say, by the way, last week I said X. What I meant to say was why there is room for that. And especially when someone is recorded a hundred times, you know, 24 seven all the time.

Every sermon lesson they ever teach is recorded and instantly broadcast. They don't edit it or anything like that. I can have some mercy for that. What I can't have is when that's out there and then there is no clarification brought forward and it's even promoted.

Anna, you got one? Yeah. Brandon Robertson. He's Rev. Brandon Robertson on TikTok. He is a gay. Reverend. Interesting. He's done several things on. He's done several things on TikTok where he said that.

Like God is transgender and like his gender is where we get at last week, yeah, his gender is fluid, and then he said other things. Oh, what was it? I have. I have TikToks on our group message, and so I was trying to look at that.

But, you know, some sometimes on TikToks, how they have like the words like printed out, like subtitles and stuff. He didn't have any of those, so I would have to do that. But he is a good example of a Christian who is crazy.

Heretical. I know it's about gender. I'll be fruitful, like be fruitful, multiply. He's saying be fruitful, like as God telling you that it's OK to be gay. Oh, my goodness.

I will be fruitful, like fruity.

You know, that's how we used to call that back.

I don't know if I see for real. Sorry. Is he just playing or is he for real? No, like this guy's legit.

He's and he's also he's pro abortion. Oh, Ali, Beth Stuckey. She's a YouTuber. She has her own podcast lessons there. I freaking love her. So Ali, Beth, Ali, Beth Stuckey ended up doing a podcast with him about abortion.

They had a whole debate on it, but he's supposed to be a Christian. And so I can only watch like five minutes at a time. Reverend Brandon, like with an A .N. Robertson.

The worst one I've ever read, I didn't hear it. It was an article. It was a Christian gay rights activist group. I wish I can remember the name at the moment. Maybe I'll find it. And they said that not only is God for homosexuality, he demonstrates that with his trying nature because there is a homosexual relational love between the father and the son.

Now, as that blasphemy just heard your ears, like just just hit your ears. I hope that sinks in for a minute. That's the level we've gone to. That's insane. But I can throw out a few from a good old Bishop Spong.

Bishop Spong was a name. Yeah, he was. I've used him several times here. He was a man. What what denomination was it was Episcopal. And he's a reverend over the diocese of Newark, New Jersey, which had 40 ,000 congregants in the different congregations of Newark, New Jersey.

And I'll just give you a few quotes as I listen to him. He said, quote, Paul was a repressed homosexual man. The flood was not global, it was local. Oh, Jesus, it's very clear. Jesus clearly could not have been God because he seemed to believe that God created the world in six days, which no real person believes today.

No intelligent person lives today. Oh, then I'm Jesus. We already know. But not for that reason.

You're smarter than me, though. There were so many of them. He said, oh, Jesus is necessary for salvation for me, but I would never say he's necessary for salvation for someone else. Then probably probably my favorite.

The Bible is not inerrant. I know too much about the Bible to believe something as silly as that. But he kept going on about how Jesus was just a first off on the same article. This is from a debate, a tele, a recorded debate.

It's on YouTube. But he kept going about how Jesus was just a first century man. And he obviously didn't know as much about the universe as we do now, because he's seen that's how he said he goes. When you read Jesus, he seemed to think that Jonah was a literal person that actually existed.

And like that's how he. Yeah. Interesting. Yes. Now, this is a reverend of our diocese. He is dead now. Over 40 ,000 people. He has sold books, many, many, many copies. And the amount of people he has deceived that have probably now at this point fallen to the abyss of hell forever.

I mean, that's not trivial secondary issue stuff, right? We're talking about things that are central to the gospel. So. What would you say to someone who's listening right now, saying, OK, Ben and Josiah, I hear you guys.

But how do I know? Because sometimes that stuff sounds really good on a four second TikTok video. How do I know? How do I judge? How do I weigh things? What advice could you give to them?

Back it up with scripture. Try to find the scripture. Yeah. Try to find the scripture that backs that up. And if not, then it's not.

Yeah. If it's, you know, somebody asked me a question like that and I can't give scripture right away. I'll get back to you. If I have time, I'll say, hey, let's let's look some things up. And then, you know, if I can't then.

Yeah. Like, hey, look, let's be an honest. Don't have, you know, whatever the question is. Don't really have an answer for this. Let me do a little bit of research. And if you're OK, let's talk about this, you know, some more.

You know, if I don't know the answer right away.

OK, last thing on this, and then I believe Anna has a more dilemma for us before we close up.

Brandon Robertson, one. Jesus helped Lazarus come out.

OK, I watched that one. Yes. Oh, OK. I watched that one by myself and I out loud. I promise you, I out loud said, God have mercy on him. Yeah, absolutely. When I when I heard that. Yes, his his his exegesis of John 11, are you ready for this?

His exegesis of John 11 is this. Lazarus, I'll listen to the whole thing. Jesus said to Lazarus, come out as he tells all of the repressed homosexual Christians on planet Earth, come out and be who you are.

He allowed Lazarus to be who he was when he came out of that tomb. And so he's calling you out of the tomb of darkness and bondage and bandages that have held you down from who God created you to be and said, come out and be who I've created you to be.

I'm I'm feeling a little some type of way of saying this right now. Anyway. OK, yeah. So listen to that one. OK, last thoughts on this. In my opinion, one of the biggest problems, the biggest problem in our society is that people love darkness rather than light, that they're not submitted to the law of God.

But one of the biggest characteristics of that problem are things like TikTok. And here's what I mean. We watch something with almost no context and we are ready. To judge. On whether or not the person in that video is a moral person or not, based on a four second clip with nothing surrounding it, so to the point to where we see a video.

Of one angle of one event, and we in the in our arrogance think that we know everything that happened in that event, whether it's. Some type of shooting, whether it's some type of protest, whether it's some type of government overtaking, and we think that we know everything there is to know about it from a four second video from one angle.

Whereas the proverb says. He who is wise listens before he responds. It's almost like God knew what he was talking about. But don't y 'all think we react too quickly to things that we really in our arrogance don't know as much as we think we know about them, right?

These TikTok react videos that we do. Yeah, except at least here we have time to go through them all, and that's why on this one, that's why on this one, I want to make sure I watched it first. Anyway, I think some wisdom would be before we get ready to pass discernment on an event, we really need to know the ins and outs of it before we sure going out.

OK, Anna, we have a moral dilemma and then we got to go.

We got to go get the work outside. So what we got. OK, so Golden Girls. OK, Blanche.

Yes, my wife loves this show. It is her. You love it, too.

Never seen it. It's his favorite show.

I don't love it. I tolerate it. It's better than the other stupid shows my wife watches. Like what? What's wrong? It's a really dumb show. Charmed is what it's called. I've never seen it. I've never even heard of it.

But no, she and I watch really great shows together, like Alone, The Blacklist. We got some Daredevil Punisher, you know, all the all the essential great shows. The Office, of course.

That's probably just her guilty pleasure. Well, yeah, but Golden Girls is guilty pleasure, too.

Golden Girls is acceptable compared to like. Other worthless shows like Full House and that kind of stuff, so.

Sorry, sometimes I say true things out loud. You say Full House or Fuller House? No, Full House. I've never seen the second one. You just said you don't like the original Full House.

Did you know that I like good shows? Someone in this church is friends with a friend of DJ Tanner.

Wait, what is friends with someone?

Is that your moral dilemma? No. OK. OK, so my moral dilemma. Blanche ends up buying a dress for some event and then she buys that dress knowingly that knowing that she is going to later return it. So she's basically like renting that dress.

So you buy the dress, wear it, and then you return it because she knows she's never going to wear it again.

Yes, I've seen I've heard of people doing this before.

This is actually this is actually a very common thing.

I've actually done it once before.

I believe you. So so what's the what's the question? Is it wrong to do that?

OK, knowing that you're you're only going to wear it once and then you return it to get your money back. Instead of keeping it and then just like trying to wear it again.

Yeah, I've got my answer. OK, go ahead.

You want me to go first? Yeah, I'm scared.

You're scared. Why don't you go first?

I mean, honestly, I don't really. I mean, I've done it, so I can't say I don't. Why would that exclude you?

Don't make you feel like you've been guilty of this. Don't remind me. I don't know if I would consider that. Consider that wrong. I don't know. I really don't know what to say about that. Like, I guess it is a dilemma because I'm like, on one hand, is it moral?

You know, like I don't really know what to say.

So the one item I bought one item was like a pair of overalls for a Halloween costume. And I'm like, I know that I'm never going to wear these again. And I just need it for this costume. And so I ended up keeping the tax on it.

And a few days later, I returned it. That actually. But they were like $30. So it wasn't like something from Goodwill. You know, granted, you can't return anything to Goodwill anyway.

If it's a costume, then it's definitely I definitely understand.

It was just like a pair of overalls from H &M and they were like $30. And I'm like, I'm going to get my money back. Yeah. This is like 10 years ago.

I've heard that before. Yeah, it's a store.

Well, I mean, that's like a high, like bougie clothing store. That's not bougie. You think I shopped for a bougie? I've never. Oh, that is true. I forgot who I was talking to. Oh my God, have you seen these clothes?

I've had this jacket for like five years. Those socks, though.

Josiah, what is your? Yeah, what is your take on that? Hmm. OK. Ready? There's a biblical question which makes it sin or not. There's an ethical question, which are are the ways we live from the Bible.

And there's a moral question. Yeah, I'm complicating this on purpose. Thanks. When you ask something about morals, that is whether or not it is acceptable in your society. So legal, for example. So morally, I would have to say that there's nothing immoral about that.

Biblically, I don't think you can make a case that is outright sinful. Question would be ethically, which are the ways we live drawn from the Bible, and I would probably advise against it. Here's why.

You are entering a transaction with a store. OK, what ultimately, which is with an individual. OK, now it's easy to look at it as a store as opposed to an individual, but it is made up of individuals who hire other individuals.

You're entering a transaction with them in which the supposed understood purpose of the transaction is that you give them money in exchange for a good or service. And you do that knowingly that you're going to return that to get the money back for the use that you use for what they had.

So then they bought the product, you know, whatever made the product. But they bought the product. They displayed the product. They sold the product. They checked the product out. So, yes, I would think that would be unethical to do that knowingly and then knowingly return it.

Now, you can make the argument, well, then the store should change their return policy, and that may be true. But how do you. But the return policy is built in, not for cases for where I would assume not for cases for which you are knowingly buying it and then to return it.

The return policy is built for. I thought this would fit me, but it didn't.

Or it didn't look good outside. Yeah, I don't know.

And of course, I have that return policy. I mean, it's good. I think going beyond the return policy is breaching a transaction that you made with the store knowingly or not.

Yes. And when I did this, it was 10 years ago. You got super defensive there. You asked me the question. Well, it was 10 years ago and I have not done it since. And like in this in this episode of Golden Girls.

Yes, I did. That's making sure. And this episode of Golden Girls, like the dress that Blanche bought was like hundreds of dollars. So it was something that she knew, like she technically couldn't afford.

Yeah. And then she just like wanted it for. And this girl has so many. You've seen Blanche's dresses. She could have easily found something in her closet to wear at an event. Yeah. I don't have a pair of overalls.

I still don't because I returned them.

But I mean, the amount wouldn't really matter, though. I mean, I think it would be unethical because you are pretending to enter into a transaction, which in one sense is a it's not a covenant, but it is an agreed upon an agreement.

And you are knowingly not keeping your end of the bargain. And they think you are. I agree. That would be. Yeah, I would say I've learned my lesson. I guess it is kind of deception. Yeah. His tune changed when you realized you were the guilty one, Anna.