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October 12, 2020
Rev. RICKY McCARL, hospice chaplain & Vicar of Good Shepherd Anglican Church of Harrisburg, PA who will address:
“The ANGLICAN IDENTITY CRISIS!”
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Reverend Ricky McCarl is a hospice chaplain and also the vicar of Good Shepherd Anglican Church of Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. And today we are going to be discussing the Anglican Identity Crisis. And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you for the very first time ever to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Reverend Ricky McCarl.
Thank you.
It's great to have you on the program. And by the way, I want to, before I move on to our discussion with Reverend McCarl, before I forget, I want to give a plug to the Christian Businessmen's Connection in central Pennsylvania by letting you know where you can contact them if you are a Christian businessman and you'd like to find out either the closest Christian businessmen connection to where you live, or you might even live in the South Central PA area and you want to connect with these very same men at the Central Pennsylvania Christian Businessmen's Connection where David Waterman is.
Their website is centralpa .cbmc .com. That's centralpa .cbmc .com. Well, before I move on to our summary of your salvation testimony, which is something that we do here as a tradition on Iron Sharpens Iron Radio whenever we have a first-time guest, tell our listeners about Good Shepherd Anglican Church of Harrisburg, Pennsylvania.
Sure, and we've...
Wow, that's quite a trip from Harrisburg to Pittsburgh. That's so you're still in that same regional jurisdiction for the Pittsburgh Diocese.
Yes, unfortunately, we're the only Orthodox Anglican parish. I should take that back. There is an Anglican province of Lancaster, but the APA, and I'm good friends with the priest over there.
Now, I have a listener who has joined me at my biannual pastor's luncheons on several occasions. I can't remember his first name, but his name is Bishop Sloan. Do you know where he is connected?
I do not.
Okay, because if he's listening, he might want to chime in with his location just so he doesn't feel left out, but he has a shirt. He has assured me that he is a conservative Bible-believing Anglican, and I believe that he is somehow connected with Cana or something like that.
Okay.
But if you're listening, Bishop Sloan, you could send us your contact information as well. Well, as I said earlier, we have a tradition here. Whenever we have a first-time guest on Iron Sherpa's Iron Radio...
Oh, wait a minute. Let me give your website, because I think I forgot to mention it. Goodshepherdanglican .net. Goodshepherdanglican .net is the website for Good Shepherd Anglican Church of Harrisburg, and hopefully I'll remember to repeat that later on in the program as well.
Now, as I was saying, please, as we have our custom here, give us a summary of your salvation testimony, what kind of religious atmosphere, if any, you were raised in, and what kind of providential circumstances our Sovereign Lord brought about in your life and used to save you.
Sure. Well, I was people, and then they call that, but down that I was about five years old when I... But it wasn't until I...
Reverend McCall, are you still there?
I am.
For some reason, you're breaking up all of a sudden.
Are you there?
Can you hear me?
Yeah, but you keep cutting out. I don't know if we have to go to another phone line or something. You, out of the blue, just started to cut out.
Yes. Can you hear me now?
Yes.
Okay. Good, good.
So where was I?
You were saying that you felt, your family felt, the legalism of the specific or particular congregation of Fundamentalist Baptists, the legalism was too much for you to swallow. So you ventured on, and I don't remember hearing exactly where you wound up after that.
Right. We were at a non-denominational... The youth minister, their college, I went to the Lancaster Bible College over in Lancaster, Pennsylvania. Came in Anglican, a couple of churches, and I was ordained not long after.
And am I correct in saying that now there is some kind of connection officially with the REC, or Reformed Episcopal Church, and the Anglican Church of North America?
That's a wonderful question, and one very...
Let me right off the bat ask you probably the most frequently asked question I get from listeners who have been noticing that I have been airing a lot of interviews lately, conducting a lot of interviews lately, and airing them with conservative, Bible-believing, confessional, and Reformed Episcopalians and Anglicans.
The question is, what's the difference between an Episcopalian and an Anglican? And I typically will say, well, Episcopalian is a description of church government, and Anglican would be a historic term that connects them with the Church of England, although many of the smaller confessional Reformed denominations that have emerged no longer have an official tie with the Church of England.
They're just referring to a historical connection with Thomas Cranmer, the great hero of the Christian faith, responsible for the Thirty-Nine Articles of Religion, and the Book of Common Prayer, and so on.
But if you could, in your own words, answer that frequently asked question for my listeners.
Well, sure. And that also is kind of a complicated question, because there are some jurisdictions... When people ask me, what's Reformed Episcopal? And then people will say, what's that? I'll explain that I'm an Anglican, and then they'll say, what's that?
And then I have to begin again. Of course, I get it all the time. But, you know, we would explain that the Episcopal Church was founded in the late... Can you tell us the circumstances behind that, why that would evoke such a large exodus?
Sure.
As well it should be. There probably should have been a number of straws before that.
Well, and there have been continuing churches forming for years. I mean, the Reformed Episcopal...
And by the way, I just want to let you know a little bit of interesting trivia that I don't know if I informed you of. My landlady was raised by a Reformed Episcopal pastor. Her father was a Reformed Episcopalian.
She is currently in the PCA, the Presbyterian Church in America. And before that, a member of the Orthodox Presbyterian Church, where her husband pastored for many, many years.
Do you remember her father's name?
Yes, she is actually a direct descendant of Johann Sebastian Bach, B-A-C-H. So that is her maiden name.
Okay. I'm not familiar with him. I didn't know.
Yeah, great.
Yeah. So yeah, so we were founded in the 1970s. If I could go into that.
Yeah.
I look forward to having him back. He is a brilliant guest, and I really enjoyed interviewing him and look forward to many more interviews with him.
Yes, I hold him in high regard. He's a good man. But yeah, so he is a part of one of those breakaway groups.
Yes, I happen to agree with that wholeheartedly. And it boggles my mind that those that believe in the inerrancy of Scripture could possibly justify the ordination of women. But I do have friends who are in denominations that are still Bible-believing and conservative and yet ordain women.
So I don't want to broad brush those folks with liberalism. They have completely different reasons than the liberals and apostates do for ordaining women. So even though I disagree with it, I respond completely differently to those that are coming out of perhaps a Wesleyan holiness background or some kind of a Pentecostal background that even though I disagree with those theological perspectives, there is not a leftist reason for them ordaining women.
Right. Yeah, and...
No, go ahead.
Yep, so the APA didn't join with the...
Great.
Well, now let us dive into this very controversial theme, the Anglican identity crisis. And if you could restate those types of churches that you believe fall under the umbrella of the main term or the primary term, Anglican.
Yes, so since theology, I have this idea that there are... You have in the ACA, Kirk...
By the way, you're breaking up again, Reverend McArdle. I'm not sure what you were doing differently a moment ago, but you're starting to break up again.
It's just my house. It's kind of a dead zone. Can you hear me now?
Yes, I can.
Okay, good. So, you have those Anglo-Catholic groups...
You broke up again. I'm sorry, you broke up again.
Nope, nope, it's fine. I said I often joke about how calling Anglo-Reform...
Well, that's always music to my ears.
Yeah, simple church.
There are no white... See, you broke up there. They're not using the prayer book anymore, and then you said there are no, and you broke up.
Right, so they're vestments...
Now, let me ask you a question, and forgive me if this comes across in a insulting way, and I don't mean it to be, towards the Reformed Episcopal Church, but I have noticed in my communications with the REC over the years that there seems to be an influx, a growing number of Oxford movement Anglo-Catholics being admitted into the ministry, into the ordained pastorate in the Reformed Episcopal Church, and I had a very unpleasant encounter back...
It was either the early 2000s or the 1990s. One of the reasons I have a deep interest in all things Anglican and Episcopalian is that my father's side of the family, even though I was raised Roman Catholic before my rebirth in Christ and came to believe in the true gospel, which caused me to abandon Roman Catholicism, my father's side of the family has always been predominantly Episcopalian and Anglican, and my uncle, one of my uncles in the Washington State area, he is now deceased, but he was hinting to me that he was very likely going to leave the Episcopal Church over its leftist ideas and apostasy, and he was flirting with the idea of becoming a Roman Catholic, which unfortunately he actually eventually did.
And before he converted to Catholicism, I was calling Reformed Episcopal Churches to see how close any of them might be to where my uncle lived in Washington State, and an RAC pastor actually said to me that I was a moron for being concerned about my uncle's conversion to Roman Catholicism, and that he had more in common with his Roman Catholic brothers than idiots like me who are Reformed Baptists.
I was taken aback by that. I mean, first of all, for any pastor to respond to somebody with that kind of language is amazing, but it provoked in me further investigation, and upon speaking with genuinely Reformed and Protestant members of the REC, they have shared with me that that is a sad phenomenon of the growing numbers of Anglo-Catholic men in the ministry and in the priesthood in the REC.
So if you could just comment on what I said, and again, I hope I did not insult you in any way.
Oh no, not at all. We are part of that. In terms of our history, to the 19th Ciscapellians at one time were just prescient. Identity, where one of our bishops was the president of Moody Bible, and I'm coming into the church as well.
Bishop Leonard said that we need a prayer book. In fact, I'm going to have you pick up right at that point when we.
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Before the break, Reverend McCarl, you may recall you were just about to lay out something of historic significance in the Reformed Episcopal Church, and that had to do with being more clear about your identity, whether you were.
Presbyterian or Anglican, if I'm not mistaken. Yes, so Bishop Rich's identity was clear, so things were reintroduced, such as to the Geneva gown, which was, those seem like small things, but to Anglicans those are kind of a big deal.
And so financial support of the church, and so that's still kind of, and so a little bit hard. In fact, that very rude REC priest.
That I told you about moments ago, who said that I was a moron for being concerned over my uncle converting to Roman Catholicism, I said to him, you know, I'm more of an Anglican than you are, because I actually believe in the majority of the 39 articles.
You cannot, with your mindset on Roman Catholicism, truly believe in those articles, because they're clearly Protestant. And he said to me, and I thank God that that embarrassing relic is really winding up on the dustbin of history.
Yeah. And this was an REC ordained priest, and we'll get to that in a moment, because we do have a listener who has a question about the term priest. But so this man either was dishonest when he was ordained, by saying that he affirmed the 39 articles,.
Or he had abandoned them. Right. We had an interesting encounter in ministry a couple of years ago. I was over at Coors Dakin, and I was chatting with the chaplain, and you know, I said, everybody's like, I just said, I really, I said, actually, I'm a Reformed Episcopalian.
And lo and behold, either he or his father went to RAS Seminary, so he knew all about the Reformed Episcopal Church, and we had a good time of fellowship. But the 39 articles in the Old Church... I just wish I could remember his name and his church right now.
It was so long.
Ago. Yeah, you said we had a question? Oh, yes. We have John in Bangor, Maine, who says, the more I read about the Reformed Anglican movement, the more pleased I am with it. But I am somewhat dismayed about some of the trappings that seems to be clung to by some, not all, Reformed Anglicans, such as the term priesthood, which I understand the excuse is that it is an abbreviation of presbytos, but I don't believe that that's a legitimate excuse, because the priesthood has a certain and specific definition to it, and the only priesthood that we have in the New Testament is the priesthood of all believers.
And also, for the title father, which the New Testament clearly forbids when it comes to spiritual leaders. Can you please.
Respond to these criticisms? Yes, they're pretty typical. Especially from a former Roman Catholic.
Like me, because to tell you the truth, it concerns me as well. Yes, so in the Reformed.
Episcopal Church, it's always been customary to refer to a priesthood. I think that Winston's actually got a really... That's what I've heard, actually, that in Britain, in the UK, it's really.
Hardly ever, if ever, used. It's vicar and so on, but never father. Even among Anglo-Catholics,.
It's my understanding that they don't use them. Outside of the United States, you mean? Right, in the United Kingdom, the Anglo-Catholics wouldn't use the term father. Now, of course, in my parish, that term was used, I think in part because the last vicar...
Yes, I have, as I said,.
I have heard that from another Reformed Anglican pastor, which was actually quite a surprise to me. He also told me something that Bishop Robinson confirmed, was that when people express concern or dismay or even disgust over Anglicans or Episcopalians wearing clerical collars, the concept that was totally new to me was that, in irony, the Roman Catholic priesthood adopted the collar to imitate Presbyterians, to be more assimilated amongst the clergy, and that it doesn't have Roman Catholic origins.
Yeah, I actually prefer the Anglican,.
What we would call dog collar, which goes around the neck. It's a more Protestant look, and I have a friend... That's excellent. ...Anglican, the more, I should say, the more Presbyterian look.
Yeah, and it's interesting that outside of mainline Presbyterianism, most of the conservative Bible-believing Presbyterian denominations, with some exception, their pastorate very rarely wear collars at all.
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That's chrisarnson at gmail .com. And Rev. McCall, before we have you continue where you left off, we do have a question from the aforementioned David Waterman, the field associate for Central Pennsylvania CBMC, which is the Christian Businessmen's Connection.
And for those of you who just tuned us in, David Waterman is the one who strongly recommended that I invite Rev. McCall onto this program for an interview. And Dave says, great interview, just need an explanation on what is slash was the Oxford Movement, and was it Thomas Cranmer who actually formed the Anglican Church?
And greetings to Brother Ricky, appreciate the ministry of Good Shepherd Anglican. Well, let me start with the first one,.
Because I love Cranmer sees this as an opportunity to reform the church. Ironically, some liberalism in the church and services, the Catholic elements are free to just to clarify for our audience,.
Who may hear these other terms come up either today or in other programs about Anglicanism. Aren't the Anglo Catholics not only known as being a part of the Oxford Movement, but also they're known as Tractarians and Puseyites?
Well, yes, the Puseyites are definitely a strain of Anglo Catholics. I don't know that I would.
Because... Well, Dave Waterman, thank you so much for the excellent question. And please continue listening to the program and continue spreading the word about it in Cumberland County, Pennsylvania and beyond.
Your friendship is treasured greatly, my dear brother. Well, if you could now pick up where you left off, Reverend McCall, about the Anglican identity crisis, and really why this is such a very important thing, because at times the very heart of the gospel of Jesus Christ.
Itself is at stake here. Yeah. Well, one of the big issues we're dealing with now in the... A lot of this is being pushed by certain of Anglicanism. I think I said Anglican identity, that their doctrines...
Anglicans get their doctrines including the church that we're dealing with into the church. Just recently, charismatic Christians coming into the Catholics and they've really been able to put a form of Anglicanism.
Great. And by the way, let me ask.
You another question that was stated or involved something that was stated to me by a fellow Reformed Anglican, and I was curious what your take on it was. He told me that he is fairly certain that the reason why most Anglo-Catholic bishops do not fully swim all the way through the Tiber River back to Rome is that in doing so they would lose their status as bishops and become lowly priests in the Roman Catholic Church were they to convert.
He is convinced otherwise these Anglo-Catholic bishops would convert and fully bring their parishes into the subjection of the Pope of Rome. Now, what is your reaction to that? Well, I can't speak for those bishops.
Because I'm not a bishop. That's interesting that you say that. As I brought up, I think,.
With Bishop Robinson, my grandmother's parish priest when she was still living in Amityville, Long Island, the parish priest there in a very high church, Anglo-Catholic church, and I don't mean to make high church and Anglo-Catholic synonyms because I know that there are high church Protestants in the Anglican Church, but he has dabbled with the idea of converting to Eastern Orthodoxy because of the leftist apostasy in the Episcopal Church.
Yeah, I know a lot of clergy have gone into the Western Right Orthodox Church. There was a bishop, I believe, the Western Right Orthodox. So, I know there have been a lot of people who have gone to Rome, but there have been a lot who have also gone to the East, and I think Anglicans, we don't see.
I think there might be... I know for me, I would never do well. I've always...
And one of the specific reasons why what you just said is important for the listener who is unaware, but one of the most primary conflicts of Augustine's day was with Pelagius, who denied original sin, and Eastern Orthodoxy also, to this day, denies original sin.
Yeah, yeah, and you will run across Anglican or sin problem, and that it's congenital. So, I don't really know how they get around that. There also isn't a real... I have several friends from college who were in Charismatic Churches and are now Eastern Orthodoxy.
The appeal to academic... Let me also give a little caveat here.
Although I am a strict cessationist regarding the sign gifts, I am a confessional Reformed Baptist. I do not approve of Charismatic or uniquely Pentecostal phenomena, and having said that, I have cherished friendships with brothers and sisters in Christ, whom I also highly value as brothers and sisters and friends who have contributed greatly to my own life and walk with Christ.
Sometimes it's because their lives have demonstrated such godliness and holiness that it puts mine to shame, and so therefore I have learned a great deal in that realm from these Charismatic and Pentecostal friends.
So, I just wanted to make sure that my listeners aren't getting the vibe that I am some kind of vehement anti-Charismatic to an extreme, which I am not. But I do, as I just mentioned, I do reject the modern sign gifts, and I do reject the idea of new extra-biblical revelation, and so on.
But what would be the reason why you reject the concept of the Charismatic movement being a stream of authentic Anglicanism?
Well, first, I just wanted to say thanks for mentioning that other piece, because I, too, have great friendships with Charis My point here is just that I don't think I guess my
Is there an article Oh, yes, about the foreign tongues.
Yes. Now, that's specifically That article is specifically referring to Sunday at Good Shepherd. We went from I was told that the Lutheran highlight, the 24th set, is of speaking in the common word of God of the people.
And that, at the time, was referring to Latin,.
Rather than the gift of so-called tongues today. Exactly. But I would argue that it has direct.
Implicue. Yes. And that's one of the reasons I would reject it. I'm not going to find fault with Christians. We do have Ronald in eastern Suffolk County, Long Island, who has a question.
He says, forgive me if I have been misunderstanding some of the things said by your guest, but I was just wondering if he is taking the differences between Reformed Anglicanism and the Anglo-Catholic tradition seriously enough.
I happen to think that Roman Catholicism, of which Anglo-Catholicism is an imitation, is presenting a false gospel and is idolatrous in its practice, and I know that some Anglo-Catholics even pray to saints.
Do you take this division as seriously as I and many other Reformed brothers and sisters do? In terms of Ang In terms of.
Catholicism, interestingly, I don't know that I would phrase it the way men did, playing the differences. I just think that there are sometimes people who take the differences. I don't believe it. I don't believe it.
Yes, I would agree that there are many.
Godly Roman Catholics who I will see in heaven, but they are Roman Catholic in name only, because I have a hard time harmonizing what Paul said about the Judaizers, the Apostle Paul, obviously, what he said about the Judaizers having no gospel at all, and I think that a Roman Catholic has a hard time making the case that the sin or the apostasy of the Judaizers is less, or should I say, more serious than the Roman Catholic official dogma on justification, and adding, clearly adding works as a cooperative cause for one to be made right with God.
How do you fit those two things together where, and of course there are many Roman Catholics who, a minority for certain, but there are many that reject Rome's definition of the gospel as defined by the Council of Trent, which is still dogma, who will be in heaven, but at the same time, how do you reconcile Paul's clear condemnation and even anathematizing of the Judaizers while having a somewhat extended open hand of fellowship in some regard to Roman Catholics?
Yeah, I think it comes down to the fact that there are probably a number of Roman Catholics who love Jesus, believe in Jesus, and are trusting...
Yeah, that's why I actually said that many who are in that category that you just described will be in heaven, but I'm talking about a Roman Catholic who celebrates and declares as still valid the definition of the gospel by the Council of Trent.
Yeah, I think we would have problems in Anglican churches, that's what they're talking about. In terms of Anglicatholicism, again, we can't treat Anglicatholicism as a monolithic movement. I do not have, I personally, as an Anglican, that's an extreme that...
That's more Roman than the official Roman Catholic Church of the 21st century.
Yes, so that's an extreme out in left field that I don't really have anything to... I don't think it's accurate that I'm not taking seriously the differences...
And before we go to the final break, I'll actually read you a question, and you can answer when we return from our final break, which, by the way, is much shorter than the other two, so rest assured we won't be going too long.
But we have Susan Margaret in Dauphin County, Pennsylvania, who wants to know, how corrupted is the Church of England outside of the United States in regards to leftist apostasy? I know that here in America, obviously, the vast majority of the official mainline Episcopal Church has collapsed to leftist apostasy, with some exceptions, but how much of this is true outside of the United States?
We'll have you answer that when we return from our final break. If anybody wants to join us with your own question, please do so by sending in your question immediately, because we're rapidly running out of time.
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Recall, Susan Margaret from Dauphin County, Pennsylvania wanted to know if the Church of England is just as apostate as the majority of Episcopalianism in the United States.
Yes, in fact, I would actually argue that they're together working towards undermining the gospel. I watched it and I was mortified that the, to stand up there and the bishops rides in the cathedral. A ministry shouldn't that we would have with the Church of England would be through our conservative cultural Marxism, because he was supposed to be an evangelical.
We have an anonymous listener who just has a comment, no question, but this anonymous listener says, my nephew left the assembly of God and went to strict Catholic, but because of Pope Francis, a turn to Russian Orthodoxy and has moved to become a rector at a Russian Orthodox parish.
The strange things going on in Pentecostal circles caused him to change. Yeah. Well, I want you to make sure that you have at least a minute to summarize what you most want etched in the hearts and minds of our listeners today before we go off the air.
Yes. Well, I think that the big thing is that we as Anglicans need to figure out who we are. That's our founding. Amen. And of course, I think the importance of confessionalism is a big part.
Of this. I happen to be a confessional reform Baptist who has much in common with the 39 articles of religion. And I think that the abandonment of confessionalism has, has wrought great destruction and apostasy in the church.
But I want to make sure our listeners have your website. Once again, is grace. I'm sorry. It is good shepherd Anglican .net good shepherd Anglican .net. And I want to thank you so much for being on the show today.
I want to thank all of our listeners, especially those who took the time to write in questions. I want you all to always remember for the rest of your lives, that Jesus Christ is a far, far greater savior than you are a sinner.