Matt Slick Live: July 23, 2024

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The following program is recorded content created by The Truth Network. It's Matt Slick Live!

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Matt is the founder and president of the Christian Apologetics Research Ministry, found online at CARM .org.

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When you have questions about Bible doctrines, turn to Matt Slick Live for answers. Taking your calls and responding to your questions at 877 -207 -2276.

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Here's Matt Slick. Hey, everybody. Welcome to the show. It's me, Matt Slick. You're listening to Matt Slick Live. I hope you're all going to have a good day, and I'm out of breath because I had to hurry up and got stuck in traffic, and you guys know how that goes.

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Hey, look. If you want to give me a call, all you have to do is dial 877 -207 -2276.

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I want to hear from you. You can give me a call, and we can talk, and if you are interested in emailing me, you can do that as well.

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All you have to do is just send an email to info at CARM .org.

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Info at CARM .org, and it should be fine there. You can give me a good ring.

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I mean, not a good ring, but you can give me an email there. Just put in the subject line, radio comment or radio question.

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That's all you got to do. All right, and then we can get to all the stuff we got to get to.

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Let's get on the air here with Robert from California. Robert, welcome. You're on the air. Hi, Scott.

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Good day to you, Matt. My question is in Revelation. I don't have the exact chapter.

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I'm kind of calling it by memory, but it speaks about five kings are fallen.

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One is, and one is yet to come, and the beast that comes out of the bottomless pit, he is the eighth king, but it's up to seven, and I want to know what your intake is on that.

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Okay, let's get to it then, my program here. So you're talking about the arrival of the

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Antichrist, I think, a little bit, right? Revelation 17. I don't, right now,

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I don't have the exact chapter. Okay. Let me get to it. I'm doing it by memory.

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Okay. That's fine. Yeah. I'm just opening up my program now. I had a, I was stuck in, let's just say

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I was out there in the traffic. So all right, Revelation 17, here we go. All right.

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And what was it again? The basic, what was it? It's about there being seven kings, five are fallen, and one is, one is, and one is yet to come.

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Yes. Yes. Coincidentally, I just did an article on what political party would the

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Antichrist belong to, and it, you know, it was interesting, and I went through, actually went through some of this stuff.

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It was, let's put it this way, it's a little confusing exactly on who and what and how it's all going to be done, but it looks like that the beast, which is the

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Antichrist, is going to be joined by, with the false prophet, and there's going to be a political move, which has seven heads and seven mountains on which the woman sits.

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Now, this, a lot of people think that is the Roman Catholic Church, because the Vatican, they say, sits in seven small hills, and the woman, maybe

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Mary, who knows, there's a lot of this conjecture. But it looks like the kings deal with the political parties or nations that are fallen, and so the little king is the leader, maybe the

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Antichrist, who then will take over for a little while. That's basically what

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I've understood it to be. Okay? Okay. And who do you believe the kings are?

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Are they kings or kingdoms? Probably, they could be either. You see, it could be a president or something like that, not a literal king, but it's a seat of power, whether that is a nation, a government, an individual, we don't know.

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But the Antichrist will take control of the majority of the world, and he'll have to take his mark in order to buy and sell.

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He'll persecute people, and he'll probably be homosexual, and be pro -abortion and things like that.

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So this is what's going to happen. So that's what it looks like there. Okay, I just wondered if it's just the same thing as the image in the book of Daniel, where he sees an image that's made up of different empires.

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And I wondered if there was a correlation between what Daniel saw and what

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John is describing in Revelation. Yeah, there is a correlation, because it talks about times, times and half of times.

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And so, in Daniel, if I can get to it, and yeah, that's right,

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Daniel 7, says, He will speak out against the Most High, and wear down the saints of the Highest One, and He will intend to make alterations in times and in the law, and it will be given to His hand for time, times, and half a time.

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And most people that I've studied who've talked about this say that that is the description of the

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Antichrist. A time, times, and half a time, three and a half years. A time is single, times is two, so two plus one is three, and a half, three and a half years out of the seven -year tribulation is what they do.

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So that's what that looks like is going on there, talking about the Antichrist. Okay, all right,

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Michael. Thanks a lot. Well, Dennis, I like listening to you, and I appreciate your insights very much.

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Okay, well, I appreciate that. Yeah, eschatology is not my forte, in that knowing all the different views, but it's something we need to study, because the

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Bible talks a lot about it, and so I need to get even better at it. I know a lot of stuff, but there's a lot of balancing and a lot of verses in particular, like you've raised, so good stuff, though.

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Do you write any books, media commentaries that you would recommend on Revelation?

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What I would do, and I don't have any specifics, I would go get a book that promotes premillennialism, a book that promotes amillennialism, and a book that promotes postmillennialism, and I would go through all of them and see which one makes the most sense, because the issue of Revelation, some say that it is chronological.

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From the first chapter to the last chapter. Some say, not necessarily, it might be heptatic, which means seven.

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It might be seven views of the same set of events from different angles, and that's legitimate as well.

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Then there's the amillennial position, which I think makes a lot of sense, and then there's the premillennial position, which a lot of people go to Revelation 20 for.

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The postmillennialists say things are going to get better in the world. I personally don't see that as being the case, but I think if you really want to study it and make up your own mind, that you should get a book that does all the views, or three books, small ones, that do the representative views.

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That's what I would do. Are you familiar with the book, The Bible and the Future, by Anthony Hokema? I know who

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Hokema is, and I haven't read that book in particular, so no, I'm not familiar with that one.

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I know he's an amillennialist. I've read the book. I thought it was very insightful, and he presents a whole different view from what

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I used to believe. Yeah, same with me. I was converted to amillennialism about 25, 30 years ago by reading some scriptures, and I haven't looked back.

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But it doesn't mean it's the right view. I'm hoping that it's pre -tribulation rapture and we get out of here, but I don't believe that's the case.

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So I do say that you do need to study, make up your own mind according to what you think, in all honesty and integrity, that you think the scriptures are teaching.

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That's what I would urge you to do. That's what I would do. Okay, Matt. Thank you so much.

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Okay. All right. Well, God bless. Okay. Talk to you later. Okay. Bye.

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All right. All right. Hey, if you want to give me a call, all you got to do is dial 877 -207 -2276.

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Let's get to Jamal from North Carolina. Welcome. You're on the air. Hey, Matt.

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This is your Vice President of the Slickism Congress. How are you doing today, sir? Doing all right, man.

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Hanging in there. Hanging in there. That's right. Good deal. Good deal. I had a question about, you said that the version that you like is the

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ESV. Is that correct? No, I like the NASV. That's what

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I like. NASV. NASV. Yes. Okay. So how can we, you know, to be respectful, of course, if the new

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King James has some issues with it, how can we trust the other versions?

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Well, it's an issue of understanding a few variables. So let me give you an example of something.

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In Spanish, to say, I'm hungry, you say, yo tengo hambre. And what it literally is, is

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I have hunger. All right. So how do we want to translate that? Do you want to translate it literally?

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It would be, I have hunger. But you might as well just say, I have hunger. But then you could get a little bit looser and just say,

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I'm hungry. Now, if you're Southern Californian and the surf stuff back in the 70s and 80s, it was,

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I'm craving grinds. And so each one of those conveys the truth, but for a different ear and for a different purpose.

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In the Old Testament, for example, when God would be angry, one of the phrases that would be used in the

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Hebrew is, he would clear his nostrils at you. Because that was an idiom for anger.

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Well, that wouldn't make sense to us. So they translated it as God is angry.

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And that makes sense, because that's what the idiom is. I remember back in seminary, there was an interesting dilemma that a linguist came in and spoke.

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A linguist had to deal with. And it was dealing with the translation of build your house on the rock, not in the sand.

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Because you're supposed to build on the rock, right? Well, there was a culture they were translating the Bible into where if you did that, the floods would sweep your house away.

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Because if you built on the rock, the rocks were flat. These long, flat rocks. The river would rise and just sweep you away because you had nothing to anchor to.

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So they would go build their houses on the sand by taking bamboo poles and drilling them down in the sand 8, 10 feet.

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Build their houses that way, that way it's secure. So what do you do when you translate it? Do you translate it literally?

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Or do you translate it for the meaning? What they decided to do was translate it for the meaning and then put a note explaining the original.

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What was going on and why. So people understood what was going on. So the NIV, for example, is more like that.

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Where the NASB is more like build it on the rock. The NIV would be build it on the sand.

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So where they're trying to get the meaning across but the NASB wants the meaning as well as the literalness as possible.

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Where the ESV is a step towards the NIV in that looseness.

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And they're all fine. Now the King James Version, I don't recommend people study out of it.

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And the reason is because it was translated with 5th century documents. And since the

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King James has been translated we've found even older manuscripts and the older ones are just universally considered to be more accurate or better.

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So the newer translations have newer understanding and more precise understanding of certain

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Greek constructions which the King James messes up in Titus 2 .13.

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The Granville Sharp Rule generally is applied there. And I can get into that some other time. So the

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NASB doesn't make a mistake there nor does the ESV. So the King James is good but it has anachronisms it has all kinds of stuff and yet it's cool sounding but we don't talk with these vows now.

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So you see, it depends on what your goal is. Me, I want as literal as possible.

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That's the NASB. And if someone doesn't want the literal as possible the

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ESV is pretty stinking good. Wow.

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I wasn't expecting all that but as usual you go above and beyond.

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I appreciate that. I will probably call back in line with a break coming up.

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Yeah, we've got a break coming up. Call back, buddy. Bye. Okay, God bless.

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Hey folks, we'll be right back after these messages. 877 -207 -2276

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We'll be right back. It's Matt Slick live taking your calls at 877 -207 -2276

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Here's Matt Slick. Alright everyone, welcome back to the show. Let's get on with Elijah from Pennsylvania.

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Elijah, welcome, you're on the air. Hey Matt, my question today is out of Leviticus 25 39 and 40 and the reason

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I bring this up is because I saw a debate I think a couple weeks ago I think it was between Matt Delahunty and somebody else and you had answered my slavery in the

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Bible questions before but this is a new argument that I saw come up when I watched that debate.

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It says if any of your fellow Israelites become poor and sell themselves to you, do not make them slaves.

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They are to be treated as hired workers or temporary residents among you.

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They are to work for you until the year of Jubilee. So the argument that Matt Delahunty brought forth is that his response was that Christians say that there's a difference between slaves in the

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Old Testament and the slaves of the 1800s.

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He said if that's the case then why does it make a difference between slave labor and hired workers because the

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Bible says that you can sell yourself as a hired worker and here it's saying that the fellow

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Israelites are not to work as slaves but they are to work as hired workers so his argument is that foreigners are treated as slaves but the

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Israelites are treated as hired workers and they sell themselves to you. What would be your response?

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First of all, Delahunty doesn't know the issue of biblical slavery so I have a section on it on CARM and you can go read on it but slavery in the

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Old Testament is not like it was in the 1800s and what's called chattel slavery where the person was actually owned as a person.

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In the Old Testament slavery there's no real word that is the same as what we have in English.

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There's like four or five different words for slavery and there's different kinds and so what he's talking about here is why is there a difference between the countrymen and non -countrymen and the reason is explained in the next few verses verse 42 for they are my servants whom

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I brought out of the land of Egypt. They are not to be sold as a slave sale. You shall not rule over them with severity but to revere

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God and the reason is because Israel came out of Egypt. It's a type of salvation the ultimate issue here is to understand that what hold on the issue here is that it's a type of salvation that is represented in not being a slave, not being bound to sin, not being bound to the sin master

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Egypt. They're brought out of it, they're delivered so don't treat them in such a way that is reminiscent of that they can certainly go into a self it's called a bond slave indentured servitude and various things like that and so that's what the difference is and that's why they're treated differently because the people of Israel were a type of deliverance because they came out of Egypt a type of deliverance by the

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Messiah type Moses. Now notice that they passed through the water and they were baptized into Moses that's 1

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Corinthians 10 so the typological response here deals with the issue of redemption and this is why there's a difference between the non -Jew and the

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Jew as far as how they would be treated and to what level ok alright

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I do have one more question here's the thing about talking to the atheists and bringing up slavery,

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I love doing that and I say what kind of slavery? Do you know what kinds there are in the Bible? Have you researched it? Do you think it's the same thing as it was 1800s chattel slavery?

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Because in the Old Testament the slaves had rights in fact when a slave escaped he was not to be returned to his master as was property so how could it be property?

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How could it be like that? And first of all, or second I'll say to the atheists is slavery wrong?

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Of course it's wrong. Why? You're an atheist. Who cares? If it's just whatever atheism says you want to say it is wrong ontologically you're assigning a moral value to an action that's universally applicable

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How do you do that with your atheism? And then they start backing themselves into corners trying to explain that So anyway, there's lots of ways to respond to it but there you go, ok?

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Yeah, I have one more question Sure It's out of that same chapter we found a verse let's see here

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Leviticus 25 46 So atheists will respond saying if slavery in the

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Bible is not the same as modern slavery then what about this verse where it says you may also pass them on as an inheritance to your sons after you to receive them as a possession you can use them as permanent slaves but in respect to your country you should not rule with severity over them

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I think the verse before ok, no alright, so that's not important but yeah, so verse 46 is the verse that they give so how would you respond to them on that one?

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See, what is there's another another way of looking at it that the scriptures talk about, don't have it at the top of my head where it says for he, the one who is in that position is his, the owner's money and so the slave will use the generic term but, which is a lot of different, like evad is one of the words, and there's some other ones too and sakur so it's like the money that is owed by the contract can be transferred to somebody else and the way

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I liken it is sports players can have contracts and they've signed on the dotted line and they're obligated to play for a certain team for however much money and however long now this isn't a one for one comparison but, their contracts can be sold or transferred to somebody else and they can move from their team to another place, and it's that kind of thing that I see as being in there but what's interesting is you can use them as permanent slaves, they can be there permanently, and I'd have to read the whole context to see what the condition was that it was an issue of permanence plus there's another issue which

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I have to look into the issue of people captured in war and a lot of times those people were permanent slaves and they still had rights, they could own property they could they were often considered members of the household but when

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Israel would go in and battle, and this wasn't just Israel, it happened all over the Mediterranean area at the time, that a victorious nation would then take the members who were slaveable take them into their country separate them from different houses so they could not communicate and raise up an army to resist plus they were used as a means of reparations for the battles, and the cost of the battles and a third thing is, this may sound odd, but it was merciful because if they were to be left in that country where there was mayhem robbery and starvation and famine they would suffer even more not saying it's perfect, but that's what it is hold on, we'll get back to you right after these messages, please stay tuned

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It's Matt Slick Live! Taking your calls at 877 -207 -2276

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Here's Matt Slick Alright, welcome back to the show let's get back on with the live just so we can wrap it up A lot of stuff there

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Elijah, I hope that helped Yeah it kind of helps out

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I have a question though would you be interested in doing a moderated discussion with Matt DeLaHunty on slavery in the

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Bible, because I think that would be pretty interesting to watch Yeah, I think it would be interesting It all depends on what level we want to get to a moderated discussion if he wants to say it's morally right or wrong

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I'm going to attack him on his atheism as a Christian, we can talk about an internal thing let me explain some things when discussing a topic, there's what's called an internal or an external critique an internal critique is you go within that worldview and you examine it within that worldview to see if it's consistent self contradictory, etc an external critique is you use something outside of that worldview to judge that worldview that's what atheists do all the time they use what's called an external critique they will say that they are in privilege of knowing certain moral values because we have evolved blah blah blah, to be overly simplified and what they'll do then is impose those values upon the

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New Testament or the Bible what gives you the right to do that is called an external critique

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I can do an external critique and say your atheism is false because the Bible says God exists so therefore all your arguments and your moral objections are meaningless so he's going to have to stay or he would, or anybody would with what's called an internal critique at that point, all it comes down to is me just answering questions and different issues and saying things like murdering a

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Jewish or non -Jewish slave was punishable by death or both the Jews and the non -Jews both the slaves and the non -slaves were under the same laws both could be beaten the non -slaves as well as the slaves could be beaten both were to be set free

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Jewish slaves as well as non -Jewish slaves, to be set free if they were injured all kinds of stuff it's not the same thing people may want to complain you don't like it

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I'm not saying it's the best system but that's what it was and there were rules set up to dignify it but to make it less severe

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I have a question sure alright so the discussion it'll most likely be titled

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Does the Bible Condemn Slavery because I think that's the title of most of these slavery debates but my question is how would you respond to him if he asks you this because he asks everybody this question during his slavery debates he asks how come

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God can say do not murder, do not steal do not commit adultery, do not eat shellfish do not eat pork but he can't say thou shall not own another human being's property how would you respond to him if he asks you that question of why

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God did not give that commandment yeah he's mistaken because property is to be returned if it's lost and the

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Bible tells us that slaves when they would escape their bad masters were not to be returned so they're not property so he's not understanding the biblical position which is very often the case so I would just tell him look that's not what the position is that's not what the

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Christian or the biblical position and why did God condone and he did, he condoned slavery but he didn't condone it as a proper moral thing he condoned it as this is the reality we'll work with it and so he put limits on it, that's what

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God did and then another question is why didn't Jesus condemn it well Jesus didn't come here to condemn any political system because it was a political system slaves were very very prominent and it was actually considered in some areas a respectable position to be in and they were called douloi slaves that would voluntarily stay with their master's household for the rest of their lives because they loved them for their family and the slaves were often considered very valuable members of the household and so it's just not the same thing chattel slavery is not the case in the

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Old Testament it's not there so it often comes under the issue of clarifying terms and issues and I say to atheists when

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I debate them impromptu or formally, I routinely will say whatever particular topic it is

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I say look, I'd be willing to teach you what the Christian perspective really is on this, not what you think it is and they never take me up on it nobody ever does and it's interesting so that would be the same thing

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I would offer here I have a lot of notes on it I have a very small file 14 pages of notes on slavery which

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I could double easily but okay I think I might check out your articles on slavery to study up the princess positions against the atheists and even if God says you shall have slaves you'll say to the atheists yeah, what's wrong with that I'm not saying approve of it

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I'm just saying what's wrong with it what's the moral thing you're going to stand on to say it's not correct because the problem is if they say it's universally morally wrong then they're saying that there's a universal moral obligation that's a transcendental moral how do you have that in atheism you can't so they're being inconsistent with their worldview and what they're doing is adopting a theistic worldview in order to argue against another theistic worldview while they deny theism they're incredibly inconsistent and I point this out to them when we're having our discussions their inconsistency and then after I've done that I go in and address certain things okay thanks for your help

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I really appreciate your breakdown of scripture alright man well god bless buddy alright we'll see ya alright now let's get to Mandy from North Carolina Mandy welcome hi can you hear me yes

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I can awesome I have been so eager to speak with you

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I do have a little anxiety when I talk publicly so just bear with me it feels like I'm waiting in line for the world's longest rollercoaster

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I thought it was ironic how you started your program talking about the antichrist because this has been something

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I've been reading about for the last few days my husband and I listened to the remnant radios podcast and they were talking about um like like a hypothetical

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I don't know the more that I read scripture about it like I really was what's the word a pre -tribulation rapture that's just because like you know that's what my church taught but as I have been reading more and more into it

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I'm not really conflicted but I am leaning more heavily towards there not being a rapture at all like it just doesn't make any sense to me the more that I read and when

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I go into the Olivet Discourse of Matthew 24 and 25 you know talking to the disciples and they ask him what are the signs of your coming and the end of the age

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I think it stands out to me in um verse 15 where he says then ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation and it's almost like he's speaking to us because um

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I'm reading out of KJV and it has parenthesis that says whoso readeth let him understand and it says that twice um and it's just very compelling because it feels like it seems like he's speaking to believers that we are going to see the abomination of desolation and there's just like right so I just I guess my question is

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I know Christians have different interpretations and I guess

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I just like if you believe that the Lord is like putting it on your heart that there's not going to be a rapture like it just doesn't make any sense to you how would you let's talk about that I guess

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I don't have a specific question I just want to kind of have some like discourse on it let's define what the rapture is let's define it so it's the would you agree it's

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Jesus comes back when it occurs and people are changed in their bodies, resurrected bodies happens very quickly and they go up into the air to meet him there it's called the rapture right okay well we've got a break coming up here so I'll start but let me do this this is 1

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Corinthians 15 alright and it says in a moment in the twinkling of an eye at the last trumpet for the trumpet will sound and the dead will be raised imperishable and will be changed well that's 1

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Corinthians 15 .52 so we're going to come back to that then I'm going to read something out of 1 Thessalonians then we'll talk about it okay okay great alright well hold on hey folks we'll be right back after these messages please stay tuned we'll be right back it's

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Matt Slick live taking your calls at 877 -207 -2276 here's

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Matt Slick alright everyone welcome back to the show let's get back on with Mandy are you still there hi

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I'm here okay let's read 1 Corinthians 1 Corinthians 15 .52 again and then we're going to go someplace else and I'll show you something okay so it says that in a moment

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I hear some clicking and tapping in the background there I don't know if that is I'm looking at the

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Bible on my phone okay so 1

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Corinthians 15 .52 it says in a moment in the twinkling of an eye at the last trumpet the last trumpet the trumpet will sound the dead will be raised the imperishable will be changed now let's go to 1

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Thessalonians 4 starting at verse 16 it says for the

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Lord himself will descend from heaven with a shout in the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God and the dead in Christ will rise first so remember 1

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Corinthians 15 .52 that the last trumpet will sound the dead will be raised imperishable that's the dead in Christ those who have died in faith okay the trumpet of God the dead in Christ will rise first then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the

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Lord in the air so we shall always be with the Lord doesn't that sound like the rapture no yeah see

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I'm not saying that that's not gonna happen like it's pretty clear that we will be lifted up but I don't think but that's the rapture the rapture is the last trumpet

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Christ returns we're resurrected caught up to meet him in the air that's exactly what the rapture is right but I guess it's just like when you know what

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I mean but it's like also significant to me I just don't know maybe you can clarify what it says the last trumpet the last trumpet from like what he's saying in Revelation with you know the last trumpet the last trumpet is when the resurrection occurs that in Christ shall rise first that's the resurrection that's what it says so Matthew 24 it says so all these things will be torn down Jesus says tell us when will these things happen what will be the sign of your coming and the end of the age and so he starts telling people false prophets will arise danger will get really bad then he says but immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be dark and the moon will not give its light the stars will fall from the sky the powers of the heavens will be shaken and then the son of man will appear in the sky and then all the tribes and the earth will mourn they will see the son of man coming in the clouds of the sky because that's what's prophesied in Acts chapter 1 verses 9 -11 when he rises up in the air and the clouds take him away the angels tell the guys there he's going to come back the same way from the clouds and so that's what it says in 1

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Thessalonians 4 verse 16 he'll descend from heaven that's where the clouds are so back to Matthew 24 the heavens will be shaken the son of man will appear in the sky and then all the tribes and the earth will mourn and they will see the son of man coming in the clouds and he will send forth his angels with a great trumpet and will gather together his elect with a great trumpet that's the gathering, that's the election that's the rapture because they're gathered at the trumpet but that is according to 1

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Corinthians 15 -52 that's the last trumpet so we have to go through the tribulation furthermore to make it even worse

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I teach what's called deprescatology after you're done listening to my stuff you're depressed we're going to go through it and so Jesus gives the parable in Matthew 13 of the wheat and the tares and they say let's tear up the tares verse 30 allow both to go together till the harvest at the time of the harvest

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I'll say to the reapers first gather the tares and find them in bundles so you've heard this two men in a field and one is taken and one is left you've heard about that right?

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it's not the rapture if you read the context it's the wicked who are taken that's what that is

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I have read in the verse I think it's before that where he says such is the day as Noah was the wicked were taken yep well check this out back to Matthew 13 really fast because Jesus interprets the parable he gave he says in verse 40 so just as the tares are gathered up and burned with fire so shall it be at the end of the age the son of man will send forth his angels and they'll gather out of his kingdom all stumbling blocks but whoops because the kingdom has to have the bad people in it and Jesus says when he comes back which is at the end of the age the first ones taken are the wicked

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Matthew 24 Luke 17 two men in a field one is taken one is left that's the wicked who are taken and so it looks like we're going to go through all of it and the wicked are going to be here and he's going to take out of his kingdom the wicked and there's more

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I can go on and on about this and which verse I'm trying to find it where it says like even so the elect could be deceived because I felt like that really stood out to me and I guess my question or like I guess

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I guess it's a question I don't let me just try to phrase it as best as I can um so many

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Christians and I've read that it's more of like a western um kind of idea don't buy into that no

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I know but I guess what I'm trying to say is like if so many of like your friends are like you know like your church members like you know believe in a tribulation rapture that they're not going to be going through it um like how would you like how what do you do with this information because I've honestly like the last few days it's really been on my heart and it

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I believe you know we will be going through the tribulation and that's why we are told to be watchful and be careful and to be sober and be vigilant and to not be deceived because you know one day what if that day comes where um like you know it starts and you know people are going to be like well why do you need a rapture right people are not expecting this right it's a great problem and this basically started with the school field reference bible back in the early 1900's and stuff and the pre -trib rapture view is a relatively new view and it took hold in America and it's a very convenient doctrine because it fits into the

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American lifestyle we are comfortable war doesn't touch us we escape it it's not our land but others other outside and so it's a general idea but I absolutely deny that the pre -trib rapture is true and we will discuss it with people but I have arguments that I have not seen been able to address and get out of you know particularly

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Matthew 24 it says after the tribulation that's when they are going to be gathered and the gathering according to 1

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Corinthians 15 is the last trumpet and the last trumpet is when the rapture occurs and then the gathering the wicked are gathered first that really blows people away and they say no that must be in the millennium kingdom but it isn't because it happens at the end of the age there's only two ages and that's what most people don't know that's what people don't know there's two ages in the

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KJV that I'm reading off of right now it says the end of the world but in my husband's interlinear bible it says end of the age right it's the end of the age it's aionios is the word not cosmos but it's aionios so it's age, end of the age you'd be better off studying this stuff without the

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KJV you'd be better off with an ESB or an ESV right yeah

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I heard you talking about that I don't want to get off topic too much but I've always wondered because me and my husband we've been saved only at like five years now and we've only been to the same one church and when we got there it was very like we do

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KJV and this is what we believe it's already it's sounding bad it's sounding bad when people groups are

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KJV only there's usually some other stuff attached to it that's not healthy they can use the

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KJV that's fine but if it's KJV only if they say it's the only true bible etc if they say that that's very bad well no they never said like that's the only one they just kind of said that's the one they use ok that's fine but yeah what was

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I going to say we have callers waiting but if you want go to CARM what would you do how do you not process this information because I believe that the

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Lord is in control and I'm not going to be fearful and I'm just going to trust in Him and just follow

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Him and be vigilant but I guess how would you bring this up like if you felt led do you bring this up to your church leaders what would you suggest you first gather information that you can present to them and go to my website and look up the two ages model and it will give you a lot of information that you can bring up and I'd be willing to have a discussion with them they'll never do it but I'd be willing to discuss it and show them like pre -trib can't work it doesn't work out of scripture but we've got other callers

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I want to get to them before the end you're welcome so much

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God bless alright look at this comment on slavery we can't get to that one yet it's second coming

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Alex has been waiting 45 minutes but it's ok because it's just Alex hey buddy why did

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I even call in today because you can get insulted that's why because you like it you know those callers are more important than me

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I was just going to talk about Catholics I know they are most important but you waited a long time so what do you got what's up man

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I'm going to jump on the zoom two minutes so explain really quickly why we cannot refer to Mary as the mother of God because the bible doesn't refer to her as the mother of God it does refer to her as the mother she says the mother of my lord and that's how we should refer to her because there's a difference between saying that Mary is the mother of the

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Lord Jesus the deliverer, the Christ versus the mother of God because when you say the mother of God alright then she becomes deified and she's a functional goddess in Catholicism the great idolatry of the

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Roman Catholic Church and the Eastern Orthodox Church and this is part and parcel of the problematic the mother of God and stuff like that we shouldn't be calling her that yeah

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I'm going back and reporting to some guys online right now and the ecumenicalism is such a danger today and on top of it the

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Catholic Church in general is recruiting more and even some problems are saying that you can say whatever yeah

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I was going to go on and we want to talk because I want to do stuff to undermine as much of that heresy as I can we got to go talk to you later man sorry about that Tyler I wonder what you have to say tomorrow may the