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Hebrews 6 and the Question of Losing Salvation

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All right. Well, welcome to another Wrap Report Weekly Edition, and we are going to be answering a question that came in to us. Actually, it wasn't so much a question as it was a challenge. And that is, we were told that Hebrews 6, 4 to 6, teaches that you can lose your salvation.

Someone was looking at some of the courses that we have with the Striving for Eternity Academy, if you're not familiar with those. We have classes on systematic theology, how to interpret the Bible, an introduction to discipling, and one on world religions.

More coming. But someone was taking our class on systematic theology, and in doing so, they looked at it and responded and told us that we were wrong in teaching that one cannot lose their salvation. And they used Hebrews 6, verses 4 to 6, as a proof text.

Fortunately, I have a paper, an article, written on the website at strivingforeternity .org where we have the article there, so you could just search for Hebrews 6, and it'll come up. Or, Can You Lose Your Salvation?

And the article, we're going to go through that article for those of you who are listening or watching, and I'll drop the link to the article in the show notes so that you have it for future reference.

But this is an issue that comes up often. People that try to argue you can lose your salvation. And so it is one that we should deal with and should address. And make sure we rightly handle God's Word in doing so.

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For it is impossible in the case of those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the goodness of the Word of God, and the powers of the age to come, and then have fallen away to restore them again to repentance, since they were, since they are crucifying once again the Son of God to their own harm, and holding Him up in contempt.

Romans 8 and the Clearer Passage Principle

So that's the passage. Does that teach that someone can lose their salvation? Well, many are confused by this, because they look at this, and they think that it contradicts Romans chapter 8, verses 35 to 39, which states, Who shall separate us from the love of Christ?

Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or danger, or sword? As it is written, For your sake we are all being killed all day long. We are regarded as sheep to be slaughtered.

No, in all things we are more than conquerors, through Him who loved us. For I am sure that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor rulers, nor things present, not things to come, nor powers, nor heights, nor depths, nor anything else in all creation will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Now that passage makes it seem really, really clear that there is nothing that once we experience the love of Christ that will be able to separate us. Nothing that's in creation. And so some think that there is a conflict here.

Well, let's start with a rule of interpretation. Whenever you come to a passage of scripture that seems difficult to understand, one of the key principles of interpretation is to always approach the clearer passages of scripture to explain the more challenging ones.

In this case, the book of Romans is an instructional letter. It is designed to be something that is doctrinal and easy to understand and therefore we would lean on that passage more than the passage in Hebrews.

Why? Well, if we look at Hebrews 5 .11, which is within the context here, it says about this we have much to say and it is hard to explain since you have become dull of hearing. So even within the immediate context of the passage we're looking at, he is saying that this is a passage that is hard to understand and therefore we should look at the Romans 8 passage to explain Hebrews 6.

Now if Romans 8 is clearly teaching that we cannot be separated in any way from the love of God, then the Hebrews 6 passage cannot be saying that we can be separated. From the love of God. When we look at this, we have to be aware that the book of Romans is a instructional in nature.

That's the style of literature that it is and it is designed for ease of understanding where Romans is this general letter to Roman believers who are not necessarily Jewish in descent. Hebrews is different.

Hebrews is written specifically to people that are Jewish in descent. In other words, you have to have some familiarity with Judaism and specifically the book of Leviticus to really understand the book of Hebrews well.

Who Hebrews 6 Is Talking About

And so what we want to address is the fact that the key to understanding Hebrews 6, 4 to 6 is to identify who's being discussed here. Now, the text here gives us five descriptions of these people. First, they are people who, one, once been enlightened.

So the first thing we see is they were once had been enlightened. Second, they tasted the heavenly gift. Third, they shared in the Holy Spirit. Fourth, they tasted the goodness of the word of God. And fifth, they tasted the power of the age to come.

Now, if these two passages were talking about the same groups of people, then we do have a contradiction. If not, we need to determine who the two groups are. So let's take a look at these words that we see in Hebrews and break them down.

First, the word enlightened. It means to make known in reference to the inner life or transcendent matters and thus to give light or shed light upon. That's its meaning. It has the imagery of a heavenly light granted to an enlightened one as through prayer.

While this has the idea of someone that has an association with God, it does not, however, mandate a relationship with God. It could be someone that just has some association. The other word that we see a couple of times here, it's mentioned three, is tasted.

And tasted means, quote, to taste, to eat or to experience something cognitively or emotionally, unquote. It does not imply possession. This would be an accurate way to describe the Jewish people who had the truth all along because they had God's word, but they rejected the truth, which is consistent with the author's audience.

The author's audience for this book is Jewish people. This would refer to people that have had some experience with God without requiring a complete relationship with God. In other words, they don't possess a relationship with God, but they are knowledgeable.

Three Possible Interpretations of Hebrews 6

And so we end up seeing that in this passage, there are three possible people that this could refer to. One, it could refer to genuine believers that fell away from grace due to some sin. And because of that, they lost their salvation.

And that is the the way that the person who challenged us takes it. Second, it could refer to Jewish people who had truth. As God's chosen people, they had the scriptures, they studied the scriptures, they memorized the scriptures.

In fact, an Orthodox Jew today and many of the Jewish people back then before the time of Bar Mitzvah, which would be 13 years of age, a Jewish boy would have had to memorize the first five books of Moses in Hebrew word for word.

That would mean that they have tasted, they have been enlightened to the scriptures. But that doesn't mean that they possess Christ, that they possess salvation. Regeneration. So it could mean the Jewish people, the third group that this could be.

So the first group we said was genuine believers that somehow lost their salvation to his Jewish people that tasted of the truth, but were not were not regenerate. The third group is people who are part of a local congregation of believers, but had never been saved and had never enjoyed the benefits and seen the working of God and his people because they rejected salvation.

In other words, they partook, they were able to see some of the experience that genuine believers would have. They got to be part of that being in the local congregation, but they were actually never part of the universal or invisible church.

They weren't they were part of the local body only. So if this passage is discussing true believers that somehow fell away, one thing is clear. According to this passage, they could never be saved again versus four versus four to six declares that it is impossible for these people to be regenerated a second time.

In other words, if they can lose their salvation, they can never get it back. While there is no reference to what caused the falling away, the text seems to imply that they were leaving the church, leaving the local assembly.

But what's absolutely clear is that if they left, they never can gain this back again. This is very different to the way many people who believe that you can lose your salvation hold to because they would say that there's some sin you do.

You can lose your salvation and then gain it back again. This text would say if they're going to use this as a proof text, this text would say you can never gain it back again. Also, if we look at the passage, it is discussing a loss of salvation.

Actually, the very next passage, Hebrews 6, 9 to 20, gives us more sense from context, which is a second principle of interpretation. Always read within the context. As we looked at Hebrews 5, 11, we can look at Hebrews 9, 6, 9 to 20, the passage right after it, and we see that the writer explains the certainty of God's promises in order to secure the reality that God will not break his promises.

And that we are not stronger than God to break his promises. And that would argue against people that say that God won't take salvation, we can't lose salvation by other means, but we could lose it ourselves.

God will not do that. However, because we're not stronger than God is what the text is saying. However, when he promises that nothing can separate us from the love of God, what certainty is there if you can actually lose your salvation?

That sounds like you're being separated from the love of God. In fact, if God is the source of our salvation, how could we lose it? This becomes really important because people will say that we can lose our own salvation, that somehow God won't take it away, but we will lose it if we continue to sin.

Well, Romans 5, sorry, Romans 8, I'm sorry, let me get that again. Romans 11, 29, Paul gives a passage that makes it really clear. Speaking of salvation, I'll start in verse 28. As regards the gospel, they are enemies for your sake.

But as regards election, they are beloved for the sake of their forefathers, for the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. Now, if something's irrevocable, can it be taken away? The answer is no, it cannot.

In fact, in Philippians chapter 1, verse 6, Paul says, He that began a good work in you will bring it to completion in days of Jesus Christ. So God is the author and the finisher. If God is the author and the finisher, and he says this gift is irrevocable, what could possibly cause us to lose our salvation?

The answer should be clear, nothing. As mentioned previously, however, Romans is a passage that is the clearer text. So if we look at Romans 8, 35 to 39, Philippians 1, 6, or Romans 11, 29, all of these clearly teach that we cannot lose our salvation.

Therefore, we should take that and now read in that explanation, that doctrinal statement into Hebrews 6. As we examine Hebrews 6, knowing from the clearer passages that we cannot lose that salvation, what does that do with this passage?

Well, it eliminates one of the three groups that we would have when we are looking at it. It eliminates the first group, people who were genuinely saved and lost their salvation. Then who does Hebrews 6, 4 to 6 refer to?

Well, evidently, these people have had some relationship to salvation without possessing it completely. It cannot refer to people that gain salvation or regeneration by God and then lose it. It would make better sense to understand that this is a reference either to Jewish people who had the truth as God's chosen people, who had the Word of God, or to people who are part of a local church, a local congregation, but were never saved in the first place.

The latter is preferred since the context of Hebrews 11 to 6, 3 relates to the local church. However, referring to Jewish people that may have been within the congregation, but not truly regenerate, could be a plausible argument.

The only person or group that this could not refer to is genuine believers who lose their salvation. Jesus spoke very often about hypocrisy in the parables. It would be consistent for the writer of Hebrews to address the same issue of hypocrisy.

Jesus warned that there would be hypocrites within the church. We should not be surprised that there would be unbelievers within a local congregation that would eventually walk away from the faith. We see this clearly taught even in the book of 1 John.

1 John 2, we end up seeing that John makes it clear when people had walked away and left the church. He says in 1 John 2 .19, They went out from us, but they were not of us. For if they had been of us, they would have continued with us.

But they went out that it might be plain that they were not of us. That's a passage that again, 1 John is instructional in nature and clearly teaching doctrine. The clear passage should interpret the harder to understand or more challenging passage.

That passage in 1 John teaches that we cannot lose our salvation. If someone walks away from the faith, it exposes that they were never regenerate in the first place. Because it says here, if they were regenerate, they would have remained with us.

Summary of Hebrews 6 and the Nature of Saving Faith

So in summary, Hebrews 6 .4 -6 refers to those that attend a local congregation, whether Jewish believers or not, without being believers themselves. And after some time, they stopped playing the hypocrite and left.

They left the local assembly, denying the faith that they once claimed to. Whether it be a general principle or an absolute truth that deny that they've walked away that they will never be able to be regenerate again, we don't know.

There are probably people who walk away and they were part of the church and leave the church, but then return and get saved. We know that that happens. But what I think is that this passage is referring to people who walk away denying their faith.

Maybe a Sam Harris type who understands the truth, but rejected it. And in that rejection has made it a life's purpose to deny the truth. That's someone who tasted of it and will never be able to experience it again.

Now when it comes to this issue, the question of can you lose your salvation? One of the things I think that is essential for us to understand is who saved us. We did not save ourselves. We cannot save ourselves.

It is God who saved us. We have to rely on God for this. We cannot appeal to ourselves in any way. In fact, even the belief that we have, the faith that we have came from God. In Philippians 1 .29 it says, For it has been granted to you that for the sake of Christ you should not only believe in him but also suffer for his sake.

So not only he's talking here in Philippians 1 about people who are suffering for the sake of Christ. And he's saying, not only has it been granted to you to believe, but also to suffer. He's telling the Philippians, Paul's telling the Philippians, that just like your belief that you had in Christ was granted to you, given to you by Christ, so is the suffering in your life.

Now, the suffering comes from Christ and has purpose in the lives of the Philippians. Well, if that's the case, he's saying, he's making the realization that just like that suffering, that suffering has been granted to you.

And therefore you shouldn't fight against it. Sorry for the faith healers who believe that we should never suffer. Paul doesn't agree with you. For all the word of faithers, for all the people that are in the prosperity gospel, that teach that God wants you to be healthy and wealthy.

The reality is Paul says the opposite. He was telling the Philippian believers here that this suffering was granted by Christ. And just as this suffering was granted by Christ, so was their belief. We can't even take credit and claim for the belief that was within us when we were regenerated, because that was granted to us by God.

And if God gave us that salvation, who are we or what is anything that could separate us from us? In order for someone to take salvation away from us, they would have to be stronger than God himself, because God granted it and therefore it's God who bestows it upon us.

And if God gave us salvation, then we can't even lose it ourselves, because even we would have to be stronger than God. That's what Hebrews 6 goes on to say. So we are not stronger than God, we cannot lose it ourselves.

Romans 8 makes it clear there is nothing, nothing that could take it. Now here's the reality when we do theology. Let me encourage you to always go back to the attributes of God. All of our theology must be rooted in the attributes and nature of God.

When it comes to the issue of can we lose our salvation, there are two attributes that come into play. One, is that God is eternal, and two, that God is omniscient. Why those two? Well, the fact that God is eternal means he is outside of time.

He knows all the things that are going to happen within time. The fact that God is omniscient is that he knows everything. God knows the future sins that you and I will commit. And therefore, when he died on the cross as a payment for our sin, he knew which sins we would commit.

In fact, when did the payment of sin occur? When we believed? No. At the cross. At the cross is when the payment was made. Therefore, that payment at the cross was before you and I committed our first sin because it was before we were born.

Christ made a payment of sin for all of our sins, past, present, and future. He knows everything, so when he regenerated us, he knew every sin we would commit because that payment was in the past and it pays for all of our sin.

How could we, after we get saved, after we're regenerated in time, how could we somehow in the future sin in such a way that God didn't know about it? Was he surprised when we sinned and went, oh, I didn't recognize that.

I didn't know you would do something that bad. You have to lose your salvation now. No. God, when he died on that cross, made a payment for all sin that we committed, past, what's in our past today, present, something you may be doing right now, or even the sins that are in our future because at the cross, all of our sins were future.

And so the reality is there's no future sin that we could commit that would surprise God or somehow have him thinking that he didn't know they would happen. He is the author and the finisher of our faith.

As we saw in Philippians, he is the one that saves us. He is the one that brings us to salvation. Therefore, if he says we'll never lose it, then there's no way we could ever lose our salvation. So Hebrews 6 cannot be speaking of a loss of salvation.

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All right, so we're, John, I'm sorry, Vincent. Yeah. John's not here tonight. So Vincent, what are your thoughts? I mean, you have dealt with the issue of people that say you can lose your salvation. Have you had people use this passage before?

And how do you argue it?

Yeah. So a couple points I'd like to bring up to go on your Philippians one, too. I'll also go to Romans 12 3 about the, for by grace given me I say to every one of you, do not think of yourselves more highly than you are, but rather think of yourself with sober judgment in accordance with the faith God has distributed to each of you.

So who's doing the distributing of the faith there? I like to ask people it's a lot, a lot of what we're discussing here is people. It's pretty clear that it's the big difference is a man centered view and synergism versus a God centered view and monergism for sure.

A lot of what we're discussing here today.

Okay. So let's define those terms. Sure. So monergism, mono meaning one is the idea that that one person was involved in our regeneration and that one person being gone. Well, actually one being, I should say because he's three persons in one being.

Yes. Synergism is the idea that we work with God to be saved. In other words, like Christ died on the cross and he did 99%, but you have to do the last 1%. You have to work with God. To, to earn that last way or to do that final step, that synergism, that somehow we work with God in our regeneration.

So, you know, the, you know, the biggest issue with all that is it makes what Christ did. It only makes man savable. It says that Christ didn't actually save anyone. And that's what really bugs me about that.

That view, if you have to, the man has to, you know, with his own free will, activate it, accept it. That means that Christ only made man savable. And as he's waiting on the, you know, the person to, to make the decision, it just, to me, that is a big affront to what Christ did on the cross for his people.

You know?

In fact, I would say when we, we look at Ephesians 2, 8, 9, people that would argue that way are going to argue that, that somehow they have some works to, to, to add something that they could boast about.

And Paul makes it very clear in, in Ephesians 2, 8, 9, that's not the case. Because here he says, he says, for, for by grace, you have been saved through faith and that not of your own doing. It is a gift of God, not a result of works so that no one can boast.

In other words, salvation is somewhere God gets all the credit. And if God did most of the work, but we do that final step, here's the reality. If God did all that he can, and it, the final step rests on us, whether that final step is our belief, us doing something to believe that we believe, and then God regenerates us, or if it's works, the thing that makes us ultimately righteous in God's sight, whatever that is, becomes the ultimate salvation.

So if God did all that he can and made us save a bull, but we then had to save ourselves, then we have just made the ultimate thing of salvation ourselves.

And so I, I guess, and I usually go to for, that you cannot lose your salvation. I usually go to John six, you know, I know that's, that's used a lot, but it's, it's pretty powerful that, you know, Jesus has given a, a, a flock and God will draw them and Jesus will lose none of them.

So if you're saying that you could be part of his flock and then you can wander and, or take yourself out of that flock, that just destroys a lot of what John six says.

I find that problematic too. Unless you think you're stronger than Christ. Yeah. It's, it's like these sheep are, are,.

Can go against the will of the shepherd. You know, they're, they, they control the shepherd. It's just a weird point of view to me.

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Mormonism and Losing Salvation

All right, Vincent, we are going to play a game.

All right. So Vincent named that. What?

I didn't quite get that. What was the name? I have to name that cult cult. So you have to name the cult ready. This cult believes that you can lose your salvation. And now you name it. Soon as you figure out which cult it is, you can lose your salvation after having been regenerate.

They believe in three levels of heaven, that hell would be lightly populated. Mormonism.

That is correct. Mormonism. I know they have multiple tiers of heaven for sure.

That is correct. And I will be out pretty soon in for folks who may be in the area. I will be speaking at Manti Utah at the Manti. Well, actually I won't be speaking at the Manti Miracle Pageant, but the outreach to the Manti Miracle Pageant.

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And it's actually a two week pageant and you could go to Mormon research ministry. They are at mrm .org to get details. They will be, they're the ones that really head this up each year. There's also some folks down in that area of Manti.

There's a church that actually brings people in. I think we, they end up hosting the speakers. And so it is a really neat event. Very different type of event. I know this year I'll be, I'm going to be encouraged to see my buddy, Eddie Roman from living waters.

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So he saved up for it. Maybe it's too late to save. So save for next year then. But it is a yearly event around this time in June, mid June. So you could go to mrm .org, get details there. So have you had much experience, Vincent witnessing to Mormons?

I,.

We do not really have a big Mormon population here. We do have more Jehovah's witnesses. And so my, one of my best friends growing up was a Jehovah's witness. And I didn't really, you know, at the time know much about it.

I just knew that they didn't celebrate Christmas and all that. But yeah, I mean, we, we have more Jehovah's witnesses here than we do Mormons. That's interesting. Cause you're, you're,.

You're down in, in an area where the, the Mormons, as they traveled out to Utah, made their way through, through the South down there as they kicked out, as Joseph Smith was kind of kicked out of every town he was in.

It's too, it's too hot down here to draw, you know, pedal your bikes around. Yeah, maybe, maybe. Well, let's let, let's mention, give a quick promo for a conference coming up and a friend of ours, who's actually going to be doing a debate at it.

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