The Here I Stand Theology Podcast- Interview with Kris Williams (KDUB)

Here I stand.

Will you recant or will you not?

Since your majesty and your lordships desire a simple reply. Unless, and by plain reason, popes and councils who have so often contradicted themselves.

I ain't got a stain and the vice clean me up.

Vice clean me up.

I ain't got a stain and I'm feeling brand new. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Listen, I ain't got a stain on me. Cause it's all by his grace, homie. Gave his righteousness and I'm spotless. Didn't earn it, but I still got it.

Not by my works. Now I'm in his church. Ain't nothing I could earn. Did it by his own. Yeah, you know I didn't deserve. I'm singing now.

Vice clean me up. Vice clean me up.

I ain't got a stain and I'm feeling brand new. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Vice clean me up. Vice clean me up.

I ain't got a stain and I'm feeling brand new. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was headed to hell, I was a mess, my goodness is unworthiness, but now I'm feeling brand.

New.

I ain't worried about a thing, he's worried now I say, yeah. Got a new mind, got a new heart, glory to God, new art, worthy of all praises, by tongue, tribes, and nations. He dressed us in this white robe, his righteousness we now clothed, glory to God in Christ alone, glory to God in Christ alone, y 'all.

The Gospel in 1 Corinthians 6 and the New Song

All right, so if you look in your Bible, you turn to 1 Corinthians 6, you'll find in the ninth verse that the word of God states this, do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God?

Do not be deceived, neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

And such were some of you, but you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. So what you just heard there playing was K-Dub's new release, Chris Williams is with us tonight, we are super excited about having him on, we'll bring him on here in just a second.

So excited, I forgot to give our spiel here. We are the Here I Stand Theology Podcast. At the Here I Stand Theology Podcast, we are a podcast devoted to a pointed and a sometimes spirited debate of biblical doctrine.

As well, the Here I Stand Theology Podcast is a ministry of Reformata Baptist Church, meaning that we are under accountability to the body of Christ there at Reformata for everything that we say and everything that we do.

So that being said, let's go ahead and bring Chris in here. But we want to make him feel at home. He's there in his studio, and I'm sure every time he gets on, he hears this. But we want we want him to feel at home.

So here you go, Chris.

All things theology, all things theology, we chop it up properly without an apology. Gotta get that schology to God hollow because this is how we do it at All Things Theology.

I love it.

All right.

I love it.

All right.

I appreciate that, man.

You're welcome. Seriously, we want to make you feel at home, man. All that we can. So glad that you're with us. So how are you doing?

Doing good, man. Blessed to be on, encouraged by you and everything you're doing, man. It's good to link up with you.

Very nice. Very nice. So tell us a little bit about who is Chris Williams? Who is KDub?

Yeah, man. Nobody special, man. Just someone the Lord saved. I'm an artist. I do music, love to make music. Married. Very proud of that. Been married to my lovely wife, Tanya, for almost seven years, coming up in April.

Just a normal churchgoing guy, man. I reside here in the Dallas area. Accountable as well to the locals. Church. And so, man, just nothing, nothing. I'm a laid back guy. Nothing too crazy about me.

Oh, that's very nice. Very nice. Do you have any children?

No children. Lord willing, me and my wife do desire to adopt. And so hopefully in the next.

Year or something, we can get that worked out. Praise the Lord. That's a big process nowadays, isn't it? It is. It is. Man, man. All right. So tell me, I started to ask you this before we came on, but I said I was going to wait to ask you this.

So tell me a little bit about who some of your favorite theologians might be. Some of my favorite theologians. Well,.

Dead or alive. Yeah, yeah. So my favorite theologian, I'm biased, is my local pastor, Emilio Ramos. And I don't say that to be cliche. I genuinely feel that way. That is awesome. I think that should be everybody's, your local pastor should be your favorite pastor.

Praise the Lord. And so, but I genuinely feel that way. Just to hear him preach, just to be around the brother and learn from him has been encouragement to my soul. Other men who have been deeply enriched and learned much from their ministry.

John MacArthur is probably one of my favorite expositors. Just 50 years of ministry. He's been holding it down, laying it down for a long time.

Yes, sir.

Voting Volcom. Maybe someone dead. Spurgeon, right? We love Spurgeon. Man, there's so many men. I'm sure I'm thinking of, not thinking of some. After I'll be like, man, I should have named that guy. So many great men of God that have encouraged me.

That's one of the easier questions right here. Okay. So at the Here I Stand Theology Podcast, and you let it slip. You've not been able to watch our episodes or anything yet. And what you don't realize is that when we have a first time guest on, we ask kind of a question and that wasn't the big question.

This question will really set the tone for our conversation tonight.

All right.

So are you ready for it?

Let's get it.

All right. So you just said that your favorite theologian is Emilio Ramos, right?

That's right.

Your pastor.

That's right.

So here's the big question. If you and Emilio Ramos had to arm wrestle, who would win?

Hands down would win. I hands down would win. Yes.

Oh, man, that's a great answer. Everybody else. Doug Wilson skirted around that question. Phil Johnson skirted around that question. I'm glad that you said that. That was a manly answer.

I'm just being honest. I stay in shape. I work out pretty regularly. So I think I would win.

That is a fantastic answer.

Absolutely.

So we listen there to your new release. Tell us a little bit about writing that song. I'm assuming, do you produce, write and do the whole shebang?

Yeah. So I don't make beats, but I do do everything else as far as writing, recording, all that comes with that. And so, yeah, that was Clean. I wrote that song a few months ago and just released pretty like in the last month.

And so, yeah, I just wrote it to really encourage the body. I was just kind of thinking about God's imputed righteousness, right? My faith. And it was really just encouraged to write something to encourage us all of those simple truths, right?

That Christ has taken on every sin of ours. And so that was really where the song came out of. And I hope it's been an encouragement to everyone who's heard it.

It has. It has been to me. I'll tell you this, just to be honest, about an hour and a half ago, I was just listening through it again. And here's the thing, and we may get in this later or not, but I am thoroughly a reformed man.

I'm assuming you are too.

Absolutely.

We're almost being your pastor and everything like that too. He's read Grace Media, right?

That's right.

Yep. But I think that there is a challenge that we have as reformed folk, particularly like in our realm where we are like doing discernment videos, listening to what folks are saying in the name of God and comparing it to the Word of God and testing the spirits as the Scripture tells us to.

I think that at times there may be a bit where us reformed folk go too far in the cold dead orthodoxy, and we don't want to feel the Spirit, right? There's a balance there. And I said all that to say this as I was listening to your song.

It's like the Holy Spirit just reminded me of that Scripture that I read there. Such were some of you, right? Such were some of you, but you were washed clean. You were sanctified. You were justified in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

It just made me rejoice. When I say rejoice, I mean I cry. I know we're men. Folks say men ain't supposed to cry, but I think they're wrong.

Yeah, it's totally okay to be happy, cry, to rejoice over God's truth and God's Word. I'm all.

For it. Amen. But I just want to encourage you in the faith on that front. Keep making good music. By the way, I will put a link in the video when it posts up to Apple iTunes, right? Yeah, that's fine.

I appreciate it. Thank you. And I'm going to put a link to Wakanda. If folks didn't see.

Your video Wakanda, that was good. Yeah, yeah. I make music every now and then. So hopefully when I drop something, it's encouragement. And like I said, I do have stuff. I've already got recorded, ready to release.

I just want to put it to a video or something. So just be on the.

Lookout for that as well. Awesome. Awesome. Well, we are looking forward to that. But let's do this. So we are here tonight. The substance and the meat of the podcast is theology. You are all things theology, right?

That's the name of your podcast. By the way, I've got your logo down there. You'd be to your left to my right there. So folks can see that. But so we want to talk about theology. Of course, theology is the study of the knowledge of God, right?

Where do we learn who God is and what God's character is? The scriptures, the Bible, right? That's right. And so obviously, if folks have been tracking with your stuff, your podcast, which is wonderful, by the way, it seems like that as Martin Luther had Erasmus as his nemesis, you're focused.

You and Marcus Rogers are going back and forth.

Yeah, just a little bit. Maybe I've been a rock in his shoe. And my concern is because I used to come out of the Word of Faith theology. My family is kind of caught up in that. And so I have no issue with him as a person.

But just the things that's being taught, it's a concern and a care for the people in his church and the people he influences. He has a false gospel. And because I care, I address it. A lot of people think, well, just leave him alone.

Just leave the bad theology alone. And it's like, well, no, we've been called to declare truth and correct error. If you are a Christian, you want to be biblical. You got to do both. That's right. You don't get an option to do one or the other.

You do both. We obey God. That's exactly right. That's exactly right. So we are going to, it'll be, I guess, kind of a reaction time. We're going to watch some clips. We're going to first watch some clips from G3.

We're going to watch a little bit of Bode Bauckham, a little bit of Josh Bice, a little bit of Paul Washer, because that's the good, as we mentioned earlier. And we want our audience to realize the good is what we want to focus on.

The counterfeit and the false is what you want to be able to identify. But the heart of our study as Christians needs to be on the theology of the scriptures so that we are able to identify truth from error.

So Chris, are you ready? Let's get, let's get it. All right, here we go.

True worship happens when we set our mind's attention and heart's affection on the Lord, praising him for who he is and for what he's done. Christ died for sin once for all, but just for the unjust in order that he might bring us back to God.

I love the way Isaiah puts it. All of us had gone astray. Each of us had turned to his own way, but God has laid upon him.

The iniquity of us all. I read an article by John. So let's stop that. Let's stop there for just a.

Moment. And if you, if something strikes a chord with you, just say, whoa, whoa, whoa, stop, wave, do something. Let me know. Yeah. So I mean, Bode Bauckham always just gives a super clear and pointed explanation of the gospel.

Yes. And that is an example for godly men who aspire to be pastors, who aspire to be evangelists, who aspire to proclaim the gospel to other people, particularly in the local church setting. All right, you want to go move ahead and let's hear.

What Josh Bias has to say. Let's do it. All right. MacArthur some years ago, where he was describing the problem of the user-friendly phenomenon within modern evangelicalism. And he provided some popular testimonies from these user-friendly churches where members were giving testimonies of their church.

It was a means of marketing their church to the community. So let's pause.

There for a minute. So what do you know of this kind of thing taking place? Obviously, you see it there. You're in Dallas, right? Right. We all have it around us. So and I know you said you had family in the Word of Faith movement.

I myself, I think it's worse than Word of Faith around here. I don't know. It is. I'm not being mean or trying to be funny on this, but it's, I mean, it's way left charismatic, but they come to the mainstream churches.

The marketing has come into play throughout the years. What have you seen on that?

Yeah, a lot of it is an attraction to either, you know, the church or the leader, right? You have the one charismatic person they come for or movement. And that's what really is they're getting converted to.

Oftentimes, Christ is barely mentioned. Christ isn't explained. Even Bodhi said something in that first clip where he's talking about true worship is of the mind and the heart for who God is and what he's done, right?

And most people, you know, in the modern evangelical church don't know who Christ is. Couldn't explain to you, okay, is he God or, you know, what he's done? And that is a huge problem in most churches because most of it is what, you know, many people have called like theological TED Talks.

It's, you know, the pastor, he just goes up, not even theological TED Talks, just TED Talks. You know, they're just going up there talking about life's problems and everything will be okay, you know, have faith in faith.

And it's just a very generic deistic God was what many people are getting converted to. And, you know, that's nothing we should be pleased with. We want them to know their faith, be rooted, as Colossians says, to be rooted and grounded in him.

And so, yeah, it definitely is a problem. And, you know, it's definitely why podcasts like yours exist to explain to people, as Paul says, the depths and the riches and knowledge of him, right? That's why we exist, to know him and to explain him, right?

And so,.

Yeah, it definitely is an issue. Amen. So what we are saying here, and if you agree, you can agree. If not, just say, count me out on this. What we are saying here is Christ did not come to teach you how to be a better boss, to even teach you how to be a better husband, to be a better person in the world.

Christ came because we needed the forgiveness of our sins. Without a doubt, that needs to be the message. Yeah, that's first and foremost. Who.

Cares if you got your 401k in line and your finances are all great, if you don't know the first thing, right? That's right. Now, once you get the first thing in order, then we can talk about the second.

We can talk about you being a better husband or being a better coworker,.

But first things first, right? Amen. What will it profit a man if he gained the whole world and yet loses his own soul? All right, here we go. Here we go. One member described their church.

By stating the following, the sermons are relevant, upbeat, and best of all, short.

All right, short sermons. This is one of the things that church shoppers are looking for, without a doubt. So how about Mr. Ramos, short sermons or long sermons? More on the longer.

Amen. They're reasonable, but you get a lot packed in. It's not just long sermons for the sake of long sermons, right? Because that's not the point. The point is, are you expositorily preaching God's word?

Are you preaching through a book of the Bible? Are you preaching what thus said the Lord? Are you just making up things as you go along? But to Vice's point, a lot of people look to churches for everything other than what a biblical church is to be.

How's your kids' ministry? Well, how's the choir? How's the singles ministry? It's like all those things are kind of what some churches prompt up, but rather than, do you guys preach the gospel? Do you guys practice church discipline?

Why aren't those things the first and the foremost?

Amen. I think one of the benefits of being part of a biblically sound church is that even what is preached and taught, that the men of God are held accountable. For example, if Mr. Ramos had said something that just struck you sideways, you would have the freedom to go to him and to say, this sounded like you were saying this, and it seems like scripture doesn't say that.

Can we communicate and talk about that? I think that's an important aspect of being part of a biblically sound church where the men of God that stand and take care of the shepherd or take care of the sheepfold are not offended when folks ask them questions.

I absolutely love it when folks come to us and ask us questions. By the way, let me share this with you. It'll take me just a moment to find it. What I wanted to share with you was a post by one of our church members.

These folks moved down from Connecticut last year. They'll be here a year next week, I think it is. They teach their children. They've got a six-year-old girl and a one-year-old boy. Of course, John Calvin is his name.

They named him John Calvin. But the little girl, you can tell so much that they have worked with her. Her mom posted something a while back on Facebook about doing something wrong. She said, we all make mistakes.

Everybody's somewhat good. Sarah, the little girl, basically just spewed out a catechism to her, told her, no, mom, we're all sinners, and we're all separated by God from our sins, and just laid it out to her.

That's kind of sound truth that the church needs to be continually giving out to its people. When the word is questioned, come and talk about it rather than get mad and leave, because that's what happens in a lot of places.

Folks just get mad. They'll take their little red wagon, then they'll go down the road to the next church house. Exactly. The same problems continue to creep in and pop up.

You won't hear a lot of preaching about sin and damnation and hell fire. Preaching here doesn't sound like preaching. It is sophisticated, urbane, and friendly talk. It breaks all of the stereotypes. Now, if that was true back in 2008, you can only imagine what people are saying about preaching today.

Preaching hasn't become better. It's actually gotten worse in many ways.

That was a huge statement right there.

Yeah. Yeah. Paul Walsh has said something to the extent, a church where sin isn't explained, isn't talked about, preached against, is a church where the Spirit of God is not in, because the Spirit of God convicts us of sin.

He's sanctifying us. If we can't even talk or mention about sin, how is the Spirit even working in this body, in this church? How is the Spirit convicting anyone of the unrighteousness in the flesh we still are in?

You run from a church if that's what they try to win you with. We don't talk about sin here. We're not like most churches. We're relevant. We're progressive. You hear those words? Yeah. Probably not a biblical church.

That's right. That's exactly right.

Could ever be asked of you in the history of humanity is this very question, but who do you say that I am? And so I place the same question before you by way of application. Who do you say that Jesus is?

Who do you believe that this Jesus actually is? It's the most important question that you could ever be asked. Your eternal destiny is hinged upon this. You will either bow to Jesus Christ or you will be sent off into an eternity of the wrath of God, but you will bow before him either now or at the judgment.

Who do you say that Jesus is?

So I think right there is the weight of the gospel message must come to bear on people. I think the light and the fluffy, the airy gospel is what is proclaimed and sought out by many in the world in which we live today.

The God of the Bible, as we hear proclaimed regularly from the folks we listen to, right? I mean, the God of the scriptures is both simultaneously a God of love and a God of wrath. He is holy. He is just.

He is good. He is righteous in all his doings. He is sovereign. What do you think about that? So the term sovereign can be taken so widely, but again, that is another word that is huge. I mean, it is phenomenal how big that word is.

So when in your life did you come, have you always been reformed or is it just in recent years that you have come to reform theology? I have not always been reformed. I.

Have not always even been reformed in my Christian walk. I have been a Christian for about 12 years and I think year nine is when I got introduced to reform theology and it was just Christ exalting, God exalting, man humbling, right, in my walk.

And so, yeah, understanding God's sovereignty was huge when I came to understand. And to me, it lifted a lot of a weight from my shoulders just practically evangelism. I would always feel like, oh man, I did not have the right thing.

If only if I had said this, then I would have got them converted or if I had said this better or done this right. And the sovereignty of God just helped me live freely as a Christian. And hey, I might fall short, but it is God who is in control, right?

Just leave it in his sovereignty, not as an excuse to be lazy, but as an excuse to live freely as a Christian.

Yes, yes. So hyper-Calvinism is a large danger. I am not ashamed. I am not ashamed to say I am reformed, that I am a Calvinist. I am a happy Calvinist. I am a happy Calvinist. But that idea of God is sovereign, that we do not need to do anything, is in itself an ignorance of the Scriptures, right?

Because we are taught to evangelize. I like how the old, I think it was one of the Puritans put it, that we ought to preach the gospel promiscuously. I love that terminology, to all men and women everywhere, whoever they are.

So would you care for just a couple of minutes to maybe testify to your coming to Reformed theology, coming to grips, maybe just a personal account of that? Absolutely. So I am an artist, so I was.

Listening to a lot of Christian rappers like Shy Lynn, some of your listeners may know, who were explaining. Funny enough, the first point I ever heard was on Elle, which is usually the hardest point for many to come to grips with, was limited atonement.

And I am over here, for like the hundredth time I am playing the song, I finally understand what Shy Lynn is saying, and I am like, wait, he is saying Jesus did not die for everybody, and that went totally against everything I was taught.

So I am talking with friends. Next thing you know, I do not know how this happened, but I get the sovereignty of God by A .W. Pink in my hands, and I just start reading that through. And I am like, I know nobody who holds to Reformed theology.

Remember, I just think it is just Shy Lynn and me, or Shy Lynn, and now me. I did not know anything. And I am coming to the grips like, wow, I believe this. And the more and more I talk, I hear, I study this and that, and I am seeing, oh, wait, there is a whole movement.

So people always say, well, you came to Calvin. No, I was literally wrestling with this by myself in light of what the Scriptures are saying. And I am like, I just saw election everywhere after that point.

So that was my testimony of Reformed theology and kind of my introduction. That is exact. Once you see it,.

You cannot unsee it. You cannot un-ring a bell. You cannot un-spill the milk.

That is right. You see predestination everywhere. And I am just like, wow,.

How did I not see this before? All right. Let us move right along here.

The philosophy of Plato, the views of Cicero, the naturalistic views of a godless culture, the atheistic views of men like Dawkins and Hitchens and others, the progressive views of American politics, the critical social justice ideologies of our present hour, secular humanism notwithstanding, will all come crumbling down before the throne of this very Christ who is clothed in majesty and power and sovereign authority.

He is the Christ of God.

The Power of God's Sovereignty and Reformed Theology

So before we get to Paul Washers here, and then after Paul Washers' clip, we will be moving into the bad and the ugly of theology. So in the song Wokanda that you did, there are some good lyrics in that.

Talk a little bit about that, writing that song.

Yeah. So that song kind of bore out of years of conversations with people who kind of were embracing social justice ideologies and frustrations I was having. Yeah, it was just the milieu of the day, right, listening to pastors that were once proclaiming the gospel, unity and all.

And next thing you know, I wake up and they are preaching a secular ideology in their church now. And so it really came out of a frustration of men of God I have respected, friends I've lost. And so it was an emotional song, though it may not sound like that.

It may sound just more critiquing and movement. It's emotional for me when I listened to it. When I did the video, I was just weeping just because I was just reflecting on, one, the gospel that it contradicts with.

And like I said, friends and families I've lost. So that really what bore out.

That song. So yeah. Amen. Devotee Baucom, just a few years ago, preached at the Founders Conference on the biblical answer for racial reconciliation there and the difference. Have you heard that?

Yeah. If I recall correctly, that's the one that I put at the end of the Wakanda clip of Voti. I think that's the one because I think it was at the Founders. And that was an excellent sermon. Is that the one where he's like just weeping?

Yes. Yes. Yes. That's it. Yeah. Yeah.

That was so good. I mean, he broke it down. I don't think that there's ever been the clarification that I've ever heard, the clarification that he gave the difference, Jew and Gentile, right?

So on and so forth. Man, it was beautiful. So good. So good. Gospel is not just a doctrine.

Added on to other doctors. It's not just one among many. It is the greatest manifestation of the attributes, the person of God that has ever been given or will ever be given. If you right now were standing in the place of Isaiah and Isaiah six, if you were very beholding the very face of God upon the throne, you could not understand him well unless you also understand the gospel, because it is there he has revealed the greatest of all questions.

One of my favorite books that has ever been written. It's rather lengthy, but it's worth it. It is 17th century William Bates, the harmony of the attributes of God in the contrivance and accomplishment of our redemption, because it is in the gospel of Jesus Christ that the divine dilemma is solved, that the problem of every theologian, philosopher and thinker is finally answered.

How can God be a just God and show mercy to wicked men? You see, Earth's problem is how can God judge? Heaven's problem is altogether different. How can God save, pardon wicked men and still maintain his righteousness?

And the answer is in the gospel where God becomes a man and goes to a tree and bears the sin of his people. And with that sin, the curse and with that curse, all the holy hatred, all the righteous judgment of God is poured down upon the head of God's son and he absorbs it.

He satisfies justice so it no longer has a demand against God's people and God can be just and the justifier of wicked men.

Amen. Yes, well, most of the time. I didn't mean to go forward there. Really nothing needs to be added there, right? He pretty much laid it out right there.

So good. I mean, that's why it's important to understand the gospel, to understand how God's attributes are not in conflict with one another. I'm sure you hear this as much as I do today, where anytime you're preaching on sin and someone may come up and just say, well, God is love as if that's a contradiction with God's wrath or his holiness.

No, I mean, yes, God is love, but I always tell people love apart from truth is not loving. It's not loving to not tell someone the truth or things like that. And so I think that's excellent what Paul Walsh was saying.

These things are harmonious. They're not in conflict.

Hearing God's Voice, Scripture Alone, and the Problem of Charismatic Claims

Amen. Amen. And now the, what do we say? The good, the bad. That's right. So this is a clip from TBN, which tells you that it's bad right off the bat. Bad from Trinity Broadcast Network. And Priscilla Showers is one of the popular lady teachers in our day and in our time.

Of course, she's the daughter of Tony Evans. Man, I remember, by the way, how old are you, Chris? I'm 31. Okay. So see, you're just a young man. I'll be 49 this year. So back when I was in high school, I ignorantly skipped semester exams just to go to the Southern Baptist Convention Pastors Conference.

So I had to go back another semester the next year, but I was okay with that. But I remember hearing Tony Evans preach that year. Man, he is a phenomenal, phenomenal, fantastic speaker. And no doubt, I wouldn't say he's not a man of God, but once you really start to examine some of the things that he said, particularly in light maybe of God's sovereignty.

I remember the beginning of his, the introduction to his message. There was a cosmic chess game, move and counter move between God and Satan. I mean, it was riveting. It was enthralling. But God has never been in competition with Satan.

He's never been worried about making a move and a counter move. But in any case, all that just to kind of give a little bit of context. So Priscilla Showers, his daughter, this is her husband on the show with the new crouches there.

So we'll hear what she says about hearing God's voice.

Most of the time, God speaks to me through his word. It is exactly what I described. It is.

Reading through a portion. Did you catch what she said?

Yes. I had to raise my eyebrow there where she says, most of the time, I'm thinking all the time. I've never heard God outside of his word. I'm a little concerned when people always have a word of God and it's outside of scripture.

Exactly. It's where we hear God. Amen. It's a denial of soul of scripture. You know what I mean?

Amen. You're exactly right.

And on that day, it's like the Holy Spirit has taken out a highlighter and has highlighted this verse you have seen a million times before. But on that day, it leaps up off the page and it grips you. That's the only way I can really describe it, is that it grips you in the depths of your soul and causes you to pause for a moment because it seems to be literally speaking to something that's happening in your life.