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April 20, 2022
Dr. JOE MORECRAFT, pastor of Heritage Presbyterian Church of Cumming, GA, who will address: PART 3 of
“An ASSESSMENT of the CHURCH in the 20th & 21st CENTURIES”
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And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to iron sharpens iron radio. Dr. Joe more craft.
Always a joy Chris.
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Calm. Heritage Presbyterian church. Calm and Joe in our discussions our first two discussions on your assessment of The church in the 20th and 21st century. I don't think that we have quite reached the 21st century yet.
But if you could pick up where you left off in history of things that you want to highlight both The good the bad and the ugly. Yes, sir.
I'll take one if an early 21st century. Hasn't gotten any farther along like the sons of Issachar. You remember the sons of Issachar and the Bible they were bites at Israel. They've angelicals in America today learn those two things again.
Will march it to understand our times and to tell people what to do. They think it was was because of Franklin war over the nation and. Then it took a while God had to destroy it, but then in 586 father the building of Jerusalem.
He destroyed the United States. I mean by that the Puritans I Mean by that the good day they carried that book I've given away out the Bible's guidance. Augustine said we need the Word of God to understand any area are some areas of life.
We don't need the Word of God for we only need reason. That led to the Middle Ages and the betrayal of the church it created the Renaissance to the Enlightenment of the sea. He was great, but whatever he wrote on philosophy he was an atheist.
It's philosophy of atheistic. Because it was bad as he churches this guy. Middle 20th century. We have more and more church in 89 confession of faith expounding the scripture anything in our thinking as individual men and women.
Anything in what we're trying to get across that unintention women that have in the past. We don't. But we also realize that man man's frail thing and it's not a perfect thing. And so we pray Lord help us to learn from our past.
That's what's so important to know history of the men and women that have preceded us those that have preceded us. I'll take one of the best books if not the best book various friend of mine and a great time I heard him, but the name of his book is a theological Interpretation of a one thing in that book.
I disagree with is in the introduction. Where he would be more critical, but nevertheless I have to have said that. This is a book that I have read over and again that I've preached through because if we're going to understand.
What's happening in our culture? Have been so and if we want to give answers that are solid and Effectual we've got to know where all this if we just think it's a blow. We think it is and if we think we're going to give in effect sure see to commit murder.
That anybody who had a part in abortion should be brought before a court of law and if found guilty executed. That includes the doctor the nurses. Anybody that paid for it anybody that drove the car to get the wall.
I don't want to downplay the wickedness of abortion. But I have that though abortion is more important than any of our economic issues today and even more important than any of our International issues or an issue today important issue today is Christ or Caesar.
Most important issue is the source of law. Important issue is who is came. So Christians if we want to do and that is got to know where we can know what the real answers are. Besides knowing where it came from we got to know where it's supposed to go.
Now I can only go downhill if things don't change. And I expect we got to know what the goal is what this goal of God want us to several the bad things. We got immorality. We got homosexual statism. All those things we got all those who want us to wind up that is.
What is the model? What is the goal that God wants America to look like so many evangelicals believe that it's all out of here. The world's gonna be burned up but and nothing's going to change significantly.
Anyway, cause of this escape it for the past hundred fifty years the beast enough style and take America. I think I've changed in my life when I realized the difference between I was young I thought they were both saying the same thing.
I would admit says thou shall have the second commandment says don't make under the any graven images. Sounds sort of like the same thing to me back. There's a lot of the difference that made a difference in worship and way.
Cannot read. Wow, but an antinomian age and he means against know me and comes to the Greek word law anti law. We live in an antinomian age. That is a culture that hates God get in some reformed churches in his law second job and.
And I'm going to bring in the picture and that is I walk at Liberty. Condemnation to the flesh Christ help in our place for our sin murder that people filled in us might be fulfilled in. As we walk not in our own talking the power of the whole things America has given up on got to know where we came.
From it was because the Puritans in the 18th century great as they were.
Wow there is. You may be aware of this maybe you're not but there is quite a controversy a debate brewing these days over Thomas Aquinas and the importing of his philosophy into the church. There's sharply divided Divisions and debates going on amongst reformed Baptists and other theologically reformed folks and My dear friend.
Dr. James R. White of Alpha Omega Ministries has been vilified by some because he is openly and adamantly opposed to the importing of Aquinas into our reformed ways of thinking and teaching and living and.
It's it's been quite an interesting thing. Well, I Here's the thing realize that we're talking about what most people that the problem in America is not deep state and one is a Augustinian Christianity anybody that thinks I'm.
Wow, I know I've got to get a hold of that. I have never heard of that book.
Obviously nor have I read it. So I'd love to get a hold of that to be more up to speed on this especially since I see this issue dividing brethren who once were very close friends and I'm sorry. Yeah.
Interesting. Well, we have to go to our first break right now. Dr. Moore craft. And if anybody wants to join us on the air with a question of your own for dr Moore craft on his assessment of the 20th and 21st century or assessment of the church.
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Who asked the question? I? Was wondering if dr. Moore craft could clarify on something that he said earlier he was criticizing those who are constantly looking to the rapture of the church and Escapism as one of the main problems in the church that has been plaguing us for centuries, but Does dr. Moore craft believe that this will occur in our future?
Is the issue really and an overemphasis on the eminent return or is it on the return itself? I am hoping that dr. Moore craft is not a hyper preterist.
Very good. Believe the Bible and the Apostles crowd that is the pre tribulationalism. Yes. That was how did they survive planet belong? It does not belong to the bed. It's iron here to retake it. By the preaching of the gospel by world missions by evangelism by Christian out of planning of churches and the changing of cultures all over this world and it comes to Retaking the earth when it comes to that.
We've got to make sure we're following God's plan to just have a small group of people To impose themselves upon didn't tell them what they had of any attempt. It is evangelism and having won their hearts and know them how to build states and not according to human.
Glad you asked that question. So I could clarify I'm not an escapist leave this world and everything in it first Corinthians everything in it. But long is to advance is a while ago that we not only must know we've got to know what the goal is.
We've got to know What is God's goal for a civilization? What does he want a civilization to look like and there are several very good recommend by route rush to me ones called this independent Republic and The others called the nature of the American system this independent Republic and the nature of the American system and Then it men 1900 in teaching Christian thing in it.
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We have a listener Bobby in Hartsdale, New York who says. Do you think one of the reasons that? Those who really cling to Thomas Aquinas as a great hero that we must emulate and imitate and Glean much of his philosophy in Order to function properly in the church that these same people are very often evidentialists rather than presuppositional is because of their over emphasis on human reason.
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That's exactly right and so we had to lunch work now. Let me say uh-huh. And this is coming from a post-millennialist. That is true that I don't believe the line upward is. I believe that the line is up and upward it is.
Chasing the church like he is now is getting the church ready for better things in the future. I pray that's where we are. That he has to teach us the the sooner we can get out of the mess. We're in we didn't get here took years of betray.
It took centuries of betray. Now the thing I'm Howard is to show you how to miss. I don't believe things. You know The Bible says the problem with the false prophets in Israel's day is they wanted to declare Israel healed too quickly.
But there is for a thousand years now, I don't believe there but I believe the thousand years. In less than one generation. It's reformers northern Europe was transformed by the gospel less than one generation after a thousand years of false doctrine and not only less than a general less than a generation.
But out of that generation comes the birth and if it wasn't for these this reformation that took place in the 16th century in northern Europe, but never would have been a America now, that's not a racist statement.
I'm not saying that America was built simply by Europeans. There are also Africans, but I am saying that in spite of the fact that they were you in spite of the fact that many of our Anglo-saxons have been reformed by the Word of God.
And it's not because of the European nature what God had done in their heart that they were able to create a culture here. That has been one of the most prosperous and significant cultures in history.
What's interesting is you compare North and South America? South America has more resources than North America and yet South America Backward. It has petty dictatorships. It has a greater man called South America was and North America was populated by prophets and God blessed though.
Not perfect in North America that has all the nations of the world for Christ now for evil. But through the centuries they have sent missionaries and people to influence all over the world. So the Protestant Reformation goes from northern Europe and I don't think ought to bow before ups and downs.
They is law politicians have a great about the scientists and the educators. They have a lot to answer for also that added Christianity and compromise. Christian are the pastors in the church. Hope it in this country has always been the most powerful Influence in the early days.
It was the most powerful influence American culture from 19th century. It's been the most powerful influence the advancement of now. Do you think?
One of the things that I have observed Over the years I have been in Christian media for the greater percentage the majority of my adult life and That means I have been surrounded by and witnessed a lot of different varieties of Professing evangelicalism and I Have come to conclude and maybe you agree with us that one of the reasons why the church Has been not only turning a blind eye to Sin, but even at times Celebrating it Is because of a warped and unbiblical and false version of love.
Now They want to remove the sting of rebuke from sermons and even conversations. They do not want to warn about hell. They don't want to Command men everywhere to repent. They want to coddle people and and comfort them in the midst of their unrepentance.
They have become Really Wickedly soft on the sin of homosexuality. Basically following the footsteps of leftists treating this as if it is an ethnic group or a nationality a Subcategory of humanity these homosexuals rather than treating it the way the Bible treats it a damnable and Abominable and unnatural sin and of course, that's not the only sin.
But it seems that is a lot of this is based in based on a false version of love which may be connected to a lust for growth in numbers in Local churches denominations and so on they they think that the only plate way we're going to grow Numbers here fill the seats that we want to fill and fill the seats that are going to be in our expanded facilities that we are building is to be as kind and as accommodating to the goats in this world and and Putting out trawlers filled with goat food So that more people will come and fill those seats regardless of whether they are repentant and Regenerate, so your comments on that Amen isn't it interesting that a blueprint for the church the book of Acts Never mentions the word love once.
Didn't realize that.
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Welcome back. Dr. Moore craft. It seems that throughout the entire history of Christendom There is a roller coaster going on where horrible things occur to the church and Horrible things spring out of the professing church and then God blesses the faithful and rises up men of God and even movements of God that restore truth and spread the gospel.
And then there eventually comes a day when that down slide Begins again, would you agree with that that that? Even as we saw as recent as the fundamentalist modernist controversy in The early 19th or should I say early 20th century Where we had all these denominations collapsing to liberalism You had rise up faithful men like Machen who we had mentioned in our last program and others who restored the biblical truth to the denominations or created new denominations and new seminaries and so on.
Would you think that that is something that is true? And that should give us hope as we look around us and may fall into despair seeing how bad things are.
I'll never forget. He said he said I will take. That's what we amen and.
Perhaps you could before we run out of time. Rather than leaving on a dark note. You might want to offer some more encouraging words. About what you witness and experience in the body of Christ in the 21st century.
Like I said the last time that the great preachers today are the people that nobody heard of now. There are some great preachers. There's some celebrity Calvinists that I don't like but there's something and I enjoy listening to him.
But the people that I'm talking about are the pastors of Churches some of them small this is up ahead fornia and the pastors that are faithful to scripture. But not many some of them now are small churches.
Some are dying out and more being. I just talked to a young man today Who's coming to see me in a couple weeks? If he passes his organization or nation exam and He's planning a new church. And he's thoroughly reformed.
I know another young man in South Carolina. Another young man and and so I am excited About what God is. I think that The seed of the martyr the blood of the mark. I think they'll. There'll be a lot of blood.
I'll tell you about an evangelist in Romania. I think in our lifetime His name was so this is back during the and they arrested him and they told him that Amen as much as we hate persecution as much as amen and.
Would you say something that I have recognized something that saddens me and I may have even brought this up to you before. I know I've brought it up to other people. But those who are theologically sound and doctrinally solid in many ways Have remarkably at times very often actually in Wanting to see strength in numbers and feeling too Too much of a minority numerically in this Enormous monumental colossal task that we have in front of us Evangelizing the world in the midst of such a satanic culture.
They seek to find strength numerically by aligning with those that may agree with us on Christian morals and they wind up linking arms and Anointing figuratively Those who have a false gospel as brothers and sisters in Christ and I'm speaking especially about the Roman Catholic Church in Eastern Orthodoxy and this this happens far too often with with reformed believers even brilliant reformed men who I admired greatly in many other ways.
Unity in the church is not that important. Amen.
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Heritagepresbyterianchurch .com a very easy website to remember obviously. And then there is a website for dr. Moore crafts. Eight volume. Is it. Eight volume. Eight volume? Yeah the commentary on the larger catechism.
Westminster commentary calm. Westminster commentary calm. And also you can find out more about other writings of dr. Moore craft in addition to sermons and so on by going to comprehensive Christianity calm.
Comprehensive Christianity calm. Do you have any final words that you'd like to say to our listeners before we go off the air and.
Go to encouragement to me. Oh, it's always a joy and encouragement to me to have you on and I.
Always. Before and during and after having interviews with you. I always have people contact me telling me how much they love hearing you. Exposit the scriptures discuss history and anything that Flows from your God-given mind.
I have a growing number of listeners discovering you and falling in love with you and Praying for your ministry and I am just so thrilled for the friendship that has formed between us over the years and I look forward to collaborating with you in.
Kingdom work God willing for many years to come and I look forward to meeting you. Oh, yeah.
You know, we have never met face-to-face. That's amazing to me. Well, I'm gonna have to. The next time I go to the g3 conference in Atlanta I'm gonna have to make a trip to wherever you are in coming and Do that and I appreciate that.
I want to thank everybody who listened. I Want to thank everybody who took the time to write in questions and I want you all to always remember for the rest of your Lives that Jesus Christ is a far far greater Savior than you are a sinner.