August 26, 2019 Show with Costi Hinn on “Ten Practical Steps to Reach Deceived Souls in the Word of Faith Movement with the True Gospel”

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Wishing you all a happy Monday on this 26th day of August

2019 we have returning to iron sharpens iron radio.

Kosti Hinn who I am so delighted that I discovered A number of years ago

through the ministry of Justin Peters.

Justin Peters who's been a guest on this program Quite a number of times and is also God willing

going to be my iron sharpens iron radio pastors luncheon speaker this January.

I heard Kosti Hinn interviewed by Justin and Kosti if the

name rings a bell.

Hinn he is the nephew of notorious word -of -faith leader Benny Hinn

and He has repented and renounced the word -of -faith movement and

the religion of his uncle.

He is a sovereign grace -believing cessationist Christian

these days and he is executive pastor of Discipleship at Redeemer Bible Church in

Gilbert, Arizona.

This is a new call to him just very very recently and Today we are going to be discussing ten

practical steps to reach deceived souls in the word -of -faith movement with the true gospel.

We're also going to be announcing the g3 conference in College Park College Park, Georgia.

Which is going to be held this January 16th or the 18th and Kosti Hinn is on the roster at

this wonderful conference.

But it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to iron sharpens iron radio.

Kosti Hinn.

Great to be here Chris.

Thank you again for having me.

Oh, it's always a joy to have you back brother.

Look forward to many return visits as well.

We already.

Had an interview with Kosti Hinn where he gave his full testimony.

We were more in -depth on how he came to leave the word -of -faith movement.

And if you want to listen to that Interview at some point later.

You just go to iron sharpens iron radio calm and go to past shows.

Podcast.

Click on that and then you'll be able to type in the search engine.

H I N N and Kosti will come up.

His interview.

His previous interviews with me will come up and you can hear them.

But just so our listeners have some kind of semblance.

If you could give us the abbreviated version of when you came to be awakened by the

fact that the The religion of your uncle the religion that many in your family had embraced the

word -of -faith movement Was indeed a false religion a false gospel offering false hope.

And in fact, not only Religiously deceived people are

involved in it.

There is a lot of there are a lot of charlatans involved in it, including your uncle.

But if you could just give us that summary version of when and how you came to realize that and how you

embraced the truth.

Yeah, I would say the process started long ago when questions came to mind and

different things that I saw.

Conscience and I knew that what we were doing was wrong.

But at the same time I really enjoyed the lifestyle and and I wanted to believe that we were

Making

sure

a

lot

of

justify

really died.

And at

that time we were much more

of a wanted to

know more about by and

all of that

that

didn't

click

for me.

No, no, the guy who handed you the commentary.

No.

DTS graduate in 96

or 97

kills

him right

away

anointing

all that

just

he didn't know

who Jesus

was.

He didn't have enough faith because he didn't even know who Jesus was.

So all these things are I grabbed his commentary?

Thinking maybe there's something it and that you

know, Christ is our healer.

Certainly, but each man had

no merits.

He didn't deserve it.

He didn't do anything to get it.

Jesus just healed him.

And then he says the cruelest lie of faith healers today is that if you just the people they fail to heal.

Are guilty of negative confession unbelief and on and on.

I'm thinking I used to I I taught that I believe

that and Many other things that happened in my life many other details that are on our other program.

People that had planted seeds of truth in my life.

But that moment for me was it came

in and I just wanted to know everything else The Bible said about all the things I had believed so I studied

went to seminary.

My pastor began to disciple me our church and all of us together.

Because my story the Lord

was and we went from being an attractional church to being mission Bible

Church.

I came to our church.

So.

Was mission Bible Church in California a word -of -faith church when this started

happening?

We were a word -of -faith.

We were very Like

and even though we did even though we didn't do all the word -of -faith prosperity

weird stuff.

We definitely and everything was you

would have been very mushy metal.

Every other series was on like marriage or sex or Something edgy.

And then our music, you know, we Bethel Jesus culture Hill song kind of just rocked

all our musicians.

We had people that weren't even Chrissy and Justin Bieber

get the talent play the lights out and then preach sermons that are really really cool

and edgy and very like Stephen Furtick style and then you know

That's life and then stick them in small groups and where.

That was the a bit of the approach.

So quick we only got that model rock probably like the

first year and Then and that's his story

to tell you, you know, but you really should have him on sometime.

Yeah, the brilliant brilliant and wise pastor and.

He.

Started being dealt with by the Lord no doubt in prayer and in study and so that started happening.

And then My story was going on and so just all in

all.

Wow, praise God and I know.

That well before I forget I just wanted.

Since you mentioned John MacArthur I want to let you know that I interviewed Phil Johnson recently.

He is actually the most interviewed person ever on this program going back to 2005.

Phil Johnson the executive director of John MacArthur's media ministry.

Grace to you and.

And I can't remember if he was saying this on the air or after the show was over.

But but Phil Was raving about you.

He was just he is just so impressed with you.

And he's excited to be speaking with you on the roster at the g3 conference and he was

Really going on and on about you.

So I just wanted to give you that word of encouragement.

Well, that is Very very kind.

I'm I'm humbled and

it's the one thing Chris if I could say.

And this isn't you don't do this many others don't drives me a little

make a big deal about me and I want to kind of shake him and say If doesn't matter what my last name

is, I know that that's helpful.

I get it, but in the end him aren't in Johnson MacArthur Smith Carter.

What have you?

So many guys have been and and and women really there's been godly women who in

their role and in there.

How many people have been faith?

I'm hoping that my generation kind of some of the younger people that don't know who MacArthur

literally

riding their coattails.

So yeah to hear that it is humbling and I'm grateful and at the

same time and he said

be a

need

for an entire new

generation.

You guys are going to need

to hold the line again on the same at times like that with him.

And I think there's really nothing any of us except

that.

We would accept the call to do what we ought to do, right?

And so that is something I'm praying for my life for other pastors for a whole

generation of young men.

And women to be godly and Standing out standing for truth and holding the line.

Amen, and you are no longer with the mission Bible Church because they actually

sent you to Bless the folks at Redeemer Bible Church of

Gilbert, Arizona to become their Executive pastor of discipleship.

If you could tell us about this brand -new work of yours at Redeemer Bible Church of Gilbert, Arizona.

And also tell us about that church.

Yes, so this church is incredible.

We have been getting to know everyone for a couple of months.

Amazing people the pastor elders here.

John Benzinger is in he's a TMS graduate.

He is currently finishing.

He actually knows Tony the preaching

Pastor from mission Bible, so we're all pretty good buddies, and they're both in the TMS doctoral cohort.

They're called another gospel and.

And we bonded really well.

We hit it here guys and so out of that.

He said hey, we are churches dying Church.

It was called Desert View Baptist Church at about 90 people left and they brought him in as an intern.

In.

Teaching

the Bible and he diagnoses the church

kill all these extra ministries.

You're wasting time do that.

Let's just teach the Bible

and make disciples

keep teaching the Bible people keep coming.

And this is one of the fastest growing counties in the nation Maricopa County and and

from 90 people to at Easter.

There was a thousand twenty two people on the campus.

Wow just great, and we're not doing anything.

There's no funny business going on here.

John always says growing this thing in spite of me.

He's done nothing gimmicky.

There's no fancy stuff.

We don't market at all people are just coming to here's a

lot of megachurches and They're

doing social justice he types and all that so

people are leaving in droves.

And they just want the Bible and so coming

out here really receptive to your ministry.

And there's a lot of Mormons out here.

They're similar to some of the different theology

Nation.

I think it's one of the top ten in all of America it was top three not long ago, and he said it'd be really neat so I

said I'll think through and then and

by Shep con of this year.

The church extended a call formally and said would you be willing to come out here?

We don't know what the future holds but My role at mission Bible was much more operational

administrative, and I loved that.

It was great to lead the church.

And and he needs to be in the pulpit as much as possible.

And he's godly and gifted and so I knew that was what that church needed long -term

and so we all met and the elder here met with Tony and

Those men decided it would be a

take up a preaching load on.

Handle some ministry and then see what the Lord

Wayne.

I didn't kind of strike out here to do it.

I just these older men came all the elders

were unanimous.

She was very.

We packed up our whole life after seven years.

And if we called it tears and cheers admission by those

people and we were leaving him

to be raising up men.

Making disciples

preaching every Sunday night this

skin ministry for high school college young adult.

One of the things that I love immediately about Redeemer Bible Church's

website is Not only do you see? Little kids and young people

Millennials and so forth, but you see senior citizens in the in the videos that you're showing that does my

heart good because so many of the seekers sensitive type

churches that are basically littering the

landscape of the United States.

They don't care about senior citizens that they would rather them just go to other churches leave

perhaps go to heaven they just Really don't want them around.

They're an annoyance.

They're a roadblock to Better and more exciting things in their minds and it really has

become a youth obsessed Culture in our church, and I would say even an idolatrous

culture in the church where the youth are Basically idols and it's it's really disturbing.

So I'm so glad to see even senior citizens highlighted in the video here.

Yeah, it is a really Intergenerational or multi -generational church and that's

been fun.

No generation is is held higher than the other.

Everyone wants to learn from one another.

These are good.

Yeah, it's been a joy.

I think what's been fun to watch too is I I'm coming into a church that is is being Revitalized

and has been revitalized in many ways.

And so it's been fun to hear the stories like very fully and and I know these are

things that are Nobody's bad or evil, but they it was

a congregational church, which can be great.

And I know we've got great friends that are congregational.

But they were inviting so much the

people got together and they voted to vote in elders.

And.

Theological predicts

were being shaped by God's Word and they said for whatever reason we don't need to be in

control right now.

We're having problems.

We're immature.

There's a lot of fighting, you know.

Can can some godly men lead us and

that's really John decided.

Great.

If not, then fire me

and dig into the work and only the

Lord something that was dying.

Amen, and being a reformed Baptist.

I have to ask you What is the Soteriological makeup of the church.

Is it a sovereign grace believing church or is there a mix there?

How does your church function in that regard?

That is a great question.

I'll give you a story and it'll tell you exactly where we're

open -ended on, you know

and revitalize.

I've taken that thing from zero to hero.

So funny story a Church down the street.

Closer to

300 people come to this church.

So it explodes to

preach here five weeks series

five points of Calvinism.

And they were all more Arminian Baptist aid.

For a great story of what.

Five to thirty

five.

And he turns and says, you know, if you don't can't be my disciple

that's not going to become a John did and so

yeah, we would be a Calvinistic Church and Like most

Cal were highly evangelistic because

hardly embraced the doctor and God's sovereignty in that, you know I don't we don't know who the

elect are.

So we're gonna evangelize everybody man, then trust the Lord to save so amen our churches is driven that

way.

Well, praise God and by the way If anybody listening either who live in Gilbert,

Arizona.

Or they have friends family and loved ones in Gilbert, Arizona.

Or you're ever going to be visiting Gilbert, Arizona or planning to move there the website for Redeemer Bible Church

in Gilbert is Redeemer AZ org Redeemer AZ org and hopefully we'll

remember to announce that later on.

We're also gonna have Kosti give us a summary of what he is going to be addressing at the upcoming g3

conference.

By the way, for those of you who don't know the g3 stands for gospel grace and glory

that's coming up January 16th through the 18th in College Park, Georgia a suburb of

Atlanta.

So we're gonna be going to our first break and Kosti will do that as soon as we return.

Before we actually get into the heart of our topic today.

And by the way, you're going to hear a commercial right now with my dear friend, dr. James R white promoting

the g3 conference and It even though it was recorded very recently.

It's a bit outdated because neither James nor I knew about Kosti's

move to Gilbert, Arizona.

We were both under the assumption that he was still in California when he when he recorded this ad.

So you'll see a little bit of outdated information in there when you hear dr. White's commercial.

But don't go away if you'd like to join us on the air with a question of your own for Kosti Hinn our email address is chrisarnson

at gmail .com.

Chrisarnson at gmail .com.

As always give us your first name your city and state of residence in your country of residence if you live outside the USA

and Only remain anonymous if your question involves a personal and private matter, don't go away.

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he is now the executive pastor of discipleship at Redeemer Bible Church of Gilbert, Arizona and

Just a moment.

We're going to start our discussion on ten practical steps to reach deceived souls in the word of faith

movement with the true gospel.

But before we do that, we'd like to have Kosti just speak a moment about What

he will be addressing if he even knows yet at the g3 conference in College Park, Georgia this

January 16th through the 18th.

I know that the theme is worship matters, but have they given you a specific Title underneath that umbrella of

theme.

That is a great question Chris.

And so everybody listening do me a favor and email Josh.

And you need to ask Pastor Josh if If Kosti if

Kosti is doing a breakout session or a plenary session and

then one or the other.

Then I'll be.

I'm ready, but my ticket I'm ready.

My calendar is blocked.

My wife is going to cheer me out the door to g3 but I have no idea Chris if

they have me preaching in a main session or a breakout and then if what my assignment is so.

Well, I am just so glad that I recommended to Pastor Josh Bice of Praise Middle

Baptist Church in Douglasville, Georgia, who is the founder of the g3 conference?

I'm so glad that I recommended you to him Years ago several years ago when he did not

know who you were.

Now, I don't know if he remembered my recommendation and that my recommendation was actually the catalyst to your invitation

but I do remember I was one of the first if not the very first person to Strongly recommend

he invite you to the g3 conference and I remember him saying I'm gonna have to look into that.

That sounds fascinating and I'm so glad that by God's providence that somehow

That kicked in his memory or even if he long forgot my recommendation that somebody else who is more important

recommended you.

And and yeah, I know I know that Our mutual friend Justin Peters

has also spoken there.

So I know that he May have also recommended you to Josh but

I just I got to tell our listeners you've got to be there.

In fact, I remember if you may Remember this as well.

Akasi I even said to you.

Hey, man, you've got to share an exhibitors booth with me at the g3 conference I'll even let you put your stuff out and a banner

where I'm when I'm hosting the iron trip and Zion radio booth there, but

Folks you've got to attend the g3 conference at least once if you've never been there before and.

And.

This year especially the lineup is so phenomenal I'll be mentioning a more in

-depth list of people speaking at the g3 conference, but it's on as I said

worship matters and I'm strongly urging you not only to attend.

But if you have a business or a parachurch organization or anything else that you want to promote

to the body of Christ I would strongly urge you register for an exhibitors booth as well and do so quickly

before they run out of room they normally get over 5 ,000 people to the g3 conference and this is

held at the Georgia International Convention Center, which is a huge gigantic facility.

But this year since John MacArthur is Added to the lineup.

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Well now it's time to get into Ten practical steps to reach deceived

souls in the word of faith movement with the true gospel now one thing that might be helpful.

Perhaps we can even do this as a whole show next time you come on.

But there's a reason you want and biblically sound

Christians want to reach souls in the word of faith movement.

There are many people in our ecumenically minded church today That may say oh, come on.

They're just overly enthusiastic Christians, they're just extremely optimistic

Christians about what God will give them on this earth.

There's no need to get overly upset with them.

Let them have their delusional Optimism if it makes them happy

fine, but if it only could be that Unserious for lack of a better term

tell us why.

The gospel at is at stake in this.

Yeah, that is a great question.

Chris somebody recently Who is inside the movement called me and wanted to dialogue

because his main concern was that I was overstepping and saying that it was a different gospel,

you know it and he had lumped in the prosperity gospel and the word of faith movement and His pleading with me

was you know, Kosti.

I I really think that you're making some great points.

We believe in the same Jesus the same gospel.

We would just have a different application money

and various things actually.

But very firmly that we

are not preaching the same gospel.

And he asked well, can you can you prove that?

I said well first of all.

You know, how far do you want to go?

Do you want to lump in the new apostolic Reformation because we can talk about the false Christology that they're teaching.

The ontological Canonic heresy, which is that Jesus was just and

did all that stuff so we can do them, too.

He's just kind of an example which is blatant heresy

word -of -faith theology and the prosperity gospel in the end and.

I.

Give ten reasons why.

And.

They were easy to unpack.

You know from twisting the Word of God to demeaning or diminishing the deity of Christ to elevating

man.

To spitting on or insulting God's nature that he.

Essentially is a puppet to

mean something.

They Clearly don't mean I would.

It's trampling afoot.

The end of the

gospel is

really laid upon from

Christ to what we know.

And cover that I mean over and over we begin

to discuss

money.

Not a sin.

Timothy in first Timothy

six.

That the richer to be rich and that there are people that in

grace.

Wealthy's not a sin.

The love of money is the root of all evil.

But to be wealthy is not a sin.

So we were to even just for a moment play the opposite thing to do.

I don't use my uncle's you know Aid to

talk about the lifestyle or the money.

It's about the teaching and the theology which happens.

What Peter writes in second Peter 2 1 2 3.

In their greed.

They will exploit you.

There is a desire and a luster

here.

We're seeing that

the prosperity

gospel

in

the

word of

faith

movement.

These are

not the marks

of

such of

the weird stuff.

Okay, we're going to a First listener question.

We have Luke in Cedar Hill, Texas and Luke says over a decade ago Henry

Hinn Visited my Bible school Christ for the nation's Institute Unannounced

and was given the morning chapel time.

Since the Hinn family gave money to the school and probably offered prophetic

oversight.

It was a scandal because Henry was very Disrespectful and foul in his

speech to some of the elderly teachers.

He went on and on telling the gritty details about working for the ministry.

He even picked up one of the 70 year old administrators in a bear hug.

He wouldn't give up the mic.

So they canceled class and allowed him to have the entire morning in his talking to the students.

The next day the staff of the school apologized for this.

Apologized for subjecting the students to Henry's antics.

We were never told why Henry was allowed to do this and what the family thought about Henry.

Does Kosti know anything about this story or is this regular practice for the family members to go off

on their own like this?

Luke thank you here.

I don't know if Luke is aware.

Henry is my dad.

Oh.

Okay, you don't want to go any further.

No, I'm fine.

I just want to let that I want to let that settle in on everyone right now.

You know Henry is my dad.

That was the mark of his ministry.

Shock and awe kind of go in and the

reality is whether it's my dad or any other uncles the the arrogance

and the.

Add in there some of the charisma, you know.

The ability to woo the crowd all of that or it was

kind of what we banked on and Behind all of it why you have brazen arrogance

why you have all that charisma and what we do these

guys think they are.

It all comes from yeah, what Luke said the back end.

Behind the scenes on the back end like when you talk computers, you know.

The nuts and bolts of it all family did and does give a lot of money.

And then the other thing is the name just being in

a lot of people.

You know that

and we did and so yeah, that is not an

unfamiliar of that City not

far from Christ for the nation in Dallas

and there were people who had known others who had been

yeah.

That's that.

I will tell you this.

Interesting my dad and I or where

even just last week.

We talked again.

And.

There we talk very openly now.

He has been honest about some he doesn't really hide much of what was and

so.

That has helped art.

He doesn't fight me on things.

He will literally say that my uncle is a false teacher and that the things that they said were false.

Yeah, so on Sunday, I got

multiple messages because he posted.

I guess he responded to something on my Instagram about the prosperity gospel.

But like amen my son love you

and proud of you.

Keep preaching the truth really really do

things on that number one.

We want to be sure any time and this is not skeptical.

I love my family.

Believe me if anyone repents, I'm all in.

I love it.

We all would be the same way.

But I'm not just gonna say oh, yeah.

Everything's fine.

Pray for and what I

like not just for

more in the

end.

With my father about his what he

is thinking.

Amen.

And by

the way, I'm

not so sure I would be so.

Objecting to Giving somebody a bear hug unless it was against their will.

Okay.

And what my dad used to love to do is go into these academic circles or anywhere where.

No, Paul said.

My dad's kind

of mo like

to ruffle

the

feather at more

light.

I mean that

he wasn't like

hey I love you, brother.

Give it a look.

By the way, I have a challenge for everybody listening the next time any of you see dr James are white of Alpha Omega

Ministries at a speaking engagement I want you to give him a bear hug and then report back to me What his reaction.

James is from a very stoic Scottish Unemotional

background and he feels very uncomfortable and especially when strangers give him bear hugs.

Although he has given me on a couple of rare occasions during Very sad moments in

my life a bear hug, but I can remember Peter Jeffrey Who's now in heaven who is from

Port Talbot or was from Port Talbot Wales?

Peter Jeffrey, by the way Kosti, I strongly recommend you read anything that you can find written by Peter Jeffrey.

He is he was a Calvinistic Baptist pastor in Wales.

In fact, he pastored Sanfields, which was the first church pastored by Martin Lloyd -Jones.

But I remember when I used to give Peter Jeffrey hug.

He's he looked like he was terrified like like, you know, some escaped criminal had just grabbed the whole of

him.

But we have to go to our midway break right now, oh by the way Luke I forgot to tell you.

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Kosti if you could give us the first practical method that you

recommend to reach those trapped in the word of faith movement and Draw them

out of there by God's mercy and grace.

Yeah, the first thing I would say sounds like a very

never we say well, yeah, I know pray.

But really give me the real answer thing that we neglect when it comes

to people that are caught up in deception.

Maybe other people don't but I know I do and I have and did early on I

certainly would wield the truth my family and friends the

errors that were

being said.

He said prayer is doubts destroyer Runes remedy and the antidote to all anxieties.

And so when I think of prayer and Reaching people the two have to go hand in hand.

Whenever I've prayed for family or friends It's really hard to hate them and it's hard to

have animosity towards them.

I find when I'm praying and begging The God who is the Alpha and the Omega the beginning the end the

author of salvation.

For their salvation that it softens my heart not towards what they teach But towards them as

individuals and I'm able to see them not as

defeated or but I see them as a soul That is in need

of salvation and get everything start.

Amen and second method that you suggest.

Yeah, I would move from prayer to studying the truth.

If you're gonna reach people you need to be able to convey the truth to them.

That doesn't mean that everyone needs a degree From a seminary or doesn't

mean that if

you're gonna wield the power of the gospel, you better know the gospel yourself and a lot of people

but we need to be able to know what the Bible actually says and

what it means and comes to Studying the truth and

knowing the truth.

That means it's going to take some time and

Tell anyone the truth you should just wait.

But we should see some sort of gap where maturity that we

set off To go and reach everyone.

This is one of the things I'll recommend it.

What do I do?

I've got friends caught up in this but I don't know how to explain it all.

I say well.

One of the ways you can be a witness is to invite them to your church or say hey I

think we should go to have made

me think maybe you'd want to come with me.

And so until we are able to study and know for

our should we be?

Striking out of anything now, that's

an interesting statement because you might have

people.

Wrongly thinking that your average believer

perhaps even a fairly new believer should never be an ambassador or a witness for Christ

in their home and in their workplace.

Obviously during appropriate time when people have the freedom to Interact and I'm not talking about

employees robbing people of their.

Of.

Robbing their employers of their time, but Every Christian with

whatever knowledge that they have I'm not saying As you were I think suggesting that they should be

with ignorance with a lot of zeal and lacking in wisdom.

Yeah become these Missionaries out to the

Areas surrounding them and getting up in a stump and shouting out What they

believe the truth to be because very often they are making fools out of themselves.

They are not yet ready.

They're not ready equipped to be Accurate in what they

are saying so doesn't Every Christian not even if even if they are young don't they need to come

home and tell their spouses their children their co -workers Their neighbors.

I have discovered Jesus Christ his gospel of grace.

He has set me free from the sin that enslaved me the sin that was sending me to hell.

I just can't keep myself quiet.

I just love this Lord and I hope that you come to discover him and love him, too.

Absolutely.

So yeah, none of what I'm saying is is meant to Dampen the

passion

and drive sharing the truth with others.

What I'm more referring I'll use a personal illustration

early on.

I was very emotional and I was frustrated and I wanted I realized that what

I believe was false and I went right after my family and Began to say you're

false teachers.

You guys are wolves.

You were wrong.

You need to repent and in the end I conveyed a lot of aggress to be

honest.

Oh, I did not know how to

at least winsomely or even closely articulate what or why and

So I'm not suggesting that people not share the truth.

But in the end if someone said, you know, your life is perfect and

they say well Why do I need to follow Jesus walk the

aisle?

I prayed a prayer and I know what I felt that you should feel it too.

That's not good enough.

You need to be able to say

sin and I turned to Christ and I know it like I'm talking to you right now.

I'm saved mom.

I'm different.

My whole mind has changed.

I want that good understanding

not big words and big theology, but clear truth and Not just being

them and nobody should ever.

Pretend to know more than they do.

There's nothing wrong with saying if somebody has a question for you.

Can you please perhaps come over my house and meet with my pastor.

Or can you visit my congregation one day?

During a worship service.

Because I don't have those answers right now.

All's I know is that the Lord saved me.

I've got a handful of facts that I know but I'm not a theologian.

I can't really answer that question that you've asked right now.

So please just be patient with me.

Help me find somebody that will address that.

Yes, and amen.

Amen and.

If you could give us your next step.

Yeah, I would tag on to studying the truth and this one bleeds into this one deal with heart issues if

There are people who have

led you astray or even people that are lost.

I know this can happen to new believers when we come out of the word of faith movement and

We're really angry because we've been mistaught and we've been led astray.

Oftentimes or convey the truth

we need to deal with heart issues in the book because

they're wiser people that came around me and They were

in areas of frustration that

needed to be dealt with and

so for a lot of Christians who are newly saved and They go out and

could have easily happened to me.

Where people want me to speak on an issue or they want others to speak on the issue and in the end.

Why do you want to come?

Why do you want to call something out?

Why do you are you?

Finding your motive.

Are you doing it with as one pastor told me to preach these things with

wet eyes.

Are you doing it to keep him in?

Are you angry?

And so this is a payback.

I had to ask myself and others after

saying anything publicly and so I

To be encouraged you do

something or say something that you don't really mean in the moment deal with those things.

I would add one more thing to that which is Essentially making sure that we're managing ourselves

and being managed by wise people during cage stage.

You've heard of case.

Yes, especially in regard to we who are Calvinists and Very

often you have somebody just as we were saying earlier Who has a lot of zeal and passion and perhaps even anger

perhaps?

They've been deceived so long in false religion that they want to get out there and they want to challenge and

tear to shreds.

Everybody who believes yeah and false teaching but they do so without wisdom and very often without knowledge.

And and I've found perhaps you have as well.

Sometimes people in cage stage Calvinism.

They wind up ignoring Certain parts of the Bible.

They might not even know that they're there because they're so new in the faith.

Because they sound Isolated and taken out of context context like Arminian

texts.

I remember somebody in cage stage Calvinism who was furious.

That he was hearing during a sermon at my church.

My pastor at the time say choose this day whom you may serve.

And he was like What is this guy talking about choosing and like that's a Bible text.

He was quoting the Bible.

But anyway, if you could continue on that.

Yes, that is

a bottom line.

You know cage stage you come into contact with the doctrines of grace.

You realize these true the more you read the Bible the more you go.

Oh my goodness.

It's all and I remember sitting down with my

parents moment and I

realized at that moment that I had a lot of zeal and not a thought of a

church used to deal with.

I really Needed to

but they don't yeah.

Another thing is he could certainly.

They were

sending

really

long text messages and debating with people

things get very emotional.

Even via email and suddenly things are getting misinterpreted and we don't hear tone.

That audience can be something that's very healthy.

We see the person's demeanor.

We see them as a person.

We have to make the effort to opening that meeting with prayer

you but I've never

bait in creating the

space if we're going to

reach People.

I'm not saying you know that you're gonna find me out.

You know for a steak dinner with Uncle Bert and make me

privately now there's going to be such but in general

Meeting with people privately for the purpose of trying to rest great

thing that we should do and then in that.

Again, this is

realizing that I could get so much further by

it doesn't mean I agree with them.

But I might say something like you know, mom you you you like Joyce

may say yeah.

You know like Joyce Meyer and I might say well, you know, what are your thoughts on you know her?

$25 ,000, you know, why why would someone

justification is there for that?

My mom might like, you know, she's

that into statement.

I get that.

She's serving the Lord.

That's you if you just

say it you can have it has that worked for you like in

every way.

You can just say things like that is ways that you can help people

not getting in the way

Goes down and you can actually reach

them at all.

Supersede the sovereign you probably agree as Calvinist.

We even know this sometimes and

We know that he's going to do what he's going to do and he's going to use somebody if I'm angry and

I'm not Calculated and I don't go after people to reach them.

That's not going to stop God.

He's going to save his sheep, but he's going to use somebody else perhaps as a means to

it's important that we be good questions Askers and then another one

is to speak the truth in love.

This is something that we need to do in hard conversations.

That means we need to be truthful accurate fair patient gentle Humble

and Peters does he

is tender?

He's a man copper.

He's not going to cop when he does when he talks.

He's winsome and he's gentle and he's trust.

Amen, and we have a listener.

John and Bangor Maine.

Who says do you not think that when discovering the heresies of the word -of -faith movement?

We not go to the other extreme and behave like some Christians do.

One man in particular that comes to mind who's not a word -of -faith teacher At all,

but who I think teaches things that are to the opposite extreme.

That man is Tony Campolo who tries to lay a guilt trip on Christians.

If they own for instance a Rolls -Royce or a very expensive car can't we be

very cautious about Judging another brother or sister as to why they may own

such a vehicle or other item or house.

Perhaps these things were given to them or perhaps they are purchasing them because of

Research they've done on the the most reliable vehicle you could go on and on and on

and also.

To think about how scared you might be if your lawyer or brain surgeon were to drive up into the

parking lot in a rundown vehicle you might Want to change

your lawyer or doctor?

I mean, I think that there is some truth or a lot of truth in that that statement or question.

Yeah, I agree that is a very good question there evil to the

prosperity gospel and the idea that you're more spiritual if you are poor

and While certainly money can be a great distraction There are many people who are

wealthy in this world who love the Lord and they

aren't living lavishly to build their

a hearty.

Amen, there is a serious danger again on

wealth is not a

sin and submitting the church

and I Cannot find for the life of me

and would indict a

Driving a nice car can't find a verse that

men can't go enjoy a nice day on the golf course.

I can't find a verse that said that

are you know

Negating its responsibility when we do not care.

Everybody has to healthy people can't enjoy something nice or even people that

find any

verses

in the Bible That say that that's

wrong at all.

What I do think is there's wisdom that needs to be used.

Pastors especially amen.

Prudent great, you

know, you can give that

money away.

The poverty

gospel is a slippery

slippery and John and Bangor, Maine.

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Chris Arnson at gmail .com and We have CJ and Lindenhurst Long Island, New York who

says Shouldn't we be very careful about not broad brushing people who have some

affiliation with the word of faith movement?

But may indeed be our brothers in Christ.

Nonetheless, I am not saying that we should allow them to wallow in that heresy and that we should do all we can

to draw Them further away and completely out of that heresy, but shouldn't we be careful about not

lumping them all together as damned?

Yes, I agree we should be very careful in

believe that we have done a good job.

We consulted different even assembly of God

while we might advocate for

the things

that are

saying and

even going

to be Believers who love the Lord and are preaching the true gospel.

Who want to their closet and

that's their prerogative they want to do that.

But we align with everything else and I'll be honest.

My mother is one of them right now.

I talk with my mother and she has her she says it's her private prayer language and she speaks

meanwhile.

We agree on everything else.

Now.

We talk she cries over the gospel.

She agrees and affirms the truth.

She wants nothing to do with the life.

She used to live.

Amen.

Yeah, she holds on to the prayer language thing.

So at one step at a time in my mind, but careful with broad -brushing.

All right, CJ.

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Please give us some more steps before we run out of time Kosti there.

Oh, I was asking you to give us a couple more steps that you might have.

Yes, absolutely.

Besides seeking a private audience, which is where we left off and speaking the truth in love I would say something that

I stole.

Okay, I stole this from John MacArthur.

I.

Hung out one time with and I said how in the world

and they disagree

and they disagree on eschatology.

I mean these are these are a big deal in the local

church.

Yes, how I want to know from

dogmatic and this individual said oh, yeah, that's easy to

me and the lies.

Disagree that is really

disagreement would be another step and reach them in this movement

and not Personalizing the disagreement if they're scoffing at what you're

saying.

It's not your words, it's go or if they don't agree with you.

They're actually not disagreeing with you and it's

important.

I

could have

lost an

opportunity for

this but

leaving the

door open for

clean people

down who

are an

opportunity

for

evangelism

and.

The reality is

it doesn't mean

that we're letting him

in our

home old John

MacArthur and

you're like who in the

world are these?

Guys and the truth is beginning to

penetrate your heart.

Those are never

be reaching

people and

thinking

of

them

and

weeping over their

soul knowing that

at any given

day man.

And we have one more question.

We'll squeeze in from Arnie in Perry County, Pennsylvania.

He wants to know Kosti.

Do you agree with the assessment of the world -renowned reformed Baptist pastor in?

Africa Zambia.

To be specific.

Dr Conrad and Bayway that one of the reasons that the word of faith movement has caught on in Africa is that

there is Little to distinguish it from the pagan and idolatrous religions of the

witch doctors in Africa I.

Agree wholeheartedly with pastor Conrad and have had the privilege of talking with him and sitting with him and

ministering with and what he has said is

Something that everyone it is 100 aligned with that the way that I would

illustrate that is just look at a phrase in Jesus name for word of faith or prosperity.

Gospel proponents in Jesus name is like abracadabra Magic phrase that unlocks some

mystical thing that God is doing.

It's a super.

To pray in Jesus name

is to pray in accordance with the will of Aligned with the nature of who he is and so you can

pray in Jesus name for Bentley's all you want.

But she's the reality is.

Praying in Jesus name is a very serious and weighty and Clear thing in the Bible

based on his nature in his will and what many have done in these pagan Religions and

in very cult -like.

They have turned a lot of these phrases into in

these other country.

Well, thank you Arnie.

Please give us your email address and we'll have CVB BS comm ship out a free copy of the book that we

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I want to thank you so much Kosti for being my guest again on iron sharpens iron radio.

If you wouldn't mind holding on I'd like to say a proper goodbye to you off the air.

I want to remind our listeners of the website of the church where you now serve on the

pastoral team.

That is Redeemer AZ org Redeemer AZ org Redeemer Bible Church of Gilbert,

Arizona.

Don't forget about the g3 conference where Kosti will be speaking along with many other prominent figures in the church.

That's g3 conference comm.

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I will be there as well with an exhibitors booth.

I want to thank all of you who listened today.

Especially those who took the time to write.

And I want you all to always remember for the rest of your lives That Jesus Christ is a far greater Savior than

you are a sinner.