Gorgeous Goatskin Greek New Testaments, 3 Mormons, Open Phones

Greetings, welcome to the Dividing Line. Somebody's trying to spoof me on a bad call right to start the program. How's that? Welcome to the Dividing Line. It is a Tuesday and we're gonna start off with a little bit of a Little bit of geekiness, I guess if you if you don't mind.

When I was in Bible College, I was poor as a church mouse and yet despite that especially when I started taking Greek I Really really wanted to have a nice Greek text and I've told the story before. Back, then someone was involved the ministry that was in the sort of the printing area and They had a friend who was one of Jehovah's Witnesses.

But he did Leather covers for books and stuff what we would call Bible rebinding today. But this was Middle 19 Early 1980s and so it was a while back and I don't know how I paid for it. But this is the the first Greek New Testament that I had made and It says along the the spine Jesus said I am the Alpha and Omega this is a UBS third not corrected UBS third.

And I still have it. It still has. I loved those. See that that's that sticker in there, you know, it does the rainbow thing. I still love those that rainbow stuff. They had that in the in the in the Christian bookstores back then, you know.

It's a little Jesus fish and stuff and and I and I as a kid. You know the little the little you'd get these little Bible stickers for getting doing your memorization or whatever it is. You did, you know, I still I think I bet you I could go in the other room and find a packet of these still in Over there.

So yeah, anyway, so no no marker anything, you know, this was just you know, just Basic, but it's what I started with then. You know I had a bunch of others made. I had some stolen once my my Truck was stolen out of the Phoenix College parking lot once and they got both a Hebrew text and a Greek text.

You know, they're moldering somewhere in the Phoenix City dump somewhere. But eventually at some point in seminary I had this beast made now you can get the Biblia Sacra now from UBS. And So this was before then and this was our first attempt to do page edging it was Anyway.

Well, okay, but gotta keep one thing in mind. They were two different sized texts because this was the small Biblia Hebraica stucartensia. And I think this isn't the No, this is still UBS. So as a UBS Text put together with was which which UBS text is this?

This was up to the third edition corrected now. Whoo, we're getting up and up in the years now. We're up Edition five now. Um, so anyways this had this had some markers in it and you know a Biblia Hebraica and for a long time there were people looked with some level of Jealousy.

Because you know, it's really nicely made. It's got both the Greek and the Hebrew. Yeah we we lost some of the notes alongside the Hebrew text to get it down to the size of the of the Greek text, but Hey, it's it's all the text is still there.

That's the important part. And so if you've seen this sitting back here Anyway, so getting Especially original language text. I've got some real nice Bibles I've got a Allen rebind New American Standard, you know, that's top-of-the-line type stuff and Let's just be honest the vast majority of the time I'm going to be you know, I just I just did the past two Sundays at PRBC and I I preach have an iPad and it's an iPad Pro.

It's twelve and a half inches size huge screen massive fonts I can back away from the pulpit and and see the Greek from three feet away and you know it's it's really hard to get a Printed text that can even get close to that as far as actual visibility Is is concerned so a couple of I don't know a couple weeks ago month ago month and a half ago two months ago I don't know when it was All of this you can blame on Kofi Because I follow Kofi on Facebook and Kofi puts post this picture of this this beautiful Bible now There used to be I used to have contact with this guy at a at a Bible binding place down somewhere in down south and I don't know when it was it was it was Just over two years ago, maybe they they bound a Quran for me and Just did a beautiful job.

And so I thought you know, I'd really like to have the new Nessie Allen 28th and I'd arranged they did I think they had actually ordered one in and then I lost all contact every Email phone call everything just gone.

I have no earth the idea what happened I mean, I normally stick with somebody once I find somebody enormous sick, but lost all contact. They said poof I'd call I'd leave messages. I did emails gone. And so it's like oh, well, okay never get to do that.

So I saw Kofi's post and I I saw this, you know who had who had done it post tenebrous Lux Bible rebinding and I'm like, wow, that's that's really nice. And so I clicked on it and went over and and Like the page and and then sent a message and at the time all I was really thinking about was and I still Might want to do this Was I was ordering a Triple the large print triple the Book of Mormon doggos program price and They only make them available in Mormon colors black brown and red.

You know, you know, there's this there's this friend, you know and Barring. Oh, yeah, and so I actually first wrote and said, you know, I I Have this project I'm thinking about doing and I you know, I don't want I don't want to offend anybody by making you bind heresy You know a type of a situation and but would this be something you know might be possible.

Well turns out that the That the fellow knows who I am and so we started talking and Basically yesterday This Okay, good. Okay, this arrived in in the mail now many of you have seen the pictures of this and I cannot believe It's almost like this leather it came from a chameleon Because this looks completely different here in the in the studio Than it did in my house that it does in the sunlight the the this is goatskin I believe I'll ask Jeffrey in just a moment and It just it just like changes colors you'll notice the Alpha Omega embossing there on the on the edge.

You've got Novum Testamentum Grecci 28 then now I'm a little concerned PTL, you know sounds like You know a copyrighted television program. But it's not. It's it's Latin. I think that's how you get away with it.

Is it? No. No, I'm not to comment. It's Latin actually. So it's written in another language but check out Check out that edging now that was sent out to do and they did an incredible job. But look at that I mean look at that reflection right there.

It's reflecting the the Screen and right there wall. I mean I had to separate the pages You know just like you do with and that's just so much fun with the new Bible, you know, but it's the only Greek text that I've had that has the gilded the gilded pages on it and of course the full yap and then get it really close you can see the on the edges there the the Sewing along the edges of of the apps got three Three markers in it.

And as you can see it It's not stiff, but it's not You know, we're just It's it's got a really really good Feel to it. And of course, it's as soft as butter I mean it is just and then of course the ridging along along the back very very classy classical type thing and Believe you me.

There isn't there is not another nasty island 28 edition like that around and so I thought hey We won't spend too much of his time because hopefully he's gonna be so busy with so many other people but I asked Jeffrey Rice to call in.

Hi Jeffrey. How you doing? I'm doing great. How are you? I'm doing real well. So I assume you've been listening and The description that I gave here so This particular volume first. What what would you like to say about it?

What were what were the challenges and what did you what did you what did you enjoy doing with this one?

Well first, I mean we had that conversation. Where you went on your bike ride and you said if something was to happen to you that I could keep it. Well, you know, I might will try to read it and then I opened it up and it was like staring into a human brain.

Realizing that that's that's not what I can do. Okay. Well, that's all right. So. Yeah, it's a beautiful text and I Like that it had a rounded spine. Oh.

Okay that that makes it easier for you.

Well, I think it gives a better look a lot of times. I'll put like a Wrap around hubs. So those little bumps on the back of your call hubs, right? I'll put a wrap around hugs, but it's got a rounded spine.

You really don't have to. You can still lay the bottle flat and see the hubs right. Right now you particularly like doing the Stitching along the along the app. What what what. You have a hand the hand stitching around the perimeter?

That's kind of something I'm known for and.

What does that do for it or is it just a an aesthetic thing?

Well, I mean it does make it beautiful. I mean, I think it looks really good. I have it stitched but yeah, man, it'll make it to where like if a Bible will last you 20 years. Hand stitching will make it last 50 to 75.

It's something. If you have it done, you can truly pass it down through your generation.

Now what now this is this is. Was it Italian goatskin that we used? Yes. Okay, Italian goatskin and I had said I had Mentioned to you the kind of color I was looking for and you sent a picture. Like I said Maybe you had the same impression, but it doesn't seem to be the same color any two times.

I look at it.

No, every time I took a picture of it was different. Yeah. Yeah, it is so.

Amazing. I've got a guy, you know, you you directed me to him making a guy the husband wife team making a slipcover because I want to be able to carry it with me, but Traveling and and and putting stuff in and out of Your bag at TSA checkpoints and stuff like that is just especially with that beautiful edging is is just absolutely destructive so I've got to have some way of Protecting it, but I definitely want to have that to be able to Take to debates.

I'll have that for the debate in Florida. Obviously because I think the vast majority of the focus in the debate when Michael Brown and I are debating on the subject of homosexuality against two homosexual advocates Will be on the New Testament.

And so I would imagine once you get to see the the video of that there will be flashes of whatever color it ends up being During the course of the debate. I don't know what kind of what the temperature of the lights in the room are.

So who knows what color will end up being but it'll be somewhere between a green and a blue Right now it's it's a beautiful beautiful turquoise, but I I swear at home. It was green. I just It's like the Navy with it.

Oh, yeah. Oh, you mean as far as yeah the the there was There's a couple different. There's two navies and a turquoise. And then the Navy Inside so so what do you I'm not sure? Okay, so yeah the Navy that so the inside of the cover is a navy color that matches the stitching.

But then the first page is is a black Thing a black so you've got blue and then black. Yeah, okay, so So I hadn't actually shown that part. So just just an incredible Incredible volume. It's it's beautiful now.

I've seen a lot of your other work. I saw Brother Melton down in prior. I saw his preaching Bible and You with the soul is on the spine. Yeah, and that now that was a pretty Thick Bible. I'm not sure what kind of a Bible that was but it was an Allen Bible.

Really?

Yeah, I've rebound three Allen's and probably six Skyler's. Wow, I'm telling you what man like. I have an hour and a Skyler here with me now. I actually have four Skyler's that the rebound rebound. But you can hold one of them in one hand and hold one of mine in the other and if you can Honestly say that the Allen or the Skyler feel better.

I will give you.

Yeah, yeah, that's that that's amazing. I loved I loved what you did with Kofi's work and then My preacher brother down there and prior had the soul is on the on on the. And of course, you got to plan all that out obviously way ahead of time.

There's a lot of a lot of thing. Yeah, you know, like what like the. The whole imprinting the Bible. That's probably what I hate the most. But I have to do it so much.

Yeah, and you got to do it very carefully because one one mistake you get to you get to start all over again, so yeah.

So, I mean, you know back when I first started I had it, you know on the tabletop and it was tough man.

Oh, I imagine maneuver myself. Well, great, so obviously other people have found you before I did and so I am very thankful that that Kofi, you know now that I think about it, I I I think I may have seen that preaching Bible and just didn't put two and two together or didn't see the links or whatever else.

It might be I'm not I'm not sure but in any case Obviously a lot of the people that watch this program Have similar interests to me and so how do they how do they get hold of you. If you know, I've a lot of folks either have a Bible they really really really like and they they want to do the rebinding things they can keep the text.

Or there's just a lot of folks that just want to have a really really really really cool looking Binding a job on on their Bible and I want to keep it for a long time. So I Know that obviously you're on you're on Facebook.

Did you just pop into Twitter recently?

Yeah, Kofi actually tell me man. You need to get you a Twitter account.

Yeah, cuz cuz when I started following you I think I think yesterday or the day before yesterday. You're my first follower. Oh, well, there you go. There you go. I.

Never following you on YouTube since 2011. Okay. All right. Well seven seven years. I'll take that. So they can. I told my I told my wife I said man I really like to get a Bible in James White's hand and this was months ago right when the preachers Bible came out Arthur and.

Then you said you didn't read from from a Bible and I was like.

Yeah, I know I know but when it comes to the Greek text III will do that because it's a little bit easier to look at the notes and stuff in a in a paper version that it. Is the electronic version? So especially in debates.

I very frequently do carry that. But so but be as it may so. Obviously. Facebook Twitter PT L Bible rebinding. Calm. Yeah, cuz it would be a long it'd be very very long to have post tenebrous Lux and no, yeah.

No, baby, I'll spell it and they'd never find you. So that.

Only get very obvious and we were a reformed family Company, you know and and we wanted to everyone to know that. But that God has brought life and immortality the light through the gospel and that's only found in Scripture that Great a way for us to express that and to have it out there.

Well, that's great. I I I hope that.

Those people who've been looking for someone that'll do a great job for him. Well, we'll look you up and get in touch with you and Hopefully we'll keep you busy for for a long long time to come and eventually I'll get around to Figuring out what I want to do as far as that that triples concerned but right now I'm just just very happy to have Have this beauty and I just hope no one ever decides to try to make it walk away from my debate desk I hope that right after debate I Appreciate it.

Well, thank you Jeffrey for calling in and All right Well, I appreciate that very much keep keep listening and we'll we'll keep sending people your direction All right, thank you. All right. God bless.

Bye. Bye All right. There you go. Please do not be contacting the ministry going. I've got a great company too. Um, that's that's not the point. Um, I Know this audience and I know that there are a bunch of people sitting there looking at that going.

That's not fair in fact the look you're giving me right now as you're looking at the television screen or At the at the Computer screen is the same. Look that that King James only fell. What was that King James only fell in London?

Jack Jack Mormon Mormon not Mormon Mormon Down there is my 15 fit is our the ministries 1550 Stefanos right right there at the end of my finger. There's the 1550 response right there. And when I took that To our debate in 2011 February of 2011 in in London the televised one and I'm sitting there holding that in my hand the look on his face is exactly what a bunch of you are doing about my Greek New Testament you Shouldn't have that I should have.

So I'm telling you right now If if any of you are thinking Present for my pastor ladies, if you're thinking present for my My husband or guys if you're thinking present for my wife Christmas is gonna be here before you know it and something tells me That that's probably be a busy time for brother Jeffrey.

So if I were you I'd sort of think ahead Along those lines what I did. I'll tell you straight up. I Got his address and just had the Greek text. I spot the Greek text and had sent there Because I did not have a large print na -28 that is a large print.

It is readable to me still not as big as the as the as the iPad and I'll still be preaching from the iPad, but When it comes to needing to be able to get between texts look at possible text of variants and stuff or just simply to take a text up to Up to the the podium or the lectern or the pulpit or wherever I am teaching.

Yeah, that that baby's gonna be sticking with me for for a long time I just I'm just doing how I worry about is TSA guys I literally had them rip a Bible out of my bag the last time I traveled we can't see through it.

You can't see through a book I'm unimpressed if a book can hide things. But that's the only thing I'm worried about is because I'm gonna tell you something the edging here is just yeah, perfect. And I like the silver with the turquoise.

I think that that goes great. So there's a 23 minutes of geekiness. But I just I know my audience and I know a bunch of you are like What I would give for a buttery smooth soft Perfectly bound gorgeous Greek New Testament or by the way, let me just mention I just saw.

And I just pre-ordered from Hendrickson. If this is has nothing to do with any of this Hendrickson is putting out a readers edition Greek Septuagint, it's based on Ralph's so it's not gonna be you know, it's not like the Göttingen critical text or something like that, but You know, it's it's a it's a free text basically, but it's generally accurate, but it's it's Ralph's edition of the Greek Septuagint readers edition and if you've not seen Either the readers Old Testament or readers New Testament.

It's really nice back and back in my my day. Which was shortly after the Apostle Paul died we had seki kubo, which was a separate volume he carried That was in canonical order and it assumed that you had a 50 word vocabulary.

In other words, not just 50 words it's about 306 actually, but That you knew all the words that were used 50 or more times in the New Testament. And if it's used less than 50 times in canonical order, so if you're reading Galatians chapter 5 verse 6 You'll be looking at Galatians 5 6 and any words in that Verse that are used less than 50 times.

There will be a gloss a brief definition. It's not in-depth. It's meant to allow you to read with pace read with speed. Well That was great at the time but you know you had to Greek New Testament you had to be looking back and forth and then they came out with readers editions and They're really nice because you've got the text you've got the same information Basically at the at the bottom of the page and so you're just looking at one page.

You can read even faster than they came out with a readers Hebrew. Is that what that one is, I think that's yeah, I think over there in the corner and that I had rebound to is the Hebrew and Greek with the readers stuff that one up on the the thing above it might be Bobby right there and that's the the company that I lost track of but they did a real nice job on that and So you've got the readers Editions of those and now the Greek subject and the the Septuagint.

That's gonna be I think really helpful to spend a little time each day doing some reading in that. Just because of the the deep interaction of the Greek Septuagint with the New Testament I think that'll be extremely useful extremely useful.

So There you go. All right, I Knew I'd go a little bit longer on that. But hey, it's It's geeks are us So Supposed to be untagged for something. People posting some pictures and things like that. I posted a The longest thread anyone has ever seen on a Twitter this morning.

In fact, I did not know that there was a maximum number of tweets you can put into a thread. I think it's 20. I Had to ask for ask for help more than once you can't you cannot respond to anybody with a thread you can only start a thread on Twitter on the website and Then once you post something there will be a little plus and you hit plus it opens up another window for the next one then.

The next one the next one next that's that's how you do it. And what's nice about it is you cut and paste and it'll outline in red what goes over the limit. So you can just go back easily cut that out go back to your thing cut paste the next part.

It takes time, but at least they're making it somewhat easier to do and so that's. That's what I did this morning. And what I did is I I saw various people posting this thread. And It was in response to John MacArthur.

And As most of you know, dr. MacArthur began a blog series yesterday. It was just a prologue. It was just the the forward the introduction. But many people could not restrain themselves. To find out to wait until the entirety of the presentation was was made.

People like Dr. Anthony Bradley Immediately talked about him face planting into a pile of conservative ideological. What was it? I forget what it was, but it was anything but respectful. It was extremely disrespectful dismissive.

Dr. Bradley has written a few books on the subject and so he does seem to think that he's the only one that can really Talk about the subject. What's interesting is every time he said well go watch this I'll go watch the video and Then when I ask questions about I don't get answers.

Well read my chapter. Okay, I did so then I wrote back don't get any answers. Maybe that's just his way of getting me to read his stuff and watch his videos, but maybe someday I don't know but I have invested the time.

Anyways, there were there were these responses now this response That I responded to was not Vitriolic but because it wasn't vitriolic unlike so many of the others That made it useful, but also I think somewhat dangerous in this sense.

If you read my response and I posted it as an entire thing. It's about five pages long actually on Facebook I Analyzed the thread presuppositionally that doesn't mean that I have Candle lit in front of a portrait of Van Til.

I've emphasized on this program Literally for decades and there are some of you Who either were you may not have been listening back then but now that you've gotten hooked in you've gone back Into the archives there are certain and those people will testify.

Yeah, you have been consistent in emphasizing this for years. That you must listen to arguments and identify the underlying presuppositions. We live in a day where we don't teach Logic. I I was a seminary graduate before I took a class in logic.

Thankfully one of my fellow elders now, he's one of my fellow elders Jim Callahan taught logic at Phoenix College for years. And so I took logic with him and That was extremely valuable obviously, it wasn't the first time I was encountering a lot of those concepts.

But we just don't we just don't teach people to think rigorously and to examine Argumentation rigorously. In fact, there's a mindset amongst many people that amongst Christians if you rigorously analyze a sermon For example that you're being unspiritual and you're being unkind to the individual delivering the sermon.

I Find that incredibly dangerous now if you're so immature as a Christian that you cannot Engage the critical thinking side of your mind without also engaging the Emotional attack dog nastiness side of your mind.

Well, okay. But if you are an adult you should be able to control the emotional aspects of Of your thinking and be able to Presuppositionally analyze what's being said if we don't do that, we will always be controlled by other people and That's the greatest danger that I see in the younger generation.

Looking at the educational methodologies being used in the public education sector is it is purposefully creating a People who can be manipulated and controlled by others. That's what's creating that's where we are and That's why the older generation older generations are so out of step with the younger generations is we weren't raised that way and So we listen to a politician.

I can listen to a politician and go I appreciate that that and that but that that are you? Kidding me and those the Fundamental issues. These are the foundational things. These are leather things and so I can prioritize those things Millennials Generation Z.

What's prioritized? What's foundational? What's fundamental? It's all about emotion and feeling and me and all the rest that stuff and and that's why we are we and it's all Purposeful folks. It's all Purposeful it didn't just happen overnight.

You don't hijack the entire educational system without having a goal and an aim in so doing but Anyway, how'd I get on to that sermon? I apologize. Um, so I I wrote a lengthy tweet thread in response where I Point out the presuppositional foundations of what is being said the assumptions That are unspoken but are necessarily there or or the statements don't make any sense and So that's that's on my Facebook page and you can find the lengthy tread tread thread on on Twitter.

This is just the beginning. There are people that I'm so tired of this. Yeah, I get it. And that's exactly how Progress or regress is being made culturally is the fact that The other side recognizes that eventually you just get tired about because this isn't this isn't what I wake up thinking about.

But it is for certain people and they will come at it every single day and seek to accomplish their ends. When we get tired and abandon the the defenses There are clearly Things that may be coming out over the next couple of weeks that are going to Result in conversation and discussion and As that happens my my true desire is That we would not see the kind of knee-jerk reactions that we're seeing right now That we would not see Either side just simply condemning everybody on the other side to the flames of perdition.

There is nothing wrong in hearing what someone has to say as long as you hear accurately and As long as you test everything By the Word of God and by a consistent hermeneutical approach I'll mention quickly last night I Listened to think it was last night.

I got up very early this morning. I listened to cross-politic and They had Jonathan Merritt on. I Would have used the mute button a few times. Because he just start talking and just And it was plain that's what he had chosen to do that was that was what he wanted wanted to accomplish was was that.

But That was um, that was something else and I just mentioned last night I was listening to him filibustering and But the main thing was the sources from which he's drawing his argumentation. As a fuller grad, I'm like, oh Reading a lot of Brueggemann these days, huh?

Okay, and I mentioned this last time, you know I talked about Brueggemann when we went over his interview with Andy Stanley came up again on Cross-politic and T right things like that. And by the way, there isn't the the only thing that a lot of these people hold have in common is An interesting view of the authority of Scripture, I mean Nt, right would have the highest view of all the people that he mentioned.

But even he has made reference in the past according to others anyways to that silly American doctrine called inerrancy, so He he is and an Anglican along those lines bit as it may it was Educational listen to and troubling at the same time.

You need to understand Jonathan Merritt is an advocate for a particular Brand of I can't call it evangelicalism Whatever you want to call it it is he is an advocate for a position. He's not just a Journalist he is advocating for a position and and I think needs to be seen as As an advocate along those lines, okay.

Let me that's not the one that I wanted And let me maximize that I think this is close to where we were I would like to get back for a little while anyways to Responding a bit to the three Mormons. I have not seen any Replies from the young people.

It looks like They've been at this for a while and so maybe they have a production schedule or Schools probably just starting for a number of them I'm not trying to say they're running and hiding or something or along those lines.

I even suggesting it, but you know, maybe that's why There hasn't been any response at least to me. I I would. Maybe there has been to Apologia and they haven't told me that or something like that yet.

I don't know. But I'm hoping that there will be some interaction I have Promised to send them Copies of my books on the subject if they would like to because as we have documented on the last program They they do not understand some of the issues that they are rather confidently addressing and we saw for example the misrepresentation of the Doctrine of the Trinity Three beings that are one being it's not we believe and that's such a basic thing that You Know it would be good if if they would take the time to increase their knowledge of these things.

That's always a positive thing. So we were looking at a video where three Mormons were talking about can men become gods and so I wanted to pick up with some of the comments there and We will press on let's hopefully this will work as we didn't really test this out.

But.

We'll find out don't worry about being a god because we need to be worrying about is the present. Am I in a state where if God were to meet me now what I feel comfortable? Yes. Yeah, you know. And if I don't feel comfortable that means I'm not progressing to be like God.

Mm-hmm. I think that's like what's so important and why we're here is to progress, right?

We're always progressing and we're learning to be. Remember how many times the Apostles spoke of progression. Never. It's it. Again I read from the Celestial marriage manual. You are you were never created.

You're not a created being. You cannot be destroyed in Mormonism. God men and angels are all the same species of being and. So there is such a foundational Fundamental at the heart difference between Christianity and Mormonism.

That and I'll say this for the three Mormons. That's why I've said many times before Islam is considerably closer to biblical Christianity than Mormonism is because Islam is monotheistic there at least you have a self-existing deity who has created all things in Mormonism.

You have a literal literally unlimited number of deities and. The deity of this world was once a man lived on another planet and the deity he worshipped was once a man lived on another Planet and your mind is wearied with the generations going back and back and back.

To quote from I think that was Orson Pratt anyway so. Such a foundational fundamental thing that so you you hear this and you hear these young people using terminology. That we automatically attempt to to define it from our lexicon.

But the lexicon is completely different it has a completely different meaning to it and. That is what normally? disrupts conversations. With Mormons is you you think you're communicating and all of a sudden it seems like they took a left or you took a left or?

Something when the reality is you hadn't been communicating all along. Because of the the language barrier.

Like you know our our father in heaven and to learn Responsibilities like the power of procreation is like a small taste of like the power of creation, right?

Yeah, the power of procreation the ability to bring little children into the world remember what makes God God and Mormonism the power of the priesthood and the power of procreation. And you go. What.

How the priesthood power the power create procreation that's what makes that's ultimate exaltation. Everybody who's not in the highest level of celestial kingdom in Mormonism is damned damned in the sense of damned up in their progression to that highest level and so what makes the people in the highest level of exaltation different than everybody else is The power of priesthood the power procreation.

That's what makes God God instead of just an angel. You just go. Yeah, that's I'm telling you. It is so far removed from Christianity that it's it's stunning. I mean I can say with absolute confidence Nobody except maybe origin in the early church Would have done anything other than gone away from me heretic if they had ever encountered anything That looked like Mormonism and I say origin because you know origin was just a little weird.

Here to learn to control that power and to control like the gift that we've been given, you know, even Jesus Christ himself.

He says be perfect even as the Father in heaven is perfect. And then when Jesus Christ is resurrected, he says be perfect even as I am perfect.

So this idea I think that one actually the second one comes to the book of Mormon, but in in any case In the Sermon on the Mount he does say that and that is in the context of Completeness of what of who you are.

So God is perfect complete God. We are called to be his creatures. That does not mean that we are called to be him and again presupposition being in their mind. Well, God himself is of the same species.

He was once a man like us and.

The reality is that he says that's not true. Action isn't just spirituality. He's like just overcoming sin. It's the idea of it's a being it's a state of being. Mm-hmm. You know, I think a modern-day idea of heaven is.

Okay now at this point I I cannot help but remember Conversation on The sidewalk outside of the Easter pageant and It was down toward The west side Of what did we call that was that corner? Two or three or four?

I've lost track of which one it was but it was the one down near the stage where people would come in down down that side, so maybe corner four and I Was talking with a Mormon missionary and I don't know why given At least 5 ,000 such conversations.