Buffer Zones in the U.S?

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Konnichiwa Tomodachi's That's uh, hello good afternoon friends and Japanese for those of you that have no idea why so that because I just was in Japan for two weeks and Still I'm not sure what day and time it is here.

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It's Thursday, right? Yeah, okay Thursday at 2 20 Thursday 2 and I just know that cuz my computer tells okay

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And I wasn't in Japan, but you weren't pregnant you are Yeah, joy was like I don't know how this is gonna go to as well

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I don't know what day and time it is. So this should be interesting. Welcome everyone Yes, I was on my sabbatical for two weeks in Japan, Japan It was awesome, and I'm kind of half there still so please forgive me if I say something that doesn't make sense

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So it's been a while since we've had the whole crew together. I was just thinking about that I know. Well, you are on your sabbatical, but it just seems like a lot of travel

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Yeah, well before that way Jeff was gone two weeks before that and then I was gone. Yeah, it's been gone

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It's gone again today. Yep. So hopefully tomorrow we'll have it. We'll have the crew back

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It's been quite some time. Mm -hmm So what's new with you anything?

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No, not really. Just just incubating. Yeah sleeping a lot right on trying not to sleep

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Being a mother just varying stages of either being asleep or trying not to fall asleep at work

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I understand that actually only for different reasons It's like yesterday Anybody that's ever had jet lag, especially like this bad real jet lag.

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Like, yeah, you know Like I the first couple days back I was feeling pretty good and then yesterday

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I was feeling pretty good and then like around one o 'clock I was like She didn't close my eyes for a few minutes

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Two hours later, I woke actually my daughter woke me up and I was like, oh my gosh, what just happened? So, yeah, it just comes in waves and and it's weird.

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But anyway is the time difference 16 hours, okay Yeah, that's a good again.

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It's a day ahead 16 hours ahead. So it's always weird anywho

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Well today I'm excited. Actually, this is kind of popped up the last couple days

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And so I'm gonna bring our guests on here in a minute, but basically in Charleston, West, Virginia Just yesterday.

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They passed a city ordinance Which as far as I know and can tell I've asked around.

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This is the this is the first buffer Zone laws they pass in the states, which of course are unconstitutional

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But I'll go ahead and introduce our guests. This is The activist Derek Evans or if you go to his

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Facebook page is Derek Evans the activist So Derek welcome to the show my man Thanks for having me guys really appreciate it.

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Absolutely so Hold on a second. I just realized that there's no oh, it's cuz

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I didn't play it. Nevermind forget. I said that Sorry, I told you it's gonna be a fun one show

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Derek go ahead and tell us who you are and What's going on there in West Virginia?

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Yeah, so I'm Derek Evans from Southern, West, Virginia, and we've been standing outside of our abortion clinic

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We only have one abortion clinic in the state of West, Virginia and we've been standing outside of it since January They do abortions on Wednesdays and Thursdays, and we have a group who are there every single

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Wednesday and Thursday and You know, I guess you kind of touched on a little bit. They just passed.

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Well, they had the second reading For an ordinance that will prevent us from doing that the third reading is on Monday Which will be the final reading and the final vote gotcha.

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So it hasn't actually passed yet Correct, but we fully expect that it's going to pass.

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Okay, so Explain then what this ordinance entails and what that looks like what how that will affect you guys

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Well, actually it's so so the but it's a really weird and confusing law because it's not even a true necessarily buffer

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Okay, so there's a hundred foot buffer area within that 100 foot you cannot go up within eight foot of another person and Try to hand them literature or talk to them about you know,

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God or not having abortions You can't count or you can't approach anyone or even be walking in their direction within that hundred foot

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And do those things so you can get within 100 feet of the building You just can't get within eight feet of an individual within that hundred feet

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Correct. And and the way this clinic specifically is set up is they have a big stance and a tarp around the parking lot

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And it's very limited So they don't park across the street or anything like that these these women pull straight up onto the door about 30 yards from the entrance on the sidewalk and We only have about five to ten seconds to maybe try to To talk to them and we stand right beside the entrance and the way we understand the law or the ordinance is

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We will not be able to stand beside the entrance because we'll be within a foot of cars that are pulling in We don't know yet.

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Oh, gotcha. So limits you guys to Basically talking to them

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Calling out to them for those five to ten seconds, basically If they absolutely if they choose like if they choose to come talk to you, how does the buffer zone work then?

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As far as we know if they choose to come, you know speak with us and we are allowed to speak with them

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But we're not a hundred percent sure if we're even allowed to ask them to come, you know It's because we don't we don't we're not sure and they're not for sure either and that's the crazy part is well,

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I spoke to the city attorney and the chief of police and we got Conflicting Answers, so we're not 100 % sure and this is all for one

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Clinic. Yeah, there's only one left in West Virginia. You said so they're basically. Yep.

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This is all just for one place Absolutely, and the pro -law movement is really picking up steam here in West Virginia we passed on the last election we passed what's called amendment one and That means that we changed our u .s

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Constitution or our state constitution to specifically state that no one has a right to an abortion anymore and no longer

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Does our tax dollars cover abortions in terms like Medicaid and things like that prior to that passing?

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We were one I think 17 states that did pay for those. Well, praise God for that Quickly before again,

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I'm not gonna get us off subject too much here, but I just noticed in the comics the comic comic I can't talk comment

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Section That someone said this could be about politics. I'm leaving. I can't handle the more politics.

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It's like listen Politics is nothing more than legislated morality. So this is morality.

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We're talking about and how it affects Us every day of our lives and how it affects our pre -war neighbors

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Well, I'm certainly having Derek on wouldn't make a lot of sense if we weren't going to talk about this, right?

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Right, exactly Okay, so well that that helps kind of clarify

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I think so so thank you for that that's It's just crazy. So you expect this to pass on Monday.

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So then I Was talking to someone else as well Terrence Williams and he was saying that I believe there's a $500 fine or possible jail time if if they

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Arrest you for that. Is that correct? Yes Actually, what's crazy?

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It's the same as battery in the city of Charleston So you can face up to 30 days in jail or a $500 fine or burn?

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unbelievable So yeah, you're okay. Um, so you're standing on public property

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And if you go within eight feet of a person or their car I guess Then you've effectively like done violence to them

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That is the way Interesting well in that and then that brings us to a something else

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I want to ask you about you've actually been assaulted right or at least been spit on by the the death squirts the pro boards

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So tell us tell our audience a little bit of some of the stuff You've gone through in trying to save the lives of these these pre -war neighbors

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Well They think you know, you guys probably deal with this as well they call the police on us several times per day every single

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Wednesday and Thursday and That that is why we started filming and live -streaming was for our own protection because we'll you know the clinic called and said that we had stormed their lobby and refused to leave and The police showed up ready to arrest us and we'd never once been even on their property even in their parking lot

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The police officers reviewed the footage their security footage about 45 minutes and came out apologized to us and we started live -streaming and for our own protection and They have taken shirts with my picture

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But my face on a t -shirt with a hashtag abortion daddy and actually held statewide fundraisers bowling teams and things of that nature under the terms

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Derek Evans funds abortion and raised money and And then yes,

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I was spit on and then also a lady we put a big we have a cross that someone from our group made and we hope we set it up beside the entrance and Since I think 60 million babies aborted or something like that, you know,

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Proverbs 31 8 to get for those who can't see themselves and This clinic worker came out and took her across and threw it in the middle of the road

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We picked it up and put it back and she did it again So actually called the cops the second time but but nothing nothing happened.

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Wow Unbelievable and you actually today you yeah, right before you came on here

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You you had a meeting with was it the president of Marshall University? Is that one? It would yes

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There was the chief of staff for the president and and the people who handle those things The vast president of research at Marshall University is one of the people who's been wearing around the t -shirt with my picture on it

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Wow, and you know hashtag abortion daddy and he goes up there and volunteers as an escort to A desk or to walk these women in there and all of that I still wasn't really gonna push that issue, you know as far as as Marshall University goes

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But we have a lady from our area. It's Renee Mathis who started a group sidewalk advocates for life and they have training classes for this and they've had to cancel their training classes because The vice president of research for Marshall University who we know is pro -choice pro -murder continues to Sign up for this class and so they have to cancel it he's basically harassing them and that is why

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I took it to the President trying to get something done about that and I don't think they're going to do anything

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So as Marshall is it there in Charleston? No, Marshall is actually in Huntington, West Virginia, but it's the closest major university gotcha

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WVU's on the other end of the state. Gotcha. How far away is that exactly these? It's less than an hour.

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I'll say 45 50 minutes between the abortion clinic and Marshall University Do you think the is this an actual

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Planned Parenthood or is this just a standalone? Murder mill. This is a standalone. This is a standalone.

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Are they Do you think that Marshall is? Sending them a lot of women a

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Lot of oh, yeah, we've been wondering that we didn't notice that connection before he started showing up there we didn't know who he was at first and After we'll be in there a few weeks and wearing my shirt and tautness and then he came up one day and introduced himself

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And that's how he found out. He was actually searched his name. Gotcha I was just cuz I were are the clinic that we go to the most is just Right to five minutes away from Arizona State and I know they get a lot of well, yeah as sad as it sounds

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Yeah, the University of Planned Parenthood Yeah, no, it's the one that they send the college students.

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Yeah, exactly Well, I'll tell you man I if this is an encouragement at all to you even it even if this passes which we'll talk some more about like keep fighting and Honestly, even within those buffer zone laws if they pass or the pastor you're still considerably close

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To the Planned Parenthood entrance than we are here. So we're we're a good

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I think we'll be say 200 feet I think away or something and yeah, we have to use loudspeakers.

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And did you say there's a well, there's a fence around Is it like yeah?

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Yeah, they used to like a little tiny wall that went around the parking lot I mean like three foot walk tall and what we would do is okay, you know

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Obviously can't go on the property We would go over and hold signs as people pull into the parking lot against that wall you know, so we could actually speak to these women and families much closer and We had the as soon as the first woman walked out of that clinic and chose life the very next week

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They started working on this big 10 -foot fence with tarps all around it and all these things to prevent that.

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Yeah Well in a way, I mean Praise God like if this ordinance even as horrible as it is

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It just proves that there's some fear There we're being the other side.

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Yeah, there's the I mean the fact that they're building a wall that we've had We've had a

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Planned Parenthoods change the day that they do abortions on just to try to yeah keep us from You know, yes, there's enough.

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There's something happening. That is, you know positive and they're obviously

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Trying to keep that from happening So who is who is pushing this is it is it the abortion mill that's pushing this city ordinance?

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Or is it somebody actually on the City Council? It's definitely the abortion mill and that was very obvious They were all there

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Second reading last night and stood up and cheered and applaud when it when it passed and I think it passed six to one

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There's only one person who voted against it And so yeah, they're definitely the ones that are pushing this and kind of you know

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What she was saying just a second ago is yeah, we definitely have been hitting them hurting their business when we first started in January they were doing on average 15 per day two days a week.

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So the average about 30 a week and They were down in single digits both days now for the month of May Their abortions are down sixty seven and a half percent since the time we started in January That's amazing, oh

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Shoot I just lost what I was gonna ask you. Sorry. You have anything you want to ask him while I'm trying to well I guess my memory

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I guess what we maybe something that we can kind of I'll just talk about Luke you mentioned it being the ordinance being

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Unconstitutional. Yes, so maybe for people who are listening who don't understand what we mean by that Maybe we can just okay or Derek if you want to kind of explain why

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It's unconstitutional to keep someone from Doing what you guys are doing right on public

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Right. Yes, obviously this violates our constitutional rights to the freedom of speech

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So yeah, Derek tell us specifically how you think this ordinance would affect that Well, I mean

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I I think you know I like you said we have the freedom of speech and anything that's going to limit that or hinder that is a is an attack on the

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First Amendment and This is going to definitely limit us in terms of reaching out not all not only to the women who go there

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This clinic is the is in a not a good area of town Okay, just last week.

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There was a young man who overdosed. Yeah in the alleyway right there Yeah, and our group.

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Yeah. Yeah, I Was I was gonna say, you know, our group was able to go back there and and say and call 911 and be with this guy yeah, and then people come by all the time and we minister to them and give them water and you know snacks and stuff, you

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Know the way to help, you know break the ice with them and we won't be able to do those things anymore either Just somebody walking by on the sidewalk

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Wow Wow Yeah, so so that It reminds me

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I was gonna ask you so are you guys able to Go to the City Council meetings and speak to them.

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They allow that or I don't know because I don't know if you've seen Here what we've been doing here in Phoenix You know,

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I think it's twice a month we're able to go and they actually have like citizen comment times where we can talk about anything we want that's not on the not on the

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Docket of stuff we're talking about that day So, are you guys able to go to the City Council and speak at all obviously they'd let the supporters go

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Yeah, so we were not allowed to speak on Last night because it was just like a rules meeting and second and the second reading but on Monday We are able to sign up, you know early just like you do in other areas and and actually

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I think we get two minutes To speak we're all going to do that Even though I mean we've pretty much already told ourselves that this is going to pass

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We were already seeking legal counsel and just preparing for that Yeah, but we are still speak and voice our concerns and our opinions.

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Yeah, are you able to do that regularly? Not just in regards to this issue, but are you able to regularly go to the

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City Council meetings and speak For the city of Charleston. I'm not 100 % sure actually myself and a lot of people from this from our group

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We live an hour and a half away. We drive an hour and a half one way go to the clinic. Gotcha So yeah,

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I'm not 100 % sure in that regard. Gotcha. Why man? I would I would totally encourage you guys to look into that.

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I know it's like I said, we've been doing that here since December And it's it's making it's making some noise and it's creating some some righteous controversy

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And and we're not like I said We're not even we just go and we just go to them and caught and ask them to make Phoenix a sanctuary city

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And just calm to repentance the City Council and and it's it's it's making some noise

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So if you guys are able to do that, I would definitely I would definitely try to find a way for those that can

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So my next question then is how can those watching and listening? How can they help you?

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How can they participate in this fight? So I'll let you I'll let you answer that and then

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I have some more questions and in regards to that And the biggest thing you can do is pray for us and then that you know

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Pray that we allow God to guide us in this and lead us and then for us to do what he wants us to do in this situation, it's definitely we've definitely been under a lot of attacks on our journey throughout this and we're going to try to get a big group there on Wednesday and If they arrest us, then you know, there's a couple of my group who we are willing to You know make them do that if that's what it takes obviously will be peaceful about it

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But yeah, we're not gonna stand down and so just pray for us that we will You know do the right thing and I guess if you wanted to you could call the mayor's office

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I don't have the that number handy right now and But I don't know if it really make a difference or not to be honest with you

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Are you looking that up? I was just gonna fight see on the original post. I Try to find that information and if we can we'll post it in the

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Description of this for those that maybe are watching later. Yeah, I was gonna say if there's any way we anybody the public can contact

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The City Council the mayor whoever and just you know, call them to repentance and voice

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Voice your opinion on this, you know, let's let's find a way to do that. I guess I mean

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So what we were just in Australia in November You know for an abortion now

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We did a couple conferences and in Australia New Zealand and they had just passed a buffer law buffers own law in this in Queensland, which is like a state basically and They had just like insane.

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Yeah, it was I was trying to I think it's was it 50 meters. I Feel like it was more than I don't know.

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It was it was I'd have to go back and look now It was basically like 300 yards Like 300 yards you couldn't be with that was the buffer zone.

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I mean, it's insane Like you that's like city blocks. You can't even be right Yeah, you couldn't even just be walking around with your friend and tell them to not get an abortion, right?

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so so my I guess my my fear and concern then and this is why this is so important here in the

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US as Because you know if you're watching you may hear those ago It's just you know, some town in West Virginia and that's not gonna affect us.

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No, it will because if this is You know past what just sounds like it is and it's enforced

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You know, there's gonna it's gonna create a snowball effect of other cities in the in the nation that are trying they're gonna try to do the same thing and you know eventually if this was to keep snowballing, you know, they're gonna try to make a

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Federal law as well And so that's why that's why it's so important to squash these things now with it while they're small

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And obviously, I know obviously I I haven't even asked you but now you said you're getting you know legal counsel

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I'm sure you're going to be fighting this And I know I you may not be able to speak about that because it involves legal issues, but Obviously we will we would want

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Anyone listening and watching and anything we can do to help you guys in that fight and fight against this

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Again, just because it's unconstitutional and it's gonna set some sort of precedent that we don't want

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Absolutely, definitely gonna set a dangerous precedent and and that's another fear we have, you know, exactly what you said

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It's snowball everywhere else. And yeah, I can't really get into details. We've had some some some pretty prominent

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Groups reaching out Interested in taking this case and we're definitely gonna fight this in the legal

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Court system and we're willing to take it all the way to the Supreme Court if necessary Our biggest concern is yeah

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We think this is going to pass and then our next biggest concern is a local judge

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Whether they would rule to let them enforce this while it works its way through the court system or whether they would say no

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While it's wearing its way to the court system. Gotcha. And so that's what we don't know as of right now Gotcha, that makes sense

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Well, man, let us know, you know, you can message us whatever later and let us know if there's any way we can help out

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You know, obviously we want to we want to also just make some noise with us and let people know around the nation

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Obviously, this is something you guys have been going through for quite some time now We just it just came in our radar yesterday really

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I think or two days ago So we want to make as much noise as we can and and help you guys out in any way

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We do have we also have We can include it. I guess maybe in the description of the show

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There are quite a few email addresses that you can send Emails to and asking you can basically email the mayor and all the council members asking them to oppose bill number 78 19 on constitutional grounds

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The big the big one I would say the obviously the most obvious one is just mayor's office at City of Charleston Org and then we also

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I just found the Email addresses to what appears to be the council members so we can

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Send those to Isaac. Yes, and then just have them added to the description. Yeah. Thank you. Mm -hmm

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Yeah, so those will be up in the description in here before the show's over We might have to wait till it's over and and we can just flood.

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Yeah, that yes Absolutely, so if you hear this or you're watching this, please flood flood them and and You know

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Derek getting to talk to you. I know that You would agree that the way this ends is through the gospel, right?

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So like We have to we're not just we're not just asking these council members to You know reconsider, you know their vote.

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We're calling them to repentance, right? We're we're calling them the repentance and faith in Christ You know, it's a constitutional issue, but that's not really great.

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That's not why you guys are standing out there You're not just exercising your constitutional right to free speech for whatever

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Right reason right exactly because it starts and ends with the gospel, right? So like that's the only way abortion is gonna end and so so yeah, so if you're able to do that, like call them to repentance, you know, and You know, you don't know you don't know how

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How God's gonna work and you know, and so we want we want the salvation of the council members as well and We want obviously our pre -born neighbors to not be murdered but you know

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We also want the gospel to go forth and and those that are there that are supporting this we want them to know

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Christ and So, yeah, Derek, did you have anything you want to say along those lines? I Yeah, I absolutely agree with you 100 % and you know

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If we can get them to you know, come to repentance and and that would change them and maybe we'll have to worry about this

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In the future, you know what I mean? and and then I know the other thing is you gotta get the local churches involved and That's something we have struggled with.

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I'm sure you guys know what that's like as well but I will say that God can take bad things and bad situations or situations we consider as bad and use it for his glory and Them passing this ordinance or getting ready to pass this ordinance has really

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Stoked the flames in the local Christian community in the local churches, and there's more and more people who are now

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I believe get getting ready to get off the church pews and and and get out there and start getting to work That's a great thing.

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Praise God. What are so you had mentioned forgive me I don't remember you said what are some of the groups that are there that you're working with locally?

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Oh Well, so we just have a group called West Virginians for Christian values Okay, and that's just we kind of do a little bit of everything in that regard and then

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I'll walk advocates for life Okay, and and then there's another group called their cries are heard it's a local lady who's had abortions in that very clinic years ago and has you know grown and Accepted God and she's awesome.

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And so she does post abortive care for these women and You know their theory is that While these women have multiple abortions and they try to reach them and try to break that soccer right right on praise

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God well if I can Obviously, I'm gonna plug in abortion now right now. That's if you guys are watching this your first time

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You're not familiar with us in abortion now calm. That's our Movement we started about three years ago trying to end abortion in this in this nation.

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We now have 350 pushing 400 churches around the nation literally around the world actually

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That are involved in this movement that are trying to end abortion globally So we're not just here in the u .s.

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We got we now have Canada we have Australia, New Zealand Ireland Working on Scotland like we just it's it's it's it's crazy how

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God's pushing this movement So if you're watching and again if you're not familiar with us please go to an abortion now calm to figure how you

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Sign up to get connected with us and in all of our all the resources and Derek I'm gonna tell this to you too.

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If you if you can help if some of the people you work with that aren't connected with us tell them that Hit us up and we'll try to get connected and help help you guys in any way we can

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We all of our resources that we offer are free when you sign up. So it's signs its tracks

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And it's and so yeah, we want to be able to help connect you guys any way we can there as well Oh, that would be awesome.

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I'd love to do that and I'll definitely pass that message along right on and we'd love to do that I think

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I sent you the links for that yesterday when we were talking. So that con over who's actually in Kauai right now he's director of communications and he'll uh, he fields emails and and Requests all the time.

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So he'll be excited to get some more of those Excellent you have anything else you want to ask No, sir.

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I know sir. I appreciate you guys Having me on here and I hope that everybody as you said sends emails and stuff to the mayor and City Council in the city

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Of Charleston, so we'd really appreciate that. Yeah, we'll have those emails up for people that are watching We'll have those emails up.

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Like I said The gosh I have this all over the place we were also given

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And a phone number in The comment section on YouTube for Mayor Amy Goodwin of Charleston Oh, we're phone up.

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So it's gonna be three. Oh four three four eight eight thousand and We'll obviously post that in the show notes, but it's three.

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Oh four three four eight eight thousand and then they also had they the main email is

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Mayor's office at Charleston dot org and The city will have them.

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I think you said city of Charles. Is it city? Oh, yeah, it is Sorry mayor's office at city of Charleston org and then we're gonna have some specific emails for you in the show notes to Just places council members that you can email things like that that that brings up a good question

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Derek. Who is the one? Council member that voted against us so we can support them. Oh, yeah

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Courtney Persinger Say that again. His name. His name is Courtney Persinger.

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Okay. Yep. I see his email right on show. Don't don't worry Don't blast him with repentance blessing with encouragement.

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So we want to support him and encourage him Yeah, good think

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I wouldn't want him getting a lot of angry Do you actually know him personally have you talked to him or No, I thought the first time

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I've ever met him and but he was the lone wolf who stood strong and then voted no

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Well, yeah, I mean once you see this list of emails It takes it would take some courage to for one guy to stand up Because this is quite a few people on this council city council so for you to you know, just be like no not changing it that's

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Hey, Derek. I also heard I think maybe Terrence told me the last night when they the second after the second reading whatever there was a bunch of Christians in the in the

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Council chambers or whatever they were praying and singing and they and they had to please escort him on.

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Is that correct? No, the police didn't escort us out that did happen everybody was singing and worshipping in the the lobby area and They were they were closing down for the not and so we all left and went to the abortion clinic to To have church there basically where I prayed and worshipped there

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So, but no, they didn't they didn't escort us out police laws or anything. They were just closing up and okay, go to leave

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I Got you right on well, thanks again, brother and please please keep us up to date

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And you can thank Bobby for bringing this to our attention And yeah, let's just keep figuring how we can help you guys and support you guys any way we can

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Absolutely appreciate Bobby Williamson appreciate you guys have me on here and god bless you guys man. Thank you guys. Same to you, brother

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Thank you. Thank you All right, well Christians here's an opportunity for you to fight

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You know, it's The this they're just thinking of Netflix In case you guys have missed that Netflix just announced that they are gonna be

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They're joining with the ACLU to fight the new abortion laws in Alabama and so I do you know,

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I've been my my Facebook feed has been full of Christians with their Cancellation notices of Netflix and you know, that's just another good opportunity for Christians to to actually stand up for truth and and stand up for what's right and You know, it's easy and it it it's really not it's really not a big sacrifice, you know, it's like, okay

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Well, I'm not gonna have Netflix anymore. It's like, you know, that's not hard to do and so this is another opportunity where you can just take a few minutes and email some people or call and leave a message and and It's an opportunity to fight against Unrighteous tyranny, you know for the sake of the gospel in the kingdom and and so please

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Please do so. Yeah. I mean effectively what they've said is well what they've decided is that It's not violence

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Against a baby for you to rip its limbs off right and kill it

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Intentionally, but it is violence for you to attempt to be with an eight feet of someone, right?

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To hand them an informational Packet that would give them resources and ways to help

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That's actually considered violence if this passes according to the ordinance, right?

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Exactly. So so speaking of Things that don't make sense

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I'm gonna transition us like Bruce Jenner Into the next next subject.

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That's my line So I had this article it's on the Daily Wire pops up yesterday

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Ruth Bader Ginsburg one of our favorite pro -choice Knuckleheads and oh,

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I laughed so hard. I said the joy and her response was She's just Yeah, so our lights is like I know it's flashing and sorry about that if it's a looks like we're in a lightning storm

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No, what's going on? I feel like they probably oh, maybe they can I don't know for sure Isaac fired.

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Just kidding So basically what happened and to be honest,

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I am still not entirely sure What's happened in Alabama that all happened while it's gone, and I'm still trying to get caught up on stuff

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I just know there was a lot of those past. There's a lot of there's a lot. Yeah, there's some happening, Missouri, too it's like there was a

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It's been like this weird domino effect a bunch of states have suddenly

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You know been changing yeah, I mean even we have even Democrats talking about signing

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This like similar really legislate. Yeah, it's very interesting Yeah, well, and it seems

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I need to get more I need to get more caught up in exactly what happened It just seemed like it happened in so many states at all at once that I'm like, okay, wait a minute

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I need to take some time to actually look through did you everything did you see I was gonna send you and I forgot There's an uh, it was a video that I think it was

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Planned Parenthood action or something posted yesterday Desia shared it and it's it's

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Planned Parenthood basically Talking about how they're losing and it was like all these states are like listen all these states that have passed all these

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You know, they're calling them extreme abortion laws and stuff. Yeah Well the way Life they spin it as like women's rights are losing.

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Yeah, so there has to be a You know a spin right sort of marketing, right exactly work on that So I think

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I'm trying to remember how this article came basically. Oh, that was a law in, Indiana So I'll just read it real quick on Tuesday The Supreme Court ruled seven to two in favor of an

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Indiana abortion law requiring medical facilities to provide dignified Burials or cremation the children aborted at their establishment.

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So they're so Sorry, I'm I'm I'm laughing but it's not funny.

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It's like Indiana It's like yeah, we passed this law that you have to provide a proper burial for these aborted children

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But they still are allowing the children. Yeah, Mike Pence also had he tweeted about it and talked about because he was a governor

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In Indiana, he talked about being like basically proud just you know that That they signed a law that requires aborted babies to be treated with dignity and respect.

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Yeah to which Well, and then he he also said he ended his tweet by saying today's decision by the

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Supreme Court was a victory for life It is I mean, he's he's right. It is

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I guess it's obviously an incremental victory, but it is. Yeah Yeah, I just I don't know.

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I think that that's pretty telling of It was like getting worse, yeah, we're we're starting to have seizures on strobe.

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Yeah, we're like But yeah, it will and it just kind of shows you

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It's not the kind of victory like, you know, they're there I'm I am certainly glad that Well, I don't really know the proper word to use but it's not the type of victory that We'd like to see or that we're praying for right

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So in a way, it is sad that this is considered a victory and yet you have a lot of people that Don't think it would be right to just outlaw it overall, right?

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Right. They've considered this a victory versus when they have the ability to just say no, it's wrong.

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No matter what of course, right, of course that body should be treated with dignity and respect because it's

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It's the body of a human yeah, exactly So I guess this went to the Supreme Court then they ruled on it

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And so then it continues to say though conservative justice Clarence Thomas concurred with the court's opinion

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He argued that his colleagues made a mistake by choosing to forego ruling on whether or not,

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Indiana could ban abortions for sex selective or eugenic purposes It was his use of the word mother and his dissent that his fellow colleague

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Justice Ginsburg Ginsburg took most issue with and so Here here's the quote from her

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Justice Ginsburg took issue and this is quoting her. It says a woman who exercises her constitutionally protected right to terminate a pregnancy is

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Not a mother So she's not a mother

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But if she had the baby should be about well, or if she wanted to not have an abortion Right exactly and I know

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I'm a mother yeah Because you want but if I didn't want my baby, I wouldn't be a mother. Yeah, exactly despite The definition of mother that we've accepted.

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Yeah for all time, right now it is a I Mean, nobody should really be surprised because now all words are defined by my personal experience and how

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I feel about them So you're not a mom if you don't want to be a mom

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Regardless of whether you meet the criteria for being a mom, which is having a child, right?

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Exactly Yeah, and that's I mean that's one thing we all we say at the abortion mill is just because you know

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If you you go and you murder your child, you're still a mother. You're just the mother of a dead child, right? And so but I loved your response.

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That's what I want to talk about when I when we were talking about this What it was that you said? That she would probably also say

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I mean And I guess I can't I'm not gonna put words into Ruth Ginsburg's mouth, but I would say that Generally the group that would say she's not a mother if she doesn't want her baby if she's an abortive minded mom woman then she's not a mom would also say that you could be a

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Mother and not have a uterus or be a woman and not have a uterus right and and it's sort of along the same lines of just defining

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Even just defining words and their meaning right by your own personal preference and experience

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We there's there's not been a time when it's been acceptable to just throw out science kind of when you want to right

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You don't you you just don't get to decide that someone who is biologically a mother

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Isn't one I mean you can

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Obviously you can you can say that right people will write articles about it and people will tweet about it and you can say it

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You're allowed to say it. But what you're doing is you are you're effectively throwing

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You're just throwing science away you're actually throwing away what we what we know about the world

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In order to protect a Subjective right that you've just it's completely arbitrary exactly.

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There's nothing about it That comes from anything observable There's there's nothing about it.

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That is Certainly constitutional. I don't care what the

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Supreme Court says about a woman's decision to have an abortion, right? It's just it doesn't actually

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I guess my point my point is that it doesn't really it doesn't have any agreement with reality

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Yeah, exactly in any way, right? It has The only thing it agrees with is your personal feelings

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Which means that the definition of a mother is actually just completely up for debate

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Like what about a person who doesn't have any children? Can she be a mother? What if she wants to be?

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Like can she go can she go into the WIC office and apply for government benefits if she's not a mother like how do we

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Determine what a mother is true. It does matter if you're saying she's not a mother then the definition of what a mother is

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Matters and what a mother is is someone who has children Obviously not necessarily in the womb, but you have children who are yours and That that is just that is what a mother is there is no other

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Definition of it. So it's just totally divorced from any sort of reason

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Or Anything just anything rooted in any sort of objective reality

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Yeah, it's completely subjective and and I mean it just goes back to show you

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You know the futility and the Romans one talks about when you've been given over to your sin

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Then things that normally are true. They normally are morally righteous Things that normally agree with science

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You know suddenly are flipped upside down and now the other light is strobing Carmen if you want to go fix that one

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Yeah, I don't know what's happening today You know and so that's just a futility of Sin, right and just it flips things completely upside down 180 so no longer are things that normally are objectively true or true, you know

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Well, it's not it can't even remain consistent right now within its own thing So like you you just can't be consistent.

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You can't vote. You can't fight for women's Rights and then not even be able to define what a woman is, right?

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You can't like you can't like we they they claim that the fight is for reproductive rights.

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What is reproduction? What is it? You guys seem to have this very loose Definition of what reproduction is, right?

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and you're just ignoring that it's a reproductions actually happened and reproductive rights focuses actually on what happens after you've

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Reproduced another person, right? It just doesn't it Yeah, we're not we're not telling you to not reproduce

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We're just telling you not to murder the right the product of your reproduction and the point is is does it's not it doesn't it's

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Cohesive in Reality reality and it doesn't even work in that false reality that you've created

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There's no consistency. It is like a refresh. It is like every time you talk about the topic

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We've just started over with a clean slate and now I can say whatever I want and define anything However, I want because no matter what because life is about me, right?

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I can feel free to define Things in a way even if they are not consistent with one another right exactly and you know,

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I was it's funny I was trying to think of a clever name for her At the beginning of the show and I was coming up empty, but I'm gonna call her

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Darth Vader. Oh There you go Darth Vader. So that's good. I like that. I'm sure she's had a few yeah made about her

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So, yeah, I mean and again, I Know we don't want us. We don't want to say this is what she would say

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But this is what this movement would say, right? So again, it's the Well, she's not a mother, you know, but you would also like joy said you would allow

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Someone without a uterus to call themselves a mother Yeah, you would allow someone that has man parts probably to call themselves a mother if they really wanted to and so it just shows you there's just no

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No objective consistency, yeah a mother is just someone who want whoever wants to be called a mother

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Can I? Can I go to your house tonight and be like, I'm the mother of your kids now

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And just be like, sorry no Cheryl no offense to Cheryl It's just not being a mother is not defined by if you want to be one right or not or if you want your children and as a matter of fact

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You know Once your baby's born if you decide you don't want to be a mother and you leave them in a dumpster

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That's actually very illegal and we will punish you But for some reason we we won't for some reason if you do it three weeks earlier.

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Oh good news You're not actually even a mom. You were never even a mom You hire an assassin to take care of it for you, right?

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But if you hired an assassin after birth years you're considering it's just complete it's completely inconsistent exactly did you see um,

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I Was researching this something came up with Anne Hathaway as well. I don't know. She said something. She's always we have a few um

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Summer and I know there's a few Token female celebrities that are like the face of oh, yeah feminism and Hathaway is one of them.

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She's always saying something She said something. I didn't I don't remember what she said Recently yesterday, I think but it brought me to something she said in the past that Just I remembered

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I want to bring this up. So she you've probably you've probably maybe talked about this on she loaded But she had a shirt that said if you don't want an abortion or if you don't like abortion don't have one

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Yeah, and and I just I laughed. I mean, it's not funny. But when I see that it's you she stole that from the slave owners

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That was their slogan You don't like slavery don't own one, you know And it's like come on people like are you that dense right?

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You don't even realize where you're stealing It's just back to the subjective personal morality exactly like that that shirt works in a world where every single person gets to decide

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Yeah What's right for them? But here's the thing is if every person gets to decide what's right for them

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You don't get to have that shirt because what I want and what is right for me is not wrong

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So stop talking about it, right? Like you don't get to have an opinion on it, right? So even in The world where that t -shirt is consistent.

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It's still radically inconsistent. Yeah, it doesn't work exactly So anyways,

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I think I'm out of stuff. Yeah There's Been a lot going on almost too much for our brains for us specifically to handle it's been so crazy

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It's been so crazy and we're gonna be gone again next week. So yeah, actually Myself and pastor

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Jeff and pastor Zach will be going to Moscow To do some stuff with our good friends

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Toby Sumter and Doug Wilson. So I'll be looking for that. I'm excited, but we will do a show Hopefully before we leave the plan is to do a

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Rebuttal show to the The I'll just say it the straight -up lies that came from Kwaku this week if you guys happen to see that He was very dishonest about a lot of things

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And so we actually were gonna do a show on it this week and then some stuff came up So we're gonna try to do that next week.

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So watch for that And hopefully like I said, we'll have the whole crew back together and we

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I know it's something good old days Well on that note

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Enjoy the mom enjoy the mom not just because I want to be not just because you want to be because you are

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Scientifically and theologically and objectively and by choice All of the above that it even matters

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Well, and also I just want to remind you guys When did he say that the decisions being made he said on Monday Monday?

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Yes. Okay, so Monday from now would be June 3rd So from now until June 3rd, if you are listening to this and you feel so inclined to Contact the

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Charleston, West Virginia Mayor's Office and City Council We have the information below that you need we have email the emails to the

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City Council members and the mayor's office and the phone number for the mayor of Charleston, West Virginia Feel free to email call and then just a reminder that Courtney C Persinger is our one council member that voted against the ordinance, so if you

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Want to send? Yeah, everyone an email make sure that you send

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Courtney some encouragement. Yes, because he Was trying to say no bold.

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Yeah. Yeah stand up for truth and real quickly. I could actually just got a message from Terrence Williams who else

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I've been talking to you. I'll read this quickly. It's just some updates on this on this bill So he said the bill passed out of the regulation and ordinance committee

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So it has to go or undergo multiple readings before passage So on Monday the City Council will hold a public hearing to read the bill that we talked about and will allow public comment on it at that time

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Let's see and then it's he says He's expecting That they'll hold one or two more readings to inform the public and to deliberate and then take a vote from council

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So it's not quite gone going to the full vote yet. Okay, so that that's good though That means we can really flood flood these council members and try to get them to change their mind

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He says the majority of the council and the mayor belong to the Democratic Party and are supportive of the abortion clinic as well as Involving the city and sponsoring and supporting the pride parade coming up as well as a pride night at our local minor -league ballpark

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Amazing how those two go hand -in -hand. He said the city even has a special rainbow colored city logo to support the events

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So I'm trying to see if there's anything else I should mention that's probably good for now So again, please go please go to These links that we're gonna be providing and help support our brothers and sisters there in Charleston And I think

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I think that's a good place to end this episode agreed Arigato gozaimasu

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Everyone goodbye and And goodbye and that's about the extent of my