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This is Chris Arnzen your host of iron sharpens iron radio wishing you all a happy Thursday on this 30th day

of June 2022 and I am thrilled to have back on the program

by popular demand.

Dr. Latane C. Scott.

She is a Mormon convert to Christianity who earned her PhD in biblical studies.

She's a recipient of Pepperdine University's Distinguished Christian Service Award for creative writing.

She's the Dean of the College of Professional and Creative Writing at Trinity Southwest University in Albuquerque, New Mexico.

And an award -winning veteran of the Christian publishing ministry having written over two

dozen books including the Mormon Mirage.

And today we are going to be addressing a former Mormon discusses the unique challenges

of reaching the spiritually homeless who flee from the outreach of Christians after the

Devastation of being misled and harmed by a cult.

We're also going to be introducing Latane's new book Under the banner of the Mormon Code and it's my honor and

privilege to welcome you back to iron sharpens iron radio.

Dr. Latane C. Scott.

Well tell us first of all about the Mormon Mirage since it's

probably your most well -known and I'm assuming most widely read

book especially on the issue of the Mormon religion, which used to be

the religion that you held so dear and loved.

And.

And This is a book that has become a classic really on this subject.

Tell us about the Mormon Mirage.

Well, it's like yeah, 43 years,

which is kind of unusual for any book.

And it's gone to three revisions because

when I first wrote them

to every meeting I ever

at BYU

and a great love for Mormonism and a great love for the Mormon people.

The love for Mormonism

frequencies between what I had been

taught as a faithful Mormon and the history of the Mormon Church Which

is a Bible in many places didn't

match up with Mormon doctrine.

And then I found that Mormon doctrine didn't matter

and wrote the book.

It was these things are still fresh in my experience.

Years later I have the same question that some people have and that is

how is it that someone could?

Believe that so perfectly and not only believe it and love it.

My record.

It's easier for me I guess to feel a great deal of empathy

for great.

Well, if anybody would like to purchase that book, I strongly urge you to go to CV

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this program and if they do not Have it left in stock You

can just ask them to order it and they will order that for you and you can tell them it's the

Mormon Mirage by dr. Latane C Scott published by Zondervan and It's not to be

confused with a book by the same title by Hank Hanegraaff who for some bizarre reason

Insisted on titling his book with the same name after Latane's book had

already been in print for decades.

So that still remains a Bizarre mystery to me why he did that.

But I'd like to say something about Cumberland Valley.

Wow, that's a great plug and I hope that somebody there is listening.

If not, I'll make sure they get a recording of this interview.

Let's see V BBS comm.

Well now let us know.

About this new book, which I believe if I'm not mistaken is a novel

and this novel is titled under the banner of the Mormon code, obviously a

Take off on the series the Hulu series under the banner of

heaven and Please explain.

This book actually I wrote Quite a while back and it was actually written before.

One thing that people Often don't take into account is that

these two characters in the Hulu series detective Jeb

Hyrie Taba are two people that were actually

invented for this.

It felt because they never existed.

These are two people invented for this and my book

Demonstrates what would happen if someone decided they were going to

live out and play out the doctrines of the early Mormon Church and of course and under the banner of

heaven the Lafferty brothers do enact blood atonement.

Which is one of the early doctrines of

the

but there are many other things about Mormonism that people don't don't know and I wanted To demonstrate in a novel

form in in what I hope would be an enjoyable mystery

to explain them sympathetically from the Mormon point of view, but

also to Demonstrate how foreign they are

to and in my the

clues that are left by the Perpetrator of the crimes are written

in the Deseret alphabet, which is an actual Alphabet code that Brigham Young Commission

to have.

I try to do a lot of explaining of early Mormon

people who were faithful Mormons or our faithful moment say that what I've depicted there and.

I did not see the book on your on your website.

Is it Going to be up there for people who want to purchase that book.

It is going to be up there and I'm not sure if Cumberland has access to it.

But I do know it's on Amazon in both ebook and

okay.

Well, I would still urge our listeners to first go to CVB BS comm and as I said If they don't have it,

they can order it and they're very competitive with their prices Most of the time lower

than can be found elsewhere.

Well today even though we've touched on this during our

interviews not long ago we had

We had I believe two interviews if I'm not mistaken on the series under the banner

of heaven Am I right?

Did we do two on that?

No, we just did one.

Oh, okay.

I'm sorry.

Well, I'm sorry.

Okay.

Well, yeah that was on June 2nd we did a program Where you

as an ex -mormon were?

Analyzing the TV series Under the banner of heaven, which I

was riveted to have completed watching it and

Although we touched on the subject of how you had a powerful

reaction to watching it because of the similarities

in How the lead the lead character the detective Jeb?

Was was was responding to his journey of

Discovery into the roots of Mormonism and to Learn of

things that he had not known before involving their gruesomely violent

past and so on their racism and other things and That became more and

more of a burden for him During this broadcast because he in the beginning

you can sense the character Had a deep love

for Mormonism and being a Mormon and It's quite interesting.

It's the I Can't even remember seeing another series or movie

where the lead character is constantly Rebuking the other characters in

the story for using foul language.

And You know you you even though you knew as a Christian that you were watching a a

Series that involved a fictitious character was a Mormon at the same time there were

some things that even a Christian could resonate with some of his behavior and and

Reactions and so on but if you could for the sake of those who didn't

hear Our interview on under the banner of heaven and by the way, I advise everybody listening

After this live interview is over to go to the archive of iron sharpens iron radio .com

type in latane la t a y n e in the search engine and

there'll be a quite a number of interviews that come up and the Most recent at the very top

will be that very interview interview on under the banner of heaven But

For the sake of our listeners who did not hear that interview repeat How

profoundly you were moved watching this this series especially in

regard to? Jeb's discovery of the

falsehood and.

Even the evil that existed and permeated in the Mormon religion

did a very good job of depicting this.

And what happened

was the series takes place a

period of when I'm

Detective who's a faithful Mormon and it's well known in the community.

It's a book alone in his garage with just the dome light

on and it's looking at these documents and he is just sickened by it and.

I.

Know a lot of people make

the word Jesus

Christ, but most people don't have to

repudiate a Theological past in the way that Mormon

to the Mormonism on the

Some of the abuses of so when someone

goes from being a Methodist to a Presbyterian, for instance, there's not this Enormous

sense that you didn't want to know and a

re -representing your leaders re -representing your heritage in the

same sense that your Pirie did and I did in a

Bank warehouse temporary job to help organize the some of the

forms that the bank used in there.

This is

reading called.

Yeah, this

79 when I wanted to do

that same fiscal and.

Let's explore now the main theme that we are

addressing today a lot of Christians when

they are Evangelizing the lost.

Even though every lost person, you know, regardly regardless of their background

whether they are an openly scandalous

scandalously wicked person And in matters of morals and

so on or if they are even a very pious and Religiously dedicated

person in a false religion or cult.

There is something unique about the mission field that includes those that

have been seriously harmed mentally emotionally

spiritually and sometimes even physically by being in a false church or

cult and there is as it were a Homeless

situation for them spiritually.

These in my own experience the this type of people have been the

hardest to reach.

They have been the hardest to even give you a listening ear.

In fact, as I said the last time when I interviewed you on the TV series under the banner

of heaven The Nastiness that I was

receiving from people who were former Mormons

The the vicious remarks that I was having hurled at me was just a

Was just a reminder of how very unique this Group of people

are and in fact, we can't even say that this group of people is monolithic.

You have all different you have all different kinds of stories and backgrounds and

Motivations and presuppositions, but if you could just take up from there.

I.

Don't know how long if at all you were Ready to give up at

all on belief in God or anything like that but there are some who have totally abandoned

any concept of God any concept of religion any concept of faith

that involves anything involving a deity and commitment to

a.

Worship and an obedience to that deity, but if you could just pick

it up

from there.

There's something I

called.

You know, it's like when you have a building in the building you discover that the building is rotten inside and that you

know There's mold and and termites and everything else and it's about to fall down on your head so you get out of it,

but you can't just prop it up and go back and live it and.

So I had to do what actually described and bear

in mind because when this happened to me I was 21 years

old

work that I knew of Gerald and

standards.

They were in Utah and I was here and you know,

we didn't have the email.

We didn't have those sorts of things.

I would never occurred to me to call them up on the phone to talk to them because One of the

things that when you've been totally invested in in a false religion is you begin to doubt your own judgment.

Whether or not you can correctly assess anything you feel.

I I didn't feel the anger and betrayal that you just described

but in that teardown process Chris, I Sat down with myself and thought if

Mormonism is wrong.

What is right?

Because this young man who was Later became my husband

didn't mean that Christianity and

he were emotional and theological teardown.

I did was I had to decide whether or not there was a God and I didn't realize that at the time

Chris, but I was doing exactly what it

18 through certain things that anybody has

access to about God and it's that he is the God with divine powers and

that creation.

But even that she did my own mind

is that true they truly

are Happy

with

it, but

I could see in

the created order

there was this but that doesn't

really tell you very much other than there is a God who created

and the Rebuilding after the

teardown

there was a God and he had created the

Sandia

Mountains.

I was in New Mexico my whole life when I wasn't in Utah.

I mean just the gorgeousness of God's creation.

I had to say and then I made

a another

BAM created

a decision about I

guess whether or not I could trust them

again.

Distance

of

betrayal

from

the sound.

So I decided

that

I was I

read that he would want some sort of communication with him.

I couldn't imagine that

Creativity

and

he

would be

ability to talk and communicate and the ability to to

think about and think you

communicate.

But they can't communicate about their own thinking proper.

Oh, yeah, and

so

if that

were

the case if you were going to create if you were going to communicate with human beings and I

just come out

of it,

you know where the prophet could

receive revelation for the whole church and then it goes down to you know, the the

the twelve apostles in the 70 and others where it trickles

down to

children because her husband

receives

her could be invalidated

By by discovering that it was in case

was actually hurtful.

I could there be an

authoritative source of communication.

That didn't depend on people's emotions and did not depend on individual human beings.

Validate truth and real I decided and I cannot tell you

what had me decide that but I decided To trust the Bible

from then on I was able to build a house In which I could live and which

I could believe that I could have fellowship with God.

Amen.

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I believe we have a first -time questioner with a question.

Amy in Leveland, Texas and sorry Amy if I'm mispronouncing the city in which you live

but Amy says in my limited study. It seems to me that Mormonism

and Islam Have more in common than Mormonism and Christianity.

Is that a fair assessment and can you expound on it?

If so, and she has One other question here.

So let you start with the first one.

Yeah, didn't he call himself the second Muhammad.

I don't remember exactly how he put it, but he did.

Muhammad and I think

also

good and of course, I think an

inescapable similarity is a.

Works -based righteousness even though Mormons

Use the word grace. They really do not believe in it in a biblical concept

Of salvation being free and a free gift from God.

They really believe that they are helping to earn and

merit their their Their state in the eternal life, am I right?

Well, I'm glad in the word salvation.

It's something that's given to all human right which is the ability to

be Trinity in the or the key.

And how it comes on you.

And of course the thing that would make them radically different is.

That Islam is X is monotheistic to the

point where they think wrongly.

The Christians are tritheistic and in fact the worst sin that you can commit

in Islam is the sin of shirk, which is

Giving partners to God and what they mean by that is if you were to say that Jesus Christ is God

incarnate.

You are doing that and that is a worse sin than murder rape.

Anything else you can conceive of doing in an evil fashion.

That is their worst form of abomination is so.

But on the other end of the spectrum you have Mormons having an infinite number of gods.

They would perhaps be more Correctly defined as hen Otheists because they

worship one God on this planet.

But they believe in an infinite number of other gods.

In fact, they will be gods if they are faithful Mormons, right?

And her Amy's second question when coming out of the LDS.

Where were you?

Ever uncertain of God or was it your certainty that led you out

it to be

baptized.

For instance.

It was with a card game and somebody

else had all the winning cards, but that didn't mean I had to like it.

I was relieved to be.

Amen.

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We have Andrew in New York City and Very interesting

question.

How do we keep someone from a cult?

Oh I'm sorry.

I misread that how do we keep someone coming from a cult?

From falling into antinomianism in other words.

And I've met people like this who were not only involved in cults and left

But were even involved in very strict Christian homes, they might have been even

theologically Orthodox homes faithful to the Bible, but the the

homes were overly rigid and restrictive and even

Bordering on Pharisaic and judge judgmental in their control of their children or even

the church's control over the congregants an extreme form of fundamentalism in Christianity and

when they left Some of them have claims to

Retain their belief in Christ, but they think that they can live any way they want they

exaggerate and twist Biblical grace giving it

giving to it a license to sin and Paul himself should

said that if Should we sin that grace may more abound

God forbid.

So Paul has already answered that issue and of course James in

his epistle, but Yeah, you have any counsel the any thoughts on

those that leave a restrictive rigid domineering perhaps

dictatorial cult and then they they want to just live any way they choose even if they

Are just still claiming to believe in God.

It tells you all of it may it answers all of the major

Worldview questions, what's the most real thing?

Maybe we can get into that it when someone leaves this

explanation for reality actually.

You don't just dump everything out and start from scratch.

I mean I did on the credit you can do a teardown because you just can't do a

teardown of everything you've ever thought.

So I remember Central

and I was and you

didn't drink.

It was my big Rebellion, which may

sound kind of silly.

But I had actually, you know lived the word of wisdom so strictly that I didn't eat chocolate.

It contained a.

Drinking a dr. Pepper was a big deal, but when people.

It is a great temptation.

They should be suspect

that many of them are biblical.

I mean it is difficult to be a good citizen is difficult to to leave.

Leave a good clean moral life as Mormonism

teaches.

It's not the issue.

It is the right thing to do.

So what do you throw out and what do you keep.

And so many people just once they feel we

can't do

many

stupid

things just because they can do them

and they've been forbidden in the past and.

So I think we can see a parallel there and maybe it might well.

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Give us your first name at least your city and state and your country of residence.

We have an anonymous listener.

The anonymous listener says There are very dear family members

of mine who have abandoned the faith and they seem to refuse

to want to Sit down to discuss the scriptures or attend a Bible study or a

worship service.

Now, I believe there are two extreme errors that often go on in the church.

You have those that only want to show the love of Christ

to the lost by doing good things for them and as it were Be

involved in lifestyle evangelism and on the other extreme you have

those That only want to teach biblical truths.

But in other ways will never give them the time of day.

How do we find a balance in regard to this and do you agree with my assessment?

Speak as

loudly as

any lesson that we would want to teach and of course if we

don't assign.

I always

tell People who are dealing with Mormon, but

sometimes

you have to

just if you don't have

you can say, you know I am so happy as a Christian and I love the Lord Jesus

Christ.

Mormonism would add to the Lord right

now.

Maybe we can't teaching me.

But if you want to and

I say that because when I was a Mormon I believe with all my heart

and that everybody else

might pretend to be that that they had this great gaping lack in Their

lives.

And just to hear if I heard Christians say, you know, I'm so sad

I just love the Bible and it's all I need.

You know Local body is

that would be a great shock to most Mormons

if they heard that coming out of the mouth of people.

They know our Christians.

Now for the person who has left Mormonism or any other cult going back to

the original theme.

I.

Want your opinion on something that I have done with people that I know that have been harmed by false churches and

cults and false religions.

When I say harmed, I don't necessarily mean physically but emotionally mentally spiritually.

They're gun -shy as it were to even consider becoming a

member of a church or even before that even Contemplating the necessity

to repent and place your faith in Christ.

When they have brought up their horror stories being somehow

abused in a church whether it's a cult or even a theologically sound one I Remind

them that the Bible itself warns us about false teachers and

In fact, I tell them sometimes That the fact that this happened to you the fact that you are

under the leadership of a false religion Is in fact further proof that the Bible is true.

Because the Bible warns about this the Bible warns about even people Being false

teachers and preachers who call themselves Christians and use the name of Christ.

And in fact, we have one of the most bone -chilling Verses in the scriptures in Matthew 7

where where some of those who are going to be sent into a Christless

eternity are Telling Jesus on the judgment throne didn't we not

perform?

Many good deeds and miracles in your name and cast out demons in your name.

And he says I never knew you be gone.

You were workers of unrighteousness.

So obviously a Bone -chilling thing that will await many people

Who think that they are right with God and are not?

But Isn't that at least a part

of a good thing to come up in conversation where people are Just

rejecting any concept of God or Christianity or as they usually put it organized religion

Just because they have been burned and hurt and they have to be reminded.

And in fact, I also say this.

So you want to reject Jesus because of Judas?

You you want to return your back and Never even give a listening ear

to Jesus Christ Just because one of his Apostles was a traitor and a false believer.

So what's your thoughts on that?

Well, I never and

I'm

thinking

that

when I

was my

bring

that example.

She said it has it seems to me that it also has within it.

The the information or the passages or whatever that we need most effectively reach

people be true.

Though there's a decades that I have left Mormonism.

Many people just don't want to be taught and some people do not want to be controlled.

They see any religion as a control and they choose not to

be controlled.

That's the anti -nominal immense talking about but if our I think of

our conversation is seasoned with scripture and seasons with so can we

can Say to someone without being threatening to them or without being imposing on them.

There's something wise I learned in scripture state maybe something from one of the Proverbs.

Well, you show your respect for scripture and you show that it has validity that there is truth in these things,

you know said to me that a better

grab a dog by the ears in the middle of a fight than to Interfere in it.

Now, you know, there's so much wisdom in scripture that doesn't have to Necessarily we

think lead them right to Jesus Christ as much as shows.

Respect your method or your

your

tactics that you

were talking

about does

that say about it?

Well Christian is a giant step

forward.

We

tend to kind

of talk about

God and kind of

as an afterthought

we have another anonymous listener.

Who says.

What do you think of the phrase?

Preach the gospel and use words if necessary.

All's I know is I hate that phrase and I've I've heard it attributed to Francis of Assisi

Although I don't know with certainty that he said it but if

if the speaking of the of the actual truths

in the scriptures is like an afterthought or something on a lower Ladder of importance and we could just

do good things as you were mentioning earlier.

Mm -hmm.

None of the Apostles would have been martyred.

None of the disciples would have been martyred over the centuries Jesus Christ other than the orchestration

of God himself For his death and Jesus willing willingly

laying his life down on An earthly since he never would have been crucified if all he did was good things.

But anyway, what's your thoughts on that?

Well, I've never heard that though, oh, of course with

it.

And faith without words Might as well be dead

because nobody knows why you're doing the faithful things you're doing, right?

That's that's why I said you have to bring scripture and God into it or.

And I could give the example.

It's in a car one time and someone was broken down and

we stopped and tired.

We shared, you know our snacks

and things when they drove off.

I thought to myself.

Yeah, they probably think the people in Colorado are really nice people instead of saying I'm doing this in the name of Jesus Christ.

I'm a Christian.

I'm happy to help you because of what he's done for me.

Yeah.

I

missed

that go.

Or to our

state motivated.

We do these things because the Lord Jesus Christ have to say that with our mouth or they can't

probably figure it out especially in the short of this interaction, yes,

and.

Please I don't want anybody to mistake what I said before.

To think that our good deeds and acts of compassion are somehow

Unimportant or very far down the ladder of the

importance of the behavior of a Christian.

I Just wanted to make sure nobody else listening.

Got that because as I said even earlier.

You know, I quoted from James's epistle and that's obviously a

litmus test.

One of the litmus tests of a living or dead faith.

Whether or not you are doing good for your neighbor.

We have Cindy in Findlay, Ohio.

Hello, Chris and dr. Latane C Scott.

Dr. Scott a few years ago during many witnessing encounters With a schoolmate who had

become a Mormon but knowing little of the Mormon religion myself my

go -to verse was James chapter 2 verse 10 for whosoever shall keep the whole law and

Offend in one point.

He is guilty of all.

It's my understanding that the Mormon religion teaches that if one falls into sin that all other previous

sins Returns to him.

I may not understand that correctly.

But my question is how does a Mormon view that verse and Is it beneficial to use that

verse in this situation?

I was taught is like a nail

and you forgiveness is the

removal of the nail that the scar remains

Away complete.

However, I don't know

if that if that verse was effective and

you know, that's great.

Keep anyway, I mean

think about this Chris.

They don't have just the Bible to read they have the Bible and three other script books of scripture and the teachings of the living

prophets and they're in their Semi -annual conferences, so they've got all that information to deal with.

They've got all these different rules to keep and and we know about those rules because of the

questions they have to answer when they go in for a simple interview or Or tithing

settlement or anything else?

There's so many questions about behavior and practice and belief that have to be answered.

That it would be The amount of guilt they already have for not keeping all the rules.

I Would not have been moved by that.

But if it if it worked with her friend who had Her schoolmates would

become a Mormon.

Then one thing I found out I wrote a book called ex -mormons.

Why we left or you'd eight people who'd left the

monitor Tanner the author of Mormonism shadow reality.

And I asked him what was the single thing that was was effective in Getting your

attention.

And so I say that

because you know

anybody's friend at

the end

of time that they had wasted

a strategy.

There's not a thing worked with me may not and may have had absolutely no effect on someone

else.

So if Cindy was able to use that to get the attention of her of her friend I actually go for it.

The Holy Spirit leads us as we read his word and leaves us two scriptures I believe that

can be most effective in individual situation.

Yes, I mean obviously the The verse she quoted James

2 10 It does go to the heart of the few type the

futility of trying to main merit favor with

God through your Constant obedience if you think that you have achieved that or

you are ever going to achieve it.

This is kind of is a bucket of cold water in the face.

I think to that person because you know if they

keep the whole wall the whole law and offend it just on one point they're guilty of

Disobeying all of it.

So I think that there is a good point to be made there.

We have another anonymous listener Who says although I agree with both of you?

that our evangelism can neither be a social gospel that is only involved

in Caring for people's physical needs and it cannot be a religion.

That is only pounding truth Into the heads of the lost at the same

time.

Should we not at times? be patient and Slow in how we

develop our conversations with certain lost people where we gradually

begin to unfold the scriptures to them and First seek to

win their attention By doing good to them.

That's a great question.

In fact, you know who it reminds me of your friend Who I have had on this

program several times Rosaria Butterfield How she was won

to Christ by the grace of God through the love and compassion of a.

Presbyterian pastor and his wife.

I think you're Commenter made a good point that it can't be the social

gospel alone.

It can't be pounding in truth and that for many people this is slow and deliberate.

Experience.

It's what will bring people.

But some people.

Confronted by one single

to reevaluate.

You think about Paul

rotation at Jesus

Christ with him.

To get him to completely reevaluate everything, but some people are open to.

You know that kind of in this I believe the Holy Spirit has to lead us

and and we're told.

You know the Apostles were told in Acts and I think this is true for all of us.

We have to have the confidence that the Holy Spirit will give us the words to speak in the moment that we need them.

If we're you know for true speaking relations

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I guess what you're hearing me say.

And each of these people that that ask the question.

Andrew and Cindy and a couple of anonymous people.

I'm urging you to ship with God guide you

in these things and not speak all for anybody.

Only you know.

Yeah.

Only the the Lord knows the people's hearts.

And what will you know their body language

and other things.

You can.

People have different needs.

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Welcome back.

This is Chris Arnzen if you just tuned us in our guests for the entire program.

Has been and will continue to be.

Dr. Latency Scott author of the Mormon Mirage discussing a former Mormon

discusses the unique challenges of Reaching the spiritually homeless who flee from the outreach of Christians after the

devastation of being misled and harmed by a cult.

If you have a question send it in immediately the Chris Arnzen at gmail .com because we're rapidly running out of time.

We had our J in Westchester County New York who says

I know that it is our duty as Christians as you have said repeatedly To evangelize and preach

the gospel to the lost.

But what do you do when a family friend or loved one? Tells you in no

uncertain terms.

Please stop Evangelizing me, please.

Stop preaching the Bible to me if you want to maintain a close relationship with me.

You're going to respect my wishes and not do that anymore.

Do we obey that request?

Yes, I'm assuming that all the questions that come in every year.

Okay.

Yeah, I agree because obviously.

You know Nothing's even going to be Registering it and it's really viewed as an act of

cruelty or an insult to just bombard them after you've already been told don't do it.

One of the things that obviously makes life more difficult and is perhaps even more of a

hurtful experience Is that I know People

I know parents for instance whose children Abandoned the faith

and they warn the grandparents or their own parents do not

Speak about Christ in the Bible to my children if you ever intend to

Babysit them enjoy time with them alone.

I don't want you ever speaking about Christ in the Bible to them.

I guess That's something that we should obey their wishes too, although it's a very painful thing

and counterintuitive to a Christian's heart and mind, but Would you agree that we're not supposed to

do that either?

Yeah, and I pray Frequently for those I know who are in that horrible

circumstance.

Well Latane. I want to make sure that you right now have Several minutes of uninterrupted time

where you want to summarize what you most want etched in the hearts and minds of our listeners today.

In regard to this subject that we've been discussing. I think it's very important that

when you ask for

the loss of

faith and something as

Sometimes it's just

or anything else, but you can exemplify

Evangelism evangelize

in your life with the Lord.

It's

going

to speak.

They become

Associates that each individual has this book me

to being

told

here as he

said Why would you go

across the

ocean and the same

thing itself is my is mine?

Am I really at peace with God?

Do I really have confidence in this word?

Do I really trust him?

Do I really have and This is a dangerous thing to say that do I really have unconditional faith

because that's the only kind of thing If you really often think we

can't fix others if I teach

classes on how

to help people understand that faith can be mapped.

You can map your faith.

There's a typical how to do that.

The people who have taken my courses and Have

raved about them say their lives have been changed.

I have endorsements from professional counselors that say this is going to revolutionize The way that

I counsel people.

I feel the Holy Spirit moving me

to say that Who doesn't

have

somebody

else?

If you're a person

of little faith, why would you

we have time

for one more

question?

BB in Cumberland County, Pennsylvania wants to know.

Are you available for speaking engagements and conferences for women at various churches and other

organizations?

Teaching is likely but

me.

My email is with pain.

Let's say calm.

Lat a Y and e at Latane calm.

Well Latane as always it has been a joy and a blessing.

I am so thrilled that our friendship has Persevered for decades

even before I had my own radio program.

Yeah, and I just look forward to your every visit to this program as a guest.

I look forward to your next one and hope that there are many more.

I want to thank you for being such an extraordinary guest.

I want to thank everybody who listened today.

Especially those who took the time to write.

I want to let you know that my dear friend pastor Vinny Sawyer

Is going to be my guest tomorrow on iron sharpens iron radio.

Vinny and I go back to the 1990s the early 1990s

When I actually even before I orchestrated a

A program on WMCA radio where I used to work Called the fundamental

Baptist forum, which was featuring quite a number of different fundamentalist Baptist

Speakers some of them who stabbed me in the back As far as what they said

on the air about their differences with me on theology.

But I I have a thick skin, but Vinny never did that.

He's always been a dear friend.

And he is a pastor now in Florida.

He was formerly a well -known Baptist pastor in Flushing

Queens, New York and is currently Pastoring in Florida,

and I hope that I get To pay a visit to that church sometime when traveling my

next time.

I'm traveling through, Florida Victory Baptist Church in port

In Port St. Charlotte, I'm sorry not st. Port Charlotte, Florida.

Victory Baptist Church in Port Charlotte, Florida.

He is going to be addressing biblical marriage tomorrow.

So I hope that you tune in and I want you all to always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is A far

greater Savior than you are a sinner.