June 30, 2022 Show with Dr. Latayne C. Scott on “A Former Mormon Discusses the Unique Challenges of Reaching the Spiritually Homeless”

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Introducing Dr. Latayne C. Scott and Her New Book

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Dr. Latane C. Scott. She is a Mormon convert to Christianity who earned her PhD in biblical studies. She's a recipient of Pepperdine University's Distinguished Christian Service Award for creative writing.

She's the Dean of the College of Professional and Creative Writing at Trinity Southwest University in Albuquerque, New Mexico. And an award-winning veteran of the Christian publishing ministry having written over two dozen books including the Mormon Mirage.

And today we are going to be addressing a former Mormon discusses the unique challenges of reaching the spiritually homeless who flee from the outreach of Christians after the Devastation of being misled and harmed by a cult.

We're also going to be introducing Latane's new book Under the banner of the Mormon Code and it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to iron sharpens iron radio. Dr. Latane C. Scott. Well tell us first of all about the Mormon Mirage since it's probably your most well-known and I'm assuming most widely read book especially on the issue of the Mormon religion, which used to be the religion that you held so dear and loved.

And. And This is a book that has become a classic really on this subject. Tell us about the Mormon Mirage.

Well, it's like yeah, 43 years, which is kind of unusual for any book. And it's gone to three revisions because when I first wrote them to every meeting I ever at BYU and a great love for Mormonism and a great love for the Mormon people.

The love for Mormonism frequencies between what I had been taught as a faithful Mormon and the history of the Mormon Church Which is a Bible in many places didn't match up with Mormon doctrine. And then I found that Mormon doctrine didn't matter and wrote the book.

It was these things are still fresh in my experience. Years later I have the same question that some people have and that is how is it that someone could? Believe that so perfectly and not only believe it and love it.

My record. It's easier for me I guess to feel a great deal of empathy for great.

Well, if anybody would like to purchase that book, I strongly urge you to go to CV BBS comm Cumberland Valley Bible book service CV BBS comm who sponsor this program and if they do not Have it left in stock You can just ask them to order it and they will order that for you and you can tell them it's the Mormon Mirage by dr. Latane C Scott published by Zondervan and It's not to be confused with a book by the same title by Hank Hanegraaff who for some bizarre reason Insisted on titling his book with the same name after Latane's book had already been in print for decades.

So that still remains a Bizarre mystery to me why he did that.

But I'd like to say something about Cumberland Valley.

Wow, that's a great plug and I hope that somebody there is listening. If not, I'll make sure they get a recording of this interview. Let's see V BBS comm. Well now let us know. About this new book, which I believe if I'm not mistaken is a novel and this novel is titled under the banner of the Mormon code, obviously a Take off on the series the Hulu series under the banner of heaven and Please explain.

This book actually I wrote Quite a while back and it was actually written before. One thing that people Often don't take into account is that these two characters in the Hulu series detective Jeb Hyrie Taba are two people that were actually invented for this.

It felt because they never existed. These are two people invented for this and my book Demonstrates what would happen if someone decided they were going to live out and play out the doctrines of the early Mormon Church and of course and under the banner of heaven the Lafferty brothers do enact blood atonement.

Which is one of the early doctrines of the but there are many other things about Mormonism that people don't don't know and I wanted To demonstrate in a novel form in in what I hope would be an enjoyable mystery to explain them sympathetically from the Mormon point of view, but also to Demonstrate how foreign they are to and in my the clues that are left by the Perpetrator of the crimes are written in the Deseret alphabet, which is an actual Alphabet code that Brigham Young Commission to have.

I try to do a lot of explaining of early Mormon people who were faithful Mormons or our faithful moment say that what I've depicted there and.

I did not see the book on your on your website. Is it Going to be up there for people who want to purchase that book.

It is going to be up there and I'm not sure if Cumberland has access to it. But I do know it's on Amazon in both ebook and okay.

Well, I would still urge our listeners to first go to CVB BS comm and as I said If they don't have it, they can order it and they're very competitive with their prices Most of the time lower than can be found elsewhere.

Well today even though we've touched on this during our interviews not long ago we had We had I believe two interviews if I'm not mistaken on the series under the banner of heaven Am I right? Did we do two on that?

No, we just did one. Oh, okay. I'm sorry. Well, I'm sorry. Okay. Well, yeah that was on June 2nd we did a program Where you as an ex-mormon were? Analyzing the TV series Under the banner of heaven, which I was riveted to have completed watching it and Although we touched on the subject of how you had a powerful reaction to watching it because of the similarities in How the lead the lead character the detective Jeb? Was was was responding to his journey of Discovery into the roots of Mormonism and to Learn of things that he had not known before involving their gruesomely violent past and so on their racism and other things and That became more and more of a burden for him During this broadcast because he in the beginning you can sense the character Had a deep love for Mormonism and being a Mormon and It's quite interesting.

It's the I Can't even remember seeing another series or movie where the lead character is constantly Rebuking the other characters in the story for using foul language. And You know you you even though you knew as a Christian that you were watching a a Series that involved a fictitious character was a Mormon at the same time there were some things that even a Christian could resonate with some of his behavior and and Reactions and so on but if you could for the sake of those who didn't hear Our interview on under the banner of heaven and by the way, I advise everybody listening After this live interview is over to go to the archive of iron sharpens iron radio .com type in latane la t a y n e in the search engine and there'll be a quite a number of interviews that come up and the Most recent at the very top will be that very interview interview on under the banner of heaven But For the sake of our listeners who did not hear that interview repeat How profoundly you were moved watching this this series especially in regard to? Jeb's discovery of the falsehood and.

Even the evil that existed and permeated in the Mormon religion did a very good job of depicting this. And what happened was the series takes place a period of when I'm Detective who's a faithful Mormon and it's well known in the community.

It's a book alone in his garage with just the dome light on and it's looking at these documents and he is just sickened by it and.

I.

Know a lot of people make the word Jesus Christ, but most people don't have to repudiate a Theological past in the way that Mormon to the Mormonism on the Some of the abuses of so when someone goes from being a Methodist to a Presbyterian, for instance, there's not this Enormous sense that you didn't want to know and a re-representing your leaders re-representing your heritage in the same sense that your Pirie did and I did in a Bank warehouse temporary job to help organize the some of the forms that the bank used in there.

This is reading called. Yeah, this 79 when I wanted to do that same fiscal and.

The Spiritual Crisis of Leaving Mormonism

Let's explore now the main theme that we are addressing today a lot of Christians when they are Evangelizing the lost. Even though every lost person, you know, regardly regardless of their background whether they are an openly scandalous scandalously wicked person And in matters of morals and so on or if they are even a very pious and Religiously dedicated person in a false religion or cult.

There is something unique about the mission field that includes those that have been seriously harmed mentally emotionally spiritually and sometimes even physically by being in a false church or cult and there is as it were a Homeless situation for them spiritually.

These in my own experience the this type of people have been the hardest to reach. They have been the hardest to even give you a listening ear. In fact, as I said the last time when I interviewed you on the TV series under the banner of heaven The Nastiness that I was receiving from people who were former Mormons The the vicious remarks that I was having hurled at me was just a Was just a reminder of how very unique this Group of people are and in fact, we can't even say that this group of people is monolithic.

You have all different you have all different kinds of stories and backgrounds and Motivations and presuppositions, but if you could just take up from there.

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Don't know how long if at all you were Ready to give up at all on belief in God or anything like that but there are some who have totally abandoned any concept of God any concept of religion any concept of faith that involves anything involving a deity and commitment to a.

Worship and an obedience to that deity, but if you could just pick it up from there. There's something I called. You know, it's like when you have a building in the building you discover that the building is rotten inside and that you know There's mold and and termites and everything else and it's about to fall down on your head so you get out of it, but you can't just prop it up and go back and live it and.

So I had to do what actually described and bear in mind because when this happened to me I was 21 years old work that I knew of Gerald and standards. They were in Utah and I was here and you know, we didn't have the email.

We didn't have those sorts of things. I would never occurred to me to call them up on the phone to talk to them because One of the things that when you've been totally invested in in a false religion is you begin to doubt your own judgment.

Whether or not you can correctly assess anything you feel. I I didn't feel the anger and betrayal that you just described but in that teardown process Chris, I Sat down with myself and thought if Mormonism is wrong.

What is right? Because this young man who was Later became my husband didn't mean that Christianity and he were emotional and theological teardown. I did was I had to decide whether or not there was a God and I didn't realize that at the time Chris, but I was doing exactly what it 18 through certain things that anybody has access to about God and it's that he is the God with divine powers and that creation.

But even that she did my own mind is that true they truly are Happy with it, but I could see in the created order there was this but that doesn't really tell you very much other than there is a God who created and the Rebuilding after the teardown there was a God and he had created the Sandia Mountains.

I was in New Mexico my whole life when I wasn't in Utah. I mean just the gorgeousness of God's creation. I had to say and then I made a another BAM created a decision about I guess whether or not I could trust them again.

Distance of betrayal from the sound. So I decided that I was I read that he would want some sort of communication with him. I couldn't imagine that Creativity and he would be ability to talk and communicate and the ability to to think about and think you communicate.

But they can't communicate about their own thinking proper. Oh, yeah, and so if that were the case if you were going to create if you were going to communicate with human beings and I just come out of it, you know where the prophet could receive revelation for the whole church and then it goes down to you know, the the the twelve apostles in the 70 and others where it trickles down to children because her husband receives her could be invalidated By by discovering that it was in case was actually hurtful.

I could there be an authoritative source of communication. That didn't depend on people's emotions and did not depend on individual human beings. Validate truth and real I decided and I cannot tell you what had me decide that but I decided To trust the Bible from then on I was able to build a house In which I could live and which I could believe that I could have fellowship with God.

Amen.

Reaching the Spiritually Homeless with Patience and Scripture

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We're now back with dr. Latane C Scott if you just tuned us in we are discussing a former Mormon. Discusses the unique challenges of reaching a spiritually homeless Who flee from the outreach of Christians after the devastation of being misled and harmed by a cult?

Our email address if you have a question is Chris Arnson at gmail .com. Chris Arnson at gmail .com. As always give us a first name at least your city and state in your country of residence. I believe we have a first-time questioner with a question.

Amy in Leveland, Texas and sorry Amy if I'm mispronouncing the city in which you live but Amy says in my limited study. It seems to me that Mormonism and Islam Have more in common than Mormonism and Christianity.

Is that a fair assessment and can you expound on it? If so, and she has One other question here. So let you start with the first one. Yeah, didn't he call himself the second Muhammad.

I don't remember exactly how he put it, but he did. Muhammad and I think also good and of course, I think an inescapable similarity is a.

Works-based righteousness even though Mormons Use the word grace. They really do not believe in it in a biblical concept Of salvation being free and a free gift from God. They really believe that they are helping to earn and merit their their Their state in the eternal life, am I right?

Well, I'm glad in the word salvation. It's something that's given to all human right which is the ability to be Trinity in the or the key. And how it comes on you. And of course the thing that would make them radically different is.

That Islam is X is monotheistic to the point where they think wrongly. The Christians are tritheistic and in fact the worst sin that you can commit in Islam is the sin of shirk, which is Giving partners to God and what they mean by that is if you were to say that Jesus Christ is God incarnate.

You are doing that and that is a worse sin than murder rape. Anything else you can conceive of doing in an evil fashion. That is their worst form of abomination is so. But on the other end of the spectrum you have Mormons having an infinite number of gods.

They would perhaps be more Correctly defined as hen Otheists because they worship one God on this planet. But they believe in an infinite number of other gods. In fact, they will be gods if they are faithful Mormons, right?

And her Amy's second question when coming out of the LDS. Where were you?

Ever uncertain of God or was it your certainty that led you out it to be baptized. For instance. It was with a card game and somebody else had all the winning cards, but that didn't mean I had to like it.

I was relieved to be.

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And I hope you keep listening and writing back when we are interviewing other guests. We have Andrew in New York City and Very interesting question. How do we keep someone from a cult? Oh I'm sorry. I misread that how do we keep someone coming from a cult?

From falling into antinomianism in other words. And I've met people like this who were not only involved in cults and left But were even involved in very strict Christian homes, they might have been even theologically Orthodox homes faithful to the Bible, but the the homes were overly rigid and restrictive and even Bordering on Pharisaic and judge judgmental in their control of their children or even the church's control over the congregants an extreme form of fundamentalism in Christianity and when they left Some of them have claims to Retain their belief in Christ, but they think that they can live any way they want they exaggerate and twist Biblical grace giving it giving to it a license to sin and Paul himself should said that if Should we sin that grace may more abound God forbid.

So Paul has already answered that issue and of course James in his epistle, but Yeah, you have any counsel the any thoughts on those that leave a restrictive rigid domineering perhaps dictatorial cult and then they they want to just live any way they choose even if they Are just still claiming to believe in God.

It tells you all of it may it answers all of the major Worldview questions, what's the most real thing? Maybe we can get into that it when someone leaves this explanation for reality actually. You don't just dump everything out and start from scratch.

I mean I did on the credit you can do a teardown because you just can't do a teardown of everything you've ever thought. So I remember Central and I was and you didn't drink. It was my big Rebellion, which may sound kind of silly.

But I had actually, you know lived the word of wisdom so strictly that I didn't eat chocolate. It contained a. Drinking a dr. Pepper was a big deal, but when people. It is a great temptation. They should be suspect that many of them are biblical.

I mean it is difficult to be a good citizen is difficult to to leave. Leave a good clean moral life as Mormonism teaches. It's not the issue. It is the right thing to do. So what do you throw out and what do you keep.

And so many people just once they feel we can't do many stupid things just because they can do them and they've been forbidden in the past and. So I think we can see a parallel there and maybe it might well.

The Difference Between Christian Liberty and Antinomianism

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