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Sunnyside Baptist Church Michael Dirrim
Good evening everybody. Thank you for coming back. It is good to be together again. Tonight we're going to have a fairly normal Schedule, we're going to start off with Thanksgiving. So be thinking about what you're thankful for.
And we will have a hymn to sing and a scripture reading and instead of having our normal 15 minutes of fellowship time we're just going to go ahead and directly hand it over to our brother Jonathan to come share with us about how things are going and That will give him enough time to share with us let us know how we can be praying for them and what we can rejoice with them about and Also some opportunity for Q &A time.
We're trying to get as much Q &A time as we can because Norm is here. Yeah. We'll let you know when it start Jonathan. Let you know when there's time for questions. Okay, Norm, okay. And then after that, hopefully we will just translate fellowship time after It's all said and done.
Okay, so that is the plan tonight. So what are we thankful for tonight? And we are too Good to see Norm and Loretta with us. Very thankful. Anybody else? Yes. Yeah, I bet you are. Yeah quality of life is much better with your parents.
It is thankful the geezers and the goulets made it back from Mexico. Yes. It was an encouragement to all of us. Nobody else. Yes. Friends and family and grandkids. Yes. Very thankful anybody else. Yes anybody else.
Oh I'm sorry. Yes. Thankful for God's mercies in our travel Jay and Chris are back. Yes thankful for the Wilcox family. Yes indeed. Well, let's go to the Lord together with Thanksgiving Heavenly Father we do.
Thank you For all these many blessings that we've mentioned here tonight. We thank you that you are such a generous and loving Heavenly Father Giving to us all these many blessings all because of your son Jesus Christ and we rejoice in these blessings and give our Adoration to you and ask that you would help us as we sing together and read your word together.
And Lord, we pray that she would bless Jonathan as he comes and shares with us How things are going and how it is that Christ's kingdom is on the advance and expanding in parts Beyond here and we pray all these things in Jesus name.
Amen.
Chris I love that we count our blessings on Sunday nights and talk about what we're grateful for and. What better way than coming to the fount of our many blessings? So there's a handout in the back. If not, it's psalm or hymn 2 in your hymnal.
Come thou fount of every blessing. Come thou fount Of every blessing. Tune my heart to sing thy grace Streams of mercy Never ceasing calls for songs of loudest. Teach me some Melodious sonnet sung by flaming tongues above.
Praise. His Name of God Has brought me to this plan and will breathe safely home. Jesus saw me when a stray wondering from God. Daily I'm Constrained to let I go like a feather Bind my Wondering. Okay, so tonight's reading is going to be from second Kings.
Second Kings chapter 3 verses 1 Through 14. I saw James running in to read but Dylan asked me on a different Social media, so I don't you know, you know I didn't sorry James Wasn't trying to take away his blessings.
I just got oh, he's crying. Okay. I'm sorry. Never offend the man that makes the coffee. All right. Second Kings chapter 3 we're gonna be reading verses 1 through 14. Now Jehoram the son of Ahab became king over Israel at Samaria in the 18th year of Jehoshaphat king of Judah and reigned 12 years and He did evil in the sight of the Lord.
But not like his father and mother. For he put away the sacred pillar of Baal that his father had made. Nevertheless, he persisted in the sins of Jeroboam the son and the bat who had made Israel sin for he did not depart from them.
Now Misha king of Moab was a sheep breeder and he regularly paid the king of Israel 100 ,000 lambs and the wool of 100 ,000 rams. But it happened when Ahab died that the king of Moab rebelled against the king of Israel.
So King Jehoram went out of Samaria at that time and mustered all Israel. Then he went and sent to Jehoshaphat king of Judah saying the king of Moab has rebelled against me. Will you go with me to fight against Moab?
And he said I will go up. I am as you are my people as your people my horses as your horses. Then he said which way shall we go up. And he answered by the way of the wilderness of Edom. So the king of Israel went with the king of Judah and the king of Edom and They marched on that roundabout route seven days and there was no water for the army.
Nor for the animals that followed them and the king of Israel said alas. For the Lord has called these three kings together to deliver them into the hand of Moab. But Jehoshaphat said is there no prophet of the Lord here that we may inquire of the Lord by him.
So one of the servants of the king of Israel answered and said Elisha the son of Shaphat is here who poured water on the hands of Elijah and Jehoshaphat said the word of the Lord is with him. So the king of Israel and Jehoshaphat and the king of Edom went down to him.
Then Elisha said to the king of Israel What have I to do with you? Go to the prophets of your father and the prophets of your mother. But the king of Israel said to him no for the Lord has called these three kings together to deliver them into the hand of Moab.
And Elisha said as the Lord of hosts lives before whom I stand. Surely were it not that I regard the presence of Jehoshaphat king of Judah. I would not look at you Nor see you. Well, we can praise the Lord.
We have a king Lord looks with Most superb regard. God would not have anything to do with us. And would not give us his word if it weren't for our King. Praise be to God. Let's pray father. We thank you for this day.
We thank you for the word. We thank you for The way in which you shepherd history into the fold of your glory. And we pray that you would help us recognize our place in this your history. And I pray that you would help us to be aware and praying and laboring in the work that you give us to do Now we pray for our brother Jonathan as he comes to share with us that you would give him Great encouragement and know help him to know how much he is loved and appreciated here at Sunnyside.
We pray these things in Jesus name. Amen.
Jonathan good evening. Hopefully we're gonna get a PowerPoint up there. Okay, there you go. So I'm gonna try and make sure that we leave enough time for question. You know questions and answers especially for Norman.
He traveled a long way. Not as far as I did though Norman say I'm Going to give you a whistle top stir and tour through what we've done in the last few months. And then a few thoughts from the book of Revelation before.
Before we get to the Q &A. So a lot has happened and I could stop probably on any one of these pictures. That I'm going to show and spend half an hour talking about it. But I'm not going to. I'm gonna try not to at least.
But there's you know, there's a lot of different things happening. So we began the year with a new grandbaby. That's grandbaby number nine. That's Hannah with her two boys Caleb. What did we know Caleb Luis?
It's his name he was born December the 21st, so technically that was last year. But you know, we saw the new year coming that way. So that was a lot of fun to be able to see. To see him. You know fairly early on.
Then I started traveling. I went to Colombia and I was there for several weeks. I'm part of the Colombian field leadership, even though I don't live there I'm also part of the regional leadership. And so my role in Colombia is is discipling the leaders that are there.
During the time there we had our field conference and this couple Wayne and Patsy Gibson Retired after 50 years on the field 46 years working with the Pia Poco Indians in Colombia out on the eastern plains and There are now I don't know how many churches amongst the Pia Poco I mean lots we're talking maybe a hundred or so.
It's a big tribe goes from Colombia into Venezuela and They've they've finished up and they're the Pia Poco that they just moved back to Sanford. Rachel and I saw them last week. And they had actually like zoomed with their disciples in Puerto Nido, which is a village right on the border with between Colombia and Venezuela and The Disciples are showing them.
They were printing books. They were preparing materials. They're doing all sorts of stuff. So it's really exciting to see so it was great to actually recognize them and give them, you know. Just that send off from the field and for what they they've been doing there.
They're good friends of ours. And I've spent a lot of time with Wayne learning a lot from him from his 50 years of experience on the field. So then after the field conference I went to FUSA or FUSA Gasuga, which is where we got the training program in Colombia.
So we're training missionaries, you know Columbia we have Colombians Panamanians and Ecuadorians Peruvians Venezuelans all training in that training center and so I've been working with all of the Latin American training programs over the last two or three years.
Basically since COVID we've been meeting online months a week and so I spent some time with the guys in Colombia working with their curriculum working with their staff handbook they've been Functioning there for over 30 years without a staff handbook.
And so it's all by kind of word-of-mouth and It is you know, the ideas of what you should do and shouldn't do kind of gets bloated. After that long and so we spent some time and I couldn't continue to work with them online.
Now that's one of the one of the challenges and one of the blessings of this new technological age is I can be any anywhere in the world and I can be meeting with people anywhere else in the world. And it's a blessing but it's a challenge when they're on a different time zone and You really don't want a meeting at 2 o 'clock in the morning.
It has happened but not very often. I'm glad to say. Okay, so I went to Los Angeles. But not the Los Angeles you're thinking of. This is a Los Angeles a very small village Los Angeles in the Amazon Basin.
And this is again. This is in Columbia. This is me with Jordan Keefe. He is a third-generation missionary. And so both his parents actually second-generation missionaries. And So he works with the Ticuna people.
Sorry, that's not true. He works with the Tucano people the Ticuna another group. The Tucano people it's there's a whole language group language family related to Tucano and. So in this village. Which we'll see pictures of it in a minute in this village there are at least four or five different tribal cultures and languages Present in the village.
Okay, so we'll see a picture of the pastor in that village in a minute. Fulvio he is. To Jukka he's not to come at all. He's a to Jukka Indian. His wife is Tucano and a lot of the Marriages are that way that they they're intermarried between different different cultures and it presents a whole Different way of doing things a whole different challenge.
Which we'll talk about a little bit bit of that in a minute. So we flew out to the City of Mito in over on the edge of the Amazon Basin. This is there you go. So before we went we had to get the important supplies.
And this is one of those things that's going on is. Okay, Jordan had to get doughnuts because there was somebody looking after his house. Yeah, and what do you do for somebody who's looking after your house while you're away?
Well, you have to take them something and this is what the guy asked for. There's I want doughnuts so. You you think well, why do they want dunking doughnuts in the middle of the Amazon jungle. Why not?
So So we flew out there so we had the one flight from Bogota to meet you and then we got on a Cessna 185 for a short 25 minute flight into the into the jungle. And so it was you know, it was a it doesn't seem that long.
Half an hour in a small plane, but that same trip. Takes three and a half days on the river. And so you will see a clip in a minute of us going back. We couldn't go back from the airstrip. We landed in because it's too short.
So we had to go about three and a half hours. Up river to another strip to to be able to get out. So the reason we went out there is Jordan and I've been talking about doing this. Not exactly a workshop, but having totally changed.
So so that was a conversation that we had the reason I put this picture up is it really very interesting? Because all of the the Tukanov family. If you like that family of languages and so on they all believe that they they have a common ancestry.
And their common ancestry is this that the their ancestors Came up river from the sea on the back of a giant anaconda and The giant anaconda kind of just dropped them off at different points along the river and that's where they come from.
So we had a quite an interesting discussion with them because I said so what about People that don't live in the Amazon Basin. You know, which there's lots of people and they know about them now and they were like Never really thought about that.
So that was if you like that was their world view. And a lot of people obviously there still believe that way and Just in case we think well, that's kind of silly. Why would they think that? Let's just think about what other people think around us here.
No, it's not any sillier. So anyway, so that was an interesting discussion the the village of Los Angeles. This the Evangelical Church. We started there about ten years ago and Then somewhere I think it was five or six years ago the Catholic Church Tried to get the evangelicals thrown out of the village.
Okay, because they said they're not following our traditions. They're not following the tradition the tribal traditions which for them included Catholicism. Interestingly enough, even though the Catholics haven't been there much longer than the evangelicals.
But it's it's interesting again. It's one of those worldview clashes that's going on. Those there is no priest all the time. There there's like a lay reader. Whatever they call them something like that from the Catholic Church who lives there.
Doesn't have a good reputation. He joins in all of the parties and so on but he's there and he. You know rings the bell to get everybody to go to church Sunday morning. But so it's a challenging situation there because you have the traditional tribal culture then you have Catholicism thrown on top of that and then you have some people who join the evangelical church and.
They don't understand any more than the people going to the Catholic Church for different reasons. Happens here in the state state doesn't it? So. So that's that's why we were there talking through some of those things.
Trying to trying to figure out how to be more effective in evangelism in discipleship and so on. So this is a picture of In the middle there cultures. You know, we were watching. I was out there while the earthquake in Turkey was happening and we were watching some of that.
They watch, you know National Geographic programs we watched something about this vet treating exotic animals here in the in the US and. The amount of money that people were putting into pets was I mean, it was just phenomenal and.
You know you you look at that anything. Who are these crazy people? Yeah. But this is what they're learning about. You know, this is if you like. For a lot of people that's now what they're thinking of as of a civilization.
Kind of crazy. But so so we're there we were there looking for you know ways to help them to address some of those issues. Not everyone was quite as interested as I was. This is one little girl in the church service.
Falling asleep. There we go. Yeah, this is so we're gonna go upriver as this. Yeah on this it's upriver that way. But if we went downriver 15 minutes, we'd be in Brazil. Okay, that's more or less where we were and so just to give you an idea of some of the stuff you all the Context of where we were staying.
So we went the days that we were there when we got there. The river was quite low and. Had we had it not rained. We would have had to go through eight sets of rapids to get to the airstrip. Okay, as it was it had rained and so we only had to go through three.
Okay, the river goes up and down really quite a lot. And so the time that I was there it had risen about six feet. We you know because we were praying I think quite a lot but we didn't have to do eight sets of rapids.
Anyway, so that's what it was like there so then okay on the left you have. Yeah, your left on the left you have. The airport in we do that's what we would consider an airport on the right. We have the airport in the village that we took off from.
That's our stuff. Waiting for the plane to arrive. Bit different. Okay. So I got back from that trip we had some friends who work with ethnos 360 aviation. It's a lot easier to say NTMA, but you know, they work with the aviation arm.
And they came over to the UK. For a missions conference at the training center there. We knew Juanita from time in Colombia. Years and years ago and so they came and stayed with us and we took them around a few of the sites around where we live.
Yeah, and Rachel. Did her normal hosting or hostessing thing? Which is very good at. So we had some fun there and then of course we had some fun. Ruben our oldest English grandchild we have seven grandchildren here in the in the States and.
We now have three in. In the UK and so he's the oldest of the the British contingent. Anyway, so you can tell he can. Barbecue plastic food. Oh, and I mean that's yeah while I was there while we're back in England.
We got Logan. Logan Ezra is our 10th grandchild. So. So then I hit the road again. About four just four weeks ago. For the astute among you. It says this time to Bolivia. But on the picture it says I was in Panama.
That's because I was in Panama. I Was in Panama on my way to Bolivia. That's how I flew. But obviously, you know, that's kind of. You know being my life recently is you know figuring out how to get to places.
And spend time there. I just in Bolivia for just a week and. And it was it was really it was a good time I just there for it was just less than a week and the reason I'd gone there is because. The field of Bolivia is our oldest field as an organization and They're struggling they don't have very much leadership or very many people in leadership there and They're not sure quite what they should be doing and How to move ahead so the reason I say it's an historic moment is because We had the Bolivian leadership there we had representatives of the Brazilian leadership there and we had representatives most of the Paraguayan field leadership there and they were all talking about how they could work together.
Now you might think well, isn't that what we do in theory, but in practice, you know historically what's happened is that so many fields they think just within the country that they're in and so. This is for me.
This was historic because that we had three fields. Talking about how to work together and how to coordinate their efforts in lots of different ways so one of the things that we weren't actually talking about during this week, but just to give you an idea is When we think of the Amazon Basin, which is considered to be one of the One of the least reached areas of the world with the gospel Outside of the 1040 window.
It is the least reached area of the world. Okay? So the Amazon Basin. It's mainly in the south. You've got Bolivia. You've got Brazil. Yeah, then as you go up you've got Peru. Yeah, you've got Colombia.
Yeah, Ecuador Venezuela and so on and So what we're seeing one of the things that I'm seeing because I work at a regional level is that we have works Tribal works which we have it in more than one country.
And so we've got different teams working in different countries doing the same thing. And so that seems like why are we Doing that. We're not actually thinking about how to Coordinate our efforts and so we're actually having opportunities to work in Bolivia Peru Colombia.
Particularly to work with either with other organizations or to work with within global partners to train Indigenous people as missionaries. Okay, so that's that's going to be a coordinated effort, which is kind of You know taking slowly taking off.
But it's very exciting to be involved in anyway. I'm not going to keep talking about that. Otherwise, I won't stop. Okay, so then I was back to the UK for a week for safety training for new missionaries.
You know Rachel and I are involved in doing this every year in the UK this year I'm hoping to help out doing it in Colombia and in the States later in the year so We were back there for the week. And we actually stayed with Rachel's parents.
I'll mention them. I think at the end. So we were there for a week and then I Think Did we you know, there's a week missing in there. We went to Germany as well for international security meetings and then last week We got we were in Sanford, Florida for international leadership meetings if you look carefully at that picture, which you probably Might be able to you'll notice that we're not in those in there.
Yeah, you notice that is like did he put the wrong picture up? No, because what it is is I'm not on the international ministry team. But I work for them and so very often we're invited to be in their meetings because because of what I do I have to represent them and Then I have to report back to them so that's why we were there and You took the picture, oh no, I took that one.
Yeah, you're right. Yeah, I took it it's good, isn't it. Yeah, okay, so I'll stop there as far as this is what that's what we've done so far. Just to bring everybody up to date. Rachel's mother had a heart attack about four weeks ago.
Something like that. She's been operated on she had bypass surgery her dad has Alzheimer's and so We are now wrestling with the You know the confusion I'm supposed to for the rest of this year. I've got trips planned for Colombia Bolivia Mexico and the States.
We don't know how that's going to work if Rachel can travel with me or not. So we definitely appreciate your prayers. For clarity with that because Rachel's parents really can't be left as long as her mom is Still recovering and not full strength.
She they really can't be left alone. And yeah right now Rachel's brother is there looking after them so that we can be here. Okay, so Just a few thoughts from the book of Revelation, I don't know. If you've ever thought about this for some reason I just got stuck on this and It's just one of those things sometimes, you know a bit of a verse or something.
You start thinking why. Does it tell me this? Yeah, and so at the end of Verse 1 of Revelation 21. It says and the sea was also gone. Yeah, it says I saw a new heaven and a new earth the old old earth had passed away and the sea was also gone.
Why. Why does he say that? Yeah, what what's the significance in in the sea also having? Cleaned up. Lots of reasons probably a lot more theological than I'm going to tell you now. But you know just a few thoughts.
I don't know if you've ever watched the blue planet or any of those Programs where they talk about the all the stuff in the sea. Have you ever seen those? Yeah, and and I mean it's kind of fun because.
Because you hear somebody like David Attenborough or Sir David Attenborough. Talking about you know, I mean, I remember one thing. Yeah, they're talking about this. There's the events at the bottom of the ocean spewing out boiling Sulfuric acid.
Yeah, you seen that one? Okay, and so and so the the narrator says. Surely nothing can live there. Sulfuric acid boiling water. Oh look. There's something there. There's these snails. Just sitting there by the edge of these vents and they're they're like somehow not just surviving.
That's where they choose to live. Yeah, and then you see these other things you see these dark, you know sea creatures that you know. When the when those submersibles go down. They go all the way down and the pressure on those things.
It's incredible. And they keep finding new new creatures. Yeah, and so you think about it, you know. Let's just say that the earth is 6 ,000 years old. Let's say it's 12 ,000 years old. Whatever for all of that time.
Things were there. Yeah, so why did God do it? You know for me it tells me one thing it tells me is that he creates things for himself. Before anything else he does it for himself. Because he enjoys it.
You know God creates. Firstly because he's a creator. That's what he is. He does what he is. Yeah, and. And he doesn't do it because you know, somebody's telling him to it's just it's just fun. And I sometimes wonder how much of what we do.
We do out of drudgery. Yeah. Instead of just because it's fun so he creates for his own good pleasure and. The last point there is that I've got written up is God's economy is different from ours. So I don't know about you.
We. Some of you are still some of you are old enough to remember. When we. When we lived in Colombia we Basically, we lost everything we had. Yeah, because we were Out in a budget in Colombia and then we came out.
Rachel was six. She had hepatitis and we could never go back there. Because of the guerrilla situation in Colombia, so then we moved to Panama. So everything that we owned that we had left in a budget.
Is still there? Probably not anymore. Okay, and so you think what a waste. Yeah, and some of you I know you've you know, you've lost homes and so on through Tornadoes and so on that type of thing and you think what a waste.
But then you see you think about that verse. And it says and the sea was no longer there. Why did God do that when he knew one day he's just gonna get rid of it all. Because his economy is so different from ours.
Yeah, and he's looking forward. He's thinking of something else. That's going to be so much better. So then if we move on in Revelation 21 in verse 6 We hear this is Jesus speaking and he says it is finished.
Does that sound familiar? Yeah, where else does Jesus say it is finished. On the cross. Yeah, but you know what? That's what I thought. But you're wrong. I Mean, it's the same in English. But not in the Greek.
In the Greek what we have in in John 1930 where Jesus hung on the cross and he says it is finished. He used this term telio. Which in my best Greek accent, of course. Okay, and that that term telio it's the same it has the same root is when we it talks about us being perfect complete.
Yeah. Okay. And so he says on the cross he says it is finished it's done and what he's saying is. It's a little bit like when you pay your mortgage off. Yeah, or your last car payment. Yeah, it's done.
What a relief salted. Yeah, but in Revelation 21 6 the term he uses is this one Ginnama. And Ginnama is different again. It's saying is like it is finished, but it's like When you're going on a long trip and you have to get your car ready.
You know, have you checked the oil check your tire pressures make sure there's water all those things. Yeah, and at the end would you do say it's done. Okay. Different word and the difference that I mean I see here is that it's looking forward.
Yeah, so. So Jesus says In John again, he says I'm gonna go Build you a place. Yeah, I'm gonna get a place ready for you. And then he says it's done it's ready. So the end the end of the book of Revelation and It's one of those things.
So when you read a story normally you get to the end of the book you think oh I wish there was more. If it's a good book. You know, you think that was so good. Yeah. This time there is more. Yeah this time basically what we have in the Bible is just the first chapter.
Yeah, so what Jesus was saying basically was let the party begin. Yeah, you say it's done everything is done everything is prepared and from now on. We can party we can have fun together. So for me, that's an encouragement that's that's what I want people to understand.
Hopefully that's what you want people to understand, too. Okay, I'm done talking well maybe I've left some time for Q &A. And feel free to ask Rachel questions, I know I've said everything so far but She's told me what to say.
So Yeah. No, if you have questions, otherwise, I'll just keep talking stunned into silence. No, there you go. It's gonna be a long long process, but. So I was in Peru. When was I there last year? And I sat down with a couple of honey Quinn Indians pastors.
They have I think it's 14 Missionaries so indigenous missionaries working around Pocopa in Peru and then into Brazil. They've got like two in Brazil and the rest of them are in in Peru and so. The they said to me one of the one of them said to me says Said we've been here.
Obviously a long time. We've seen their Foreign missionaries they come and go. Yeah, they'll stay for five ten years whatever and then they leave. The Peruvians same thing. They'll come and then they'll leave.
If this job is going to get done who's going to do it? It's gonna have to be us. We live here. This is where we're from. Plus, you know, they said They recognized that there are places for example in Brazil there are places where Foreigners and by foreigner that means non-indigenous people can't live in an Indian community.
Okay, but if you're indigenous. The government can't stop you living there. So they can just say hey, I'm just visiting my cousins, which is probably true. And so they can go and they can begin to preach and teach.
And disciple in those communities. So so that's that's their vision that they they already have. So I was I asked them about it. I said so how are these churches doing in these communities? Not very well, they're not really doing very well.
So we talked more and I asked well Why do you think that is and everything how much training have these people had the missionaries had and so on? They really haven't had any training. So these are people going wanting they're excited.
Because they want people to understand the gospel. They want people to be saved, but they don't have the tools to be able to do it effectively. And so they were like, can you guys help with that? It's like we have an open door.
We have that same open door in Bolivia. This year when I go to Bolivia, I'll go back out to somewhere with where they're training indigenous people. For that just for that so we got that in Paraguay in Bolivia in Peru and Then what we just saw in Colombia, so it's it's isolated in a sense of.
These groups don't necessarily know each other. Yeah, but obviously God is doing something and beginning, you know to bring something together. Yeah, the other questions they're indigenous. So they're they're not like Americans or Brits or yeah, but they are from there.
They're asking for training. Yeah, not me particularly but as the organization. Yeah 10. Right. Now we have a 10. Elias is 10. As I is Still seven. Jai's gonna be six tomorrow. Jocelyn is for Alistair is nine.
Randy's seven. Hadassah is now six. Reuben is gonna be three in July. Caleb is four months old and Logan is a Month, did I pass the grandfather? Norman you had a question. I. There's no way I can do that on my own.
In fact, it's quite possible. I won't do much of it myself at all. There's quite a few people Who are Interested and we're getting more people who are interested in in doing. You know that kind of work one of the questions that I put to new missionaries when they're looking for somewhere to work is Do you want to plant a church or Do you want to see a church planted?
Yeah, so in other words, do you want to be the one who everybody? Everybody says hey, there's a church planter. There's the mission. That's the that's the real missionary. Or are you willing to be the person who?
Helps other people to get there either in a support role in the teaching role at training role. Or something like that.
And if you're willing to do that, then there's no limit, you know to the ways that God can use you. Every situation is different.
Every context, you know has its. Has its challenges? When the Catholic Church is involved there's a lot of antagonism. In some communities. And depending where you are, for example, I know there's a there's a community Yaki Indians in northern Mexico.
They are very closed. They don't want any outsiders. They don't care it's not just about religion they just don't want outsiders there. We want to put missionaries there. Now when we do that They won't be missionaries.
They'll be something else. They'll have to they'll have to have a profession. They're probably doctors or some sort of a socio-economic Platform, you know and they'll do that. But then they'll begin to you know be witnesses.
You know to be witness with their lives long before. They can do that through their words. But you know in some places in the you know, there are places where the people are open to it very open to it.
You know, I don't know if that answers the question yes is again on the situation that we're talking about but for for a For a church to be healthy then They have to have a Bible. At least the New Testament.
Preferably the Old Testament all the healthiest churches have a whole Bible. Go figure. You know, so that's that and we're talking a New Testament project takes a roughly 15 years. So then if you're going to do an Old Testament project we're talking a lot longer.
And at this point The translation is very much limited to people who speak English or Either the first language or as a second language. Because nearly all of the best translation helps are in English.
Or in German funny enough, but you know, we have everything in English, too. You may have heard of mother tongue translators. And having teams of mother tongue translators. That works when you have somebody who understands exegesis.
Who understands how to read what this passage is actually talking about and then how to put that? those concepts into the other language and then. Having a mother tongue or team of mother tongue translators.
They help to actually word it and craft it so that meaning is clear in In that language in the target language. So that is that is a massive need. Yeah another another need is this idea of worldview of teaching in a way that You're targeting the worldview and you're not just.
The the illustration that I used we're out in Los Angeles was I said if you imagine you've got a Lemon tree because there was one right there. So it's kind of handy. So it was imagine you have a lemon tree and If you start talking about baptism if you start talking about Living right now tithing, you know about how you ought to behave and so on.
I said that's like hanging bananas on a lemon tree. Yeah, and you don't change anything because eventually the bananas rot and fall off. And it's still a lemon tree. Yeah, if you don't change the roots.
You're not going to change the tree and so teaching at a worldview level and understanding how to do that and understanding how to Understand somebody else's worldview is again. It's one of those things that that.
They need to learn. Yeah, it could be it could be there are a lot of.
Stories that Kind of look like maybe somewhere along the line they were a flood tradition that got Changed in some way it got morphed there are a lot of I know like in in Panama the Nassau believe that.
That they were sent away because God was angry with them and there was sent away and they followed this big eagle. Which eventually turned into their goddess and it turned into this physical rock. Which they still do all of their? sacred practices that that rock.
Okay. Well, you can kind of see that link back. Oh, yeah when God got angry with them. It's like okay. This is the rest of the story, you know type of thing. And so it could well be that that way and that's where it came from.
Yeah. Yes. Yeah, it's a good question. The simple answer is yes. I'm just the same as here. Yeah, just the same as you know if you witness to your average American. Sometimes you'll see a dramatic change.
Sometimes you won't. Like I say, it's the world view. Change is where you want to see it first. You don't want somebody to give up smoking. Just because they think oh, well Christians don't smoke. Yeah, I mean you want there to be a profound Change in okay.
I'm my body is the temple of the Holy Spirit. What does that mean there's implications to that and it's not just about smoking, you know, it's about exercise. It's about diet. It's about lots of things so so.
That worldview change is then going to prove, you know provoke if that's the right word that sounds very Spanish. Betty's not here. She'd defend me. You know, but it's going to cause Behavioral changes, but that's not going to be that shouldn't be the first thing that we look for but sometimes the you know, the they will change very Quickly and very dramatically a lot of it depends on how they're taught if they're taught Through the Bible before they're saved and they understand the story.
They understand that God created them for a purpose that was to know him and to glorify him and the sin entered the world and that Destroyed if you like that Twisted that out the image of God in us and so God now brings it, you know, you look at the story and you see Jesus coming and he dies on the cross and he pays for our sin and He gives us an opportunity now to do what we were supposed to do at the beginning.
Which is to know him and to glorify him and then we see all the way through this like we're just talking about in Revelation. Where we're with him forever and we get to glorify him forever if they understand that flow of the story.
Before they get saved when they get saved. Then you tend to see a much more dramatic change. Yeah, because all of those things the pieces were in place. Oh, I'm supposed to live a way that is worthy. Of the person who saved me.
Okay, my time has gone any other questions? What if the global partners? Average age. Around 60, I would guess. Yeah, there's some I know there's one guy that just had his 50th birthday. There's others who are Getting close to 70.
But it's kind of in that rage range Yeah, because of the experience that they've had and so on and what they've done where they've been working and so on. Yeah. Yeah influence. I Don't think so. No, I.
Wouldn't say so Jonathan Rachel. I know y 'all didn't come.
Primarily for us when you know, the grandkids are in the area and we appreciate you making a pit stop Coming by and spending time with us. That was encouraging to hear what the Lord is doing very encouraging to hear about the indigenous leadership training others and Realizing their own Ability and responsibility to cooperate with one another really like to see these generation after generation of Christianity spreading.
There was a report not so long ago that encouraged me. I think it was a missionary team out of Venezuela that went to North Africa and when we've got We've got missionary teams going from Venezuela to North Africa to evangelize the the Muslims.
Praise God, you know praise the Lord. So that's these are good signs of what the Lord is building and I want to close us now. Especially praying for Jonathan and Rachel and for the work that they're doing.
Okay, and it'll be dismissed. Heavenly Father I thank you for the time that we've had tonight. And we thank you that you indeed Do what you do in accordance with your own character all for your own pleasure.
And we rejoice in The testimony that we've heard tonight to be once again assured that that Jesus is building his church upon the rock of his gospel and the gates of Hades cannot prevail against it and Though there are many challenges and many difficulties Lord.
We know that you are Faithful to your promises and bringing these things to pass. And so we pray for Jonathan and Rachel and pray that you would give them encouragement and wisdom and health opportunity and blessing.
I pray especially for Rachel's parents that she would bring healing and stability and Everything that they need as you would bless those who are taking care of them and that you would Help their children to honor their parents in this needy time.
Well, we do. Thank you for Jonathan and Rachel pray a special blessing upon their work as They continue to train others that they would be effective In the the work that they've been called to do. Well, we thank you for this time that we've had together tonight.
We pray these things in Jesus name. Amen. All right, we are dismissed.