Ephesians 4:29-32 Applied to Christian Communication, A Hack-Job Video, & Francis’ Unorthodox Views

Greetings welcome to the dividing line. It's yeah, it's working. It's it's functional and the whole nine yards. It's good to be with you. It's Tuesday, I think yeah, it's Tuesday, and we've got a lot to get to on the program day some book stuff first.

Book Recommendations and Upcoming Guests

Let's do some geeky book stuff first. My keeping my my friend Jason Lyle's book. Keeping faith in an age of reason. I still love that headless dude there it cuz I know who that is. Everybody knows who that.

And it's and the bowtie. Hey, you know. You know how that's not me in the bowtie. It's too bland. It could be Jim Renahan. Jim Renahan would wear a bowtie like that fact. That's almost too flashy or anything, but It certainly can't be me.

We know who that is, but keeping faith in an age of reason Jason Lyle all sorts of stuff on. This this would go. I'm gonna put this right here. I'm gonna eventually put right down there and you put right next to Encyclopedia of Bible difficulties because that's where that needs to go and what's different about it.

Is that Jason identifies the logical error involved in the alleged contradiction type stuff, so Let's just say I'm doing a lot of Christmas presents. It'll have Jason Lyle's name on them. People you'll be getting Jason Lyle books, and I may I may also be picking up a few of these.

In fact, I wonder if I could get him to sign them put it up there so you can see it the early church father's daily readings edited by Nick Needham now I have mentioned brother Needham to you before and I don't want to get you know anymore if I say I like anybody.

They're in trouble because there's various people who will do exposés on them and everything else, but Brother Needham, and I met oh goodness. You know the first time. That I really I don't think it's first time we had met.

But it was the first time I really started getting a sense of just how funny Nick Needham could be really started realizing. This is a really neat guy. Was the exact same afternoon? That I got a message.

About a guy that was attacking Calvinism on the internet as if that's unusual. But that I should take should check out and the guy's name was Ergon Kanner. So this would have been 2005 yeah, so 2005 so good 12 years ago Dr. Needham and yes, we're talking about the nickname.

I should have brought his books in I'm sorry. But the four volumes well, I've shown them to you on the program before. I don't yeah I don't have many in here right now, but the four volumes set 2 ,000 years of Christ's power.

Dr. Nick Needham here's the early church father's daily reading readings nice little short little thing if you wanted to add some of that he just had this come out from Christian heritage books and You know I'm looking I'm looking at this here, I guess they sent it directly to me because I don't I don't see a signature anyway, I want to get back up to Inverness and that I can get him to sign sign it directly, but Nick Needham great guy, and He said he's pretty busy for the next couple weeks grading papers because he does teach up there in Inverness.

But we're gonna have him on to talk about this book and about his series on Church history and just church history stuff in general and just because he's a cool, dude, so Nick Needham Early church father's daily readings just just came out.

Textual Criticism, CBGM, and the ECM

I've been mentioning stuff on Twitter and Facebook that some of you just go. What are you talking about? I'm just gonna have to ask for your patience. Over the next couple years as I'm working on this PhD in textual criticism Sometimes I got to talk about what I'm reading about for example A critical examination of the coherence-based genealogical method in New Testament textual criticism by Peter J. Gurry.

Dr. Gurry is teaches here at Phoenix Seminary and This is a Brill publication. It's not a huge long thing. It's just over 200 pages. This is next on my on my reading list is the compilation of basically his dissertation on CBGM and the ECM Volumes which all look like this.

This isn't a technically an ECM volume, but this is the It is a part. Well, actually it is a part, but it's not ECM is Editio Critica Mayor. It is the currently being produced out of Munster Major critical edition of the New Testament.

It is obviously not intended to be Nessie Olland or UBS in other words portable. I didn't bring it in here, but I have the Books on Acts that just came out and it's four volumes now two of those volumes are Extra information so but Acts itself is two volumes long and The General Epistles came out first.

And so you've got Acts General Epistles. I think John is next I hope John is next. I wish it would come out Soon, but I sort of doubt that it that it will When it's all done, it's going to be Huge. It's not gonna be portable.

It's going to be obvious a library type thing because it's ridiculously expensive but The Methodology That is being used in the analysis of the readings is What this book is about coherence based genealogical method.

I am not in a position as yet because it would It would take the production of Numerous graphics and a lot of other stuff to even begin to try to explain what this is all about but I Let me just very Basically say that for many years We have been saying someday We'll get the computers involved in Helping us in New Testament textual criticism and immediately a lot of people go.

Oh, man, that just sounds That sounds all wrong, I don't want computers determining my New Testament readings, okay, okay look No other work of antiquity Presents us with the mass of information the New Testament does none one of the biggest problems that we have as New Testament textual critics is the fact that we have a Huge amount of information not just the Greek manuscripts, even though that would be enough 5 ,818 is a lot But we have the Latin manuscripts and we have Boheric and Coptic and Sahitic and all the rest this stuff and trying to Coordinate all that information and put all that information together is Extremely difficult to do and so I Understand when people go.

I don't know if I want computers involved with this, you know, okay, I get it but You know, we're using it for all I mean The next generation, you know when I was that I preached on Sunday at Apologia Church in the afternoon and the guy Who read the scripture text did it from his iPhone and nobody batted an eye.

We're getting used to that kind of thing. It might be a little bit different still Make a long story short What we've done for a long long time and I'm not gonna spend a lot of time on this But we've done for a long long time is we've looked at Manuscripts and we've basically used a 70 agreement on key variations platform to identify Various manuscript families and the assumption is that they're related to one another if in these key areas of difference they they agree well Once you can start Digitizing these manuscripts So that you know what their readings are.

You can start looking at things such as what is called pre genealogical coherence Where you're just simply Looking at the the broad spectrum of manuscripts as a whole how much they do they agree with one another in?

Toto it turns out it's about 87 Absolutely identical and So I mean, I mean that in and of itself Demonstrates that all the people have theories that well, you know, no one really knows the New Testament you said or I said It's just has been proven by computer analysis to be absurd but Then you can take those numbers and once you start Seeing manuscripts that agree 95 97 now you're starting to get in the point where you can start tracing Not genealogical relationships of Manuscripts but of texts and you see in CBGM the text is the wording Not the manuscript and that's really hard for a lot of people to wrap their minds around.

How do you just differentiate between the two but you can have? For a long time when we've talked about this. I've mentioned manuscripts 1739 1881 we know these are like 10th century manuscripts that Were copied from like 2nd or 3rd century exemplars, so even though they're way down here their text is way up here and so What this basically.

Okay, I'm getting too much of it and I'm sorry because that's what I'm dealing with and when you're trying to wrap yourself Nobody in in my era when I learned textual criticism in Bible College the seminary this this didn't exist.

This is this is late 90s and Really starts coming out and starts becoming Utilized only within the past decade or so and so Most of us are behind the curve on this one and I'm just trying to catch up basically.

But there are certain canons that it's based upon and one of the canons is that the scribes Attempted to accurately copy their manuscripts. Well, what happens if you have a manuscript with a scribe? Who is More free or Feels the freedom to engage in at least some kind of stylistic editing what happens that manuscript and Can you use CBGM to identify where that happens in a particular manuscript in comparison to others.

That's what I'm having to deal with a p45 because p45 that seems to be what the scribe did at times so it's fascinating stuff and I can see the CBGM has the possibility of really impacting positively.

Um New Testament studies the resultant text and It's it's exciting stuff, but it is it's not just sort of natural to think about it. It's it's tough stuff. So Working through stuff like that. That actually is where the vast majority of my time is being spent right now.

All of you who actually think that I am the puppet master Running all these telling these people to go do this and other people go do that don't have time Don't have time. The only time I have to even be listening to you know today.

I listened to the Bible thumping wingnut thing with Jordan Hall and The only reason I was able to do that is I did it. I did a Thing this morning sometimes you got it. You got to play with numbers to keep things interesting.

So today I did 5k run and A 5k row and what's 5 plus 5? It's 10. So I did a thousand crunches and what's 5 times 5? 25 so I did 25 kilometers on bike. I Don't know you got you gotta come up with something See play with numbers or something, whatever.

But that's the only reason I had the opportunity to do that is I put it on my phone put my Trex air open ear headphones on and I Tried not to fall over at some of the comments that I heard but it didn't.

I wasn't riding in the dark. So it wasn't all that big of a deal anyway. So That's about the only time I get to listen to this. I haven't I turn the TV on to watch one thing. I record. I haven't even watched a news program.

I'm seeing stuff on Facebook that there's stuff going on. I listen to the briefings. So I hear some things there, but I Think my blood pressure is actually a little healthier that I'm not watching news very much.

I guess Jeff Sessions was 24 -7 on Fox News today. I don't know why but I turned it on and that was going on. I don't know. So there you go. That's what's going on with that. Before we go To a couple things that I want to review.

Ephesians 4 and Christian Communication

I Would invite you having talked about some geeky stuff To Look to your scriptures if you have if you a lot of people are driving you can't do it. I'll be reading for you. This text was I was directed this text this morning by a pastor friend and I thought it would be I think good to remind ourselves of these things we are having a Discussion dialogue About How it is we should behave even amongst reformed people in Engaging other individuals and how we present our faith and Some people are suggesting specifically Jordan Hall that Presenting Reformed theology with Not with a quiet tone or with effeminate he's used a term effeminate effeminate Calvinists Namby Pamby Calvinists this kind of language but actually presenting the doctrines of grace in a gracious fashion as a Showing recognition that I myself needed grace.

That I am NOT better than someone else in other words not being an arrogant snobbish Calvinist which I've been accused of many many times and I'm sure there have been times when I have been and I realized that we live in a day where any kind of Confidence in objective truth Will be seen as arrogant by the people of world not even talking about the people of world I'm talking about amongst Christians here.

How should Christians treat other Christians? How should we as if if we believe that the doctrines of grace are biblical? How do we present them to others even those who would? Claim the name of Christ and yet oppose these doctrines.

Well as we think about that There there's a lot in Scripture About how we should communicate with us, you know ever notice that it and I I'm gonna be straight up front with you I think a lot of people involved in apologetics Tend to shy away from these texts.

Because they are so convicting Because they Provide so much they shed so much light on our motivations and It So I think we just avoid them so we know that when Paul wrote Timothy The elder is not to be quarrelsome with gentleness.

Correcting those who are in opposition if perhaps God might grant them repentance. These are this is a biblical command and this is specifically about people who are in opposition and There are a lot of people who say hey if they oppose these truths.

We don't have to worry about how we treat them. We can treat them disrespectfully. We can we can we can insult them. We can we can misrepresent them. It doesn't matter. We're just we can do whatever we want.

So there's lots of places we could go we could talk about you know, James and and what he says and we can talk about. Specifically how the elder is supposed to behave and how he's supposed to control his tongue and and and what it means to be respectful and all the rest that stuff.

But for all Christians as we interact with one another Paul's words in Ephesians chapter 4 is what I was pointed to and I think it's fitting to consider what is said here because as we as you and I communicate.

And there's different ways of doing so on the internet today. I'm committing I'm communicating by video for some of you people by audio for others. Maybe a little bit of both. You know this morning I When I listened to that episode That was a video episode, but I listened to the vast majority of it rather than watching it.

Just was more convenient. And there wasn't it's not like there was anything being shown on the screen that necessarily required your your attention but also as we Tweet as we tweet longer with 280 characters now as we Post on Facebook as we put pictures and videos even as we make memes.

For Example do you have what I'm sending you right now? Here's a here's a meme that was posted by pulpit and pen and You know the top of the meme says how do moderate Calvinist respond to a Dortean Calvinist.

Who says that our minion ism is heresy according to Calvinist history? He is in caged age. I'm appalled hyper Calvinist my favorite man crush apologists would never do that. Do you think the toes of Ravenhill and Wesley were not saved?

He is ungracious. He's so ungracious. I am tired these kinds of Calvinist did the thief in the cross know all the five points, etc, etc and you see the you know, the crying weeping at the bottom and and So on and so forth and then notice the term the the wording at the top.

There's increasing reason to believe that James White has named Alpha Omega Ministries after himself. Okay, so this is a meme posted by pulpit and pen. Alpha Omega Ministries Was founded when JD Hall was about what 10 something like that and We were reaching out to Mormons and others when he was but a child and we had the name Alpha Omega Ministries and we felt it was fitting because it seemed to be the At the time in our experience and dealing with Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses primarily To be such a fitting refutation of all the false teachings that these groups presented about the person of Christ and so This is meant to be demeaning insulting.

It is obviously Has no intention of being honest, but you see The mindset amongst many people today is as long as it's a meme. You can lie about someone to make a point and that's okay. So you saw the absurd meme that Steve Camp posted of the three guys dancing in Keller's Church, but he put Linda Sarsoura's face, Yasir Kai's face in my face on the people that were dancing and this is just It's childish it does it does memes Generally unless they're really really well done come across as extremely childish and certainly Steve Camp's memes have been extremely childish and comments along those lines but It seems like we have the idea that it's for example, I noticed for years that The television programs I could never watch any of them, but yet you just catch snippets of them the cartoon television programs hit a gutter level of Sexual innuendo and and humor long before The the ones with real actors in them could because the idea is well, it's cartoon.

You can't really can't really take that seriously so we can go ahead and push the envelope a whole lot more with that and and be much more disgusting with that than we can anything else and and It just seems like we have that same attitude even amongst Christians is that you as long as you can meme it Then we we're not we're not accountable for it.

So the things that we we put up on The internet I believe fall under the Words we're going to read here from Ephesians chapter 4 and that means I have to Be submissive to these words as well as anybody else Paul says Let no Unwholesome and that oh, I wasn't actually going to do that.

Don't really have it set up for that I Mean, I guess I can just put on top of the other one and then it'll be close, but that wasn't my intention. Anyways, let no unwholesome word Proceed from your mouth.

And that term unwholesome You'll notice BDAG Defines that as bad or unwholesome the extent of being harmful bad evil in a moral sense and so There This should not this should not just be as we are speaking with one another but as we are typing on Twitter and typing on Facebook.

So proceed from your mouth would include Be typed by your fingers Dictated by Siri or whatever. But opposite of that only Such as is good for The the need of the moment the the good for edification according to the need of the moment so in other words You should always be looking to build up in whatever situation you see.

Even if you feel the need or the desire to address a particular subject Address it in such a way as to build up not to tear down. That's not always easy to do. But that needs to be the first thought across your mind is only such a word is as good for Advocation going in the moment so that it what in order that it might give grace to the ones hearing.

I think that if I were to Explain the The Reason that there are so many Self-professing Christians who are coming after me now. Because of the way that I seek to engage in the debates and the dialogues and the public Exchanges that I have the opportunity to do with Islam or anybody else is that my desire in those encounters is to build up to edify the Saints.

To open a door for the gospel for those who are not in the household of faith but that I want my communication To give grace to those who hear now to those who who don't hear I I've never been able to know what I can do for them.

There are going to be those who do not as you said there are those do not have ears to hear and they're on both sides of the Of the aisle on the the other side of the my debate opponent and even on my side.

There are people is don't have ears to hear they their minds are made up. They're not listening. For whatever reasons I can't I cannot concern myself about them and when they write to me and insult me.

And so I I just have to leave it to the Lord and say Lord you will be done. I did the best I could and nothing to do for this particular individual, but So that it will in order that it might grant Grace to the hearing ones and the only way I know to do that is to get myself out of the way as much as possible and that means That there are times When certain of your opponents are going to Personally attack you to try to drag you into that situation.

Now it's different when you're not in a debate when you have more time and if it's possible to Do it what I'm trying to do right now. I'm trying to edify I'm trying to take what would be looked at as a negative situation.

We have Christians attacking other Christians. We have people Behaving badly on the internet and giving the faith and reformed theology a really bad name. I mean they are just fulfilling the standard stereotype of Calvinist as being mean ugly Graceless people that just want to win Theological battles and get their theological swords rich with Arminian blood and So it'd be really easy to just go.

Oh, I'm just gonna give up on the whole thing. And I'm just this is just ridiculous, and I'm you know Never gonna try to talk to anybody again. Just become silent. No, I want to try to edify to encourage to try to in some way shape or form be a voice for a biblical position and What I'm saying in this situation is in a debate.

The temptation is to be so concerned about me and how I look that you get in the way of the actual position you're trying to present to others and so you want to speak a Word that is good for edification According to the need of the moment and that's where you need the Spirit's assistance, and I am NOT saying That everyone has to respond exactly like I do we're gonna I'm gonna show you a video here in a few minutes.

That was put out promoted by pulp and pen attacking me. It's it's it you know it's grossly dishonest, and it's you know cutting things up and ignoring context. It's it's mean-spirited, and that's what you expect.

I mean we we just understand. That's sort of the essence of the pulp and pen thing but What you see there is my Trying to say that from my experience. This is what I've experienced. This is what I'm trying to do.

I'm not saying that Dr.. Theodore is a karate's should Speak like I speak. That's not what I was saying in Fact listening to the Bible humming wingnut thing they just completely missed the point we weren't talking about tone.

We weren't the tone police. If you can't tell the difference between you know they're saying was I just love a Calvinist that speaks of passion. I've spoken with passion about the doctrines of grace again longer than JD Hall's been involved in ministry.

Everybody knows that that's just again. It's just a fact that that you know you can ignore facts if you want. But it's just a fact have no problem with being passionate. I was passionate in presenting Romans 9 against Layton flowers.

But the difference is. It's one thing to be passionate. It's another thing for your passion to become what you're communicating so that you are Diminishing the force and effect of what you want to communicate which is the truth of God's Word and what happened in that debate is Not that I well, I I did disagree with particular things especially the Theodore was saying I'm a I'm a compatibilist.

I'm concerned about some of the directions that their views are going. I certainly affirm the London Baptist Confession what it says the necessity of Affirming the reality of the human will but it's enslavement to evil and sin but there was so much they said which was true and It and it echoed many of the things that I've said to Layton flowers over and over again now, of course, they take the position that and J .D. Hall took the position in the interview that Layton flowers is a god-hater.

He's he's a lost man needs to be saved. And I don't take that position he might be. But that's not my call. That's not I I don't claim to have whatever this miraculous gift that J .D. Hall claims to have of discernment whatever that is I've never found that in New Testament, but the ability to read hearts remotely over the internet.

I Don't remember that was I thought he was a I thought he was a sationist but if you actually believe you you have that gift, you must be a continuationist, but but anyway, I don't have that gift and so I have to go with what a person actually professes and If Layton flowers is a god-hater Then I am more than happy to allow time to demonstrate that and the final judgment I sort of think God's view on this is best and I don't want to get myself in the way of that and God has a way of exposing these things over time.

And so I'm gonna take the position Layton flowers claims Inconsistently That he is saved by grace alone through faith alone, I realize he's inconsistent that point no two ways about it. And I do believe that he has dangerously wrong ideas.

I believe he's been forced into that I think there's background stuff here that some people are not even taking the consideration. I think he's been Basically asked to take a role in Southern Baptist life in the Dallas area Fort Worth area.

Think of the schools there think of the people there. He's been tasked with something and As a result, he's definitely most definitely that that crash you it by the way, it's X Nihilo. The maker of the video we're gonna look at didn't know what that was.

But anyways, it's crash. Yo X Nihilo and When he says that we are creating something by our own wills. Yeah, I Indefensible. But it's not a damnable heresy because I know a lot of Christians don't even know what crash yo X Nihilo is and So to be wrong about that not the issue I It's real simple.

There are some Calvinists that are willing to look at people like these. Like Layton flowers like Jonathan Pritchett and say God haters. I don't care what they say. They're lost. That's that's their perspective.

That's where they want to go and It has a result in how you approach them. You don't know you don't approach these men as brothers. You're not going to seek to Exhort them to be consistent with the Word of God.

In fact, you should just treat them as unbelievers. And and call them to repent you can't you can't exhort them from the Word of God. You can't resort can't you cannot engage them as Christians? It's going to it's going to be a very very very different type of conversation.

And you're gonna have a pretty small little group and but a lot of these guys like that. They like to have the small little group because we all look alike and I can be a really big fish in a really small pond that way.

If that's your perspective more power to you, I Don't want to be a part of that personally and and that's why you are doing the things that you're doing and taking shots and stuff, but And I want to very strongly differentiate myself from that kind of perspective and So maybe they would say well, this is this is only about Christians.

And so we don't need to worry about this. We were talking about we were talking to unsaved men who are actually heretics and so we don't have to worry about Whether it'll be give grace those who's here.

I want latent flowers to hear with grace and To recover from the imbalance. That is very plainly a part of his theological stance right now, I'd like to see that happen and Sometimes that takes years.

I Again been doing this for a long time next year 35 years Alpha Omega Ministries. Since we were founded I'm doing the math, right? Aren't I 83 October of 83? Yeah, so next year 35 years and We were just rich and I were just talking we've got all these Mike Beliveau gave us all these slides we just got to get into the one of those places and Put up some type of a page or something with what we had hair and big glasses type stuff and.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You had the Magnum PI mustache going and the whole nine yards. Yeah, and look at those satin baseball jackets we had. You know We ought to do them again. The the retro satin baseball jackets with the Alpha Omega logo on them.

I bet you we could move a few of them if we did it would be sort of fun. What were you talking about? Oh, yeah, I've been doing this for a while and I have had people come to me literally 20 years Down the road and say you're not gonna remember this and sometimes they're right and sometimes they're wrong.

But you and I tangled over this and Man I wish I had listened to you back then and I've I've come to see you were right and it's changed my life and I'd rather hope for that for Layton Flowers than to switch on the flamethrower and turn him into a crispy critter and make sure that he never ever Listens to what a reformed person ever says again and feel much better about myself in the process.

I've got the long view I want to I want to extend that grace. And for some people that's being namby-pamby and feminized and and and sissy. And these are these are literally terms that Jordan Hall uses.

He literally talks about Effeminate sissy. These are he types them out. He actually says them with his mouth. I I'm not making this up. It's stunning at times. So that it will give grace to those who hear and then you you have You have a command here in in chapter 30 do not grieve The Holy Spirit of God by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.

I I don't think that Putting that verse right in between two verses about how we control our speaking in tongues is I did not say speaking in tongues just in case anyone who is concerned is concerned and Unfortunately given the video we're gonna look at somebody would actually take that out and turn me into a raving charismatic.

I'm sure but Given that these two verses are Specifically about how we speak man. I'm gonna tell you something the only way that you can obey this command is Through the work of the Holy Spirit of God and when we do not Obey these commands Is that how we're grieving the Holy Spirit of God?

So Paul gives a reminder do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God By whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. He is he is that that seal Standard term that was used for the seals on business documents and things like that.

I also found Ephesians. He had used it back in Ephesians chapter 1. We are sealed with the Holy Spirit of God into the day of redemption. Let all bitterness piquiria it's let all bitterness and thumos a tumult wrath or gay anger.

Crow gay Clamor the loud banging noises of a of a rowdy crowd. Blasphemia slander there is a. From a from a biblical perspective we should talk about blasphemy a book. It's not Facebook. It's blasphemy a book.

It's blasphemy book and see we normally think of blasphemy as speaking against God but in this context This is slander. This is to speak against people. Pulpit and pen slanders people that graphic I showed you earlier Attributing to me The idea that I'm the Alpha Omega.

That's a lie. It's blasphemy in this. It's a violation a direct violation of Ephesians 431. It needs to be repented of. Now, I don't know if there's anyone any longer that has any Influence in Jordan Hall's life to call him to repentance for his violation of Ephesians 431.

But that's what he did. That's that's just that's straightforward and So it's slander. These things are to be put away from you and it's plural obviously it has application each individual but the church as a whole.

Together with all khaki and that normally kakas is just something which is bad or something like that, but what's wonderful about the Greek language and about lexical semantics is when you recognize Context and utilization of words in context when you put together PQA through moss or gay gay blasphemy up and khaki, ah, then you you're obviously If you were to take what we're called the semantic domains of all of those words and See where those domains crossover with one another.

We're talking about Intentionality in speech and so this is malice. This is speech specifically with the Non-redemptive Intention of causing harm and The command is these things are to be put away from us which means if we need this command that means It's far too easy For that abiding sin to cause us to not only engage in these things, but then to defend these things To come up with Reasons why we should be doing this.

It's a manly thing to do. You see these things we put away from us Instead We are to be clay stoic kind ice alellus to one another we are to be you spunk knowing Tender hearted and Caught examine. Oi.

Hey, I'll toys you hear that term Karis Forgiving toward one another Just as also God in Christ has forgiven you and Really when you boil it all down when I am speaking to a person in a debate if I truly want them to experience God's forgiveness as I so Desperately recognize my need for God's forgiveness It's going to change everything about that encounter.

If my first thought is that I Have to win this debate because of whatever reasons you can you can make them as Highfalutin sounding as you want, but unless I but if I have any other motivation You're going to end up with a mess.

You're gonna end up with a mess. But as long as I truly want that other person whether Christian or not to know God's forgiveness in Christ Jesus. It's going to change my attitude my answers my terminology My willingness to go toe-to-toe With insults How far I will bend over to communicate to make myself clear to hope for the best and To keep the audience in mind because I want the same thing for them.

I want the same thing for them and So I think these words well, they're right there in front of us they're right there on the page of Scripture. They're just as authoritative as anything else unless you suffer from hyper red letterism.

And some people do suffer from hyper letterism and We have to obey them we have to obey them. So with that in in mind, I Was directed to This I Just saw it Before the pro just before the program started it was in one of this it was in a really Annoying form didn't even have a pause button on it but thankfully if you if you right-clicked it it had a download link what Oh and I download link and So I was able to grab it and That way we can start and stop it.

But I want you to we're gonna look at this as a as an example of blasphemy. A violation of Ephesians chapter 4 sinful action on on the the net and Those of you who saw The first I think this is from the first part of the review of of the debate you'll recognize just the.

It would be humorous but for its intention Utter disregard for context just let's not worry about what was really being said. Let's let's put up. Let's put a little something up in the up in the top. To make it, you know.

You know, we're gonna set the theme up there. Whether that's what was actually being said whether that's fair or anything. The Internet has just filled this kind of stuff and I happen to be the object of this one.

But I think it's educational to just be able to recognize Just how far whoever this was went and JD Hall knows what it is. He's won't he was won't say because this he doesn't want James White fanboys all over them.

That you could do this to anybody. You could do this to absolutely anyone. It's really easy to do. It doesn't didn't doesn't take much much effort. The problem is when you're doing it in a theological sense then it involves you in Violation of Ephesians 4 which we just we just looked at so let's let's take a look at at this.