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Anything that is said today if anything comes out sort of Molinistically that has to do with the paint fumes

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I will allow you to make any applications to the rest of Molin ism from that particular point on but as it may

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Welcome to the program on a Wednesday It's it's dark in here.

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I mean I look dark to you But you see that's a that's actually a window. It always has been a window.

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It still is a window It just you can't see its window anymore so it's like really really dark and now we've got all this track lighting in here and stuff and Now I'm gonna have to our thing about what

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I wear because To be honest,

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I don't know what clashes It's I'm a guy. I don't know. How am I supposed to know?

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It's just you know, it's a color I don't know what goes with it or what doesn't

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I don't know That's that's that's for ladies to figure out not me But anyway, here we are and I'm really bummed because my

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Borg What's it called regeneration light

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Got taken out because you couldn't really see what it is yet Maybe we'll get that fixed.

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I don't know but I'm a little bummed about that Colors, you know change things colors change things.

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Yes, and we change some things Yeah, well, so no we need we turned it on and on camera.

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It's just a Light blue blob. You can't see any definition That's now when we go high -def when we get that high -def camera hooked up on the new unit that we're working on the whole nine

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Yards, we might be able to contrast that but this camera can't do white balance. So that's really an issue why

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Everybody's actually does seem to look orange in here too. Does it look orange to you early? It wasn't supposed to look orange, but you know, that's how it turned out.

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What's what looks orange the room Well, the walls the walls look orange.

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What's the official? What's the official it is? spiced berry spiced berry spiced berry uh -huh, so but you know, it's

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We're working on it and yes, I did warm up the lava lamp. I don't know why it's just laying there Uh, it takes more time than you gave it.

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Oh, so it takes 45 minutes is not enough 45 minutes to an hour easily Yeah, okay. Well, then it should start dancing here in time.

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Yeah by the end of the program. It should be alright. Yeah, okay Okay Right you and channel says

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I see a dwarf Which yeah you do I don't know why that got put there, but that's doc

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So I guess that's why it got put there. So Anyway, I've got a bunch of things here on Yes Mr.

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Hoffman asks, is that the new bunker under rootin Parker? That's correct. It is Did you get jealous of Todd Friel's new studio?

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I haven't seen Todd Friel's new studio The last time I was in Todd Friel's old studio. I was attacked by a giant roach.

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So Anything would be better than that I suppose So hmm and then there's another one

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I'd have to read the whole conversation know what the world's about and I'm not gonna do that so There are some fumes

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This could be an interesting program anyway wanted to start off with a Something that I had actually had in the

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I'm not gonna use stack of stuff But I use a program called pocket

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So when I see things online, I can just throw it in here and and I had this I had this whenever it first came up and it's starting to gain some traction people are starting to talk about it, but I think we need to be on top of recognizing

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The the fact that the left in our country which is seemingly

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Taking over with rapid speed Doesn't have the idea of this freedom of speech thing the tolerance brigade is the most intolerant of all people and Some of you are aware of what's going on with Brendan Ike the

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CEO of Mozilla You May be aware that I saw yesterday and I fired up Firefox Firefox is not my normal Browser, it has been in the past, but it's not the moment but I fired it up yesterday and went to this one website and Lo and behold once it saw you were on Firefox.

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It throws this thing up complaining about Brendan Ike and There are people that are getting

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Just really hot under the collar Now, why is everybody angry at Brendan Ike?

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Evidently, he's a pretty sharp fellow. I guess he has was involved in in putting together a bunch of important stuff for the for the

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Internet and evidently is Really skilled at what he does and in regards to that kind of stuff

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But that's not the issue. That's not the issue now let's remember Let's let's remember that Tim Gill and I'm drawing from one of Michael Brown's articles on this

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He of course beat me to it but Tim Gill founder of Quark Gave 10 million dollars in 2006 alone to LGBT causes

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Amazon's Jeff Bezos 2 .5 million 1 .5

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million of Yahoo! investor Daniel Loeb 600 ,000 and 100 ,000 respectively from Microsoft's Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer 100 ,000 40 ,000 from Google's Larry Page and Sergey Brin Who donated against Proposition 8?

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So here are people and evidently as long as you're on the proper side of things

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You can give you can you know, it offends me. I use

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Amazon I don't know how you avoid these days using Amazon, but It offends me that Amazon is shoving immorality in my face and That profits are being used to promote ungodliness and self -destructive behavior and things like that offends me greatly

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But that's what's going on and You know, we know Starbucks and Microsoft and Apple All these companies give millions and millions and millions and millions and millions of dollars

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To slap Christians in the face Slam what is good and godly

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And and undercut the very moral fiber of this nation. What did

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Brandon Eich do? Well in 2008 Brandon Eich Donated $1 ,000 in Support of Proposition 8.

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Yeah six years ago $1 ,000 in support of defining marriage as a man and a woman.

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That's it. That's what he did and You have entire companies losing their minds as If this guy was a child molester

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Something tells me the left would like him if he was a child molester but because he dared to give $1 ,000 not not 2 .5

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million dollars Like Jeff Bezos or 10 million dollars from Tim Gill a thousand bucks and Now you've got people boycotting you've got people who won't work for him

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All the rest of stuff why because these extremists these leftists these homosexual jihadists

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Do not believe Intolerance They are the most intolerant people on the planet the term hypocrisy is significantly too weak to describe the mindset of these individuals and so if you have

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This kind of Mindset taking this kind of activity this kind of of wild -eyed

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Crusading going on You just have to ask her what what motivates this

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Only about 3 % of the adult population professes to be homosexual 3 % so 90 the vast majority of these people are not homosexuals

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So what can explain an entire culture in a brief period of time all of a sudden?

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embracing moral evil as moral good this is as Clear as you can get a fulfillment of calling white black and black white good evil and evil good

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We are clearly in a situation now where that which is morally good is

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Being described as being morally evil. It was a morally good thing to support the definition of marriage

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That is the only meaningful definition of marriage. That is a divinely established definition of marriage

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It was a good thing to do that. Now. Look at what happens these people have have published the the names of people

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Who donated? You think any state anywhere in the United States could ever do what

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California did with Prop 8? I mean, we know that that that's irrelevant now. Anyways, we we all know that I Mean no state could ever do it for a number of reasons one.

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We all know it doesn't matter what the people say Activist judges the the oligarchy the the little kings and queens they rule now anyways, and so What the

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Constitution says what the people say we all recognize in our heart of hearts. It's irrelevant. It doesn't matter anymore

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Those words have no meaning But beyond that if anyone ever tried to get something just going who would ever give to something like this no anymore knowing

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What is what happened to the people in California? I? Gave I donated I gave money and now years later.

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I'm gonna have my head handed to me on a platter because of that It just couldn't happen anymore and it's purposeful, you know, it's purposeful it is a purposeful undercutting of the

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Process. It's an undercutting of The process itself.

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There's no question about it. No question about it so There you go

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Carl Carl Young says I'm the best and I'm just wondering what I'm the best at Because I'm I'm I can't think of anything that I'm the best at I Really can't

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I? Work hard a few things But I can always think of someone who's always a whole lot better than I am at whatever it is

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I'm trying to do that's just What life is when you're me anyways? Keep an eye on this stuff folks

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It is Going to cost us that the left wants to marginalize the left wants to silence this is the very essence of Where these people are coming from speaking of trying to silence

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I Posted a blog yesterday About Dan Barker now as I mentioned on the in the article itself

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I haven't talked much about Dan Barker for a long time. You may recall back in oh nine we played

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Hours of Dan Barker's debate with by the way now that it's got now that's dark in here the

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It looks like a blue eye because the blue thing. It's the eye. It's the blue eye of Sauron and now it's got that What it what's what spiced berry?

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Why is I'm confused? spiced What does that have to do with color

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I mean if I lick the wall will it be spicy no I Would not recommend that either and I'm not

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I'm not going to do that, but I'm just saying That really doesn't make sense Cut the colors.

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No, it's just sort of a deep orangish red That's what it is

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Just demonstrating that all the ladies in the audience are going. Oh good grief. How does his wife put up with that?

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Well, I can think of a lot of guys that probably would go Anyway, yeah,

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Arlen doesn't know either Arlen's is this a deep orange red Arlen I'm not gonna repeat that.

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Okay. All right, we're gonna move off. It's not blood red. What are you talking about? That you think that's blood red that's not blood red it was if you turn the lights off Turn the lights off it's black.

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What are you talking about? It was tough getting this paint past Eric and Cantor's guards though to get into the bunker here at Bruton Parker Did y 'all see the video of Eric and Cantor jumping into a pool and getting all his kids fully clothed to jump into a pool?

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And see ya. No, I did not see you miss that. I was on Twitter. Somebody tweeted that to me and It was in the context of somehow challenging

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Ymir Cantor to do something and the only thing I can figure out is What they were challenging him to do is to jump in a cold pool because I'm sure pools are still very cold back there

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And I guess that was what it was all about and I'd really don't understand

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What that is all about but okay, that's what they were doing. So So while we had to wait until Cantor jumped in the pool to run all the stuff by All the paint by so we can get into the end of the bunker

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As some people actually believe that that's the scary part about but anyways What was

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I saying? Oh, yes, Dan Barker Back in oh nine we were

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Preparing for you know, I've debated Barker twice once in at the University of Illinois and then once up in the

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Northwest and So I played his debates with Doug Wilson and we commented on various aspects of that and Some of you will recall that the second debate had a rather unusual beginning and Someone and I don't remember who it was

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After watching the debacle the beginning where Dan Barker objected to the moderator

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He had made his opening statement and I got up and now

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I have an opening statement now in real debates The person taking the negative

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Gets to have an opening statement. You don't have to you in fact, it's not appropriate to start rebutting the specific statements of The person before you're trying to make a positive statement and how what's the only way you can do that?

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Well, you do that based upon published materials you you make a positive statement

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My positive statement had to do with the fact that Jesus is based in Tanniatic Judaism Second Temple Judaism, that's the context of Jesus that Jesus needs to be understood in Etc, etc

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But you also if it's gonna be a meaningful debate at all Take the time to know what your opponent

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Has to say now the whole reason we had arranged this debate was because for up to that point in time at least 17 years

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Dan Barker had had a book out called godless and In it he promoted the vacuous thoroughly refuted unscholarly absurd ridiculous lunacy

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Relating to The idea that that Jesus was a myth

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That he was based upon Mithra and and all these these other ancient religious movements and things like that and so as You're supposed to do

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I had read Dan Barker's book. I had read both of his books. I had listened to his lectures and I quoted

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Dan Barker now remember He had set up a table for the freedom from religion foundation and he's selling the book in the foyer of the church

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So I start in and my presentation, of course has numerous quotations from his book

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Comparing that with the facts and making my positive statement Well, he objects

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He objects to my quoting his book. He says this isn't about my book now

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When someone says this isn't about my book What they're saying is I don't want to be held accountable for what

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I have said in public for 17 years and what I am currently saying in Published material outside that door right there.

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That's what he was saying now. I found it to be absurd childish ridiculous

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While the silliest things that's ever been done during a debate But we moved on and now that was

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I believe September of September of 2009, I think So it's been four and a half years after that debate

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Mr. Barker likes to write very long emails very long emails and So he

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Wanted to have he likes to argue about stuff. He has a lot of time Evidently to be arguing about stuff and So I Decided that it was best just to stay away from Dan Barker Now I did back in February get an email while I was in Ukraine Inviting me to debate

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Dan Barker in Madison. I Think it'd be next week And I wrote back guy.

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His name was Peter And I said, well,

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I'll be perfectly honest with you. I don't think Dan Barker would be willing to debate with real rules. I Directed him to the

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Video that had been posted years ago, which again, I don't know who came up with the name But but we called it don't quote me bro, and everybody knew what that was about It was the don't tase me bro meme that developed in our society after that guy

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Went nuts at a John Kerry thing and they dragged him to back and eventually And don't tase me bro, and everybody knew what it was it was obvious it was obvious Well somebody on Twitter Somebody on Twitter was engaging

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Dan Barker a couple days ago and did the I'm gonna add dr. Oakley 1689, which is my

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Twitter handle and Everybody always asked why is that?

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Why do you have dr. Oakley 1689? Well every Reformed Baptist knows why I have 1689 because London Baptist Confession of Faith, which is not the date it came out but anyway

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And then dr. Oakley is an old IRC Nick I've used for a long time because once I got

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LASIK I Started buying Oakley sunglasses because I had always wanted to have cool sunglasses

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And then once I got LASIK I could get cool sunglasses well unfortunately I've gone back to prescription lenses now So I have very few

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Oakley Sunglasses left because I had to sell the rest of them to be able to buy the prescription lenses But anyways for quite some time

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I've I like to have Oakley stuff I'm not worrying really not worrying any

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Oakley things right now, but Very often I am Oakley makes some really cool stuff, so that's where it comes from dr.

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Oakley 1689 so they included me into the Twitter conversation as soon as I saw Who the conversation is with I was like oh?

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Man, I don't know Cuz this guy scares me I mean not from a debate perspective

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Because he's pretty much non -reflective. He doesn't he doesn't think through Stuff very well.

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He is very intelligent guy, but he You can be very very intelligent, but not overly reflective

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He really thinks he's got it all figured out and Therefore Doesn't really listen to other other folks

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Anyways, well no the LASIK did LASIK didn't last well It was great for about three years, and then it started to decay a little bit.

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It's Basically my doctor says I have the perfect prescription now for somebody my name my age

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I'm not wearing glasses right now, and I'm functional I can I can read everything here I have progressive lenses in my glasses now, so that's sort of cool

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But I would never want to drive at night anymore. No, but that just happens. It's just it's age.

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I'm afraid anyways As I was saying I was

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I'm not afraid of his arguments I'm just afraid the fact that the freedom from religion foundation is the most litigious atheist organization on the planet

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Just Google them It's there are so many school systems and School boards that have received legal threats from FFRF for doing anything for daring to even mention the existence of religion

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United States these folks want to banish us they Remind me of the guy from the

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American Atheists back in oh I'll never forget this story. I've told before sorry for those

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I'll go sorry I know I'll go you've heard this before I'll go could tell the story, but I remember I was on the

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Tom like a show one day with Brian Lynch Oh Remember Brian Lynch.

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Oh my goodness Brian Lynch was with the American Atheists that time I have not heard a word about him forever

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Well the nastiest people you'd ever want to hear on the radio, and we were in studio together Total MPD when the microphones were not on he was

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Yes, this is a very nice studio you have I sort of like the way the lights are laid out

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It's a nice leather you have here, too, and then this microphone goes on. It's like Hate Christians, it was just like whoa.

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What is your name Legion to I mean it was just whoo really an amazing experience it's so It was them you know the one of the things that he said during the time

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I was on with him this Brian Lynch guy was Why don't all you Christians just pack up and go live on an island and leave us all alone?

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And that's what they want they want a completely secular society. They want us silenced They want no reminders of God around them.

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They're busy enough suppressing the knowledge of God as it is They don't want the rest of us walking around acknowledging

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God because it's very offensive to them see so anyway So Yes, I am aware.

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I'm sorry. I know that there's been a shooting at Fort Hood again I I think that our soldiers should get to carry guns.

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Yeah, that'd be a good idea I Maybe someday somebody will figure it out

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I feel sorry for anybody in the military anymore because unfortunately right now the people in charge the military hate the military and That's a problem

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It's real problem, but anyways yes definitely pray for those who've been hurt and injured at Fort Hood But I was telling you the story here about Dan Barker the fumes are wonderful today

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We'll just keep the keep the air running eventually it'll get all this stuff out of here, so make a long story short

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I Was looking at the Twitter, and I was like oh, man You know do I really want to get into this because what the guy had done is he was saying well

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Yeah, I remember you're the guy that objected to being quoted. Well. I didn't object to being quoted blah blah blah blah Well, I got involved in this

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Twitter conversation, and it's not long before I get an email Not long before I get an email, and I looked it up here the subject line of the email

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Show this to your attorney Okay, that's the first contact I get from to show this to your attorney.

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You know that's all these people know What Dan Barker wants to do is he he loves to get people to obey him

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To obey him we all have to think like him we have to think like him we have to agree that he's just the most brilliant man's ever walked on the planet and The I explained in the article what's what his demand was you need to make sure people know

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I never said Don't quote me, bro Really Wow, and that's why

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I called it ultra Dan Barker ultra fundamentalist this very day Because he still interprets everything as an ultra fundamentalist.

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I mean his is handling of the Bible and the text of Scripture is So sophomoric it's not even funny

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But here's a good example of you really think there is anybody I mean, it's the title of a video you watch the video and What does the video show you it shows you exactly what happened?

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Who's been making that available all this time we have amazing amazing and So I got another one today.

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I didn't even bother opening it. I just put into the notes from nuts file About I saw

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I saw the beginning of it You know how you it shows The top part of the message and then

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I could tell it was another one of those big long things I didn't bother it was about He read the article that's not enough

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I I will I will give consideration to what your next step must be Well, thank you very much, sir.

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Yes, we all serve you sir Amazing absolutely amazing stuff

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And so what I said at the end of the article and let me repeat this and I've already had a few people contact Me and say yeah, you're right

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Christian apologists stay away from this man He is not to be messed with he's saying nothing that is that is

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Insightful new anything else it is not worth your time your effort the continuation of your ministry

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To even bother with this guy just you know refute his stuff if you if you feel the need to do so as we did on the program

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But as far as actually trying to arrange anything with him Not not wise not a good thing.

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Not a good thing. Be careful. Be careful next thing ready for the for the video

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I got sent this I Got sent this link yesterday.

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Thanks Tony for ruining my day I There are certain things that Bill Craig says here that are true

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The problem is what's what's my saying theology matters and Here you have one of the perfect examples of why

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I just keep warning people over and over again you know a friend of mine was at a at a conference and Okay, someone says

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Matt Slick's gonna debate him in a few weeks now My understanding was Matt Slick was not gonna be able to debate Dan Barker's get Dan Barker demanded silliness

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So I hope Matt doesn't if he does look out and then

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Jonathan Rios Says how come you always use a different husband's name during your papal p72 story?

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Fred Bernie remember remember how you know, it's you and me at the papal treasures exhibit

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Look at this Fred this man. This man can read this a manuscript and I said

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Bernie and Fred and it's because I'm telling a story about what happened and there are actually a number of people who came up during that time and it was sort

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Of like what's he doing? Yeah, I'm sorry. I forgot to collect names when we were there.

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Yeah Well, of course the problem is now Peter Lumpkins. We'll use this as an excuse for every lie

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Eric and Kenneth ever told Well, what worse I mean someone reminded me

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I forget who it was on Twitter last night Mentioned they even quoted lump

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Lumpkins quoting me in defense of the Gospels and Telescoping and stuff like that and applying that to Eric and Kenner and I think it's one of the most evil things ever

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It shows the very same attitude that Kenner has Kenner is willing to decimate Apologetics to Muslims for his own profit and now lumpy is doing the exact same thing.

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I just repent man repent. That's evil Absolutely evil just for the record I did not actually see

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Fred Nethel there. You didn't see no no, no No, all right, but there were people that would start gathering around and and they watched what

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I was doing. Oh, yeah, I asked you Yeah, is he reading that? Uh -huh. Yeah.

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Yeah. Yeah, he's reading that Yeah, you know you look over at the security guard and and they're getting a little bit nervous

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Cuz nobody else have been reading it that day Yeah, anyways, it's been rescheduled an atheist convention well,

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I Wonder if if he's doing what they invited me to do

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Next week up in Madison because that's what I and you know the nice thing about it about these friendly

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Moral atheist folks the guy who writes to me. I take the time. I'm I'm if I recall correctly.

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I actually had to Use my thumbs to respond at one point to the atheist on my phone in the

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Frankfurt Airport Because I was between flights remember how fun my flights were on that trip.

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So I'm taking the time to respond to this guy and Once I once I respond to him

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Nothing, not even a okay or thanks or we won't use it. Nothing just Don't even acknowledge you exist.

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Yeah. Thank you atheist morals once again. Anyhow, there you go What was I saying?

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Where am I? Oh, yeah, we're back over to Bill Craig was going. Keep going. Keep going. You'll forget about me eventually

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The fumes will get to you. Eventually. It'll be okay. I Think the the lava lamp is is gonna lava pretty soon.

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I hope anyways, it's it's it's getting there It's getting it is a little warm in here though so if I have a feeling if we cranked it down a degree it might actually help it to have to do its thing, but But that's a subtle hint that it's a little warm in here

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Okay, anyhow Tony sent this to me yesterday Oh now I've got to wait for rich to get back from turning the the

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AC down No, no, don't you touch anything and he's gonna break your fingers. I assure you no The man is in control and and he's a control freak just like I am.

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There you go. He was gonna touch something rich I'm telling on him. Okay Okay Sent me this let's just let's just listen to it and and then we'll comment on it.

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Here's um, here's Bill Craig the question related to this issue of how can we trust what's being said and I guess it's a it's asking a question about Transmission to some extent the transmission of the

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New Testament. Mmm. Someone's asked very helpfully and said that you Stated in your first hour that the church put the

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Bible together And given that most denominations have emerged in the last 500 years which church

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Put the Bible together and why should we trust its authority? So I think my question is for someone who might go and pick up a

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Bible and try and investigate some of the claims that You've been talking about what can I actually trust what's written in the pages of the

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Bible now? I'm gonna stop it there for a second First of all, the lighting is horrific.

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I Mean I would really look bad in in that cuz I don't have any hair. But anyway What's the intent of this question

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I'm not sure that the that the guy asking the question really gets the idea because Since most denominations have arisen in the past 500 years.

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What church did this? Hello? It's someone trying to make an authority claim regarding Rome here pretty obvious But I don't think he got it and certainly

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Craig didn't get it It was the early Catholic Church that assembled these books around 325

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AD Really?

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Really honestly Ah How many times have we dealt with this myth

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How many times there is only one significant

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Ecclesiastical event in 325 AD and everybody knows what it was the

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Council of Nicaea and the Council of Nicaea Everyone likes this phrase.

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I'll use it again had zippity -dippity -doo -da even though I had someone in Twitter actually asked me What does zippity -dippity -doo -da mean?

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Is that yes or no? Okay had nothing zippity -dippity -doo -da to do

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With the formulation of the canon nothing If you say that the council did would you please show me?

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Some kind of original not something you got from Wikipedia Some original sources some meaningful scholarly sources

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I've done a lot of reading on Nicaea and that's not what they were thinking about It's not what they were dealing with the

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Muratorian fragment is before it Athanasius's 39th Festal letter is after it

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You've got Hippo and Carthage that's after it, but Nicaea had nothing to do with it and furthermore he said the primitive

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Catholic Church, okay, I Understand the terminology Unfortunately a lot of people today don't the men there would have called themselves the

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Catholic Church There's a question about that, but they wouldn't have had a clue what Roman Catholic meant They didn't believe in papal supremacy and papal infallibility and the

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Marian doctrines and Purgatory and all the rest of stuff that absolutely defines modern

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Roman Catholicism So if you hear the question and you know what the questioner is asking they are they're looking to establish

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Roman authority and you don't define your terms you're not really accomplishing anything and What happened canonically about about the canon in 325 good guess

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And here's another problem Remember how many times we've just know it's sort of in passing that when people ask

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Dr. Craig Who's your favorite theologian? I don't think any theologians do enough analytical philosophy to really be

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Really be relevant. So I really don't have any Well Here's a really really really good reason why that's a bad position to take

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There's been some excellent material done the canon recently, um, we had a guest here well here on the program

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Back in January. Remember? Dr. Kruger and We talked about the canon and we talked about the early church and if dr

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Craig had even listened to that program, he wouldn't have made a mistake like that But you see dr.

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Kruger, he's a historian theologian not a philosopher so we don't have to worry about that Theology matters foundations matter about 300 years after Christ these books were collected into the pages of the

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New Testament and The church left out all of these forged

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Apocryphal Gospels things like the Gospel of Peter the Gospel of Thomas the

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Gospel of Philip the Gospel of Bartholomew these forged documents only arose during the second half of the second century after Christ and then the third century and beyond now all that is true.

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No question about it What has to do with the question? I don't know Craig's pretty good at debunking the

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Gnostic Gospels. He's had you have to get good at that But what that have to do with the question the question was what church

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Established the canon no church established the canon the church was used in the recognition of the canon

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But the establishment of the canon the canon is an artifact of inspiration. That's why we emphasize these things.

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That's why we went over them with dr. Kruger and Unfortunately Dr.

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Craig hasn't hasn't read that stuff and but just just to point out one more time

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Absolutely positively and we're done with that that one. I'm gonna switch over to VLC Absolutely positively nothing happened in regards to the canon in 325

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Okay, nothing happened. Nothing happened. We got a problem Is it looking weird

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You're working on it. Okay. Well, I won't mess anything over here Yeah, a

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Turretin fan and channel was saying do you remember when Abdullah Al -Andalusi did that video regarding the canon

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And I do and After I responded to it where he was using

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Sources from six to nine hundred years after Nicaea and all these silly stories about how they left all these

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Gospels In a book in a room overnight and when they came back in the morning all the other Gospels have been knocked off the table

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But only the four Matthew Mark Luke and John were there and that's why they were selected and all this kind of silliness after I did a video exposing that that video sort of Disappeared without comment and it was gone.

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So Yeah, that's that's what happened. So Anyhow, we're ready.

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All right Shifting gears once again, we've been doing that a lot. I've been sort of chasing rabbits today, but There's a reason for that.

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I warned you me. I've worn Yes that guy um, not

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Geico a Direct TV commercial the guy, you know when you when you get cable and he ends up eating eating

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Berries and and then coming on the drug deal chasing butterflies. Yeah Don't worry,

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I'm not gonna bring that up and ask you to play it that's that would be that probably very very dangerous indeed anyway,

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I Wanted to get to this particular Video for a while. We're not gonna get it done today.

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Even the 45 minutes we have left. Yes. It is a jumbo today But One of the reasons again,

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I I Do not understand Well, I do understand.

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I'll take I'll take that back. But I but I remain somewhat puzzled By the role that Akhmed didot has in the minds of many

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Muslims today. I realized that he's one of the most popular Muslim speakers in in history and Many of them many of those involved in apologetics look to him as the one who got them interested in doing

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Apologetics and things like that. Okay, I understand all that But the fact the matter is he was not a scholar on any level and His arguments are simplistic and have been refuted over and over and over and over again and If you rely upon him and his presentations

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You are setting yourself up look at what has happened the two times I have debated a devotee of Akhmed didot who tried to use his arguments shake a wall and use of books.

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I Simply submit to you that there is not anyone anyone who could look at those two debates on any meaningful level and Go wow, those weren't anything other than just complete wipeouts because they were and It wasn't because the two individuals are dumb or stupid or anything else

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It's that the information that they're using is just that badly flawed. That's all there is so Anyway, I was sent this video from Akhmed didot and And it was sent to me via Twitter By a

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Muslim who said please listen to this with an open heart and mind I Responded with one of my rebuttals of Akhmed didot and said will you please do the same thing?

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I know that sometimes it's hard to listen to didot because of his accent But it'd be worth your effort to try to because he's answering the question of a of a

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Christian woman and I've wanted to work through his response because it actually deals with a wide range of issues in regards to Respond to Islam and again because so many

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Muslims listen to didot There's a greater probability That you will end up talking to a

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Muslim in an airport a cab a bus a plane a school That thinks like this then

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Thinks like Shabir Ali or Yusuf Ismail or someone like that now Yusuf Ismail obviously really likes

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Akhmed didot But I think if you just listen to his presentations he's had to recognize you need to modify things shall we say

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So let's start listening to it and respond to Akhmed didot to this is this is titled to all

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Christians So this is sort of a message to all Christians, let's see what he has to say, I think mr.

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Chairman My daughter there, you know has raised so many issues, you know in a brief very few minutes.

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I Don't know whether I'll be able to do justice to them all but Talking about opponents or enemies

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You see you can take this word now. I wish the question had been included

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Because I don't know what he means by opponents and enemies What he's gonna do here is talk about heathen and coffers now coffers an unbeliever and Obviously from an

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Islamic perspective when it comes to the specific confession La ilaha illallah wa muhammadun rasool Allah we as Christians are coffers we do not believe in In a

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Unitarian God and that Muhammad is a prophet We are believers

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Because we believe God exists and the Quran does say that we worship the same God I feel we've addressed that one a number of times before But as far as the specific

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Confession that one is required to make To enter into paradise

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We do not do that and of course we say that one must confess

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Jesus Christ To have eternal life and forgiveness of sins no matter what one's quote -unquote religious background is that God has revealed himself

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Specifically in Christ and has provided means of salvation specifically in him so We approach each other in as in a similar fashion in that way the sense that the

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Christian is using it He is calling as heathens If you read the books written by your own people and say how lost are the heathen, you know, he well

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Okay, I'm sure you'll find lots of books In the past it just looked at the entire

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Muslim world as the heathen world sadly, there are a lot of evangelicals today and again

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Who do you know who has tried to get Christians to recognize the difference between different kinds of Muslims To recognize that there are believing

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Muslims who are who strive to actually Hear what is being said and then are believing

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Muslims who don't strive to hear what's being said And then there are nominal Muslims and there are violent

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Muslims And there's all sorts of mixtures of different kinds of Muslims because there's all sorts of different kinds of people who call themselves

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Christians, too That would be me try it anyways So are there lots of evangelicals that don't make those distinctions

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Yeah, definitely and see I've I actually am probably not quite as strident in My responses or at least my views of DDOT Today as I was a year ago

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You know why because I've been to South Africa What does that mean because I've seen the state of the church in South Africa and so I've had to recognize

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What did DDOT see? What was represented to DDOT as Christianity?

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And when you think about it, I Mean he's about to mention Jimmy Swaggart. You could call him his friend

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Jimmy Swaggart and you and I just go But how's he supposed to know

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Turn on a television and what are you gonna see at least back then? So Yeah, anyway, they mean kafirs and who are they all that are not

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Christians are heathens Kafirs we unbelievers. I know that you wouldn't consider as unbelievers, but this is what your people say

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My friend Jimmy Swaggart, you know, I'm listening to his talk on the video and he says

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He says I love you all all But he says if you do not accept

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Jesus Christ as your personal Savior as your God and Lord you are not my brother Then what am

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I he said you're not my brother he repeats So I said look Okay Do you when you say if you say that I'm your brother, what do you mean by that?

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I've heard a lot of Muslims In a number of the debates I've heard people use the phrase brothers in humanity

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Okay. Yeah, we're all human beings. So we're brothers in humanity But is it what would

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I call even the kindest Muslim? I know my brother in faith. No and How could you as a believing

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Muslim call me a brother in faith? When you know that absolutely central

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To my worship of God every single day absolutely central and Definitional is the worship of Jesus Christ That I worship

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God Triune God Father Son and Holy Spirit How can given your understanding it may be a misunderstanding but given your understanding

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We're not brothers in worship. Are we I Think a person who recognizes this is

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In a better position to actually understand what we're saying understand what the real issues are. I I think we're actually communicating better when we when we

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Know what our disagreements are than when we don't

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So anyway These are rhetorics. You can also pass by statements also as a reply

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But coming to the main point You see about every being born everybody born in sin

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I said this is the okay here we go now fundamental to any understanding of the gospel is first your theology

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What you believe about God? Who God is how God exists what his purposes are his holiness his justice his law

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Secondly Anthropology what you believe about man? Do you believe man is creating the image of God?

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Do you believe that? Man is a fallen creature. What was the nature of that fall?

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What is the effect and result of? that fall vitally important elements and Muslims and Christians have fundamental and an

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Important differences most would struggle to explain why the the theology differences are overly important because most

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Christians haven't really thought through unfortunately Why it is that the gospel is

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Trinitarian and how that matters? but As far as the nature of man goes at least most people can understand hmm what you're saying about Man in his fallen state and whether man is a sinner from birth or not yeah, that's vitally important and we and Muslims do not agree on this and Sadly the

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Muslims will agree with certain Christians people call themselves Christians But certainly not with the biblical presentation of anthropology

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Christian concept We do not believe so and the Bible doesn't teach so You see in the book of Luke First chapter

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Elizabeth and her husband you read that twice Elizabeth. It says was sinless

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No, it does not say that does not say she was sinless

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Going by what God's law required of sinners

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Fulfilling God's law offering the proper sacrifices

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Being complete in that way does not make you sinless any fair reading of Scripture Will lead you to those texts

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That will speak of the sinfulness of the hearts of men that man goes astray from his youth that the psalmist recognizes that even his conception is

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Something that takes place in the realm of sin the fallenness of man is a clear

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Old Testament revelation and So it's not contradicted in Luke.

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And so when Luke talks about someone being righteous He's not saying sinless If you talk about someone even being perfect That's perfect in their obedience

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Not to all of God's moral law. They've already fallen in that but into the to the

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Prescriptions that God has given in his law But it's not sinless you won't find the word sinless anywhere use of Jesus Not used of these individuals and her husband

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Zechariah was sinless wrong Jesus speaks about able is there from righteous able to Zechariah you

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Righteous able okay, you people are described as being righteous. That doesn't mean sinless Does not mean sinless and Interesting enough that very text that he quotes

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Helps to define the Old Testament text, but that's another issue. We cannot get into right now Who the

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Jews He did he say righteous Did he say righteous is in your book?

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If he says righteous that means he was what was speaking with a tiny cheek He was bluffing the people if he said righteous then they must have been righteous.

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So you say everybody is a sinner I said, look, why should you you know, label everybody with the same brush paint everybody with the same brush

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You have no right to do that and God Almighty tells us in the Bible in the book of Ecclesiastes He says he the

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Lord had made man upright But he had sought out many inventions. He's Wow.

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You don't want it now There is D dot saying that Ecclesiastes is inspired scripture

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That's interesting I'm gonna have to ask some of my friends in South Africa about that because Ecclesiastes has some of the clearest testimony concerning the sinfulness of man that I can imagine but There is

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Akhmadida quoting from Ecclesiastes all your concoctions your creation.

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He didn't make you so if he created as a sinner Then what right has he to expect us to get up and walk straight now now you see the error that he just made

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Again D dot with all due respect Had very little interaction.

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Well, let me take that back D dot had very little sound knowledge of Christianity it's not that he didn't have opportunity to interact with sound

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Christians John Gilchrist was around but His representations of the

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Christian faith are very frequently extremely poor and inaccurate Extremely poor and inaccurate and you

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Muslims and I know who you are that are watching and listening. You've got to understand when you see this kind of Constant error on his part.

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It's it's really hard to go. Yeah, but he was really good over there. Well, okay. No, no This is just a standard type of problem

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With Akhmadida. If I'm born a sinner I'm weighted down with the lodestone of sin and he wants to expect me to walk straight

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I say he's unjust. Now again, he's unjust. Did God create Adam as a sinner? No Did Adam fall?

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Yes. Are we all raised to Adam? Yes What's the argument of Romans chapter 5 if you're in Adam you get all that Adam gives to you

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Which is death if you're in Christ to get life the two humanities. I mean it's But but the idea well he he created us as sinners that's not what we said

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He created us in Adam and Adam fell federal headship Now we can make an argument that that even transfers over into various of the

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Hadith stories, but we won't sidetrack ourselves with that He's unjust the

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God who explodes me up you load your little child and the commands straight up straighten up You've got a soldier's have a sack on his back, you know, you're four -year -old or five -year -old and the poor fellow is almost, you know

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You see how sort of? Entertaining he is, you know, this this kind of thing communicates to people no matter how inaccurate it is

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The biblical presentation and by the way, I I looked it up Ecclesiastes 720 Surely there is not a righteous man on earth who does good and never sins

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That's the same book he quoted from Why not quote that? Well, I guess he's not even aware that was there wasn't aware that it was there

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Surely there is not a righteous man earth who does good and never sins Ecclesiastes 720 There's the testimony of that particular book

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But what is the biblical presentation not that man not that man is some innocent little child that God's loading rucksacks on That man loves his sin

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That man Walks away from God that man Does not want to come to the light that man wants to dwell in darkness that the man is spiritually dead that I mean all

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These different pictures that are used for the rebellious nature of man. He didn't understand that Meeting the ground and he said why don't you stand up straight and walk?

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Since we are unjust we'll say you're a lunatic God Almighty if he does the same thing to us also may describe as a lunatic.

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You see this idea of sin inherited This is Christianity you talk about the original sin the sin came into the world

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But the Bible doesn't say that in the book of Ezekiel. God says the soul that sinneth it shall die

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Now again now you can see why so many times in the past we've dealt with Ezekiel chapter 18

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Ezekiel chapter 33 Because again, you're watching the man that most

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Muslims have watched when it comes to their preparation to Talk to you.

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They're thinking they're thinking he's the one to look to I don't think I know I don't have it on this

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Off I if I had my other laptop up I Have a picture that Rudolph bush off took for me at the debate in the masjid in Erasmus and There was a guy sitting there and stuck into his pocket was

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D dots book What combat kit was that what it was it's a book for dealing with Christians and it's this kind of stuff is

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If the Bible doesn't teach that well it most assuredly does oh Well, what we can throw out a couple of these texts, you know, it's funny many of my

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Muslim friends Will get upset when the Quran is quoted if you don't quote it in the way that they understand it

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Now I would agree you should at least know how if there is a unanimous Muslim understanding of a particular text

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But obviously to me the most important thing is are you quoting it in context and in the way that the author? Would have intended it to be understood.

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But anyways, but when it comes to quote in the Bible, man, all rules are off You can just simply throw anything out there you want

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I'm not gonna spend the time right now doing it. But if you go to my youtube page, dr.

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Oakley 1689 You will find and just search on Ezekiel 18

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You will find an entire Wednesday evening service, well

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Wednesday evening devotional that I did at Phoenix Reformed Baptist Church on that particular text

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Specifically because of its misuse by a lot of folks Who say well the soul of sins dies.

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There's there's no there's no relationship between what your ancestors done Ezekiel 18 is about specific proverb and the specific proverb was being thrown back in in Face of well, actually both

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Jeremiah and Ezekiel seem to have been running into the exact same thing but the proverb was about Eating the sour grapes and the children's teeth have been set on edge and the idea was look our parents did this stuff and The judgment that's come

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Hmm Y 'all see that Okay, we're gonna have to use a different chair next because all of a sudden

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I thought now it's a little person I I put took took some weight off the where'd he go?

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Where'd he go? Yeah, that would be pretty interesting Anyways, the idea being that our parents

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Committed these sins we're now being judged for these sins and Therefore Repentance is irrelevant for us because the sin we're being judged for was our parents sin.

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So why should we repent? So they were using this proverb as an excuse not to repent

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It's not the Bible does not say that there is not an effect My sin impacts those that come after me.

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There's no question about that But the proverb was being used by the people who themselves were sinning as a

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Excuse to avoid the call to repentance This is really weird.

01:04:45

I'm looking out through the window here and we have have a studio audience today and It's it's definitely the 21st century because just now

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I looked out and both of them I don't have I don't have my cell phone with me, but both of them are sitting there You know tapping away doing there, you know, you know, this is this is the new man, you know

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Look at the creation. No, I'm just looking at my phone. It's just how things how things are.

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Yeah, that's just really weird anyway, so that's what Ezekiel 18 is about and Akhmed did

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I has no concern about Harmonizing his interpretation of this text with any other text

01:05:26

Inconsistency once again before yes, every Christian preacher lecturer evangelist quotes this and he puts a full stop

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He puts a full stop in a verse which has no full stop See where is supposed to be a comma or a semicolon the

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Christian puts a full stop the soul that sinneth It shall die then he takes you out from there into Corinthians Philippians Galatians and everyone has sinned

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So everyone dies unless somebody actually it would be Romans 3 Romans 5

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Etc, etc comes along and redeems him of that curse. I The son shall not be the iniquity of the father

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Neither shall the father be the iniquity of the son father Adam He made a mistake mother

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Eve made a mistake and they paid more than the full price made a mistake

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Made a mistake. No, I'm trying to remember where that's found the Bible.

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I don't remember that one If somebody goes and plucks some fruits in your garden they were told not to what do you do

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You chase the child out. You might give it a spanking But now you follow that child up his children and his children is grand great -grandchildren for eternity

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Can you imagine a God like that a Shiloh now think about think think about what he just did

01:06:49

Think about what you just did Anybody think I wonder how many in the audience Thought of the exact same illustration of a

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Christian Who makes the same type of gross error,

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I mean, it's a gross error Paralleling the rebellion of Adam and Eve Two little children stealing fruit from a orchard.

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Oh, it's just a little petty thing just a little petty thing You're talking about two

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Perfect human beings who are in perfect harmony with God. They walked with God they had absolutely perfect knowledge of his will for them and in light of that and without all the other complications of a fallen nature

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Rebelled against his will for them That's not little children stealing fruit

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Now I could argue from some hadith sources that even didot is not representing what

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Muhammad taught on this but again Not gonna get into that right now But who makes a very similar argument that I've talked about a number of times remember the geyser story in the potter's freedom

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Remember in chosen but free the idea of the three little boys the three boys that go swimming in the swimming hole and You know

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God only rescues one of them and lets the other two drown as if the violation of God's law is nothing more than just jumping in the old swimming hole theology matters and This is not just an anthropological issue.

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This isn't isn't just looking at the doctrine of man what was really behind this is a very viewed doctrine of God very low doctrine of God and God's holiness and the nature of Human sin and rebellion and believe me.

01:08:53

It's far more probable far more probable that mankind is Going to Minimize the seriousness of sin then he's going to overemphasize it worse than a

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Shylock Adam and Eve they sinned So God takes them out of the garden.

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I'm asking is that not punishment enough Then he curses them that you woman you must bear children in pain and suffering labor

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For what you have done and man You must sweat for your bread and we are all sweating and you are laboring as a result of what

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Adam and Eve did It's not is that not enough? No, not for this Shylock of a God that you convey to us.

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He goes on now that every human have you noticed this is a Very offensive.

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He doesn't care about being offensive. I mean, I wonder how many of you Muslims Would take it real well if Christian apologists were using this kind of language of Allah because that's what he did

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At the beginning of 1986 we were 4 .8

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billion human beings on earth and Everyone goes to hell since the Christian for what for the original sin

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Not just original sin Because every single one is a sinner and every single one loves their sin and Nothing unclean shall enter into the presence of God This is again.

01:10:26

This takes us back to the the masjid in Erasmus and what did I say in Islam you have a fundamental disjunction between Allah and His nature as a holy

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God because in Islam God's law can be violated There's no propitiation.

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There is no setting right of the law There is no demonstration of God's holiness and the salvation of a specific people holiness justice and the nature of God cut apart

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Cut us under because you have no concern about the fulfillment of that law that law which is an expression of his holy nature

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That's the main problem as I see it with Islamic Soteriology unless you believe in Christ, I'm asking did he ask you my sister before eating that Did Eve ask you so what's he actually attacking here

01:11:31

He is attacking the concept of the fairness of federal representation Now again,

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I Could point out That you can make a fairly decent argument that this was not

01:11:45

Muhammad's view There is a hadith where Adam and Moses get into an argument and Moses makes the accusation and it is it is clear that this is an acceptable accusation that we are all in the state of What we are in because of what

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Adam did So But again it

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It makes for good showmanship Did Adam ask you before eating the apple? No, then

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I said, how can God hold you responsible? Is he a lunatic? Is he a lunatic? That's not overly meaningful theological argumentation it's offensive and again to the

01:12:33

Muslims watching How often do you get offended

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When a Christian is just as bold as D dot is but in this case based upon ignorance

01:12:49

Do you have a do you have a say at the same standard here? Does does this offend you for him to utilize this language?

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Is he a lunatic? You know if it doesn't and then you're not offended when people say strong things about Islam.

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Okay, fine. You're being consistent But if you get offended Like many of my debate opponents have gotten offended if you just dare say for example

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If you dare say no, I do not believe Muhammad was a true prophet. Oh I'm a

01:13:16

Christian if I believed he was a true prophet. I wouldn't be a Christian. I mean, come on and Here he's saying that our representation of God is

01:13:25

God's a lunatic Hmm, okay This God of ours is your lunatic

01:13:32

He's gonna hold me responsible for what Adam and Eve did when I was not consulted I don't know if you were consulted by Eve then you have a right to be cursed

01:13:41

What kind of a God is this so he says Says the now notice how long we've been on this this is something that I've all has always made dealing with D dot different difficult on the dividing line because we only have so much time and If you recall we went through his entire presentation on Muhammad in the

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Bible and there would be times it was just sort of like Okay, yeah, we get could you get to the point it's been 20 minutes you could literally make most of D dots points in 30 seconds and it takes him five minutes to do it because he's doing the audience

01:14:20

Showmanship stuff he's getting people to laugh and and say it's great way to Get people to agree with you and to like you

01:14:30

It's not overly easy to review theologically And the father shall not bear the iniquity of the son the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him

01:14:38

Whatever good thing the good man does he gets his reward and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him But if the wicked will turn now again

01:14:48

All these hadith stories are running across my mind and one of them that Some of my

01:14:54

Muslim friends don't like but it's there in Sahih Muslim is the repeated

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Statement in a number of different hadith and in fact in even in hadith could see

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That the sins of the Muslims are placed upon Jews and Christians who bear them into hell

01:15:17

I Don't know that I've ever heard D dot quote that and I From all the things that he has committed and do that which is lawful and right he shall surely live he shall not die

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Did you read that in your Bible? Do you read that in your Bible book of Ezekiel? chapter 20

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Now it's hard to hear her but she has said righteousness Is is also a free gift from God she the lady knew what she was talking about it.

01:15:52

I appreciate it Amen we had an

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Orthodox lady in the audience. Thank you sister. All right And you compare my sister look you see the

01:16:11

Christian world Has really gone down the drain according to Jimmy Swaggart According to his books.

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You must excuse me. What does that have to do with what she just said? Okay the

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Christian world what's the Christian world I Mean, yeah I I could say the

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Christian world has gone down the drain if Depending on how you define what the Christian world is if you mean people who call themselves

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Christians nominal Christians of You could say the exact same thing about nominal

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Muslims What does that have to do with what the lady said read them? If you haven't got them, you must get them on follow me homosexuals get that on Pornography get it on incest get it on alcohol get it and he's telling you

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America. He's telling America He says America. I says God must judge you.

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I wonder if this was before Swaggart's fall. I have a feeling it probably was Before before the

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The hotel incident. Yeah, and then the crying incident and stuff like that.

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And if he doesn't Is that he might have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah for what he did to them?

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This is Jimmy Swaggart talking Jimmy Swaggart. This is where you have gone after 2 ,000 years of Christianity Look, you're

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Sodomite here in New York You have 1 million more women than men if every man in New York gets married

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There'll be 1 million women who can't get husbands. Yeah, and Out of your manpower you have here one third are gays

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Sodomites one Really it seems a little one third of New York a little little high there

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I Catch something here.

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If you're wondering what what are you babbling about? I'll never forget back in 2008

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When I did those debates in Southern California and We did some debates at one location then we had to drive to a

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Calvary Chapel Where I actually debated Farhan Qureshi And we drove in the vehicle with Osama Abdullah who

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I debated the night before and We were arguing in the car

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George was driving and One of the things he commented about was

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America is a Christian nation and I said You mean seriously?

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You think you think that this nation takes very seriously the

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Bible is the Word of God and and and And things like that I said if one in ten of The people driving by us right now on these highways was a real

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Christian. I would be shocked. I'd be overjoyed I rejoice by be shocked and from his perspective he just couldn't couldn't hear that a nation is a religion and So if you see all these as he's putting it sodomites in The United States evidently this took place in New York.

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He just said here in New York If you've got a bunch of homosexuals in New York, that means that Christianity allows for homosexuality.

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That's the mindset It's it's hard to reason with that you you sometimes have to come up with some interesting ways of getting around it and Illustrating the foolishness of it, but that's the reasoning you're getting here women in America the men

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If every man in America got married There will still be 7 .8 million who can't get husband and we know every man will never get married

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You know that for so many reasons So there are about 20 million more women in America who can't get husband 20 million who can't get husband.

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What's the solution? Hallelujah. Hallelujah. What's wrong with you? Are you sick? The person is hungry

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He's a hallelujah and his stomach will be filled the woman. She needs man and you say hallelujah and her Great What does any of this have to do with anything

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I don't know I Don't know. I mean is he talking about the book of James, you know

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You know, let your deeds and your words be the same as them. I don't think so Is he saying that somehow the church is supposed to clean this up in some way

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What if God is judging a nation what if God's bringing judgment again just a completely

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Disconnected Understanding on on D dot's part here and this is supposed to be to all Christians is supposed to be a message to all of us

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You had 44 million thought the 55 million according to Jimmy Swaggart what?

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With all your born -again, you're Billy Graham in his book how to be born again So if you've got 55 million alcoholics in the

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United States with all these born -again Yeah, and Connection is the logical thing here is what?

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Again, he does not understand regeneration doesn't understand justification to stand with the Bible's teaching and as a result just the

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The statements are at times just incoherent He says there are 75 million born -again

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Christians in America 75 million that's about one third. Is it one third of your population?

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That's generous one third of your nation is born -again Immaculate the spirit is in them immaculate.

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I can't be tempted the old you can't be tempted what? That says is now left behind.

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You are a new you now your new person 75 million

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One third and it doesn't affect the population You know Jesus said a little leaven leaven at the whole

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You need a little yeast to ferment the loaf if one third of your bread is yeast and if it doesn't ferment the loaf

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There's something wrong with your yeast or something wrong with your flour So if you've got and again, you know

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The real problem here is using Jimmy Swaggart as a source of anything Especially of numbers, but the idea is well the more

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Christians you have in this society Then the better the off society be well,

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I would agree which is why I think that number is absurd but what's more than that is

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I will first one who will talk about and agree with the fact that Silent Christians or Compromised Christians or everything anything else that are not salt and light

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Are not going to have an impact on their world. That's exactly what the world around us wants They want to silence us and I don't know when this was this looks like it was probably what?

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88 90 yeah somewhere around in there. Okay. Yeah. When did when did

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Swaggart fall? I forget What that was but anyway, so it's it's late 80s early 90s somewhere around there

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It has to be before 96 this is just put that way The idea is well

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The Christians are going to somehow Leaven the whole lump. Now, of course, that's not what Jesus is talking about.

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Was it? Jesus was talking about the teaching the Pharisees So that's a misapplication

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But it would be wonderful to see an ever -increasing number of believers because it would have a positive impact

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But the reality is the numbers in that day were declining Comparatively speaking not increasing and we have certainly seen that happening a lot what

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What oh, okay has to be before 1988, okay

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And that's what's going on. That's that's what's going on here So it's a it's a bad argument all the way around mainly because you're using

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Jimmy Swaggart to to make your arguments But we're almost I got farther through that and I thought I would there's more to talk about after this

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I'm just gonna make a mark as to how far I got through this. We'll continue that in a in a future program

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Maybe I'm not sure when The next program is we're just gonna hit it again tomorrow.

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Just make up for it tomorrow. Okay? That's what we'll do. Maybe we'll finish it up because there's only

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I'm not sure how many minutes there's there is left But it looks like there's only about four minutes left So we might be able to sneak that in as well and maybe even take some phone calls tomorrow and get some of these fumes out to Phones.

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Yeah. Yeah. Well, I'm sure why I had that didn't change. He didn't even touch that And we'll well look see it started it almost it almost it almost became a lava lamp, but not quite

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It's it's trying to to to do its lava thing But we'll we'll have the lava lamp warmed up better for y 'all next time around and I'm sure that maybe there'll be some new things on the shelf back there and Maybe some maybe some hanging things on the wall there

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Maybe okay. We'll see. We'll see. Anyways, thanks for listening to the dividing line today I Appreciate all the work that went into the into the room here.

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There'll be more to come In the future who knows what's gonna be back there the next time you tune in Lord willing tomorrow probably around the same time