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    Pro-life Leaders Resist Abolition in Louisiana(Proof)

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    Join us for the newest episode of Apologia Radio. We just returned from Louisiana after we helped with a historic bill(HB813). The bill made it to the floor and was ultimately defeated by the Pro-Life establishment. Why? Watch and find out. Please take a minute to visit our sponsor AR500 at: armoredrepublic.com. Be sure to like, share, and comment on this video. You can get more at http://apologiastudios.com : You can partner with us by signing up for All Access. When you do you make everything we do possible and you also get our TV show, After Show, and Apologia Academy, etc. You can also sign up for a free account to receive access to Bahnsen U. We are re-mastering all the audio and video from the Greg L. Bahnsen PH.D catalogue of resources. This is a seminary education at the highest level for free. #ApologiaStudios Follow us on social media here: Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ApologiaStudios/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/apologiastudios/?hl=en

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    So excuse my voice. It's unfortunate for this very important show. I know my voice sounds like I've swallowed sandpaper, but we have just returned from that historic moment in Louisiana, and I know many of you were praying for us.
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    You participated. You called these legislators, and you said, Do your duty before God.
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    It meant so much, and we're going to need you next time. Can I just say one thing about that? I don't think that, you know, if you think that that was a small thing that you did, sending an email to your representatives, let me tell you something.
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    You directly took part in the discipleship of the nations. You had a direct part in the
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    Great Commission with us in proposing godly, righteous, and consistent legislation. And when you push that send button to send that email to the representative to establish justice and to do the right thing, you are taking part in exactly what
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    Christ commands you to do. Even if you weren't physically present at the rally, weren't able to be there, you were doing
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    Great Commission work by picking up the phone and calling the legislator and telling them to do what God commands them to do.
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    So praise God for you all. Yeah, and you were pressing the crown rights of Jesus Christ. Never forget that the gospel proclamation comes with, within it, the proclamation of the lordship of Jesus Christ.
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    And so when you go to legislators and you press them to be consistent, obey
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    God, obey God's word, you're pressing the crown rights of Jesus Christ. You're acknowledging the lordship of Jesus Christ over them.
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    I mean, we can say Jesus is king of kings and lord of lords, but in a moment like this, you showed it.
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    You showed it. You said you have to obey God rather than men. You must obey Jesus. And so I want to say thank you so much to all of you who are part of this with us, and we're going to need you again.
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    We're going to need you again. And I know that somebody might say, well, I feel really discouraged because these people who said that they were pro -life, that they believe that life begins at conception, they actually fought against the bill.
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    You know, it's an amazing thing, and I want to give you this very true statement, and you need to embrace it.
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    We've been saying it for years, but all glory to God, because of what happened in Louisiana, we've got their names on the dotted line telling the world what their doctrine truly is.
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    The pro -life industry and establishment, these pro -life legislators, they killed the bill of abolition of abortion in the state of Louisiana.
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    The pro -choice industry did not need to get involved.
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    Aside from a few isolated shrieks. Yeah, I mean, we had two people at the Capitol that day, two pro -choicers that were shrieking.
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    One was applauding when we were talking about the murder of children. She was hooting and hollering like, yes, yes.
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    She was excited about it. I wish the legislators there would have actually seen that, because there's the pro -life industry's victim hooting and hollering and just reveling in the fact that she would be able to murder her child.
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    That's the truth. Everyone who was there witnessed it. But the pro -life establishment actually did the heavy lifting, did the heavy lifting for the pro -choice establishment in the state of Louisiana.
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    The pro -choice establishment did not need to fight, because they realized the pro -life industry, they've got this for us.
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    And that's the truth. I am not being hyperbolic. And I said that a lot over the last week. I think over the last couple of years, when we've been saying, look, as a
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    Christian church, as ministers of the gospel, this establishment does not hold to our doctrine. They don't hold to the
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    Bible. They don't hold to the authority of Christ. They are not gospel -centered. They do not believe the biblical worldview.
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    We've been saying it. We've been saying they've been killing every bill of equal protection we've put into all the states. We've been saying it.
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    And I recognize, I'll be humble enough to admit, I recognize you might sound fringe. You might sound tinfoil hat.
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    You might sound like you're just being hyperbolic. And now, brothers and sisters, all glory to God, now you know we weren't being hyperbolic.
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    That is, of course, until you saw the letter signed by over 70 pro -life organizations that specifically said, don't support this type of legislation because of the second victim narrative, the woman being a victim, all of that.
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    We're gonna show all of that. Seeing it in print, seeing them sign off on it. We're not talking about vague organizations.
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    We're talking about national organizations. And of course, there's harmony between them and the lower entities.
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    But when you see it in print, it's really something to behold. We're gonna give you inside information in this show.
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    I hope you share this show. It's very, very important that you do get the word out. We're gonna share things behind the scenes that we have not said publicly yet.
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    And you're going to hear things about Representative Seaball and Representative Ivey that I'm sure that they wouldn't want people to know.
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    And Representative Seaball and Ivey, I wanna encourage you to listen and to be humble enough to listen to what we have to say today and to the refutations of your position.
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    As a matter of fact, you were lying. Lying on the floor. And the fact of the matter is, you know that you were lying on the floor because I talked to you.
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    Bradley Pierce talked to you. Zack Lautenschlager talked to you. Behind closed doors, and we refuted all the arguments you were using on the floor.
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    Up and down and sideways. Two days before you actually went to the floor with those same lies and same bogus arguments.
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    And I would actually invite Representative Ivey. Come on the show. Come on the show and defend your position.
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    Defend the things you said on the floor. See if you're courageous enough to actually defend what you said on the floor under cross -examination.
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    It's one thing to do it on the House floor during a vote. It's another thing to do it here with us on this show.
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    You were all given sheets with refutations of all of the objections to the bills.
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    They were sitting on the desks of the people on the floor that day. And you continued to perpetuate a lie.
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    And so in many ways, Representative Seaball, Representative Ivey, you are responsible for the death of every single child in Louisiana from the day that you resisted this bill onward.
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    It is on your hands. You are directly responsible because you worked behind closed doors and in secret meetings to convince people not to pass the bill that Representative Seaball, you told me you did believe in.
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    You were the man that said about the bill in the hearing, absolutely. Absolutely.
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    And I brought that up to you in a secret meeting, didn't I? Behind closed doors. Our little meeting. I brought it up to you that you said absolutely because you saw the bill.
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    You knew that it was consistent with what you professed to believe. And you said you only got into politics to do one thing and that was end abortion.
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    You had tears in your eyes with me. And then two days later, two days later,
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    Representative Judas stuck a knife in the back of Danny McCormick on the floor and you repeated the same bogus arguments that were refuted to your face two days earlier.
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    And so we're calling you out. We're calling you out. We're going to make sure everyone in Louisiana knows about your compromise and the fact that you, the two of you, are specifically responsible for killing the bill of justice in the state of Louisiana.
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    So you're saying it wasn't an issue of ignorance. No. It's culpable. Got it. It's culpable and we're going to go into that today.
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    And on the show today, speaking of loving your neighbor, Pastor Luke is actually with us, but he is not live sitting next to us because he's trying to love his neighbors because in Arizona right now, we've got the allergy attacks.
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    We've got also a flu going around Arizona that's pretty treacherous. And we've also got some kind of stomach issue that's been going around for like two months.
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    And so he's at home right now because of the potential of that sickness. And so he's loving his neighbor.
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    He's quarantining, but not government ordered. No. It was personal. He did it of his own free will.
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    It was self -government. That's right. Pastor Luke, what's up? It's really strange being on this side of the
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    Zoom call. Yeah. And actually, I honestly think my daughter is dehydrated, which is another issue right now in Arizona.
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    It's a big issue right now, yeah. It's crazy. I was talking to my wife today because I was trying to figure out what to do. I think she's okay, but I wanted to be safe just because of the stomach bug that's so nasty right now.
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    But have you guys noticed how many people have been getting hit with dehydration? I mean,
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    I've been here 15 years, and I don't ever remember it being this bad. We have people at church almost passing on because they're dehydrated.
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    Yeah. It happened last night. I've been taking my son to a historic
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    Japanese Jiu -Jitsu and Judo class. Actually, to Jude's in it too with Stellar, Pastor Zach's son.
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    And in the class last night, in his class, one of the kids started having a spell because he was super dehydrated.
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    Sweating all over each other. Oh, yeah. But it wasn't that bad. It was just the class wasn't crazy.
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    It shouldn't have happened like that. But yeah, I saw it last night in a class as well. I was working on my computer on,
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    I think it was Monday, and I saw a thing pop up at the bottom, and it said extremely high
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    UV warning or something. I was like, what the heck is that? I've never even heard of that.
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    So I'm looking it up, and I guess the UV levels have been just highly dangerous.
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    So anyways, just to add to the treachery of this show between the treacherous -
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    Politicians. Things we got to deal with health -wise here in Arizona and the treachery going on in Louisiana House of Representatives.
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    Yeah. So, yeah. Let's get to it, guys. So I want to say to everybody who's listening, very important, we're going to say things today that specifically relate to an industry, to an establishment that needs to be confronted as the
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    Christian church. Yeah. That's the clearest thing I can say is that what we're saying about this industry and their doctrine, because it is doctrine -
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    Most definitely. It's what they teach people, is not that we don't like that or we have a different methodology we've come up with.
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    We just think it's better. We want to try to run this play. We're ministers of the gospel. We're Christians, and what we've been trying to sound the alarm about to the
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    Christian church, to fellow pastors, maybe like some of you who are watching right now, is that we have to understand that this industry has robbed women of the hope of the gospel.
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    Yes. Because it tells them, as a part of their formal doctrine that they've signed on to, their formal doctrine is that the woman who has an abortion, who actually brings her child to the abortionist to have that child dismembered, decapitated, and disemboweled, that woman, and of course the man with her, who's helping her do it, they bear no guilt.
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    There is no shame. There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are under the pro -life establishment, if you're a woman.
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    There is no condemnation. There is no guilt. There is no shame. Now I'm going to just direct this quickly to -
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    We have a lot to go over today. We're going to show you clips and videos and all the rest. I want to speak directly to pastors for a moment.
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    I'm a minister of the gospel. I'm a pastor. I'm not a perfect man. I'm not a perfect pastor.
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    I don't have all the answers. I'm not the reference point. Okay? Let's put that out there. Nobody here wants to be a celebrity.
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    Nobody here is a rock star. We are just Christians from a relatively small church in the valley in Arizona who are trying to approach this explicitly as Christians with the gospel.
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    We're trying to take what we preach on Sanctity of Life Sunday into the public square and to the legislature.
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    We're not trying to have two sides of our mouths where we speak against this issue in church with the gospel.
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    We call it what it is, murder. And we tell women there is hope in Jesus Christ and forgiveness and there is washing and there is freedom and there is peace if you turn from this sin that you've committed to Jesus Christ.
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    We know we, as ministers, pastors, you know that you've sat in the same rooms that I have with women who have had not just one but two and three and four abortions and you have poured your heart into these women with the verses that God promises salvation and forgiveness and peace.
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    You've poured those into those women. You say you can turn from that to Christ. You can be forgiven and washed and Jesus says it's finished and it's all washed away.
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    Take your guilt and your shame to Christ. You know you sat in those same rooms just like me. Maybe you're sitting in one today.
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    It's going to happen. If you're a pastor, if you're a minister in this country, it's going to happen to you. It will. Now, I want you to understand that the pro -life establishment says officially, their doctrine is that what you said to her in the counseling room was not true.
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    She does not need the forgiveness of Christ for her abortion because she is herself a victim.
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    She bears no guilt. She bears no shame. There is nothing that she has done where she needs forgiveness because she is herself a victim.
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    Now, brothers, we've been saying that for years. Now, that issue is the supreme issue.
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    What does God say about abortion? And what hope do we have for women who have had them? We would say it's the gospel.
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    Christ forgives the sin of abortion. Now, if you're a minister of the gospel, you're probably saying, yes, Jeff, get to the point. Well, here's the point.
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    The pro -life establishment, they don't believe that. They don't believe she's guilty at all. She bears any guilt and she should never be seen as guilty for an abortion.
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    That's what they believe. We're going to prove it to you. We've been saying it for years. And brothers and sisters, it's not just a quote -unquote gospel issue in the church because that nefarious doctrine that they believe, that anti -Christian, anti -gospel doctrine they believe moves its way from the conversation to the church and it goes to the legislators and they said, no, no, no.
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    You can't pass a bill of equal protection that says that it's human from conception and deserves equal protection. The legislators in Louisiana go, wait,
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    I thought that's what we believed in. And they go, well, yes, but we don't want equal protection as if we want the mother to be seen as guilty.
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    She, you see, is a victim just like the baby. And so what happens is this false, anti -Christian, anti -consistent, irrational belief that they have that you wouldn't see in any other category of crime and sin in the nation.
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    They've just created it to try to placate to the culture, to try to placate to the woman, to try to make friends with the world.
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    And now that doctrine has moved its way to the legislature to kill the bill that they said they believed in.
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    What do I mean by that? And I'll shut up and kick it over to you guys. They believe, they teach, they raise funds with the belief that what's in the womb is human from conception, fully human.
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    They argue that, they say it's sacred, it must be protected. So that's why, friends, brothers and sisters, when these legislators before the hearing got the bill,
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    HB 813 on their desks, when they got it in front of them, they said, well, of course, of course.
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    And that's why Representative Sebaugh said, absolutely, to the hearing, seven to two vote, get to the floor, we're voting on this.
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    Representative Sebaugh said, absolutely. Why? Because that is what they say they believe.
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    But after it passed the hearing stage, historic moment, never happened before, the pro -life establishment, specifically,
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    Louisiana Right to Life, and all the other organizations were in a frenzy. I want you to know that.
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    I was there. Behind the scenes, it was a frenzy. They were in full panic mode.
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    How do we tell all these legislators not to pass this bill? Do you hear what I said? The pro -life establishment told the legislators, don't pass the bill to abolish abortion.
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    Don't do it. Because they don't want equal protection, brothers and sisters, so they killed it. And we're going to examine it all today.
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    So important what you're saying about this being a doctrine in the pro -life industry. What is a doctrine?
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    We have a doctrine as Christians that's tied to our fundamental foundation, and that is scripture, and that is something that we're not willing to surrender.
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    That's what it means to have a philosophical pre -commitment, a presupposition. We're not willing to sacrifice our ultimate standard.
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    And when it comes to the pro -life industry, they're not willing to sacrifice that as their ultimate standard. What am I talking about?
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    The philosophical assumption and pre -commitment that the woman herself is a victim. They're not willing to give that up. And so you have this collision of ultimate foundations, and you have what you're talking about in the legislative sphere, which is, let's just call it what it is.
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    It's heresy. Yes. This idea that heresy, heretical teaching, just exists within the four walls of the church, right?
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    If we're talking about justification by faith, if we're talking about a violation of the doctrine of the Trinity, the deity of Christ, we recognize that rightly as heretical teaching.
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    Any teaching that contravenes those fundamental Christian confessions. But somehow, when we don't recognize the alien invasion, this foreign idea, this assumption of a pre -condition that says a woman is a victim, right?
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    You can't maintain that commitment and the commitment to Scripture at the same time. You might confess it in the church, just as you said, in the four walls of the church.
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    No. People are guilty. They need Christ's forgiveness. That shame needs to turn them towards Jesus for cleansing and forgiveness.
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    But when we make our way over into the legislative sphere, because of that collision between ultimate commitments, what you have in the public square is heresy.
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    And we don't recognize it because we have limited heresy and heretical teaching to the four walls of the church.
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    And so that way, when we go and we apply the Word of God to the public square, we don't realize that what we're actually doing is committing heresy when we introduce false and ungodly and inconsistent legislation.
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    And so let's just call it what it is. This idea, this fundamental pre -commitment that colors all of the laws that we see surrounding this issue that lies about the women or the man, whoever's responsible, that says that you can kill this group of children but not this group of children.
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    What do we call that? Partiality, right? Showing favor to one group over the other. We recognize that in the walls of the church.
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    James recognizes that, right? He says, you can't tell the rich person, hey, come up here, have the nice seat. And then you guys, you get the back seats, right?
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    What are you doing? You're treating them partially. We recognize that in the church and we don't allow that. But when we get to the public sphere and we say, you can kill this group of children but not this group of children, what is that?
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    It's heresy. It's heretical teaching. And we got to recognize it so we can confront it. Yeah, Luke? Yeah, I don't wanna get too far into this just because I know we're gonna get knee deep in it in a second.
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    We're all fired up today. Oh yeah, we're fired up. I was gonna say that. We're fired up. We were fired up last week.
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    I was re -watching the hearing again this morning and I'm fired up all over again. But I know,
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    Jeff, you kind of mentioned it earlier. What took place in Louisiana, we've been saying has been happening for years now and I just think people don't believe us.
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    So I wanna offer some encouragement because yes, this bill didn't, we didn't get the result we wanted with this bill.
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    And we're gonna hold those accountable that are accountable for it. But in some ways, there's a lot of positive things to look at from this.
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    That being, we have forced the pro -life industry to not only say out loud what they've been saying behind closed doors, but put it in writing, put their name to it, sign it.
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    And in many ways, that's a win because people just haven't believed this. And now we say, here it is.
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    This dude put his name to it. This is what they're saying behind closed doors. And they're frauds and they've exposed themselves.
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    So we forced them to expose their fraudulent ways. And so in many ways, that's a win.
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    And yeah, I'm ready to get into this. And let's get to that, Luke. So I'll stick on that point you just made in terms of we've been saying this for so long.
    27:01
    We've been saying it for so long, we even made a movie about it. Babies Are Still Murdered Here is our film.
    27:07
    It's the basis of the movie. Babies Are Still Murdered Here is part two. Babies Are Murdered Here is part one.
    27:16
    Babies Are Still Murdered Here we released a couple years ago and encourage you to watch it. It's free on YouTube.
    27:23
    And the whole point of that film was to try to sound the alarm to ministers of the gospel and to Christians that this industry, they are not
    27:32
    Christian. They are explicitly not Christian. They say so. And they're not fighting this on the basis of the authority of the word of God or consistency in legislation.
    27:41
    They have a doctrine that they are impressing. She's a victim, she's a victim, she's a victim. Now we said this years ago.
    27:47
    We were trying to sound the alarm and say believers, brothers and sisters, listen to what they're saying. These are the top people. This is what they believe.
    27:53
    And this is why they're resisting bills of equal protection. They don't want to see abortion abolished as a crime in their state.
    27:59
    They don't want that. They're not working for that. And so I just want to prove it to you and just kind of take you through the line here of some stuff that I think you need to see before we get to their putting their names on the line.
    28:10
    Listen, and Luke made a good point. This forced them to put their name and approval on a page.
    28:17
    The biggest organizations, large ones, put it on a page with their doctrine and they had to release that one day to all the state legislatures across the country.
    28:25
    Same day, correct? I think it was the night before, wasn't it? Or maybe it was the same morning. Okay, it was very close.
    28:31
    It was either the night before or it was the day of the actual vote on the floor. So they felt compelled to do that.
    28:36
    They were compelled because of the Louisiana bill. Because of the bill. They had to force them to not vote on it.
    28:43
    So here it is. This is from the film, Babies Are Still Murdered, here. I want you guys to see it. It's absolutely fine right there.
    29:14
    Sure, I'm the director of American Victims of Abortion for the
    29:20
    National Eye to Life Committee. And that is one of our several outreach programs. It was developed in the early 1980s by women like myself who have been through an abortion experience.
    29:30
    What? Did you get the language? Don't miss the language. Yeah, listen closely. Listen closely.
    29:37
    I've been through an abortion experience. Do you hear thieves talking that way? Right.
    29:42
    In other words, it was something that happened to me. Right. Not something that I sought out. Yeah, like when people, you know, commit theft and they're within a church and like they come to Christ later, they've been to prison and all the rest, right?
    29:54
    Heists and robberies. Do they then start organizations later to say, people like myself that were, you know, that had theft experience.
    30:02
    A theft experience. All right. Now, what do we say? Like, I was a thief. I stole. You know, I did this.
    30:07
    I did it. I'm guilty and God forgives thieves. She says, I had an abortion experience. No, you delivered your child to be killed via abortion.
    30:17
    Right. And you know what? I want to say that to her because if I was talking to her on the street, I would want her to know Christ. That's right.
    30:23
    I would want her to know His forgiveness. And I think I would hear that. Wait, wait, wait. Are you not accepting culpability for what you've done?
    30:29
    Don't you know that you need Christ, that He can forgive you of your sin? Why are you trying to pass it off as something that happened to you, an experience that you happen to have, not something that you actually are culpable for?
    30:42
    Yeah. You did this. You did this. And it's such a joy to see, you know, some very important people in the pro -life industry like Abby Johnson.
    30:52
    Now she has moved away to consistency to say, no, I did this. I'm responsible, and I'm really glad to see that.
    31:00
    She's commenting underneath Louisiana Right to Life saying, what are you guys talking about? I thought we're fighting for equal protection.
    31:05
    I thought we believed it's human. What do you mean? Whatever do you mean? And so it's, listen, the only hope we have, any of us, is to come to Christ with our whole self broken so He can raise us up, right?
    31:17
    And so we come to Christ as sinners confessing sin. If we confess our sins,
    31:22
    He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we confess our sins.
    31:28
    Yeah, right. Right, we don't come to Jesus and we, like, you know, He's saying, well, He says, you're guilty of that. You need to repent of that.
    31:34
    And we go, well, you know, Lord, I mean, you know, kind of. I went through this adultery experience.
    31:40
    You know, I had an adultery experience. No, no, no, I committed adultery. I was an adulterer. And so just hear the language, brothers and sisters, because it's critical.
    31:47
    Now this is Olivia Turner, right? Olivia, yeah. Yeah, I remember her. Yeah, here's more. Alongside of sometimes the fathers of aborted children, and we are really a public, if you will, public witness to what we know about the experience of abortion from the inside.
    32:03
    The pro -life movement has a lot of women who are active in it who have had abortions.
    32:10
    And they very much argue that the mother who got the abortion is also a victim.
    32:18
    Okay. Hey, ladies, I'm Jeff. What's your name? Hi, I'm Jensen. We'll get to that in a sec. That was
    32:23
    Carol. Carol Tobias. She is the president of National Right to Life, one of the largest pro -life organizations, if not the largest on the planet.
    32:31
    Now working in not just the United States of America, but other places as well. And so that is from the horse's mouth, as they say.
    32:40
    So glad we got that interview. I know, and it's totally providential, because they didn't know who we were, and we sat down, and they just said it with their own mouth.
    32:47
    That's what the Lord gave us. Can I just tell you, like, that whole experience, 2017 National Right to Life, my mouth was on the floor listening to these people talk.
    32:55
    Yeah. I couldn't believe it. And so let's get into that question. So you heard there the leader of National Right to Life saying that they believe that the woman is herself a victim.
    33:08
    Now we dropped this film. We've been saying it for much longer. But we dropped this film
    33:14
    October 31, 2019. So 2019, we dropped the film with these interviews, with their own statements, not just us saying they believe this, and they were like, no, no, we don't.
    33:25
    No, that's what they believe, and they're not ashamed of it. When we dropped our bill here in Arizona of equal protection and abolition of abortion in Arizona, we dropped it, and it was
    33:37
    Cathy Herod from Center for Arizona Policy that came out publicly and immediately, the day of the rally we had, and said that they believe that mother and baby are both victims.
    33:48
    So this isn't an anomaly in the movement. This is their doctrine. This is what they believe. And it's almost like their efforts are coordinated, too.
    33:55
    Right. And so, very much so. And so I want you guys to see more here.
    34:01
    I'll give you an example here. If you look at my screen, this is Forbes. This is the article
    34:08
    Forbes had. It said, How'd you like to have that written about you in history?
    34:18
    How'd you like that written about you in history? That's on record in history, by the way, now. That's on record. Forbes, big publication. Let me go ahead and restate it, if you didn't hear it.
    34:32
    Yeah, do that. That is how
    34:45
    Forbes interpreted their putting together 70 or 70 plus. Was it 70?
    34:51
    Yeah, 70 plus. Signatures to legislators across the country, telling them,
    34:57
    Do not do this. She's a victim. You want to hear what they said? Here it is. This is the letter itself, if you look at my screen here.
    35:05
    Open letter to state lawmakers from America's leading pro -life organizations to all state legislators in the
    35:12
    United States of America. That's bold. Every state, all the legislators.
    35:19
    May 12, 2022. What day was our vote? Luke, you're better at this than me. What day was our vote?
    35:24
    I don't even know what day it is today. What is it, Thursday? It was the 12th, right? I think it was that.
    35:30
    There you go. So the day of our bill, when it's going to the floor, an open letter to state lawmakers from America's leading pro -life organizations.
    35:37
    Here's what it says. Move down here. It's all arguments about the adverse emotional and psychological effects on women.
    35:47
    Coercion. Yeah, all that stuff. And then it says here on the second page, ready? Bold print. This is what they wanted everyone to see.
    35:54
    Women are victims of abortion and require our compassion and support, as well as ready access to counseling and social services in the days, weeks, months, and years following an abortion.
    36:09
    I wonder why that is. Why do women need counseling? Why would a woman need counseling when she has had an abortion?
    36:17
    Could it be that she's made in the image of God? And could it be that she knew exactly what she was doing?
    36:24
    And could it be that in many cases, these women, when they do it, they're bragging about the fact that they're murdering their child?
    36:30
    We're going to show that to you. We could show you hundreds of videos. We could do the next six months with videos of women bragging about the fact that they're killing their children.
    36:37
    But here's their statement. Women are victims of abortion and require our compassion. Pastors, you believe that?
    36:44
    That the woman who comes in your office and said that she's had three abortions, that she's a victim? That she just needs your compassion?
    36:51
    Or does she need the gospel? The compassionate call of the gospel? They don't believe that.
    36:58
    It says, we state unequivocally that we do not support any measure seeking to criminalize or punish women, and we stand firmly opposed to include such penalties in legislation.
    37:12
    I'm going to read that again because it's devastating. We state unequivocally that we do not support any measure seeking to criminalize or punish women, and we stand firmly opposed to include such penalties in legislation.
    37:27
    Now you guys ready for the bomb to drop? Philosophically? Theologically? Apologetically? Are you ready for this?
    37:33
    They just went on record in history, this will go down in history, saying that the woman is never guilty.
    37:41
    She should never be punished for killing her baby in the womb. Which means, if the leaked draft of the overturning of Roe v.
    37:50
    Wade is true, in the states that say, okay, now we have enough courage to protect life in our state, and they actually say if an abortionist does it, he is criminally guilty, maybe he needs to pay a $1 ,000 fine for every baby he kills.
    38:02
    I mean, that's one of the issues. Okay, so no more abortion mills in that state. Did you know that in history, for thousands of years, women have been killing their children in the womb via pills and potions and other means?
    38:16
    Various methods. Did you know that in the early church, that the early church had to actually come out with a confession and creed against the issue of abortion, killing your child in the womb, calling it murder, and the early church had to fight against this issue back then with abortifacients, where women were killing their children in the womb.
    38:33
    And the early church, to now, has believed that abortion is murder, and the woman is culpable.
    38:39
    And so what's amazing here is it is now on record, as a matter of history, that the pro -life establishment and industry has said, has said, you are not guilty, woman, for killing your child in the womb.
    38:52
    So let's imagine a scenario, will you? Where in a state after Roe v.
    38:58
    Wade falls, and it should fall because it's an evil opinion in the first place, but the state finally has the courage to say, no more abortion mills.
    39:04
    And if you're an abortionist, you can't do it or you'll be criminally penalized. Maybe it's a fine, maybe it's jail time, whatever that is.
    39:10
    Do we think that women in that state are still going to find ways to procure abortions for themselves?
    39:17
    Will they still be taking pills and potions to kill their babies? The answer is unequivocally yes.
    39:24
    Because traditionally it has been DIY. Do it yourself. As a matter of fact, did you know that when they did the leak of what's happened in the
    39:31
    Supreme Court, did you know that Vice shared an immediate article helping women to understand how they could kill their babies in the womb by taking horse medication?
    39:42
    Interesting. And did you know that this article was just shared widely? So the question has to be asked to these organizations.
    39:52
    You've gone on record now and said unequivocally, she is not guilty, she is a victim, she should never be punished.
    40:00
    Ever. Now, I'd like to see how you're going to respond in Louisiana when the abortion mills are no longer accessible and women are still killing their children in the womb.
    40:13
    Your answer to them is, well, feel free, sweetie, because you're never guilty of killing your child in the womb.
    40:21
    I mean, isn't that the position now that you've gone on record with? Isn't that your doctrine?
    40:27
    Isn't that what you've said, that she is not guilty, she is never to be seen as guilty? So when these mothers, through pills and potions and other means, kill their children in the womb post -Roe, they are not guilty at all, according to the establishment.
    40:45
    And it's official. I don't know if it's just the feminist zeitgeist, the spirit of all things in the air, not being able to speak against or rebuke the sins of women in any capacity.
    41:00
    I don't know if that's how we got here officially. But, I mean, the fact that you can allow even that to go on and there to be zero culpability based on what you've published and put in print.
    41:13
    Listen to this. Criminalizing women is antithetical to this charge. We will continue to oppose legislative and policy initiatives that criminalize women who seek abortions.
    41:24
    And we will continue to work for initiatives that protect unborn children and policies that provide and strengthen life -affirming resources for abortion -vulnerable women.
    41:33
    Abortion -vulnerable women. So this is not Christian. This is not biblical. This is not gospel -centered.
    41:39
    And notice the contradiction here, the convoluted thinking here. We will never support and we will continue to oppose any legislation that criminalizes the mother because she's not guilty and she's a victim.
    41:51
    And we're going to continue to actually promote legislation and things that protect the lives of unborn children.
    41:57
    How do you do the two things when it is the mothers who are bringing the babies to be killed?
    42:04
    How do you do that when it is the mothers who are taking the pills and potions to kill their children?
    42:10
    How do you say we're never going to criminalize that, but we're going to protect those children?
    42:16
    Brothers and sisters, friends and family, it is the woman who is bringing the child to be killed.
    42:22
    Never forget that there are no abortionists running around neighborhoods in your city and in your neighborhoods looking for children to dismember.
    42:33
    They have air -conditioned locations to do it, but they sit there in those air -conditioned locations waiting for the client to show up to bring the baby to them.
    42:44
    And so this is actually a good moment for the church because now, as Zach says, the heresy is on record.
    42:53
    And if you look here, take a look at my screen, here is page four, Carol Tobias, President, National Right to Life.
    43:01
    At the top, right? At the top, very first one, so you know it's got the strength of the industry.
    43:07
    If you look down and you notice the other names there, among those is listed Secular Right to Life.
    43:13
    Oh, for sure. I wonder. Yeah, for sure. Same presuppositions there? Susan B. Anthony List, March for Life Action.
    43:22
    And check this one out. This is interesting. Brent Leatherwood, Acting President of Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission, Southern Baptist Convention.
    43:32
    Now, I was at the Southern Baptist Convention members' meeting when they officially adopted, at the
    43:37
    Southern Baptist Convention, abolition. And if you look at those resolutions, you'll see that they are biblical through and through and they stand on the word of God.
    43:44
    And Brent Leatherwood, sir, you should tender your resignation with the Southern Baptist Convention because you do not agree with your convention.
    43:54
    And that's one thing that Tom Askell has been pointing to as well. He's been on fire lately talking about this.
    44:00
    Here's the list. And so, you know, here we go. Benjamin Clapper, Executive Director of Louisiana Right to Life.
    44:06
    Benjamin Clapper, the man who knows this bill is righteous, the man who knows this bill has to be done, the man who knows that this bill is justice,
    44:18
    Louisiana Right to Life. He resisted this bill and fought against this bill. You should never send another penny to Louisiana Right to Life, ever.
    44:27
    They are compromised. Never help them again. And if you get a chance to talk to them, call them to repent.
    44:34
    Call them to repent of their compromise and their lies. They fought against the bill probably more than anybody in the state of Louisiana.
    44:41
    So let Benjamin Clapper know that you are severely disappointed that he actually is accountable now for the children who are dying in Louisiana.
    44:49
    He holds that accountability. He needs to turn to Christ from what he's done. That might be a hard thing to say and hear.
    44:56
    You might sound radical for saying it, but you know what? I'm not a career politician. I'm not. And that's one of the things
    45:02
    I want you to hear right now. The threats that came our way, that came Brian's way over the last couple of weeks, do you know how many politicians contacted and said things like,
    45:12
    I'm talking like congressmen, national level, calling and saying things like, this will ruin your career if you do this.
    45:19
    Talking to pastors. Hey friend, we're not politicians. We're not in your game.
    45:26
    We're ministers of the gospel. We're pastors. Our duty and our allegiance is to Jesus Christ.
    45:31
    We're not playing the games that you play. And we don't care to have your friendship if you're gonna compromise and you're gonna war against justice for these children.
    45:39
    Then no one's looking to compromise with you or be friends with you. We're not called to be friends with the world.
    45:45
    We're called to have allegiance to Christ and Christ alone, first and foremost. And so yeah, Jesus says he didn't conquer peace on the earth, but a sword, and he divides.
    45:54
    And so if you're afraid of your career and the consequences that a bill like this would do, well, you're gonna answer to God for that.
    46:02
    That's a hard saying, but it's true. But from our perspective, we don't care about our careers.
    46:08
    Because you know what? First and foremost, and I say this as a church all the time, this isn't a job. Yeah, your career, that's laughable.
    46:13
    This isn't a job. This isn't a career. I'm not a professional. I'm a minister of the gospel.
    46:19
    So you can honestly go pound sand with your threats. Pound sand.
    46:25
    Because we're following Christ and we're gonna stand in the same place in history that Christians have stood when they've stood against evils in their day, like the issue of slavery.
    46:34
    Isn't it amazing that in history now, people look back at those who opposed abolition as the bad guys in history.
    46:41
    And some of those guys were calling themselves Christians. And they were opposing slavery. And you know and I know that they are on record, not as the heroes, but as the bad guys in history.
    46:51
    And so you guys are officially, officially the bad guys in history.
    46:57
    Homeschoolers 200 years from now are gonna be looking back at you as the nefarious bad guys lurking in the background, resisting justice.
    47:07
    And people will wonder, how did people actually profess to be believers and resist a bill like this?
    47:13
    And so your pictures aren't gonna be carved into the sides of mountains. No, those are the heroes.
    47:19
    Those are the ones that don't compromise. Those are the ones who stand with conviction and they fight for the truth.
    47:25
    Not the people who compromise and are worried about their careers like you. As if they could be turned into hirelings to sacrifice their principles.
    47:33
    You guys, your career is gonna be really in jeopardy. I'll make sure your career is ruined. That's laughable.
    47:39
    The only person that can cancel me is Jesus. Oh, that needs to go out publicly. If I could jump in real quick.
    47:47
    At this point, so I had a conversation this week with someone that we know very well and love that's on our side ultimately.
    47:58
    And they were like, hey, we need to be building relationships with these people.
    48:05
    And my response was, how do you build a relationship with someone who to your face says that they know what we're doing is the right thing to do and then goes on live public television and forms a coup and stabs you in the back.
    48:23
    The only relationship with that person at that point in time is I'm calling you to repentance to do the right thing.
    48:32
    And it's not being a coward. And I'm going to call you out because you deliberately lied when you knew the truth.
    48:40
    So we're not here. We're not doing this to build relationships with these frauds.
    48:46
    We're doing this to ultimately, one, to honor Christ and two, to save the lives of our preborn neighbors.
    48:52
    That's right. And so for me, the relationship looks like holding people accountable, not being buddy -buddy and making sure that they're going to return my phone call at some point.
    49:02
    Right. Luke, to that point, I'm glad you brought that up because I want everyone to hear something very important.
    49:09
    There were legislators. There were pro -life groups that told us days leading up to the vote itself on the floor, they said, the bill is true.
    49:23
    I agree with it. It has to be done. It will need to be done. But here was the most common thing said.
    49:30
    Are you ready for it? Now is not the time. Yeah, later. Now is not the time.
    49:36
    They whispered it. That's the truth. I'm not lying to you. I'm telling the truth before God. I'm going to stand before Christ and this will be the truth then as well.
    49:44
    They said, we agree with that bill. It has to be done. But they kept saying, now is not the time. It was almost as though they were sharing that with each other because they were all saying it.
    49:54
    We agree with the bill. It has to be done. But now is not the time.
    50:00
    That's what they were saying. Now is not the time. So they resisted the bill on the floor and they killed it. The bill that they said they believed in and that had to be done.
    50:08
    But they said, but now is not the time. You need to know that. Back on this point of the woman victim, you need to see this too.
    50:16
    Remember when this... I'll confess. I will confess this.
    50:22
    Many of you guys know that when Donald Trump was running for president, we were very skeptical.
    50:28
    We were. We were. We took a heck of a lot of heat. Hugely skeptical. Yeah. And I want to just...
    50:34
    Please show us some grace and mercy here, please. In terms of where we were at at the beginning of that.
    50:41
    I grew up... I was born in 1978. I grew up in the 80s through the 90s and obviously...
    50:48
    That's why I'm here. I didn't skip it. But I grew up with Donald Trump on the news and listening to Donald Trump here and there.
    50:56
    Everyone knew who Donald Trump was. And so when Donald Trump comes out as pro -life, I go as a pastor, huh? Yeah. Like when?
    51:02
    Yeah. When did this happen? Now, I'm thankful for it that he said, hey, that's a pre -born human being. We got to protect those lives.
    51:08
    I'm thankful for it, but I was very skeptical. And then I saw him say something. I was like, hey, he seems like he gets it.
    51:16
    But I'm only aware of this one time where he said it. Only took once.
    51:21
    I was told that after he came out and said, I'm pro -life and he said this, what I'm about to show you. I was told that the industry leaders immediately got through to him and were like, no, no, no, no, no.
    51:32
    That's not what we believe. And I'm sure it confused the heck out of Donald Trump. That he was like, wait, I thought we believe this is human life from conception.
    51:39
    I thought we believe it's unjustified taking human life. And then the industry comes in and goes, no, no, no, no, no, no, sir.
    51:45
    We don't want equal protection. Not like that. So I'm going to replay this for you guys so you all have fresh new memories.
    51:53
    This is where Donald Trump goes, that's our position, right? Yeah. And then the industry comes in and backs it up and goes, please don't do that.
    52:01
    Yeah, let's do it. Yeah, here's Trump. What should the law be on abortion?
    52:09
    Well, I have been pro -life. I know your principle, that's a good value, but what should be the law?
    52:15
    This presidential election is going to be very important because when you say what's the law, nobody knows what the law is going to be.
    52:20
    It depends on who gets elected because somebody's going to appoint conservative judges and somebody's going to appoint liberal judges depending on who wins.
    52:27
    I've never understood the pro -life position. I never understood it because I understand the principle, it's human life as people see it.
    52:33
    Well, what crime is it? Well, it's human life. No, should the woman be punished for having an abortion?
    52:39
    Look, I would say that it's a very serious problem and it's a problem that we have to decide on.
    52:46
    But you're forbidding it. Well, wait, are you going to say put them in jail? Is that the punishment that you're talking about? Well, no, but I'm asking you because you say you want to ban it.
    52:53
    What does that mean? I am against, I am pro -life, yes. How do you ban abortion? How do you actually do it?
    52:58
    Well, you know, you'll go back to a position like they had where people will perhaps go to illegal places, but you have to ban it.
    53:07
    Do you believe in punishment for abortion, yes or no, as a principle? The answer is that there has to be some form of punishment.
    53:15
    For the woman? Yeah, there has to be some form. Ten years, what? That I don't know. He just thought about it logically and consistently.
    53:24
    He adopted the pro -life position. He was trying to be consistent. Good on him. And you never heard that again.
    53:32
    Not that I'm aware of. And I was looking because, like I said, I was told that when this happened, the pro -life establishment immediately swept in and said, please don't say that because they don't believe what
    53:43
    Donald Trump said there, which was the consistent position. They don't believe it. And what they believe is things like this.
    53:51
    Can you imagine this being written about you? Check this out. Look at the screen here. Louisiana Right to Life opposes
    53:56
    Bill seeking abortion. Louisiana Right to Life said in a press release that their policy is to hold accountable the individuals performing abortions or selling chemical abortion drugs and that abortion -vulnerable women should not be treated as criminals.
    54:13
    The group said HB 813 is not consistent with that policy. How'd you like this to be written about you in history? 200 years from now, homeschoolers are going digging back and they're putting together little essays and things and looking back and they find this article.
    54:25
    Louisiana Right to Life opposes Bill seeking abolition. Just plug in the other major social injustice of recent history, right?
    54:35
    Anti -slave activists oppose legislation seeking abolition. Can you imagine?
    54:43
    I mean, seriously, I'm sorry. It's not really funny, but it is funny. It is funny that you would have a civil rights organization in like 1859 opposing
    54:54
    Bill to abolish slavery. You would say, that's laughable. That's why you exist, right?
    55:01
    That's why you're doing this. That's why you're getting paid. Am I right? Isn't that why people are paying you?
    55:07
    Because you're working for equal protection for all of these blacks? Don't you want them to be free?
    55:13
    You opposed a bill of abolition and they say, no, no, no. See, the thing is, it's just not now.
    55:18
    I know it needs to be done, but now is not the time. As if scripture allows us to delay establishing justice.
    55:25
    As if God says, later. Right. Now is the time for justice, for sure.
    55:31
    So let's deal for a moment with this issue of the pro -life industries victim.
    55:37
    And I want to just say this to you. What I'm going to play next has got some foul, foul language in it.
    55:43
    And I am on the street with this woman. And I'm engaging her position where she's trying to resist our proclamation of the truth surrounding abortion.
    55:52
    So I want to tell you, if you have little ears around, you had better turn it down. Just be cautious because there's some language in this clip.
    55:59
    This is not an isolated incident. This is what we are confronted with regularly on the mission field, outside the abortion clinics.
    56:07
    This is the pro -life industries victim. And so again, I'm giving that warning.
    56:13
    Please heed that advice. What you're about to hear is pretty graphic and unsettling.
    56:19
    They're sitting here putting this shit on here. Like women want to have abortions. Is it offensive? Thank you. Thank you.
    56:24
    They sit there like we think abortion is funny. But it's even more comical that y 'all are here. Y 'all are fucking losers.
    56:30
    Instead of going do something, Can I ask you a question? I don't really want to talk to you. Okay. Women, you said women don't want to have abortions?
    56:36
    Yes, women don't. So how come 3 ,000 are dying a day? Because they have to. Can I ask you a question?
    56:42
    I don't see you advocating for adoption agents. I adopted my son. My name is
    56:48
    Jeff. I adopted my son. He was going to be aborted. I adopted him. So your argument's failed, isn't it?
    56:54
    And why is it hard for women to have an abortion? Because we should have the choice. No, why is it hard?
    56:59
    You said it hurts her. I shouldn't have to have a baby because you want me to. What'd you call it?
    57:05
    I shouldn't have to have a baby. So you should be able to kill the baby. Those systems are so poor. There you go. Hey, you should listen to what she just said.
    57:11
    If I want to kill my baby, I'm going to kill that shit. Thank you. You said women don't take pleasure in it.
    57:18
    That's how we started. You're generalizing. No, no, no. She just refuted your position.
    57:25
    Is she speaking on behalf of all women? But I just showed you that this is the face of abortion. You tried to protect it.
    57:31
    This is the real face. She said, I should be able to kill that shit if I want to. Her baby. And I will.
    57:37
    So should I be able to rape a baby if I want to? What does that have to do with anything? You said you should be able to kill a baby if you want to.
    57:43
    It's not my body. It's not your body. It's not your body. The baby is not your body.
    57:49
    The baby is cells. It's fucking sex. Your cells. Your cells. Why haven't you adopted them all? Human cells. Your argument's failed, isn't it?
    57:56
    The baby's body is not your body. You're a dumb man. You put a little cross on. Abolish abortion.
    58:02
    Y 'all are just actual losers. So what if I wanted to stop sex trafficking? Can I do it because I'm not a woman?
    58:08
    Well, are you here talking about sex trafficking? Well, hold on. I'm asking you to reason with this. I don't have a uterus.
    58:13
    Can I stop sex trafficking? You're not doing that. That's obsolete. Well, you don't have a penis. So you shouldn't talk to the guys that are sex trafficking.
    58:21
    Right? Isn't that your argument? No, you can't think about it because your logic is tainted with sin.
    58:27
    My logic is not tainted. Your logic is tainted. Your argument. Your argument. You're very religious.
    58:33
    You're very religious. Your argument is if I don't have a uterus, I can't speak against this atrocity. You don't have a penis.
    58:40
    You don't have a penis. You don't have a penis. So you can't do sex trafficking.
    58:46
    You can't speak. I'm not trying to make you mad. No, your arguments have failed to kill their babies.
    58:53
    Yes. There you go. Exactly. To murder their babies. That's evasive abortion.
    59:00
    Yeah. Right there. There's the pro -life establishment's victim. There's the pro -life establishment's abortion vulnerable woman.
    59:08
    But there's more. And I just want you to see it. And we could play this all day. Here is a clip from Babies Are Murdered Here.
    59:15
    Some of the same stuff. And this isn't uncommon. This is very common. And everybody who stands inside of an abortion mill knows exactly what we're talking about.
    01:00:06
    Do some f***ing stupidest s***. We're here to f*** with him, man.
    01:00:20
    There's only one. So that is from the film Babies Are Murdered Here.
    01:00:26
    And here is a little bit more. I wanted you to see. This is fairly recently in Phoenix.
    01:00:32
    Talking to some young ladies. We'll finish the thought here. Talking to some young ladies in Phoenix. They were at a pro -choice rally.
    01:00:41
    Jensen. Bree. And Simone. Alright, great to meet you guys. So why are you guys here? I'm more of like it being a woman's choice.
    01:00:47
    I think the choice to have sex is both men and women. The choice to carry a child kind of more falls on the woman.
    01:00:55
    Because the man can totally just leave at any point. And like if we're going to make abortions illegal.
    01:01:01
    And have single women now raising children. That maybe they never even wanted to have by themselves. Or maybe it's hard for them to have that child.
    01:01:08
    Because of like mental illnesses or being raped or something like that. So for me it's more of a choice rather than a political viewing.
    01:01:15
    And wanting to murder babies obviously. So you mentioned that if a child has to be raised by a single mother.
    01:01:22
    Or it's disabled that we should be able to kill it. We're so advanced in technology and science.
    01:01:27
    That we know ahead of time before the baby is even born. What conditions they could possibly have. So to be able to prevent that ahead of time.
    01:01:33
    Especially if you're a low income family. You're not going to be able to take care of that baby. If they come out with any kind of birth defects. And there's no government assistance either to help that parent take care of it.
    01:01:40
    So again, but foundationally. What you're saying that if it's disabled. And we discover it's disabled in the womb.
    01:01:46
    We should kill the disabled children. I'm sorry, I meant mental health in the mother. In the parents. Like people who are just not suitable to be having kids.
    01:01:54
    And don't want to have kids for that. Okay, I'm going to answer. Thank you for clarifying that. But it sounds like that's what you were saying.
    01:02:00
    If we discover in the womb through technology. That they're going to be disabled. Or something's wrong. We should be able to kill that child.
    01:02:06
    I would say. So it's the thing. I don't think there's no programs to help this parent. Or these parents out when the baby's born.
    01:02:11
    So it's like you're kind of leaving this parent up to like. You have to keep it until it's born. And then you've got to figure out yourself. Like we're going to be in control of your body until it's born.
    01:02:18
    And then once you have it. That's all you. And I think that's kind of an unfair. I do actually agree with you.
    01:02:23
    That we need to make sure that we're caring for women. For mothers and fathers. For children. We actually need to.
    01:02:28
    I think we're required. And love would require that sort of a thing. But I think foundationally. We're not really talking about that.
    01:02:33
    In terms of the abortion discussion. Because what we're talking about. Is the argument is. Is if something's wrong with the child in the womb.
    01:02:39
    We should be able to kill it. And we're saying that if it's raised in poverty. We should be able to kill it. I don't think.
    01:02:45
    So I think that's an extreme like way to put it. But I guess like. The choice to carry a child.
    01:02:54
    Raising children. Have that child before the baby's even born. We'll take care of that baby. To be having kids. And don't want to have kids.
    01:03:03
    So there's more to that discussion as well. At the end of that conversation we had with those women.
    01:03:10
    She just says it. She goes. Yeah. I think that what I'm arguing for. Is that she should be able to murder a child if she wants.
    01:03:16
    Same as the other girl on LSU campus. Yeah. Same exact thing. And so. There it is. So I guess
    01:03:22
    I have a question here guys. We've had to develop a lot here. And had to say a lot of important things. To set everyone up.
    01:03:28
    Should we continue this. And just go ahead and go to the floor. And spend the time refuting it all. I think so.
    01:03:34
    I might have to use the restroom for just a moment. Gabe. Can we take a two minute break.
    01:03:40
    Everyone who's watching us right now. Just hang loose with us. Gabe. Can we take a two minute hold here. And then we'll come right back on.
    01:03:45
    So we can deal with the floor vote. All right. Okay. All right guys. Hang in there. Two minutes. We'll be right back.
    01:03:51
    Don't go away. What we're going to do is. We're actually going to play through. The footage. From the vote on the floor.
    01:03:58
    So you get to see. Danny McCormick. Him coming up. And talking about the bill. And then we're going to. We're actually going to engage a bit with.
    01:04:04
    Representative Ivy. And Sebaugh. And the comments that they made. And so stay with us. Very important show today.
    01:04:10
    We hope that this will stand. As a lasting. Equipping moment. For the church.
    01:04:15
    As we continue to fight. For a gospel centered. Pursuit of ending. This atrocity.
    01:04:22
    We'll be right back. Welcome back everybody.
    01:08:46
    To Apology Radio. Thanks for letting us. Take a little bit of a break there. We are back now. We're going to go to. The actual footage.
    01:08:53
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    With us. Go to end abortion now. Dot com. Okay. So here we go. So we were in Louisiana. And we've laid out some of the foundations.
    01:09:36
    For you guys. In terms of their resistance. To the bill. And we went to the floor.
    01:09:43
    And we want to play that. For all of you. Actually. I'll save that. Yeah. Because we're going to use that.
    01:09:48
    When we respond. Okay. So. It was a long day.
    01:09:55
    Give you a little bit of background. It was a very long day. The bill was heard later.
    01:10:03
    There was an incident. At the Capitol.
    01:10:09
    Where. When some of the voting was taking place. They had to basically clear out the entire Capitol. And then they let us back in.
    01:10:16
    And then it got to. Danny McCormick's bill. I want to say a big thank you.
    01:10:21
    To representative Danny McCormick. For being such a godly man. A consistent man.
    01:10:27
    A courageous man. A principled man. And putting this bill in. Because this bill.
    01:10:33
    Was a bill that all of his colleagues agreed with. In terms of the substance.
    01:10:39
    Yeah. Human life from conception. We want equal protection. We want this thing over with. And he went into this with thinking.
    01:10:46
    Well. This is our position. I'll put the bill in. And what he discovered was. That he was then vilified.
    01:10:53
    Secret meetings were taking place. To work against him. With people that used to be on his side.
    01:10:59
    That he thought he trusted. I want to say. That during the time of cross -examination on the bill.
    01:11:05
    I want to give a little bit of mercy to Danny. In terms of. I think he was reeling. From the fact that now.
    01:11:11
    His closest colleagues and friends were now. Compromising. And working against the bill.
    01:11:17
    They told him he agreed with. And so he was I think. Completely mixed up by that. And. Also had a hard time hearing what was going on the floor.
    01:11:26
    He wasn't the only legislator that day. That said they had a hard time hearing. But anyways. Here we're going to play through.
    01:11:31
    At least some of Danny's comments here. So I'll let you guys hear it. Yourself. So hopefully. Hopefully if you haven't seen this yet.
    01:11:37
    This will bless you. The definition of person. Unborn child. Provide for defenses. Prosecution. Enforcement of abortion.
    01:11:44
    Representative McCormick. Thank you Mr. Speaker. I'm proud and honored today. To bring you a.
    01:11:49
    HB 813. For just a minute. I'm asking each of you.
    01:11:55
    To ignore every political argument. That is surrounding this legislation. And listen to your conscience.
    01:12:02
    If you are pro -life. And believe. That life begins at conception. And you believe that we must protect that life.
    01:12:11
    HB 813 is the only bill. Providing equal protection to the born. And pre -born people alike.
    01:12:23
    This is a thorny political question. But we all know that it is actually very simple.
    01:12:30
    Abortion is murder. And as lawmakers we have the responsibility to end it.
    01:12:38
    The duty. According to Romans 13. Of the civil magistrate. Is to.
    01:12:43
    Protect. Life. And. To wield the sword of justice.
    01:12:49
    Here is a man. Who is. Completely displaying. What that role is supposed to be about.
    01:12:56
    Consistency. The preservation of human life. One of the greatest principles in all of scripture.
    01:13:02
    Is the preservation of human life. The protection of human life. The image of God. Here he is fighting for it.
    01:13:09
    And I think. What's important to say here. And I'll play through this. Is that what he says is this issue is simple.
    01:13:16
    Because. It is. Essentially. It is. If it's human. It deserves equal protection.
    01:13:24
    That's the simplicity of this position. If it's human. It deserves equal protection. And that is an unassailable.
    01:13:30
    Position. No one can overcome that. Biologically. Biblically. Consistently. Philosophically.
    01:13:38
    It is. In his words. Simple. And it should have been simple for the legislators on the floor.
    01:13:43
    Who took. Money. Support. Votes. From Christians around their state.
    01:13:49
    Who voted them in because they said they believed that. They believed that human life begins at conception.
    01:13:55
    And that it needs to be protected. And abortion needs to be ended. There are people on this floor. That actually were voted in because of their pro -life position.
    01:14:02
    In many ways. And so in that case. It is very simple. You can't claim to be pro -life and vote to kill
    01:14:10
    HB 13 by amendment. If you're pro -life and believe that life begins at conception.
    01:14:16
    And you must stand for equal protection of the pre -born. As Roe versus Wade is close to ending.
    01:14:25
    It is time for Louisiana to stand up and end abortion. If we're not willing to do this now.
    01:14:33
    When will we? The vast majority in this room claim to be pro -life.
    01:14:38
    Yet today. When Roe is on the chopping block. And we have the clear opportunity to end abortion in our state.
    01:14:46
    We are faltering. And trying to explain it away. If your life was in danger.
    01:14:53
    You would want equal protection. If 20 of us were slated for murder today.
    01:14:59
    We would want equal protection. Now. That's the beauty of 813.
    01:15:06
    It provides equal protection. And it does so without affecting ethical.
    01:15:13
    IVF. Or the use of contraceptives. It does so without any retroactive effect.
    01:15:20
    On any part of Louisiana law. And it does it so in a way that protects mothers.
    01:15:27
    Who are being coerced into an abortion. And even better. House Bill 813 provides the tools necessary.
    01:15:35
    To prosecute pimps and traffickers. Who are currently coercing women.
    01:15:41
    And getting away with it. The word of God says. We are fearfully and wonderfully made.
    01:15:48
    Known by our creator. For my mother's womb. Doctors and scientists have confirmed that belief.
    01:15:58
    DNA proves that without a question. Scientific knowledge has improved.
    01:16:05
    And because of it. We are faced with a moral and ethical decision to make. Will we be prideful.
    01:16:12
    And stand by our own ways of ignorance. Or will we admit. We are constantly learning.
    01:16:19
    It's okay to change our minds. Even on a big issue like this one. Today is uncomfortable.
    01:16:28
    Very uncomfortable. For me too. But it's historic. After this vote.
    01:16:35
    Your name will be written on one side of history or the other. And regardless of how you vote.
    01:16:41
    Abortion is going to be abolished. The question is. Whether you help it end today.
    01:16:48
    Or we prolong the killing. If we don't believe life begins at conception.
    01:16:55
    We need to admit that. If we do believe that life begins at conception.
    01:17:01
    Then we should protect it. Please vote today. Using your moral compass and nothing else.
    01:17:08
    Politics should never decide who lives and who dies. Not in America. Thank you
    01:17:14
    Mr. Speaker. Powerful moment. We were sitting there all day long.
    01:17:20
    Waiting for this vote to come to the floor. And. It was loud. I mean
    01:17:25
    I was actually at times kind of surprised. At how like on the floor. We were above it looking down on the floor.
    01:17:33
    People would be cutting up. Laughing. Talking. I mean they'd be like literally like the middle of a legislator.
    01:17:40
    Coming up to present. It would be just like kind of chaos. So many voices. And I was like wow this is kind of disrespectful.
    01:17:47
    Like he's trying to talk about his bill. And everyone's just talking. And laughing and making jokes. You know
    01:17:53
    I guess it's just kind of normal for them. That's what they do. And when the bell rings and they got to do their vote. They do their votes. But it was like sort of just like bustle.
    01:17:59
    And like the whole time just loud. And I got to just tell you. How it sounds right there.
    01:18:05
    Is how it sounded. It went into a deafening silence. When that bill.
    01:18:15
    That sound. As if we all recognize the gravity. Of the situation. It was a deep moment.
    01:18:21
    I mean I'm telling you. I went like this. And he was in the middle of talking. And I looked over at everyone around. And I was like I did this.
    01:18:27
    I was like there's no sound in here right now. Except for him. And I looked over at one of the heads of security there.
    01:18:33
    Who says that he watches our stuff online. And he was like thank you for your ministry. He looks over at me. And it was a moment.
    01:18:46
    I believe that was from the Lord. Oh totally. I was just pouring tears. Brian Gunter is pouring tears next to me.
    01:18:52
    You know we were just praying. And just pleading and crying. And it was a really surreal moment.
    01:19:00
    Because you could just feel. When Danny was talking. The presence of God in that room. And those words.
    01:19:07
    You can watch it on video. But it's not anything near like what it felt like. In that moment. And it's something
    01:19:17
    I'll never ever forget. It was a powerful thing. And so onward now.
    01:19:23
    If I could say real quick. Danny's a hero. Danny is a hero. I was watching that live.
    01:19:30
    I know Zach was in the other room. And I'm pretty sure we were yelling out. Like good job
    01:19:35
    Danny. Or something like. He killed it. He did such a great job. But what y 'all are about to witness.
    01:19:44
    Is. Elected officials. That call themselves pro -life. Literally mocking him.
    01:19:51
    Right. On live TV. You're about to witness that. So just buckle up for that. And as we lay this down.
    01:19:56
    And I'll let you say what you have to say. I don't want to lose that. As we lay it down. I want you all to know. Going into this.
    01:20:03
    That we had meetings with Ivy. Right. And Sebaugh. Behind closed doors.
    01:20:09
    We refuted all these objections. A constitutional attorney. Who has a right to actually argue before the
    01:20:16
    Supreme Court. Who filed the amicus brief. In the Dobbs case. He refuted the objections that they were hearing.
    01:20:24
    Zach Lautenschlager was refuting them. I was refuting them. Two days prior to this moment.
    01:20:30
    These two men. That come against Danny here. These two men were in a room with us.
    01:20:35
    With all these objections. Refuted. Flat out refuted. Done. And they still brought them two days later.
    01:20:43
    Danny was in shock here. Because these two men. Pretended to be pro -life. I mean Sebaugh had tears in his eyes.
    01:20:49
    Telling me I only got into politics for one reason. That's to end abortion. He agreed with the bill. He said it was right.
    01:20:55
    And at the hearing he said absolutely. This should go to vote. That was Sebaugh. He's in here now fighting against the bill.
    01:21:00
    Why? Because he was encouraged by the pro -life establishment. Do not dare pass this bill.
    01:21:07
    And others. And so associated with the pro -life establishment. And so this is when
    01:21:12
    Ivy came up. All right. Question on the bill. Representative Ivy.
    01:21:19
    Thank you Mr. Speaker. Representative McCormick. Obviously the decision.
    01:21:26
    Possibly that the Supreme Court. Will overturn Roe v. Wade. Is potentially pending.
    01:21:31
    Based on the leaked opinion. But your bill. Doesn't account for that potential.
    01:21:38
    And your bill. Does it not include that. For your law to be effective.
    01:21:43
    We have to ignore Roe v. Wade today. Are you asking me that?
    01:21:49
    Yes. It's in your bill correct? When this bill is signed. Yes. Okay so.
    01:21:55
    The question is. Does your bill end abortion in Louisiana. By simply ignoring. The United States Supreme Court's.
    01:22:01
    Ruling on Roe v. Wade. Say it again. I don't hear well. In order to end abortion in Louisiana.
    01:22:10
    Today. Does your bill. Simply ignore. The United States Supreme Court's.
    01:22:16
    Decision on Roe v. Wade. No. I'm talking about today.
    01:22:25
    That's a pending. That's we don't know what's going to happen. I'm saying so ignore what might happen. With the overturning your bill.
    01:22:31
    And its current posture. Does it require. Louisiana.
    01:22:37
    Our judges law enforcement. Everyone else to ignore. The current. Decision of Roe v.
    01:22:44
    Wade. By the Supreme Court. In order to make this happen. Roe v. Wade has been decided.
    01:22:53
    By pending your today. Today based on what. Today my bill is not going into effect. So it doesn't apply to today.
    01:23:01
    But you're telling me. We're going to end abortion today. So anyway so you refuse to answer that question. Where your bill says. And let me just quote your bill for the.
    01:23:08
    For the folks at home who may not have read it. Because the title is very. Misleading.
    01:23:15
    It says recognize the United States. Constitution laws and states are. Supreme law of the land. Which would protect.
    01:23:24
    Any and all federal statutes regulations. Treaties orders and court rulings. Which would deprive an unborn child.
    01:23:30
    Of the right to life. Or prohibit the equal protection of such right. And so it we merely ignore.
    01:23:37
    What current. You know Roe v. Wade decision. Is honestly don't understand.
    01:23:43
    And that's OK. I understand you don't understand. You wouldn't have brought this if you did. So. Yes. Stop it right there.
    01:23:52
    Yeah. So you get the full context there. Danny was having a hard time hearing him. But I think that this simple answer.
    01:23:59
    That he was looking for. That's in the bill itself is yes. Yes the state of Louisiana.
    01:24:06
    Would uphold the constitution. Of the United States. And uphold the right.
    01:24:11
    To life. Of the pre -born child. So it wasn't just some random hodgepodge decision.
    01:24:17
    In the bill itself. And like we're just going to do our own thing here. In the state of Louisiana. No it's
    01:24:22
    Louisiana. Actually recognizing that there's a separation of powers. Something that's going to be appealed to.
    01:24:28
    In a moment here. That there is a separation of powers. That the Supreme Court is not the supreme being.
    01:24:34
    And that the constitutional right. To life. Is to be upheld in the state of Louisiana.
    01:24:39
    It's not them just going off on their own. Willy nilly doing whatever. Just lawlessness. Lawless. It's actually law -ness.
    01:24:47
    Lawfulness. Lawfulness. And it's not lawlessness. And yes. Yes the state of Louisiana.
    01:24:54
    Can say to the Supreme Court's opinion. Not law. That's going to come up here in a moment. They can say we reject your opinion.
    01:25:02
    Because it is an abomination. Oh that sounds like a word that they use. It's going to be brought up in a moment here.
    01:25:07
    That your opinion is an abomination. You're not the supreme being. You aren't the supreme being.
    01:25:14
    You're just a bunch of liars. Roe is not law. Who understands that best?
    01:25:20
    The Democrats. Because one day before this vote.
    01:25:26
    The Democrats worked at a national level. To codify Roe V.
    01:25:32
    Wade as law. And boy. By the skin of the teeth. Was it close.
    01:25:37
    They failed. So one day before. This was happening.
    01:25:43
    The Democrats try to codify Roe v. Wade as law. Now a question needs to be asked. Important question.
    01:25:50
    Vital question. Why would the Democrats need to codify Roe v. Wade as law?
    01:25:56
    I thought Roe v. Wade was the law of the land. It seems to me that they understand the law better than some of these pro -life legislators.
    01:26:04
    That Roe is not law. It never was law. It's a court opinion. And you know what's amazing?
    01:26:10
    Is that this hearing happened after, not hearing, this vote happened after other votes.
    01:26:16
    Do you know what other vote took place before this vote? It was the vote in Louisiana, sorry
    01:26:21
    Louisiana, the vote in Louisiana that actually said they were working to decriminalize certain things used to puff puff pass.
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    They're talking about the medicinal flower y 'all. One thing I loved about being in Louisiana and I will never forget is the white suits and pink ties and Lord God knows state of Louisiana is loved by God.
    01:26:43
    Like I just love that and just the whole thing like this medicinal flower y 'all, this medicinal flower.
    01:26:50
    Wait they're talking about that? Yeah they're talking about medicinal flowers on the floor before this vote and strangely
    01:26:58
    Ivy and the other legislators didn't find it peculiar that they were voting on things used to puff puff pass and smoke medicinal flowers when actually there's federal law current against marijuana and not just federal law but court opinions that prohibit the use of marijuana and strangely the legislature in Louisiana on this day didn't have a problem in defying federal law and the courts when it comes to medicinal flowers.
    01:27:35
    Yeah where's your separation of powers argument on that? And so interestingly Ivy who was just there for the vote and you know you were you were just there for the vote regarding the medicinal flowers and all the objects you use to puff puff pass y 'all and no one had a problem with the fact that the state of Louisiana legislature that very day was it on our an hour two hours before this vote was literally defying the federal government and the courts and flexing their state sovereignty and saying there's a separation of powers our citizens have the right to this medicinal flower we will defy the federal government and the courts for the sake of this flower that's what they said and now
    01:28:27
    Ivy sir you have the audacity to come up to this man who's trying to protect life which you pretend to believe you are not pro -life sir
    01:28:38
    I talked to you face to face and interestingly behind closed doors I told you that you are making arguments against the pro -life establishment not against the fringe because you were arguing against human life beginning at conception you were talking about implantation and later and I told you to your face you weren't arguing with us you were arguing with the entire pro -life everything he's about to do it again and you do it on the floor so if you're still taking pro -life votes and money
    01:29:09
    IV you should stop as a matter of principle as a matter of principle but you come on the floor and have the audacity to argue about separation of powers and resisting the courts when literally two hours before this it was already on the floor we're defying federal law and the courts for the citizens of Louisiana but you wouldn't do it for the children because you're a compromised coward is what you are you're inconsistent you don't know this subject you don't know the law
    01:29:39
    I don't know how you got on that floor with your hello kitty backpack or whatever else you were wearing you were the only guy on the floor with a suit and a backpack like a child and you argue like a child and you're responsible for every single death that has happened since when was it last
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    Thursday last Thursday so 20 a day die in Louisiana and representative
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    IV you hold in your hands their blood before God because you went up and used bootleg argumentation and very deceptive tactics to fight a bill that you would tell your voters oh
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    I believe that it's human life and it needs to be protected but you know behind closed doors you didn't say that to me and you know that on the floor you weren't arguing that you sir are a charlatan you're just a charlatan you're a fake you're a fraud you're a phony you don't know this field you don't know this subject and I challenge you come on the show debate your position here on the show see if you can answer the question as to how come you didn't pipe up mr.
    01:30:45
    IV when it came to the legislature defying federal law in the courts for the medicinal flower how come you weren't resisting that saying no no no the courts have already decreed the law is you didn't do it for the flower did you you didn't do it to smoke up did you know you did it you brought this bootleg argumentation up so that babies can continue to die in your state you have so much courage to defend other situations but you won't defend these children because sir you're a coward that's just a matter of fact and somebody might say pastor
    01:31:23
    Jeff you're going you know you're going hard in the paint you're going hard yeah this man is responsible for the children who are dying in Louisiana you understand that it's a fact it's the truth he resisted the bill not because it was unlawful or inconsistent it's because he's inconsistent he's inconsistent and so let's continue do you guys want to say anything else yeah go ahead go ahead okay sorry one
    01:31:46
    I am impressed of your proper usage of hard in the paint yeah good on you what sport is that yeah
    01:31:52
    I don't know if you don't use it correctly so thank you everyone knows everyone knows it's soccer so one this is the first instance of IV being just an absolute jerk to Danny so shame on you representative
    01:32:11
    Ivy that that sort of behavior is deplorable and should not be tolerated by an elected official but all that to say when
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    I was watching all this live I couldn't figure out why they kept bringing up some of the arguments they were bringing up and it's funny
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    I left the message this morning with our group because I was watching again and it dawned on me what's happening as we're gonna see this is the first instance of the objections of the object or or as I should say having a very very unhealthy fear of the
    01:32:50
    Supreme Court yes and so all the because I'm like who I'm like why does it matter if it if it defies row now or later like that should have no bearing on whether or not we end abortion right now
    01:33:04
    I could not figure out why he kept pressing that issue and I think that's partly why
    01:33:09
    Danny was having a hard time understanding because it was like I think Danny what besides not be able to hear him
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    I think he was like what is the point you're trying to make because it was it there wasn't really a point
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    I didn't feel like there was a point to what he was trying to make but now I understand I think he just he he views the
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    Supreme Court as the Supreme Being and we're gonna see more instances as we go on but I just wanted to throw that out yeah you're gonna see and when
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    I go ahead and lay it down in front of you right now you're gonna see in a moment here that's representative Seaball brings up the issue of Dred Scott how did he how'd you learn about that by the way representative
    01:33:44
    Seaball were there people in your ear a couple days before this vote who kept sharing with you
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    Dred Scott and the state's resisted the opinion of the Supreme Court when they gave such an abominable decision aren't you thankful representative
    01:33:59
    Seaball that those states during that time resisted the opinion of the Supreme Court that said that blacks were not persons but property aren't you so glad that in history we had courageous men in legislatures who said no
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    I will not I will not recognize the supremacy of the court to say that you get to dictate what is law on this point you will not abuse of the human beings and so thank
    01:34:23
    God for legislators who said no the court is not God there's a separation of powers in our country and they use a separation of powers properly by saying you are not ultimate you do not create law in our country the
    01:34:38
    Constitution says that Congress creates law in our country and there's a separation of powers they bring up Dred Scott because we brought it up to them and here now we have them arguing isn't this really bad this would force this would force
    01:34:52
    Louisiana to actually defy the Supreme Court's ruling that we can kill children but they didn't have a problem with that on another issue and I think just highlights such an important point when any institution or entity violates its
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    God -ordained function or jurisdiction that's called tyranny right when they usurp the ultimate prerogative of God to be ultimate and then force that authority on other entities on other institutions that's tyranny but when men like this refuse to oppose that that's called idolatry difference there right it's tyranny what the federal government is doing but us not opposing it is turning the
    01:35:35
    Supreme Court into our functional Savior and our functional God because we can't do anything unless our
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    God speaks from on high and as Christians we would say our God has spoken and that's why he's given us things like the blessing of a constitution the blessing of the authority of Scripture and his word and I think one more thing everything that you're listening to in the cross examination and what representative
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    Sebaugh is gonna say and what Ivy's about to say all of these things are doublespeak and doublespeak is just very simply using lies to selectively shape facts and block out other facts all because you have an agenda that you're trying to implement yeah so for example
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    Dred Scott you brought that up to him why to show them that this has been done historically before they ripped that and said
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    Oh Dred Scott I'm gonna use that for the purpose of my agenda to prove my bootlegged interpretation of the separation of powers argument right it's doublespeak yeah it's doublespeak and it's the worst kind of lying that there is because ultimately in this case it leads to the death of 20 children a day because of what's at stake yeah because of what's exactly here we go does your bill statutorily require judges to ignore
    01:36:51
    Roe v. Wade or of any other court ruling or federal law that contradicts your bill okay let me read your text for you because you haven't read your bill in a while I would okay it says could
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    I get somebody come down here and tell me what he's saying honestly came here what you can't hear what I'm saying I can't understand okay let me speak slower for you okay okay does your bill statutorily require judges in Louisiana to ignore the
    01:37:26
    Roe v. Wade decision or any other future court ruling or other future federal law that would contradict your bill yes it does okay and so in your bill would all
    01:37:40
    Louisiana judges be subject to impeachment proceedings if they do not ignore
    01:37:47
    Roe v. Wade future United States Supreme Court rulings or federal laws that are contradictory to your bill judges are a subject to impeachment we understand that but you would make this singular action of it of not ignoring federal law
    01:38:05
    Supreme Court rulings correct yes okay so they'd be subject to impeachment okay so our founders our founding fathers design our system of government to be comprised of three separate but co -equal branches your bill clearly violates this separation of powers doctrine do you believe it is okay to violate constitutional separation of powers in order to abolish abortion in the state of Louisiana no okay let's deal with that so what's interesting here is is you talk about doublespeak right think about this a person comes to you and says here's my argument there's supposed to be a separation of powers where no institution like the
    01:38:43
    Supreme Court is supposed to be ultimate in our nation there's supposed to be a division of powers and by the way if you love the doctrine of separation of powers
    01:38:51
    Christian you can thank a Christian for that because the Christians developed that in history because you recognize that people are sinful and when you assign power ultimate power in a single point of a sinner it can lead to tyranny and so Christians said we need to divide power up amongst institutions so that tyranny is avoided because people aren't blank slates because men are not angels that's exactly what they said because men are not angels a constitution is necessary and so because they said that we have a separation of powers a division of powers in our country and think about it think about the devastation as does to Ivy's position
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    I'm gonna argue that there must be a separation of powers you have to divide that power up nothing could be ultimate and then he goes and argues but we're not allowed to use it right there's got to be a separation of powers and division of powers here otherwise there's gonna be tyranny no one's allowed to be ultimate but goodness gracious Louisiana we can't use it we can't use it and also it just goes to show the fallacious nature of his argumentation here is the fundamental question get this you'll get the entire thing is
    01:40:01
    Roe v. Wade law no and the answer is no
    01:40:07
    Roe vs. Wade is not law it never has been law it says in our constitutional framework it says that Congress creates legislation in our nation and that all laws must be made in pursuance of the
    01:40:22
    Constitution and we know that it's not constitutional right because there is a right to what yes life
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    Amendment life life life and so this is not what he's trying to make it out to be in terms of this sort of like wild -eyed we're just you know we're just not recognizing separation of powers no the bill actually recognizes fundamentally separation of powers and that this court is not ultimate what
    01:40:52
    IV is arguing for is not separation of powers though he pretends to use it he's arguing for the ultimacy of the courts the state of Louisiana has the right as a legislature as a separated power themselves they have a right to look at what the
    01:41:11
    Supreme Court makes as a decision not a law and say that is not consistent consistent with the Constitution that we agreed to this
    01:41:19
    Constitution says that everyone has will not be deprived of the right to life so the state of Louisiana is being lawful and they're resisting the unlawful decree of the
    01:41:29
    Supreme Court because there is a separation of powers think about that IV separation of powers but Louisiana don't you dare use it don't you dare use it and is it crazy that it would actually specify that if any judge or court tries to defy the protection of life they'd be impeached that's not crazy cuz they're violating their oath they're violating their oath swear an oath to the court they swore an oath to the
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    Constitution I will uphold the Constitution United States of America so if they defy their own oath and they show they don't believe it sure enough they would be impeached shown up sure enough if they violate their oath
    01:42:07
    God does not take lightly oath -breaking that's right so there's nothing there's nothing nefarious or inconsistent this is consistent with how our country was established and how the
    01:42:17
    Constitution is supposed to work IVs ignorant about that and so he's using an argument that if he looked at his own feet he would realize that he's standing on sand this was talked about already it seems like a willful ignorance it is a willful ignorance because he was refuted on it days before if a woman uses contraception that has the potential to prevent the implantation of an embryo could she potentially be charged with murder and if convicted be imprisoned for life do you know which contraceptive okay well so an
    01:42:52
    IUD could not the use of an IUD would not let no woman would be prosecuted for murder if they use an
    01:43:01
    IUD and while using that IUD it prevented the implantation of an embryo well my bill would do away with abortifacient that's not an abortifacient okay well that's your opinion
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    I don't think that's the opinion of others okay this is huge okay it is and I'm gonna say one thing here as laying on a foundation the reason that IV is using this argumentation follow it he's talking about implantation yes he's talking about devices and other chemicals or medicines that would stop implantation and he has a problem with that and because here's why because if you were to back the question up you could ask
    01:43:42
    IV IV do you believe that life actually begins and it's fully human at conception try to get him to answer that for you because what he was arguing and he was saying
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    I'm just playing devil's advocate in the room with me is he was actually arguing against the idea that it is human life from the moment of conception he was arguing about implantation and further down the line so the reason
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    I think he's pressing this question here is because IV doesn't seem to believe that all human life begins at conception and should be protected from conception exactly that's the problem and that's why he's bringing it up as a shocking argument because I think if you were to challenge him impress him at least my experience with them maybe he changes his position now is he didn't seem to believe that life actually begins at conception which is odd because I think he's supposed to be pro -life legislator isn't that the pro life position that when the sperm and the egg fused together to form a single -celled organism the zygote that that in fact is the biblical and biological basis for the beginning the formation of a new unique human being right yes of course it is that's what the entire pro -life establishment and industry believes and if IV doesn't confirm that he should not be seen as a quote -unquote pro -life legislator like I said behind closed doors he was arguing against that concept in terms of life at conception and he thought it was he acted like it was a shocking thing to think we would want to ban abortifacients that actually kill human beings after they've been formed and can
    01:45:14
    I take just a minute on this here because this is really important and other men have done work on this area already
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    I would recommend if you haven't seen it dusty Deaver's with rescue those has a great message on this chemical abortifacients but before the 1960s fertilization and conception were actually synonymous terms fertilization and conception and so after the 1960s with the advent of chemical birth control right everything that Margaret Sanger started and in 1914 with the
    01:45:45
    American Birth Control League the American College of Obstetrics and Gynecologists actually went against the traditional definition of conception that moment when the sperm and the egg unite to form the new human being and they defied that definition and redefined conception as the moment that the fertilized egg implants on the uterine wall right so they redefined it and that actually led to a redefinition of pregnancy as well in other words they said if an embryo didn't implant then a woman wasn't really pregnant so the effect of that redefinition was that any drug or device that kills an embryo right a fertilized egg before the completion of implantation wouldn't be termed abortifacient so I'll say that again the result of that was any drug or device that kills an embryo before the completion of implantation wouldn't be termed abortifacient so once again double speak deadly redefinitions that have consequences all modern contraceptive chemical abortifacient drugs they all have a fail rate right so they're designed to perform a few functions right one is to delay or hinder ovulation which is the moment where the egg gets released and drops down the fallopian tube in order for the preparation to have it be fertilized by the sperm the other one is the the endometrium right that the wallpaper the lining of the uterine it thickens up in order to prevent
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    I'm sorry it thickens the cervical mucus to prevent the sperm and the egg from coming together right so those are the first two but then the third one is that the endometrium is thinned out right the lining of it is thinned out in order to prevent implantation and that actually sloughs off the baby into the woman's period it causes an abortion right it's it's miscarriage it's using it intentionally to cause miscarriage now he brings up I UD I think for a reason because traditionally it's been harder to kind of pin pin that down right
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    IUDs being abortifacient and he's already moved the window on contraception now being the implantation of the egg but all of these chemical abortifacients they have that active ingredient levonorgestrel in as a drug so it's synthetic man -made hormones they contain estrogen and then progestin that's otherwise called levonorgestrel now those chemical drugs they prevent and this is according to even recent research they prevent less than 15 % of potential conceptions right so it's not even so much that the function is becoming now delaying and hindering ovulation or thickening the cervical mucus to prevent the sperm from uniting but the abortifacient element of these drugs right and IUD is just basically a metal metal or a piece of plastic that's placed in the uterus that causes chronic inflammation to prevent implantation now what does that mean it kills a baby by making the womb of the mother a hostile environment
    01:48:56
    God designed the womb of a woman to supply all the nutrients and to create the environment suitable for that life that human being that baby to survive and when that is taken it is making the womb a hostile environment and preventing that human being that life from being able to survive so it is abortifacient in nature but the fact that he's raising it here and actually shifting the window to say this is when conception happens when the egg implants on the wall rather than the traditional pro -life definition right the biblical definition that is another deadly example of double speak and the reason
    01:49:40
    I went through all of that is because a lot of people myself included for the longest time just aren't aware of how these things work and so when someone just kind of throws this out there and says that we have to know what it is that we're talking about because that's a subtle redefinition but it changes everything everything because now if the definition is implantation that the conversation has changed but it's not conception is when life begins that's a fact biblical biological can't be disputed
    01:50:12
    IV can't dispute that he may want to move he went he may want to move the goalposts further down the line to implantation but he should come out and say it stop taking pro -life votes stop calling yourself pro -life if you truly believe that it's some other stage that you're actually human then say it stop pretending to be pro -life and stop pretending to be pro -life while you actually resist bills that would actually establish justice for the pre -born and that's because the argument he's making is would the woman be criminalized who uses the an
    01:50:42
    IUD well an IUD statistically speaking is in is an abortifacient that's its purpose that is its function right it has a fail rate and that fail rate is exceptionally high so used with its intended purpose is to kill a newly forming unique created human being that is its purpose so what do you call that abortifacient yes yeah and so the real the real issue here is that you have people who will say that they're quote pro -life so they can get into a pro -life legislature and receive pro -life votes but they don't actually believe it it's too easy to get votes in a conservative state by saying you're pro -life but you don't really believe it you haven't thought it through you're not consistent yourself and so the the devastation of a position like that and doing that is that you might actually have the opportunity to abolish abortion and establish equal justice and you'll resist it because you're ignorant you don't even know what you believe in the first place you don't know this field and so it's it is it is it is a deadly inconsistency yes and it was in this case
    01:51:50
    I don't know so it doesn't it doesn't eliminate contraceptives contraceptives keeps a woman from conceiving that's the definition of contraceptive well is the prevention of implantation part of contraceptions no inflation and the when the sperm enters the egg that's when it takes place what takes place it when when life begins that's when it takes place
    01:52:14
    I understand but in anything that kills that egg afterwards is aborting it but but preventing implantation doesn't kill the egg does it or the does it kill the embryo right we're talking we're talking about contraceptives here okay so mr.
    01:52:29
    speaker I'll rest my question of course you will of course you will that wasn't a humdinger that wasn't a that wasn't a real you know yeah you think that was a zinger it really wasn't it wasn't you you your inconsistency was exposed there that you don't truly believe the human life begins at conception it should be protected from conception that's the issue is that for IV he's talking about implantation and all the rest but it's a good conversation to have today if we love and respect all human life should we be allowing medications and devices that actually end human life now
    01:53:09
    I know that for us today this is you know it it's a confusing question and we can all thank
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    Margaret Sanger so much for that you understand why the Christian Church was so militantly opposed to Margaret Sanger and her birth control and the abortifacients and all the rest because she was a eugenicist that hated children because of this issue including her own because of this issue and so yeah admittedly today you've got even professing
    01:53:37
    Christians who just have no concept of like birth control pills that are actually abortifacients like they don't even understand they have really think about like I guess
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    I'll take this pill because I won't get me pregnant I don't realize what we're doing no you're getting pregnant you're getting pregnant and then you've created a hostile environment so that you can't grow your child and I'm gonna say to the women who have been doing that and you didn't know come to Christ it's okay forgiveness is in Christ there's a washing there's a cleansing yes and amen and then let's all join together to resist this industry let's get consistent for the of these children love our neighbors is it is it wrong to say hey you know we've been doing this wrong the whole time do you think listen
    01:54:19
    I'll say this quickly do you think that there weren't these moments for people during the time of slavery where people had to go oh my gosh look at how we've been treating them oh my gosh look at how we've been dehumanizing them we've treated them like they're less than image of God like can you imagine like the slavery is over now it's abolishes behind them you know a lot to do this anymore
    01:54:44
    I mean we know that after the time of slavery was abolished like you got all the way up to the
    01:54:49
    Jim Crow era you're dealing with all kinds of tension and all kinds of conflict where people are still treating black brothers and sisters like they're less it was evil it was an abomination it's because that dark evil ideology takes a heck of a long time to shake but it must be shook period and so yeah they had their complicated issues then during time of slavery like well can they sit next to me in church can they drink out of the same water fountain all those things like yeah you gotta shake that stuff loose you're gonna end it it's an abomination it's evil you gotta fight it you gotta come to the place where you go dang it we're evil and man we've been doing this wrong how dare we do this and in this case with the abortifacient industry the abortifacient birth control industry it's high time
    01:55:36
    Christians started saying hey that's not consistent with what we believe we need to do away with this stuff is it wrong to say that we need to stop people from ending human life that's been created in their wombs is that wrong not from a
    01:55:49
    Christian perspective not from a constitutional perspective a legal perspective we need to actually have our eyes peeled back so we can see what we're doing it's a worldview issue and just to finish the point if as long as the church continues to embrace the thoughtless use of chemical birth control and abortifacients we won't see abortion ended in the public square because they used it they get they got it from somewhere they use it against us yeah because we haven't thought this through because people claim to be pro -life that are perfectly fine with abortifacient birth controls that's the truth that's what came up here so we get it right if we're gonna actually establish justice and care for these fatherless children we had better get it right
    01:56:32
    Luke you got something to say yeah I was gonna say thank you Zach that was just a fantastic breakdown because I know we get those that question quite often on abortifacients and birth control and all that so I think we should probably just clip that section honestly put that up by itself because that was that's gonna help a lot of people so thank you for putting time into those amazing but before we before we go to see see bomb
    01:56:59
    I was just going back to the last point because I I didn't quite get in but when when
    01:57:09
    Ivy was talking about that you know our judge is gonna be impeached again that was the second point
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    I want to break up that's another instance of them fearing the judges whether it be the Supreme Court this effect this would specifically affect judges in Louisiana but obviously that has bearing on the
    01:57:29
    Supreme Court as well and so it's just that was a second instance of them being afraid of judges as if they are the supreme beings in our nation and and all that to say and I think
    01:57:43
    Jeff you you said already but I was as I was listening I was like so what so what if a judge is impeached for violating this law they should be like you know if they're if they're willing to to do something immorally to allow babies to be murdered yeah they should be impeached so what that shouldn't have no bearing on whether or not you vote for this bill so that was all
    01:58:06
    I just want to make sure I got very good all right guys I know we're going long today but we wanted to give you something that's worth it meaningful and and and somewhat comprehensive we could do a lot more we could do this for weeks honestly but so we wanted to give you something it was a one -stop shop to help you here's more here's where seaball comes up and oh by the way make sure you all understand
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    I don't have a career to protect I'm a pastor and so I'll say it
    01:58:30
    I looked him in his eyes seaball the man you're about to see I looked him in his eyes he had tears filled in his eyes said it was the only reason he got into politics was to end abortion he said he agreed with this bill he was the one during the hearing go listen to the hearing we put it up on our channel listen to it when the votes come in he's the one who says absolutely not because he was ignorant of the bill because the bill said what he says he believes it was only after he was worked on by the pro -life establishment and others big names that he actually came out in opposition to this bill and made himself responsible for all the children dying in Louisiana from that day forward he looked into my eyes and said that he agreed with this bill he looked into my eyes and he said that he wanted to end abortion completely he agreed with it and then this was two days later this is seaball now thank you all right do we have any amendments yes sir mr.
    01:59:25
    speaker there are two sets of amendments at the desk the first set of amendments is a one -page set offered by representative
    01:59:32
    McCormick set number three nine four seven those amendments are technical only all right any objection to the opposite of the technical amendment seeing none amendments are adopted next amendment next set of amendments is a three -page set of amendments authored by representative seaball and others that set number is four three five seven all right representative seaball okay thank you
    02:00:18
    I was just checking the amendment number several of you co -authored amendment set that was
    02:00:23
    I had number four zero zero one so apparently somewhere the amendment number changed but it's the same one it's the same amendment that we've previously talked about and some of you've seen but Louisiana has been called the most pro life state in the nation most of us are
    02:00:40
    I am look pro -life bills fly off of this floor with little to no opposition and they have for generations for decades we have many many laws which protect the unborn in Louisiana we have the most stringent abortion protections in the nation within the law they have triggers they say when
    02:01:02
    Roe v. Wade is overturned or something else a concept a federal constitutional amendment anything along that line that would remove the restrictions placed on us by Roe versus Wade then these laws go into effect we started out by allowing abortion only at before 20 weeks there was a bill outlawing abortion after 20 weeks then after 15 weeks then after six weeks we had the partial birth abortion ban we had the fetal heartbeat bill there's there's a lot of protections for the unborn which are bills of what partiality yeah
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    I I wanted to say this respectfully to representative Sebaugh that's nothing to brag about you use the word in a moment here you use the word abomination that word is used in Scripture quite a lot it's used over a number of different issues and I would encourage you to read
    02:01:57
    Proverbs chapter 20 representative Sebaugh in Proverbs 20 that's just one section it's also given elsewhere
    02:02:03
    God calls unequal weights and measures and abomination in his sight he also says acquitting the guilty is an abomination in his sight it's as much an abomination his sight as condemning the righteous we all hate when righteous people are condemned
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    God also says that he hates the same when you acquit the guilty unequal weights and measures should we be bragging about passing bills that actually do things that are that God says are an abomination in his sight unequal weights and measures partiality saying you can kill these children but not these children these children will be prey and these ones will not be prey that's something that you want to brag about we're the most pro -life state look what we do we say these children are prey in our state but these ones are not you're human if you have a heartbeat but if we can't detect it we will not protect you that's nothing to brag about it's nothing to be proud of if God says unequal weights and measures are an abomination in his sight that you should never brag about an abomination ever and so but it saves lives well that's a testament to God's mercy not our faithfulness that's right here you go in Louisiana that exist and as soon as Roe v.
    02:03:20
    Wade is overturned they're gonna go into effect and the unborn will be protected in Louisiana no no they will not a trigger law in Louisiana that says you can no longer have an abortionist kill a child only prohibits the abortionist from doing it in an air conditioned location right that's that's the truth all that does and also the better question needs to be asked here what pray tell is the punishment in Louisiana with these trigger laws for the abortionist is it $1 ,000 isn't that the fine or what if I wanted to kill a puppy in Louisiana what's the what's the fine for killing a puppy $25 ,000 you haven't established justice that's not justice that's not protecting the pre -born that's not pro -life it's a miscarriage of just a miscarriage and I want to say that these trigger laws that you're referring to have
    02:04:17
    Roe v. Wade is overturned it doesn't prohibit the woman from procuring her own abortion by her own hands through pills and potions or whatever means she wants to as a matter of fact he argues here and for the position that the woman is herself a victim and so what that means is if Roe v.
    02:04:36
    Wade is overturned you're gonna have a lot to answer for representative Seba with all the women who are still killing their children in the womb because you've said they're not guilty they're not criminals we shouldn't criminalize that at all so I'd like to see your response when the women continue to kill their children in the womb if Roe v.
    02:04:53
    Wade falls which is likely to do and you no longer have abortionists who are gonna want to do it because of the thousand dollar fine or whatever you're gonna make it ten thousand or whatever still less than a puppy
    02:05:03
    I'd like to see what you're gonna say to the women who are continuing to kill her children in the womb no you haven't you haven't established justice please don't pretend like you have.
    02:05:13
    House Bill 813 has a number of problems representative Ivey actually did a very good job of going over some of those a separation of powers and constitutional issues specifically the
    02:05:24
    US and Louisiana Constitutions lay out a system of separation of powers we have an executive branch a legislative branch and a judicial branch the legislative branch does not get to tell the judicial branch how to rule on cases.
    02:05:41
    Logical fallacy I'd expect more from a man who actually says that he's a lawyer logical fallacy nobody's arguing that the legislature sits on the bench with the judges and tells them how to rule and make their decisions what we're actually arguing is that our constitutional documents say that it is
    02:06:02
    Congress that creates legislation it is not the duty of the judicial branch to make legislation so it's actually it's spinning another fiction like the legislature is not supposed to sit on the bench tell them how to rule no they get to rule and make their decisions and then it is up to the legislature to create law that's what it means
    02:06:27
    Congress creates law not the Supreme Court and so you're spinning a fiction when you pretend like the argument is that we're somehow putting the legislature onto the bench with the judges no the judges make their decisions and as you're going to see in a moment
    02:06:43
    Seba understands that the judges sometimes make abominable opinions yeah here we go
    02:06:52
    I mean that's what this bill does it declares itself to be constitutional and it says any ruling that contradicts with the bill is unconstitutional and oh wait are you saying are you actually saying that the bill says that the
    02:07:09
    Constitution says that humans have the right to life and that if anybody tries to stop that that they're gonna be rejected so wait a second what are you what are you actually saying you're giving quite a compliment to the bill if you're suggesting that the legislature in Louisiana is going to uphold the
    02:07:24
    Constitution itself and wield the doctrine of the separation of powers the very thing you're trying to use as an argument against the bill is the very thing the bill is doing acknowledging a separation of powers and that the
    02:07:41
    Constitution is ultimate and that there is a right to life in the Constitution and if the
    02:07:47
    Supreme Court or any federal agency or government at all tries to fight against the constitutional right to life the state of Louisiana is gonna say
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    I'm sorry there's a separation of powers here and this law Lex Rex is
    02:08:02
    King I guess the question asked who is is Roe declaring itself to be constitutional inherently it's saying that women have a right to privacy in order words to murder people in private so are they declaring that opinion to be self -attesting in its authority there you go yes here you go and there's more must be ignored must be enjoined you just can't do that I mean that's not a power that the legislature has we can't grant ourselves the power to order a court to rule a future act unconstitutional we just can't do that it's it is very problematic and look
    02:08:40
    I think Roe versus Wade is one of the worst decisions this ever come out of the US Supreme Court ever
    02:08:45
    I mean up there with Dred Scott and a couple of others it is one it is an abomination so not just unconstitutional not just unconstitutional so so what he's saying what what representative
    02:08:56
    Sebaugh is saying there is that Roe versus Wade is an abomination and we must submit to it are there any lawful abominations that's for those all lawless that's cowardice and compromise that's not principled courageous leadership when you say before the public in the public square here in this place you say this decision is an abomination and please everybody submit follow it follow it now notice you also heard him bring up Dred Scott it's an abomination like Dred Scott quick little history lesson here brothers and sisters and and Sebaugh you know this when the
    02:09:37
    Dred Scott versus Sanford ruling happened the challenge was about these slaves that had come from southern states and were in northern states and they needed to be returned to their southern masters and the
    02:09:49
    Supreme Court disgraceful as they were with the abominable opinion they gave they said a black person is not a person it's property so they must be returned to their masters now thank
    02:10:03
    God the legislature's and the leaders in the states in the north New York as one of them said go pound sand
    02:10:12
    Supreme Court no we will not yield to that abominable opinion and so what's amazing here is think about it he says he says that Roe versus Wade is an abomination he says but you need to submit to it but it's an abomination like Dred Scott was and then everyone starts flipping through their history books and they go
    02:10:30
    Dred Scott Dred Scott Dred Scott Oh Dred Scott terrible opinion oh the state's resisted it yeah you're literally bringing up the case where the state's resisted the ruling of the
    02:10:44
    Supreme Court so you representative Sebaugh respectfully have refuted yourself and you did it on the floor and you did it and you were pontificating as though you knew what you were talking about and you clearly don't because what you shouldn't have done in this moment is you shouldn't have brought up Dred Scott you're arguing to legislators you can't resist the
    02:11:07
    Supreme Court's ruling like Dred Scott he's urging his constituents and the other legislators to be lawless yeah to follow what he calls is an abomination
    02:11:23
    I wonder would you have that advice for them during the time of slavery would you have that advice
    02:11:31
    I question if you were in the north when Dred Scott came down would you have told the states no stop resisting the court return those guys to their masses would you have said that I wonder representative
    02:11:48
    Sebaugh if we took your arguments we placed them back then where would you have stood because if you if you had stood if you stood then where you're standing now it seems like you would have told those states to return them to their masses wouldn't you have because here you're clearly arguing that the legislature can't do anything to provide equal protection to these human beings because the
    02:12:12
    Supreme Court has ruled from on high they've given us this abominable decree and we must therefore submit so northern states return those slaves would you have
    02:12:23
    I you know I think you'd probably like to tell yourself I never would have I would have told him to resist that opinion right which is what you should have done here in my opinion but it's the law like it or not it is the law it's been the law for almost 50 years oh you hear people say no it's not here everyone in the banister saying no because representative
    02:12:46
    Sebaugh you are completely ignorant and I want to display something to everyone watching right now this will be one of the most powerful things right now in this entire discussion this will be one of the most powerful things this took place on what was it look may 12th yes may 12th was the votes he just said that Roe vs.
    02:13:06
    Wade has been 50 years the law of the lands now I want to remind everybody what our
    02:13:11
    Constitution says and that is that Congress creates legislation not the Supreme Court okay now
    02:13:16
    I want to show everybody something very very important here one day before one day before this votes this happened well a big win for pro -lifers today on Capitol Hill for the second time this year the
    02:13:34
    Senate failed to pass a bill that would codify codify Roe v. Wade but Democrats are promising more votes in the future meanwhile
    02:13:41
    Republicans are angry over the Biden administration's plan to drop conscious protections for health care workers so question if Roe vs.
    02:13:52
    Wade is the law of the land for 50 years then what pray tell were they doing 24 hours prior to this vote on Capitol Hill what were they trying to do codify
    02:14:07
    Roe vs. Wade which would mean that Roe vs. Wade was not what law because what were they trying to make it 24 hours before your statements representative seaball they were trying to make it law can you imagine it's in the eyes of God a level of foolishness that is almost incomprehensible to be resisting the bill of equal protection for all children within 24 hours of Congress failing to codify
    02:14:39
    Roe vs. Wade and to be using as an argument before your legislature Roe vs. Wade is the law of the land if it's the law of the land what were they doing 24 hours prior
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    I'm so thankful that the Lord allowed that timing so that we could point that out oh there's more you ready this is this is a
    02:14:55
    Jen Psaki after the Texas heartbeat bill watch it's extreme Texas law blatantly violates the constitutional right established under Roe v.
    02:15:04
    Wade and upheld as precedent for nearly half a century it's it will significantly impair women's access to the health care they need particularly for communities of color and individuals with low incomes it also deputizes private citizens to bring lawsuits against anyone who they believe has helped another person get an abortion which might even include family members health care workers front desk staff at a health care clinic or strangers with no connection to the individuals this further isolates individuals who are facing this tough choice and I would note for those of you who didn't see people who report who who these private citizens could get up to $10 ,000 for reporting somebody who is seeking an abortion so our focus and the president's focus is to reiterate our deep commitment to the constitutional right of course established by Roe v.
    02:15:52
    Wade nearly five decades ago and to continue to call for the codification of Roe something that the president talked about on the campaign trail the vice president talked about on the campaign trail and this highlights even further the need to move forward on that effort move forward on what effort to codify
    02:16:06
    Roe v. Wade to codify Roe v. Wade what's that mean to make it an actual law representative
    02:16:12
    Sebald was on the floor arguing against the bill of equal protection calling Roe v. Wade law the law of the land has been a law for 50 years it hasn't been law 50 years and someone this begs the question how did you ever get elected to this position when you took your hand and you said
    02:16:27
    I swear an oath to uphold and protect the Constitution of the United States the question should be asked did you read it did you read it before you swore the oath so you swore an oath to uphold a document that you clearly do not understand
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    Roe v. Wade is not the law of the land and the people who understand it best are the
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    Democratic pro -choicers they know it's not the law of the land so the question has to be asked what are you doing helping them why are you helping their cause by actually using an argument that they don't even believe they don't believe
    02:17:05
    Roe v. Wade is the law of the land proof of that is 24 hours before you said it they tried to make it the law of the land and they failed by two votes yeah hopefully that's thorough enough
    02:17:16
    I think that I think that was what they call in the industry a slam dunk yeah soccer again like okay everyone listening like this is this is what everyone needs to see like these frauds work for us right we vote them in the office we're paying their bills or paying their salaries with our taxes
    02:17:42
    I it blows my mind and I think the in general constituents would would be flabbergasted at how many of these elected officials do not understand that a
    02:17:58
    Supreme Court ruling is not law we hear this time and time again and I it blows my mind that he would stand there on live
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    TV and say that it's just nonsense so please please please please don't vote for these frauds when they when they don't even understand how law works that's what they're supposed to be doing for a profession so I'm just gonna say this if you are in he's in district 5 by the way in Louisiana so if you're watching this in Louisiana and you're in district 5 please let him know a representative
    02:18:31
    Ivy is district 65 if you're in his district please let him know that you're not pleased with with how they're handling things but I just had to say
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    I when I watched this live that was back knows he was in the other room we both yelled out and you heard
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    Danny even say no it's not right apparently everyone else there too yeah it's mind -blowing that you get up and say that right okay let's go through more it is the law look
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    I grade the constitutional law section of the bar exam every year there is a question on the exam about a bill hypothetical passed by the
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    Louisiana Legislature every year and it's a some kooky law so when I'm reading bills
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    I look for is this a good bar exam question this isn't even a good bar exam question
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    I promise you if any examinee read this and argued that it was not a violation of the state and federal
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    Constitution he's gonna fail the bar exam false and I'll offer a challenge that I'm sure our constitutional attorney
    02:19:32
    Bradley Pierce would gladly take you up on how about this representative Seaball you say you're an attorney let's have you as an attorney and our constitutional attorney
    02:19:42
    Bradley Pierce come on the show and we'll do a debate we'll do a debate over whether or not this is constitutional and whether or not
    02:19:49
    Roe vs. Wade is law let's do that how about that so there's the invitation representative Seaball we will have you on we'll treat you with respect we'll treat you with dignity but you can have a debate with our constitutional attorney and yourself over what you just said there how about that immediately because this it's not even close but this bill has problems other than constitutional it criminalizes essential elements of in vitro fertilization it does not actually make specifically make in vitro illegal but it makes elements that are essential to successful in vitro fertilization illegal what's amazing is that the legislators not only had that refuted days before but they were all handed a letter a single page essentially that refuted that argumentation and it was on their desks and on the floor and I'm going to just read to you what this says about that would the bill prohibit in vitro fertilization again this is what they received no since 1986 state law has prohibited prohibited the intentional destruction of a viable living in vitro fertilized human ovum and it gives the
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    Louisiana state code this bill would not change that fertility specialists can continue to perform ethical
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    IVF procedures in Louisiana you catch that he's lying representative Seaball is lying it is already the law in the state of Louisiana that they cannot just dispose of and destroy a human being that has already been created get the point right and is it a problem for us who are pro -life mr.
    02:21:30
    Seaball since you say you believe life life begins at conception is it a problem for you that you would actually have standards upheld in an industry where they're not allowed to simply just create human life and destroy it don't we want the industry that depends on the value and beauty of human life and its preservation don't we want that industry who says that they believe that and they want that don't we want them to have standards that say they're not just going to create that human life and destroy it all this does is provide definitions and all it does is provide protections it doesn't it doesn't destroy that industry it says you better do it ethically don't create 12 human beings to make one and then destroy the others is that wrong to say that to them don't we all believe you shouldn't do that Seaball don't you believe they shouldn't be doing that and so when he brought this up on the floor it had already been thoroughly refuted to his face and they already had this on their desks simple refutation we all know people who were not able to conceive except for in vitro fertilization it is not something that I'm ready to outlaw lies does not what you notice how he changed it there yeah yeah yeah you're lying you're lying through your teeth to resist the bill of equal protection you are lying through your teeth and I challenge you to debate on it see if you can actually endure cross -examination how about that we'll have you on we'll see if you can endure a cross -examination about the claim that you just made it criminalizes women say that however you want but it this bill criminalizes women one of the issues that representative
    02:23:10
    Ivy brought up is let's address it section 5 of the bill this act applies to crimes committed on or after the effective date of this act yeah right and so what it says is all human life begins at conception
    02:23:27
    Seba says he believes that it says all human life deserves equal protection representative
    02:23:33
    Seba says that he believes that which would mean that if a mother killed her child in the womb she would be guilty of the unjustified taking of human life which representative
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    Seba says he believes but he doesn't want her to be seen as a criminal for it because the pro -life industry told him that's not our doctrine that's the truth the judges can be removed or impeached if they rule against this bill the only way that I know of to remove a judge is to impeach them so I don't know what the or is removed or impeached but it just doesn't doesn't seem to make any sense and look let me be very clear if passage of House Bill 813 would prevent one abortion one
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    I would not be standing here right now but this bill will not prevent a single abortion from occurring not one if anybody has told you that passage of 813 will prevent a single abortion they misled you or they don't know how the law works because the fact of the matter is if we pass this bill and the
    02:24:33
    Senate passes this bill and the governor signs this bill it will be enjoined the next day because Roe vs.
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    Wade is still the law of the land. Get it? There you go. There's his foundation.
    02:24:45
    It wouldn't save one life because Roe vs. Wade is the law of the lands says the man who raised his hand to support and defend the
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    Constitution and that Constitution says that Congress creates law not the Supreme Court says the man who was existing in Louisiana 24 hours after the
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    Democrats tried to codify Roe vs. Wade because it's not the law of the land so he says
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    I would do it if it would save one child but Roe vs. Wade is the law of the land take away his premise you take away his argument.
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    Get it? It's not gonna save any child. Give me your premise. Why? Because Roe vs. Wade is the law of land.
    02:25:30
    Nope. So your argument has failed. That's the truth.
    02:25:36
    Take away his premise you take away the man's argument. The US Supreme Court said you can't do this so the injunction would go into place and it would not be lifted until Roe vs.
    02:25:48
    Wade is overturned and guess what we already have laws which are going to go into effect when Roe vs.
    02:25:53
    Wade is overturned so we don't need this bill. Laws that would provide financial penalties to the abortionist who kills the child but laws that would not actually say that it's human from conception equal protection and that nobody can kill a child in the womb including mothers including fathers so sorry it's not the case that abortion would just somehow be abolished because of the pro -life partial partiality bills that you put into place it's just not true and Representative Seabolt if you want to debate that point come on the show you'll be treated with respect you'll be treated with love but you'll also have to give an account for what you've said and we'll do it under cross -examination so it's already protected and look we're a nation of laws
    02:26:36
    I've heard a lot there's a guy wearing shirt outside and I have several people tell me why don't we just ignore Roe wouldn't that be fun if we could just ignore the
    02:26:43
    Supreme Court look we're a nation of laws we can't do that then why'd you do it two hours earlier for a medicinal flower good question
    02:26:57
    I think it's right to ask it this hearing took place I can't remember what time
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    I was maybe it was five o 'clock somewhere around there and before that you had you had vote taking place regarding a medicinal flower marijuana federal law against matter of marijuana and court cases against marijuana and you seem to be completely settled and have solace about the fact that you can resist the federal government courts and laws when it comes to a medicinal flower and now you're making arguments that we're not allowed to do that you had literally just done it you just did it and now you're saying we can't do it we can do it for a flower but we can't do it for these children that's an inconsistency you're gonna have to answer for sir well let me give you a hypothetical let's say that what right now the one of the penalties for murder is the death penalty it's available it's in the books if you know somebody has committed murder you cannot go over to their house and shoot them you can't do that without facing the consequences it is itself in fact murder you can't do that we cannot ignore the law we have a rule of law in this country and we can't do that look who's advocating for I don't know what in the world he's even horrible it was a terrible argument and I maybe like to have an explicate on that because it made no sense representative
    02:28:21
    McCormick is obviously committed he has deep commitment the people here supporting him have commitment but this bill's passage would not prevent a single abortion not one because Roe vs.
    02:28:34
    Wade is law again take away the premise you take away his argument his entire argument is
    02:28:39
    Roe vs. Wade is law it is in fact not the law and so his argument has failed and I would like to go ahead and offer the amendment at this time which
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    I'll have on your computer I don't know if it's been passed out but you can see there it is essentially representative
    02:28:54
    Jackson's Senate bill 342 it keeps the Roe vs. Wade triggers in place if and when
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    Roe vs. Wade is over all right I'll skip all that you guys can go look it up yourself all it is is just a typical pro -life bill of partiality kill these but not those and all these different you know things not justice is not established by any means for the pre -born it is a weak need compromised pro -life establishment bill and they were comfortable in in avoiding the abolition of this injustice they were comfortable with avoiding equal protection to go for a bill that did not provide equal protection that was a bill of partiality and so I'll let you guys go read that on your own to see the amendments but I want to address one important thing that came up from another person who was being dishonest about the bill and that was the issue of what could anyone who has been involved with an abortion in the past be prosecuted that was yeah
    02:29:51
    I read section 5 and they were arguing that you know this would go after women who have already had abortions it says very clearly no first section first section 5 of the bill so in the bill itself they were saying this will get women who have already done it
    02:30:06
    I'll go back and retroactively get them in the bill itself it says explicitly prohibits retroactive enforcement quote this act applies to crimes committed on or after the effective date of this act secondly the
    02:30:26
    Louisiana Constitution also prohibits retroactive enforcement article one well do you get the point so here's the point in order to resist this bill of equal protection they had to lie through their teeth about it and they had to actually show an amazing amount of ignorance about the bill itself because when they said this will retroactively go after mothers when the bill explicitly says it will not do that cannot do that and it says it's on or after the date of the establishment of justice so in other words to resist this bill of equal protection you were forced to lie about it why why would anybody do such a thing why would you if you hold to the truth and you have integrity why would you lie about a bill so you can stop it from passing
    02:31:11
    I think it's an important question to ask next question people were trying to throw out if a woman has a stillbirth or a miscarriage she's gonna be prosecuted here's the answer to that hand it out to all the legislators could the bill punish women who have had a miscarriages no nothing in the bill would in any way apply to accidental or natural deaths what's miscarriage terrible sad horrible it's happened to my family it's awful it's painful experience it's a natural death that's not the with with malice of forethought willful unintentional with malice of forethought taking of human life it is a terrible experience for a family to go through you're in tears over it because you want that baby and that baby dies naturally it's a fallen world that is not homicide and to lie about this bill by saying it's gonna prosecute miscarriages stillbirths it's a lie it's a lie and there's no way out of that lie and you want to have anything you want to say that's all no
    02:32:12
    I don't have anything that yeah I just quickly again we've we forced them to be honest about their position so as you can see from representative what essentially and this is what the amendments were they refused to criminalize a mother under any circumstance whatsoever which is deplorable this to lie and say that it's not gonna save any children at all is just it's a lie there's there's there's nothing to it again you see their their fear of the
    02:32:44
    Supreme Court you see their view that that row is law and it that's that's what we're dealing with that's what is allowing abortion to still take place the incompetence of the pro -life industry and actually and I know you mixed this briefly earlier job but this is so say say rose overturned today the fight that we have on our hands is going to look a little different but not totally different the these trigger laws and a lot of these conservative states it will be illegal for an abortionist to murder a child but like we said it they've they've legalized it for the mother so we still we're still gonna have this fight on our hands we're still gonna have to to criminalize it for the mother and this fights not over with so so all that they're doing is shifting shifting the way children are legally murdered in the womb they're shifting it and they're making it it's gonna be through abortifacient is gonna be through mailer or like you mentioned medicine yeah coat hangers like you name it it's gonna shift it but the fights not over we just gonna have a different fight on our hands and one less objection seemingly to deal with yeah the pro goes down yeah what what changes ultimately nothing in terms of the fight being the same equal protections the same issue all the helpful aspect as we've said is that with the
    02:34:15
    Supreme Court overturned it will hopefully remove the cowardice aspect from this fight where people are there are cowering in fear to the
    02:34:25
    Supreme being sorry court and hopefully they have the courage to actually stand on principle and conviction but the fights the same babies are still gonna be dying we have to establish justice period so we skip past a lot because it just goes on a little bit we've dealt with the major objections supporters are here today this is a place because a week ago the one the gentleman that it's all from the amendment was one of my biggest supporters and encouragers and telling me that it's time to do this but this isn't about me it's not about anybody in this room it's about the 20 day babies a day they're being ripped out of the wombs of the mothers by hands by their feet and tore apart that's something we need to address but evidently the political winds are blowing and it won't be addressed today
    02:35:17
    I'll be glad when we come in here and we can abolish abortion do away with it be done with it that's what
    02:35:24
    I'm looking forward to the main reason I can't support this amendment is because this amendment does away with equal protection equal protection gives the unborn baby the same rights as a born baby that's what it does you know it's really simple and if we don't do that if we vote for this amendment we say those babies are subhuman now if we don't believe life begins at conception hey
    02:35:55
    I understand that completely I understand but my conviction is solid and last
    02:36:02
    I've asked representative Seaball when he supported my bill and everybody in here that talked to me bring me amendment we want to work with everybody in here we want to make this bill better not one amendment not one conversation that brought an amendment to the to the floor you know we talked about representative
    02:36:24
    Seaball's up kids up here and shoots holes in this in this legal document all due respect
    02:36:30
    I love him he's an insurance attorney if I went to him and asked him to defend me in this case he would say you would need to go hire somebody that knows something about this now as you very well know as lawyers we can put 20 in a room and they can argue what the definition of is is for three days it's that simple but anyhow
    02:36:53
    I do appreciate your time and I do respect all of you and I thank you for the opportunity and God bless you so I wanted to let you guys see this if you didn't see it make sure
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    I get it in here make sure I get the right spot here I want you guys to get a chance to see what
    02:37:12
    I thought was most important aspect of this the vote came down where they wanted to vote in the amendments which basically gutted the entire bill it just gutted it made it into something that was not the not equal protection it was nothing near it it was a
    02:37:27
    Frankenstein bill and they voted to pass to pass the amendments on the bill but because it was
    02:37:35
    Danny McCormick's bill he had the right to stop them from doing it and to shelf his bill so here's what he did represent
    02:37:46
    McCormick on your bill hello and like I said I do want to say I appreciate this and I don't want this conversation to end but I think it's ended for today mr.
    02:37:56
    speaker if you don't mind I'd like to remove this bill back to the calendar and we appreciate we appreciate you thank you all right that right there was the move
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    I thought all glory to God they tried to gut his bill they tried to make it into something that was unjust and what he did rather than just throwing up his hands and saying well
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    I guess I failed I guess I give up okay you're just gonna turn this into a bill of injustice an iniquitous decree what he did is he actually took it away from them he said nope put it back on the calendar and so they didn't get a chance to get the gutted bill that they were fighting for so that they could continue to say no no no
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    I voted on 813 he didn't give him that he didn't give him that chance he said you're gonna try to actually not allow this to be a bill of justice he said put it back on the calendar
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    I won't let you do it that is a man of courage pray for him pray for his family
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    I'm gonna tell you I spent a lot of time with Danny and he's a good man he's a good good man he loves the
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    Lord and he did what I think many of us wouldn't even been able to do very courageous so praise
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    God for representative Danny McCormick for being so consistent and courageous and I'll let you guys add any final thoughts here no
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    I don't have much to add in addition other than thankful for the the progress that was made on this thankful for what it accomplished and looking forward to what the future brings as a result of it
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    Luke the gangster move by Danny I love that man you can also reach out to Danny and encourage him you can reach out to his office because he's gonna need the encouragement and support so thank you thank you
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    Danny and I forgot to mention early at the beginning the show you got to thank
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    AR 500 for giving us those tools of Liberty which actually you're gonna go see him shortly yeah
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    I gotta I gotta leave right from here and go up north to go to but now I hang out with our guys yeah cross politic up north in Arizona doing a special event tonight so check out cross politic for what we're doing
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    I know dr. white aren't I going up there and so I gotta eat something before I get up there my heads not working now long show thanks
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    Luke for coming in via Skype or zoom thank you all for watching thank you so much for what you did to be a part of this with us everybody thank you so so much there were moments where we knew we had to do something we had to move earth and sky and we're like how's that gonna happen and praise
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    God we were able to say we can do that because we have the support of all these believers who have already provided the way and I mean honestly when a need came up it was like man
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    I didn't see that coming we're gonna pay for that praise God you guys made it to where we could just simply say we have all the tools we need we can do that we can go purchase that thing right now because we have to have it for this we can do it because God's people have been so faithful so thank you
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    I can't tell you what it means to us to be able to say we have to do this for the sake of these children we can do it because we have
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    God's people with us you guys provided the foundation financially to do it so I want to thank you for that this bill is not my bill it's not
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    Luke bill it's not Zach's bill it is the bill of the church we work together to make this happen so if you have prayed and paid for this praise
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    God now let's keep going let's finish this we're gonna win and so it's gonna win with a win -win with faithfulness and so we need your help we need your prayers if you can go to endabortion now calm give there go give it an abortion now calm because the fight is we're in the midst of it and it's getting good for us so all glory to God and we have a ways to go but we need you with us so please go give there we'll catch you next week right here in apology a radio that's