June 19, 2019 Show with Gary George, Gary L. Scott, & William Sasser on “A Loving Tribute to the Late John G. Reisinger: A Sovereign Grace Pioneer During the Calvinistic Resurgence Among Baptists in the Mid-20th Century”

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Introducing the Tribute to John G. Reisinger

Good afternoon, Cumberland County, Pennsylvania Lake City, Florida and the rest of humanity living on the planet Earth who are listening via live streaming at iron sharpens iron Radio .com. This is Chris Arnzen your host of iron sharpens iron radio wishing you all a happy Wednesday on this 19th day of June 2019.

And I'm so thrilled to have three old friends on the program today. Two of which have been guests on iron sharpens iron radio in the past and one will be a first-time guest. We have today pastor Gary George of Sovereign Grace Chapel in Southbridge, Massachusetts Gary L Scott an itinerant Sovereign Grace Baptist evangelist and William Sasser pastor of Grace Church at Franklin, Tennessee.

And we're all going to be discussing a loving tribute to the late John G Riesinger a Sovereign Grace pioneer during the Calvinistic resurgence among Baptists in the mid 20th century. And brethren. It's my honor and privilege to either welcome you back or welcome you for the first time to iron sharpens iron radio.

And I got your Chris. It's great to be with you. Great to be with you brother Chris. Yes, and the.

The last two greetings I got were from Returning guests Gary George and Gary L Scott and the first person whose voice you heard William Sasser. He is a first-time guest on the program and I'm looking forward to this discussion and I'm also looking forward to promoting the 2019 John Bunyan conference in Franklin, Tennessee where God willing I will be manning and iron sharpens iron radio exhibitors booth and Being edified and enjoying the fellowship This coming Sunday through Wednesday.

So I hope that as many of you who are listening especially those who are living in the Tennessee area but also those who are able to take a train plane or automobile can attend the John Bunyan conference in Franklin, Tennessee and Meet me there.

I would love to meet many Listeners whom I've never heard from before and I'd also love to hear from old or meet I should say See again, I should say old friends who have listened to this program for years at the John Bunyan conference in Franklin, Tennessee.

But we'll get be giving you all the details that you need.

To.

Attend this conference during the course of this program. Before I introduce my guests individually I just want to let you know a little bit about the background of Reverend John G Riesinger who? Many of you may have heard of many of you may be discovering this brother for the first time.

Our brother John G. Riesinger passed away not long ago December 17th 2018 at the age of 94. He is survived by his daughter Jean and his son Robert and nine grandchildren and eight great Grandchildren, he was pre-deceased by his wife of 70 years Rosemary and Pastor John Riesinger was a United States Navy veteran of World War two and served with the Seabees in the Pacific Theater.

He was a retired minister and was the former minister at Grace Community Church in Webster, New York, which he started in 1996. Reverend John Riesinger authored 28 books on Christianity and Although I had some disagreements with John he is a key figure in my own journey of Christianity, I Have so many precious memories of attending the John Bunyan conferences in the late 1980s and early 1990s.

Along with another brother who is now with the Lord for eternity Don blend. Don blend was a precious a Very important friend of mine and he was also the pastor of my late wife Julie before we were married and we had so many wonderful times of fellowship with Don blend and I'm assuming that all three of my guests remembered Don from his regular attendance at the John Bunyan conference.

But when I was a new Christian soaking up the doctrines of Sovereign Grace John Riesinger was a powerful influence on my life and understanding of the doctrines of Sovereign Grace, so I am so pleased to be presenting to him a Radio program in memory and loving memory of him today.

Recalling the John Bunyan Conferences and Reisinger's Influence

But let me now introduce to you one by one our guests today. First of all Gary George pastor of Sovereign Grace Chapel in Southbridge, Massachusetts. Gary if you could let our listeners know more about Sovereign Grace Chapel 1990 that was my first another individual on and many phone calls invited me to be production to John.

Yes, and I remember well Your speaking engagements at the John Bunyan conference in Pennsylvania. I remember meeting you for the first time there. I remember being very edified by your messages on amillennialism and also Speaking against the teaching of conditional immortality and annihilation ism and Also, I remember a debate that you did not have there.

But you had it in Queens, New York at the church where our mutual friend Ed Moore is the pastor. You had a debate against hyper preterists there at the North Shore Baptist Church in Bayside, Queens, but our Friendship has been spanning a long time and I thank God for our Our friendship and I remember interviewing you as well on this program if anybody wants to know more about Sovereign Grace Chapel I intend to repeat this information later, but the website is Sovereign Grace ma abbreviation for Massachusetts Sovereign Grace ma org Sovereign Grace ma org and now my old friend Gary L Scott itinerant Sovereign Grace Baptist evangelist.

Gary tell us about what may be new on the horizon. For you in your ministry. I know that perhaps you might be candidating at a church here or there. But to tell us about what's going on in the the life of Gary L Scott these days.

Is Gary with us? Hello Gary. Well, I don't know. Okay, Gary. Can you give us an update? I'm sorry. Can you give us an update on your your ministry your itinerant evangelism ministry and so on? I Don't know.

Well, are you listening to us on the on a computer where there is an echo or delay because you. You're not responding very quickly. Okay.

Okay, let me get about 43 years and about three years ago resigned active pastorate and in the interval. Have been in difficult stabilized Pennsylvania. That's right. Your lead pastor of Arminianism a dash of this and that.

Remember that wasn't just someone. The real mentor a real praise God. And now William Sasser pastor of Grace Church at Franklin, Tennessee. Why don't you tell us first of all something more about Grace Church at Franklin, Tennessee.

Bill and I know you're a Southerner anyway. We're at a Bible conference in Pine Bluff and Great, and if anybody wants more information about Grace Church at Franklin, Tennessee go to Grace.

Church at Franklin org. Grace Church at Franklin org and the at is actually spelled out a T Grace Church a T Franklin org and Franklin is spelled F r a n k l I n. And I hope that if you live in the Franklin Tennessee area or if you have family friends and loved ones in that area or if you're ever Vacationing in that area that you will look up Grace Church at Franklin and pay them a visit or even join them if you live close enough.

Or refer them to people who can join them. Well, the conference that is coming up that I am going to be attending God willing the John Bunyan conference in Franklin, Tennessee. This is a conference that features quite a number of speakers including our three guests today it's going to be held June 23rd through the 26th, which is this Sunday through Wednesday and Perhaps I could have each of you just give a summary of A description of this conference and what you'll be speaking on.

I know that Gary Scott already Discussed that he will be presenting something about cross theater. But perhaps you can add something to that Gary, but let's start with Gary George. What do you plan to address at the John Bunyan conference?

Well, I. Did I did have a spot in the conference as a speaker? But when I recognize it Steve William who I think the keynote speaker at only one slot I'm not having a charge for judging anything to with all the names of this conference all these areas.

How do you have that information. Bill conference where you could begin?

Yes, well, I could even say as one who has always been a member of a Confessionally Reformed Baptist Church that was on the covenantal side of the dispute. I can say that I always found the John Bunyan conferences a rich experience in spite of any differences I had and In fact, I know that at least on one occasion John had a speaker there at the Bunyan conference from the covenantal side of the divide a Brother from England whose name escapes me right now.

He's with the Lord now for eternity. But the Bunyan conference is always fascinated me because there was and perhaps still are a wide variety of people that would attend. From not not a cookie-cutter background you had Amillennial brethren you had pre mill pre trib brethren.

Dispensational brethren. And even at times even though the differences caused a little tension and a little heat during the conferences there was always a tremendous sense of warmth and brotherhood and grace.

And can perhaps Gary George you might be able to explain in your opinion. Why do you think that there was something about the Bunyan conferences that allowed? For people of different backgrounds theologically who obviously agreed on some core things but there was a sense of unity even amidst the tension that would sometimes develop during Discussions and so on.

Oh, yeah, I remember those those nights trying to fall asleep. Feeling like I was sleeping in the barracks along with Colonel Hogan and everybody else from Hogan's heroes and and not being able to fall asleep when you heard the chainsaw of simultaneous snoring going on.

Maybe a month or two later. Yeah, he even he even allowed a proponent of conditional immortality give his two cents after your message if you may remember. Yes, I remember I remember you had a profound comment during your message that has stuck with me all these years that you said that if you believe in conditional immortality and by the way for our listeners who don't know what that is and I may be not.

Exactly as precise as the advocates of that view would want someone to be in describing it but from what I have understood speaking with brethren who believe in that is that they are not annihilationists in The view that somebody is instantly annihilated after death if they're lost or damned.

But they do believe that there will be people in hell suffering but it won't be for eternity and You had said that if somebody could Satisfy the wrath of God through their own punishment in hell. It was a violation of the gospel and I thought that was one of the best Arguments I have heard.

Do you remember saying that I think? Yes, oh, yeah, well a Long Island, New York. I had him debate my friend Ken samples on that many years ago. In fact it was now that I'm thinking about it. It wasn't even on my show was before I had My own show and I got them booked on the Andy Anderson live show on WMCA.

That's what it was. That's why you're thinking New York City because that Is a New York City radio station. But we have to go to we have to go to our first break right now. And I would like to continue our conversation right where were you left off there?

And also, of course have other people chime in on the panel here. And we have to make sure we leave plenty of time to specifically address John Riesinger Who we are paying tribute to today. But if anybody has any questions or comments, our email address is Chris Arnzen at gmail .com.

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Reisinger's Legacy and the Doctrines of Grace

This is Chris Arnson. If you just tuned into our show today, we are paying a tribute to John Riesinger who went home to be with the Lord for eternity.

In.

2018 in December of 2018 and He was a sovereign grace pioneer during the Calvinistic resurgence amongst Baptists in the mid -20th century and remained a powerful influence on the lives and teachings and ministries of many Pastors.

And and I hate to use the term layman, but so that you understand where I'm coming from your ordinary Christian alike throughout the decades after this resurgence began. And Today to pay him tribute we have Gary George pastor of Sovereign Grace Chapel in Southbridge, Massachusetts.

Gary L Scott an itinerant evangelist and William Sasser pastor of Grace Church at Franklin, Tennessee. And I do wish that a mutual friend of all of ours was here to join us Fred Zaspel, he was John Riesinger his right-hand man through the throughout all of the bunion conferences.

Attended he is currently on the pastoral team at the Reformed Baptist Church of Franconia, Pennsylvania. I just want to give him a shout out. Wish you could be with us Fred. And For those of you who live in Franconia, Pennsylvania or close by if you want to pay a visit to the church.

It's RBC Franconia org. RBC Franconia dot org. And one thing that was interesting about Something that we were just addressing John Riesinger is being very clear about and passionate about specific things that he believed and perhaps even being adamantly opposed to certain things, but at the same time having a Attitude of charity.

Even with the man who was his right-hand man at the John Bunyan conferences the aforementioned Fred Zaspel. They had a very strong difference of opinion on eschatology. John being he never said he was on millennial.

I don't think but he from what I could gather he was. And Fred being historic dispensationalist. I'm sorry. Sorry about that historic Premillennialist. One of the reasons that was a Freudian slip there is.

I remember John Viewed all premillennialism as dispensationalism. And he and he Really wouldn't cut slack with anybody on that issue. But Gary Scott If you could tell us something about.

The.

The friendship that you had with John Riesinger and I know that you would have been among those who was historic Premillennialist and may have had other differences. Tell us something about how you appreciated John's strictness combined with tolerance and charity.

Just to let you know that that's really where he was coming from now, he's convinced of it. To be doing at the conference and and that will answer the flow of we're like men can do. We have become Smith and so behind this is world the director and sending his son or I went to a Bible college.

It was dispensational. I went to a seminary that was covenantal and I came out of seminary convinced that both of them had fatal flaws. And in those days in the night early 19th Alternatives and I remember leaving there being convinced of what I would have called a historical theologians.

It was while I was at began about the flow of redemptive history and new covenant theology. And really in the flow of redemptive history part of that very long was there. John Riesinger was there. Focus of that was trying to wrestle with how do we understand the movement?

Really solidified my commitment to understand that and I was given the assignment of looking at how The gospel the law and gospel is really working through the text from that and that provides before anything existed.

God determined that that love change that love and New covenant theology begins to trace that from God's love that was it. What God is people image bearers would know his love his love for following tracking with us.

I want to give just a quick summary of this that love was spurned and it looked like maybe this Project is going to fail. But that was in the script. God has scripted Adam and Eve in order to open the business.

Love love this promise. He made that promise to Abraham. He actually made the promise earlier to Adam that the seed of the woman would crush the seed of the serpent and then made the promise to Abraham that he was going to be a blessing for the whole world and all of the Old Testament is really about God's love.

That was promised. It's going to come to fruition and ultimately going to come in the form of the Messiah. And of Jesus Christ. We find that love now is actually fulfilled what he's been. Promising what he expressed.

Abraham now comes to its fulfillment in God. Coming to this earth not an angel not a text not a tweet in flesh. Come to this world and now he's going to show God's love in a way that we would never know that and I love the passage in 1st John 4 where he says this is how God showed his love among us.

He sent his one and only son that we might live through him and it looks like what when you cut that. No, it's really not that. I need to go back to heaven and or and when he comes he's going to flesh this out.

And so Paul says in Romans 5 given us the mother's love in our heart. So this love that was promised and fulfilled in Christ is now embodied and this is critical in My understanding and the passion that I have after pastoring for almost 50 so many professing Christians this I believe this but it's really not integrated or embodied in their life and The whole point of the New Covenant is now that Christ has formed the New Covenant community.

He's given us his spirit that spirit embodies his love families and Intellectual thing is it's not a mind game. But now but but but gospel is embodied but that doesn't bring that to an end. We have the hope that this love is going to be consummated, you know.

There's a day coming that there's going to be this glorious Consummation when Christ comes with you planted in my mind and heart for John's ministry of the bunion Compound for on Baptist theology he embraced through some of my early From the bunion John went later went on during that along give me an opportunity To present some of those things to interact with some of those things and where I am today great.

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