Responding to the IFB/KJVOs: James White and Jeff Durbin

Greetings and what would you see it zoom in there at the end? That's that's that's pretty cool. Yeah, that's fun. Rich has been having a lot of fun. He's also been very bossy so far. So if and if so if I have to stop.

It's because he's waving at me and telling me to look someplace else and all the rest of stuff. So welcome to the dividing line. We have advertised this. To let people know we've got a lot to cover and not a lot of time in which to do it.

What's gonna happen here is for the next hour and 50 minutes I have an in-studio ninja guest. By name of Jeff Durbin who I've heard so many rumors about him recent. We're gonna clarify all of them for you.

I feel like what's that guy? Maury Maury Maury Povich. Whatever show he has where you know, he. I almost I almost grabbed a manila envelope, you know. And the results of the DNA test are. And you told the truth you.

Well, not only that but I've just heard that you've been undercover recently. No one's seen you. No, I have.

This is the first appearance. First appearance publicly. I can't talk about where I've been.

Well, you were a church. I mean that was sort of everybody who actually knows me. So anyway but we have a bunch of stuff to cover because there has been a Explosion, what do we call it the IFB slander fest?

Yes, yes independent fundamental separated Baptist King James only. King James only. But but this is we're just talking about smaller than that because we've been receiving I've been receiving letters.

Oh, sorry, but let's do this real fast. Yes. So I this is uh, oh good grief. How's exactly. I come in real fast and just wait for the camera. So you you gave me This as a Christmas gift, which I'm so thankful for and Now I have the most epic combination of rivals.

There is nothing like that. Nothing world. Nothing.

So this is so you need to tell that now you had gotten the ESV and that's the in in mainly red. Yes, and you got that from Jeffrey Rice post-end of it to post tennis, right? It says apology on the front.

Mm-hmm. And so I got this idea I of course my famous Jeffrey Rice is a Nessie all-in 28 large print edition. Yeah in that beautiful Italian goatskin, that's right. And so I'm sitting here going. All right, I want to get Jeff a Nessie all-in 28th edition, but at first I thought we just make it match what you already had and then I started thinking Let's make it the exact reverse.

Yeah, and so I contacted Jeffrey and I said you still have all the data and stuff from you know. You remember what his looked like and so like that said, oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, we can do it. We can do it.

So.

It has this just amazing like check like checkerboard. It is like a chessboard or checkerboard. Yes.

Yeah, it's sort of a really cool effect. But that's the Nessie all-in large print so it's actually readable for those of us who I hate to hate to point this out but. You are on the you are in your fifth decade now.

Mm-hmm. And.

These things are gonna start. It's so funny. You're saying that I was just in the store two nights ago and I said, babe I think I mean, I'm thinking he glasses and she's like, what do you mean? Are you sure?

I was like, I think I need glasses. Stuff is starting to get fuzzy far away. I was just he hit me once again.

Well, it's not the far away stuff. That's so frustrating. Yeah, it's the it's the the fact that on pill bottles they use fonts. They're like like three-point. Yeah, and that's why that's why there are overdoses.

Yeah, it makes you guys because you're getting older.

Yeah, but anyways, we sound when we first met I never knew that we'd be having conversations about becoming old.

Oh, well that happens. Unfortunately, just rich and I sit around all the time. I'll let you do this.

So I you gave me an amazing sword, right? So I thought it's so hard to buy it's so hard to buy. It's so hard by a gift for you because I was like, well, what can I do? That would be special and be meaningful.

And so I thought. It's long. Yes. Yeah, it is long. So I'll let you I'll let you go ahead and open it. That's my Christmas present to you. I've only got room for for two back here. Oh, this is special sword.

It's different. So I knew you had these swords. So Yes. So this is unique because. What? Yeah, there you go. Look at it. So this is unique because it's a ninja Sword so from a ninja and if you noticed and I hope the audience can see it.

Oh, it's got a blue it has a blow dart thing. You can slip out and it has the darts. And so you so you can slip it out and you can like that and but but they won't go through the glass. So you calm down rich from now on.

So there yeah, so there and I also have this nice little stand there's there's more yeah, there's more you got plenty.

So all we need to do is get some good poison for you so you can. Well, yeah or some, you know, vitamin b12. Yeah.

I'm wide awake now. So, there you go so there's a stairs that there's actually a story behind the shape of this sword and that's that the samurai forged their sword so that. They had a curve and they did that so they can get under particular armor, right?

So the ninjas a lot of them were actually like Associated with samurai or they were either a war with the samurai so they understand their tactics.

Oh, is that why that was in the last samurai was the ninjas were attacking? Yes.

So there's there's a whole like there's a whole story too. Well, yeah, no not there. By the way, that is one of my all-time favorite fight scenes. My friends choreographed that scene and it's my favorite.

So that's very sharp now. I have to be honest. Unfortunately, that is not a battle-ready sword. Okay, so, you know the difference by the handle. There's wooden pegs inside here. Uh-huh. If it was a real Ford sword, you want to have steel pegs something that wouldn't break it wouldn't break.

That'll do the trick it'll do the trick. It may it may fail if the other guys got a sword too. If he's a samurai.

With a real sword so that the the story behind it is that the ninjas created their sword Straight to confuse the samurai because the samurai were used to a curved blade. So when the ninja would come and attack because their sword was straight they could actually do some unique maneuvers.

It would slip underneath the curve of their blade. So there's the story behind that. Wow. Well, thank you and poison darts and poison darts, that's right. Yes. So so we're back. Hey guys, we're glad you joined us for our.

Time together. Here I'm just sort of wondering what the IFB's are gonna do with that.

Something something I think with the sweaters, too. Yeah, I think so, too.

Yeah, but given some of the things they say but you were actually you started to say something and we we jumped off.

We wanted to differentiate between these guys and now I yeah, so we've been receiving messages for two weeks. I have at least I think you were on one as well and independent fundamental Baptist ministers who are stable.

Who know the Lord and know the gospel? Have a message saying hey, we're grateful for your ministry. We love you guys. You've been a blessing to us. We use your stuff to help our congregation get out and do evangelism.

Please differentiate. Please just know that this is a this is a even smaller Version of that and and they admitted in the videos they do know they do. I don't think we're saying something they would disagree with.

It's a very small. Yeah, very very small.

In fact, if you use their definition of Christianity there has not been Christianity until fairly recently. Yeah, I mean they say we've always been around but if you know church history and the incredibly unique mixture of beliefs that they represent right.

No, I mean at the absolute earliest you'd have to maybe. You could stretch something to the Anabaptist, but you there's no way you go to the early church. I mean you not even the trail of blood stuff could possibly yeah put all this stuff together.

So the point being that there is a. Well, first of all in in an hour and 40 some odd minutes I'm going to be doing a 70 minute exchange with Pastor Robinson. Who at least had the temerity to step up right and respond to the invitation?

I'm not even sure where we are anymore. Step up the invitation and I just had the idea that the best way to. I don't know if you heard the discussion between.

Michael Brown and Senator on the atonement on you. So I only saw you talking about I haven't heard. Okay.

Michael and I are gonna do our own. Yeah, it just needs to be needs to be done needs to be done the right way. It tended to go all over the place because it was just simply cross-examination and so you'd end up going over here and then you know In five minutes, you're on a topic way over there and you've totally left this.

I sort of think the best way to Contrast how the two groups ourselves and these guys Operate is to go straight to the scriptures, right? Right both sides claim to believe in the soul of scriptura and to have the Bible is preeminent they are King James only us and so there is some we're gonna look at some weird stuff that comes from that but Let's Let's put it out there.

So people can hear one side handle one text And then the other side do the exact same thing and then have cross-examination on that text only. And closing saves. I think that's the best way to avoid all the Grandstanding and all the rest of the stuff that goes with it.

Yeah, and so we're gonna be doing that at 6 p .m. Eastern Standard Time, whatever time it is where you are As that's coming up so between now and then we have time to be responding to some of the Amazing stuff that seemingly my guess and I think you agreed with this.

My guess is this is Pre movie stuff this this video that they're doing called Calvinism doctrine of demons. It just seems like there's a coordinated People are working together. Yeah, right, right. It's not like You and I have all of a sudden been doing a bunch of weird stuff.

Even though they are saying they've been attacking us ours that you mean responding responding to what you're saying. We certainly weren't coming after you first. Believe me. We have more important things to be doing both of us do I suppose before I start playing some video We sort of have run around the gum stump a few times.

But we were thinking about doing something and maybe in just a couple of minutes You are One of the three elders of apology a church and you are now The first pastor I've had that's younger than me. Mm-hmm.

What do you think about that? I'm it's. I'm having a hard time with it, but I'm handling it. Well.

Look looks. Luke said he was so happy to get done with that first sermon. Yeah, right, which which I I'm like, well, okay, it makes me feel somewhat bad, but someone good I get it big news was I'm you're stuck with me now.

I'm sorry. In fact, Zachary Conover wrote to me last week and said hey, I've been assigned as your deacon. I said What do the guys have against you?

No. In the meeting with the deacons we're trying to talk about who needs to be cared for and new people who needs to be assigned. So they're taken care of and checked in on and I was like, well who wants to be dr.

And it was funny just the table. Table fell silent and then that and then Zach goes.

He can show you the text I was like you poor man, what do they have. I mean Seriously, so but it's made lots of news and all sorts of scuttlebutt and all the rest of stuff but the fact matter is You know, I was at the same place for almost 30 years so I'm not a church hopper and When when I think of the relationship we've had for Really the entirety of the existence of apologia.

I mean, no, absolutely. I don't know how many times I've preached there But all the elders have said, you know, you've had a formative influence on our theology and stuff like that. It's like a like an obvious fit in many ways.

Yeah, and obviously I want to Be a blessing in any way that I can be to To the church you will testify that I before we did that I said we need to sit down and talk about the negatives. Yeah. Because I'm not easy to have but we both also decided that we pretty much attract the same critics.

We do and so it's as obvious here, right as is obvious here. I mean You're you're my name had been associated in so many different ways both by the Mormons and by other groups as well right, and so there is that in in the background and I really have to wonder how much of What has happened recently is related that they started a rumor that I was moving to Tempe right all the rest of that stuff and It's like no The church is in Tempe, but well sort of not now.

Thanks. Appreciate. Yeah, I joined up and then you move even go.

Yeah, we're temporarily moved. Yeah, we're I mean, I mean.

I'm gonna have to leave on Saturdays to get to it.

That's right contrary to some comments made by Anderson, which you would have no way of knowing. The apology a church is not a flop. It's a thriving growing church. Everyone's there all at once 300 350 people, but we don't have our own building.

So we're moving. Yes to Mesa temporarily hopefully and then and we'll find a spot. Yeah.

Well, we only have the one service. So even us almost Glendale people can can make the choice. Make the one that's right. Can we can make the track? So yeah, so yes, so we have that connection, but Alpha Omega is not going away.

Apology is not going away. We're not coalescing into one big thing. We've been working together. You filled in for me. I've filled in for you. It's but you have your areas of expertise and emphasis and I have mine and you know.

We help each other but but we don't have to you know, step on each other's feet and stuff like that. You help me.

I help you. It's it's how we want to for people who are just getting to know like maybe this whole You know relationship in this these ministries. I the first Christian book I ever read When I when I first heard the gospel was that's right and exactly that cover.

There you go.

That's right. The first first edition. That's right.

And I read that and and then I met you in 1996 when I first moved out here I went to the Mormon Temple Mormon and Mesa at the corner of Maine and Hobson. That's right. Didn't have any friends here yet.

I had really was still there. That's exactly right I always ate and you got an Arby's throwing at your head didn't they miss and hit me in the chest? Okay, so yeah, so I first met you in 1996. I had already read your book and then actually it was rich.

He probably doesn't remember this. It was rich that told me who you were. I saw you surrounded by a I'm 18 years old. I have no friends. I got my backpack on with Mormon stuff in my backpack. I see you I don't know who you are.

This is your this is scholar stage. This was the you know the hair and the big glasses and and I watched you event I watched you witness to this this crowd of Mormon teens and missionaries. This is when they were still talking to us, right?

And and I was so blessed by what I was hearing. I was like, oh, thank thank God There are people who actually want to reach these people and then I asked rich I said I said who is he and then he said well, that's James White.

I was like wait. Not James White that King James only controversy. Yeah, that's him. I couldn't believe it. I'm like stomach. Whoa, this is insane so that's actually where we first met and then it was it was years and years of just sort of like crossing paths and I'm Reading a book and I'm talking to you here and there and a few times and ask you questions.

And I don't know what it was definitely probably around the beginning of apology a church that we were doing radio. Yes, that's when we started to really get a communication and and and just it was yeah.

So, I mean, I mean, it's true. It makes sense. I mean apology a church Is the result of your labor and teaching and all these years pouring into me? And so it makes a lot of sense that you would be an apology a and contrary to a lot of interesting things I've heard about it lately.

Yeah, so well, all I can say is you're a patient man, and I want to I want to really and part of the joke with with Zach on the Deacon thing was You poor man, but I really want to make sure he doesn't have to worry too much about that particular group on his left.

Right, right is is primarily a thing. Anyways so much for that that sort of gives you some of the background. I wanted to talk about that just briefly because everyone's talking about it's like, you know, whatever and by the way.

Wasn't it funny? When I forget which one of these guys it was I think it was the guy that I'm doing my yeah. It was the guy that I'm doing my dialogue with. When he went after you and Apologia, he said I'm gonna read some from some of the stuff on their website.

Mm-hmm, and what he was reading was the 1689 London Baptist Confession. He didn't see even seem to realize it. Really? He he seemed to think that was something you guys can't come up with and all it was was the 1689.

So, I mean this goes this goes back you know. All all the way back to the the forming of Reformed Baptist and he didn't even recognize what it was and what's important about that is that we we do have a Confession now now there are a lot of Reformed Baptists that have a exact liturgy and culture attached to that that Apologia has a variant form of I mean there are Reformed Baptists who have Guitars and drums and then they're Reformed Baptists who will burn you if you have guitars and drums and then there are people in between.

So but but it is not a non-confessional church there is a there is a standard. There is a strong doctrinal stance there has to be. To be able to do apologetics in a meaningful way. You all agree with me that theology determines your apologetics not the other way around you.

We both have Benefited greatly from Greg Bonson and and and all the rest of stuff. And so yeah, it makes perfect sense. They don't get it because they don't have a connection to history. They have no earthy idea where they've come from.

They don't really seem to care. Where they've they've come from and that's that's one of the sad things about about what we're looking at. Well, we're never getting anything done if I don't start playing stuff.

That's okay.

That's I think it's good though. It gives people at least a bit of a taste and flavor of the background of who are we talking about? What's the connection? How does this happen. And I think that you already said it?

But I just want to stress it for those who are watching. Some of the comments that have been sort of most disruptive to me in terms of like I just don't get it these guys. What are they. What are they saying is is when they say things like and they attack this guy and this guy and it's like.

Well guys if you looked at your videos and how they're titled and those have come first and so the response that we're trying to do is as Christian ministers That are concerned ultimately for of course their souls.

But I'm like you posted yesterday very concerned for the people who are being abused by them.

Yeah, I really do think that the abusive language that they use just regularly just listen. And I sometimes wonder if because of their mindset they even realize they're using it, right? I think it's so normative in some of these groups to have such a low view of Anyone who's different than you?

That it really makes me wonder if they even recognize the nastiness of their language. Which also means that that follows through into the pastor people relationship as well, right. And you and I have both talked with people who've come out of very abusive churches in that context and That's right.

Where my real concern is I would love to run into some of these guys ten years down the road and say, you know what? Lord it's been gracious to me and has done a work in my life and I you know. But who knows that I can't I can't expect that.

I simply have to work toward that and hope for the best. But aside from the nastiness they throw out toward you and I Where they focus upon The hipster, right. Which you'll never you've never understood.

Your kids probably think that's one of the funny.

My wife and and children think that some of the things that are said online about me are the most hilarious thing one time there Was actually a little clip from Steven Anderson my wife and children all my children drove home and they laughed about 15 minutes straight because she played it and it went through the stereo and he was saying his wife is a drunk.

He's a drunk and they were cackling like like almost like out of breath because they couldn't from their perspective. That's the most hilarious thing ever. Like do you know who you're talking about? No, they don't like I mean it wouldn't take long to just type in Jeff Durbin addiction into the into the into Google or YouTube and then how many videos need to be up where you learn about my being a full-time pastor and chaplain at a drug rehab.

That the speaking around the world on addiction and the ministries and the articles and the special videos. I mean, I'm doing a series I did a series with Douglas Wilson and Toby Sumter and myself on Drug and alcohol and pornography addiction like people are you know utilizing this around the world, right?

I wouldn't take you long to find it. So there's a lot of yeah, so there's it's just from my perspective. There's a lot of a lot of false witness. I don't even. We're not even gonna get into today don't know nor do we need to a lot of slander a lot of gossip, but the main concern from my perspective and of course from yours is what does the Word of God say and.

The gospel they're presenting the gospel. That's the main thing issue, but I do want to touch on one thing that's relevant to what you just said. Taking the time to look at your videos. Taking the time to read any of my books right listen to more than 160 debates.

They can listen just one. Yeah, I wanted to but there it's not like they're hard to find from their perspective from these men's perspective there is there is a willful and prideful ignorance it is from their perspective an act of compromise to actually Listen to what the other side has to say and this is a part of the IFB movement as a whole.

Historically because it's like don't listen to what's outside of our yeah our group. Yeah, because we are afraid that if you do and they've experienced this Generation of generation they send their kids out other kids only have this much experience of Christianity yeah, they go to the university and Even on the best day, maybe they run into some some Calvinists or something like that and go wow there are people that aren't exactly like us that really seem to have a Love for the Lord and things like that a grasp of the scriptures and they baptize their babies and oh no and and The result is frequently what we see in the emergent church movement.

We're okay, that means I can throw it all out right instead of the the gradual broadening to biblical parameters of recognizing What is what's called adiaphora and what's yeah. Yes, so there is this mindset that we get with it and when we catch them saying just Incredibly stupid things part of is because they don't want they they will not take the time To read a book to watch a video to do anything other than to look for something to attack right never to understand because to seek to understand is a compromise and That's where the danger is and so they can't accurately represent Muslims or or or Methodists because all of as long as you are not in their tiny little little area there then you can't possibly be saved and that means everything gets elevated to a Definitional doctrine.

Everything pre-millennial us. I mean, there's something they're into the pre-tribulation. You're out of here I mean literally anathematizing each other over post-trib. Exactly. Everything becomes a definitional doctrine and so they can just dismiss you and I as as heretics going to hell and in fact Let me let me start with this one real quick.

This was this Fellow from Steadfast or whatever wherever he is here. Let me let me get this here real quick. I think it was around right about here. This is how he finished up looking at the Christian message right Christian message track a Track to which he said I never once quoted scripture and there are five full citations of verses plus about 57 References to verses in it.

So, you know the research but here's here's how we here's how he finished up.

You heretic according to the Bible you will burn in hell. According to the Bible because you preach a work Salvation and you preach that there are some people that cannot be saved because God already picked them for for hell.

The Bible says let you be accursed. James White go to hell.

So we're not making this up. No, that's the that's the that's the attitude. So from their perspective, we aren't Christians, so we don't deserve. And no non-christian deserves to be Treated respectfully or accurately and that's where they come up with the attitude.

They have.

Yeah, and and it just and also just in terms of people I think getting background that could be helpful. I came out of an independent fundamental separated Baptist background. So when I moved to Arizona the first church I went to in Bible College, I went to was all that I know the culture I was in it for at least two years.

And I saw people escape from it and I thought that was strange that they were using words like I've escaped, you know. It was just I wasn't raised in church at all. And so this is all new to me and I thought well these guys believe the Bible.

They are saying the Bible's the Word of God and this is the very truth and everything needs to be tested by that and that Was something that I was drawn to like that's very important draws a lot of you but then of course it started actually experiencing some of those abuses like the stuff like you know what let me go look at movies you have in your house and.

You know one time I ran into some some some friends from Bible College and church at the movie theater and they were terrified when They saw me they thought they were gonna get in trouble. Because I'm gonna tell on them that they went to a movie, you know that sort of a thing.

It was just I started to see like the cultural part of it. That wasn't rooted in Scripture. You know Elvis Presley Elvis Presley gospel music was anathema. Elvis Presley gospel music was it was anathema, you know, just like you can't listen to this you can't do this.

I mean, there's even videos you can see today of you know. Some of these guys saying what people are a lot what people should be drinking, you know, don't drink juice. Yeah, and in terms of like do you have a TV in your house, you know and condemnation of those sorts of things.

So there's you know, there's stuff here that's in terms of the abuse of Scripture, but there's also the the sociological manipulation. That often occurs in the cults. Yes, that is happening within this segment.

That is also concerning to me and and you know when you and I have to make decisions is what we're gonna respond to. I'm being attacked every single day from the cults and atheists. I mean hundreds and thousands of messages are coming in so we have to make decisions as to who we're gonna respond to and why and what's meaningful and I think I Agree with you that this is a concern that I have because I have a special place in my heart for these people.

But also in terms of the people who are being abused here. That's why so very important and you can see that behavior. I would just ask people who are watching this right now that are part of this movement.

I would ask you to consider the kind of conduct That glorifies God in terms of interaction when you've seen dr. White or myself interact or other. You know reform guys interact with somebody who's in a cult or Islam.

Do you see this kind of abusive behavior? Like are you seeing are you seeing what's in accordance with godliness now? Don't get me wrong. I talk all the time about the need for the serrated edge. Right, but you when you see the serrated edge abused by the Apostle Paul or the Lord Jesus or any of the Old Testament prophets?

In the scriptures you see a serrated edge used with balance and a purpose for the glory of God and his character upholding that and truth and not about protection of me or Promote my organization or promoting me you always see it in terms of protection of the glory of God.

The character of God those sorts of things if you if the first thing you do Is grab this right.

You got a problem because We may be given this But I would rather use a scalpel to remove and heal immediately. Yeah, then be called upon to use this to defend the flock. Or to take out a false teacher or something along those lines and here's the problem this appeals to my ego and To my flesh to go here first.

Because if I use the scalpel People aren't going to see that and they're not going to necessarily comment upon that and so the point is that our default should always be grace first and Allow the spirit to lead there have been some times and you've probably experienced this as well.

Maybe out in Mesa Salt Lake City. Whatever the situation or context might be where I have been Constrained by the spirit to in an unusual way. I mean rich will tell rich will tell you That back in back in the day.

Hey rich, I was gonna say rich will tell you that back in the day. You and I had to have some conversations About your flesh. Yes in the witnessing situation. In fact, all I have to do is say go for it, buddy.

To remind rich of his younger days in in Mesa. Yeah, okay, that's natural for us. We have to learn to be the instrument of the spirit to bring peace first and foremost, but there have been times when for example, I am Ministering the gospel to someone and someone else tries to swoop in to try to Take someone away like bar Jesus in Acts and at that point I'll I'll get out the spiritual version of that in a second right and take someone right off at the top.

Yeah. But that has to be a rarity. Not the regularity and when you see guys like this sitting around talking to each other in that constant Swinging the sword mode that is not only destructive to the churches.

They're in but it's destructive to them. Mm-hmm. I mean from my perspective they cannot keep that up for a very long period of time before they're gonna be swinging at each other and Then swinging at their wives and their children and everybody close to them and they are going to be a wreck, right?

And I think it just as as something put down as the foundation of all this. It should be the scriptures that guide us in terms of what is what is Holy Spirit inspired conduct? What does this look like if you look at the life of Jesus you look at the Apostles and and you don't see this.

Constant constant constant hacking sword chop chop chop kill kill destroy when the Apostle Paul says in Galatians chapter 1 Let them be anathema. Like that's a pretty big deal for him to just drop that like let me give this to you in the first couple of verses Anathema it's like whoa Paul serious here.

He's very serious. Obviously why because look what he's saying and he just opened up with this. It's a big deal. It wasn't something that he was constantly doing and why and he had a question we had to ask is like why?

How does Jesus of course through the grace of God and the in the in the drawing of the father? How does Jesus? Draw so many people to him in his ministry. It's he's not doing it by destroying everybody.

Like why are so many sinners wanting to hang out with Jesus? Well, it's certainly not because he was abusive to them.

He was straightforward with him. And of course in our society today These folks give us all a bad name in front of the world because they are the stereotypical in your face Using language of others. It's extremely disrespectful and people see there's there's Christianity.

And the bad thing is since they're called Baptists if I'm a Baptist you get lumped in you get lumped in and we can't expect The other people to make the differentiation and realize Baptist really doesn't actually express a whole lot I mean it all it talks about is motive mode of one particular ordinance of the church.

And there are non-trinitarian Baptists. And I mean, I mean, it's not a definitional Defining term. Yes a little bit strange along those lines. And so there's all sorts of reasons to do this Kind of discussion, but again, we keep going off topic.

Let's that's okay. Let's get to Do you want to Let's let's skip past let's see you were possessed by a devil Sobriety issue. I'm a stinking Froot Loop. And that's meant by the way Did you know that the rainbow over the Grand Canyon is also meant to be a Froot Loop thing?

It's got to be homosexual homosexual. I I'm not sure why God would would continue to do that rainbow thing But and that was just a picture of it. I'm sure God owned that first. I think yeah, I think he did and then effeminate blah blah blah blah let's go to let's get to one of the key issues and that is the subject of regeneration and The issue of salvation because I it truly concerns me when I can hear men mocking Fundamental biblical doctrine just simply based on their own ignorance and their own lack of study And their own embracing of traditions, so let's dive into this and I May be too close to this you may end up hearing him accusing me of something Let me let me get a little bit farther here.