May 19, 2021 Show with Bob Kauflin & Foto Sisters on “Music That Glorifies God”

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Music That Glorifies God and the G3 Conference

And I'm thrilled to have a day of music here on Iron Sharpens Iron Radio. We are going to be addressing music that glorifies God, and in order to do that, we have provided for your blessing, I'm sure, the musical gifts of both Bob Kauflin, director of Sovereign Grace Music, who was our guest during the first hour, and then also in the second half of our program, the Photo Sisters.

And we're also going to be announcing the G3 Conference 2021. And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you for the very first time ever to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Bob Kauflin.

It's a joy to be here, Chris.

I appreciate that. In fact, a Canadian Christian rock band created that opening piece specifically for Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, and also provided the Canadian announcer, which is why they pronounced iron for Iron Sharpens Iron.

And I've had a few people ask me about that from the United States who didn't know that. That's how Canadians pronounce iron.

That is correct.

Yeah, amen. And tell us about Sovereign Grace Music, please.

Well, we've been around since the mid -80s, concentrating four local churches from...

Well, praise God. And as the name indicates, Sovereign Grace Music, I'm assuming you and those that are involved in the music are believers in the doctrines of Sovereign Grace.

We are indeed. Yeah, we're part of a family of churches, the Sovereign Grace Churches. And yeah, we would...

Yeah, I first became familiar with Sovereign Grace Music years ago when I was invited to a conference on the New Jersey shore that was being run by my dear friend, Pastor Ed Moore of North Shore Baptist Church in Bayside, Queens.

Oh, man!

Oh, you know Ed.

I know Ed, sure!

Yeah.

Oh, my goodness.

Well, during the entire conference, they were exclusively using the music of Sovereign Grace Music as the praise music. And I can't remember right now who the speaker was, but it was somebody connected with Sovereign Grace Ministries.

Wow. Amen.

Well, I'm going to play a song by Sovereign Grace Music. And to whet the appetites of those listening, perhaps giving them even more enthusiasm and interest in attending the G3 conference coming up in Atlanta, Georgia, September 30th through October 2nd.

As I said during the announcements, you will be providing some of that music, that worship music there. And so will the Photo Sisters, our second and third guests, I guess you could say, during the second hour.

And before I play the song, what can you tell me about Lord My Rock and My Redeemer?

Oh, certainly by a good friend of mine, Nate Stiff. And ease that out.

Amen.

Well, here it is. Lord My Rock and My Redeemer. What a beautiful song.

Amen.

Tell us about the other individuals that are involved in creating this beautiful music. Well, praise God. Why don't you tell us, as we have a tradition here, I'm not sure I even told you this before the show.

We have a tradition here where whenever we have a first-time guest, we ask that guest to provide a summary of their salvation testimony, including the kind of religious atmosphere, if any, you were raised in, the providential experiences our Sovereign Lord raised up in your life that drew you to himself and saved you, and how you discovered the doctrines of grace as well.

I would be very happy to tell that story. I was raised Roman Catholic. And I was a good Roman Catholic. I loved a priest.

Wow, you loved it more than I did.

Yeah, yeah. More than a lot of my friends did. Although I was never an altar boy. And that was in 1972. And there was a, hey, and I kind of put him off and said, and he was persistent. And he took me to Romans, and he said, did you do anything to free gift, like you've been chosen to him for the foundation of the earth?

Okay.

You know, I was chosen. I didn't choose him. He must have chosen me, kind of like in the 90s.

And what is the philosophy that you have of Christian music? There is obviously different approaches and different philosophies to Christian music that are out there. And perhaps many involved in Christian music don't even have a pre-thought, pre-planned philosophy.

Sometimes that shows. But one of the things I could tell you that I appreciate greatly about the Sovereign Grace music is that it is very, it is extremely conducive to congregational worship, as opposed to entertainment, as opposed to passive spectator worship, where you're just observing, listening, enjoying.

It is conducive to drawing you in to want to join in with the music and sing along with it. But if you could, in your own words, tell us a philosophy that you may have.

Well, that is why I say we talk about music for the church, music in the church. We're not just talking about Christian music in general. Yeah. I think that when we sing, when the music is too lousy—.

In fact, that could even be with classical music. I have been in very traditional Reformed churches that have had brass bands and hymnody and psalmody. And I have not been able to hear my own voice, because that might be a blessing to everybody, but I'm totally drowned out by the musical instruments.

Yes, yeah. And the point, thinking about music in the church, maybe it's not that biblical. Maybe it's one of the things. Another way might be singing about the Word of God, who Jesus is. And that's what I'm surprised mostly of the ways we feel about God, things we want to say to God about how it actually comes.

That's not in our songs. We're not going to be able to dwell in people, which is kind of like putting a log on a fire that's just getting started. It can land on deaf ears. People can sing words they're not really thinking about, and that's not—.

So we try to write songs, and we don't always succeed, but we try to—. Frustrating musicians who can't find a job on Saturday nights, I want to use—. Let them hear their voices, because it's—.

Amen.

I'm going to play another song before we go to our first station break. I want to pray, all praise to him. Anything—I mean, it's a very self-explanatory, the title, but anything you'd like to—you'd like to set it up at all?

Yeah, I wrote this with my friend Matt McCann. I can't remember which one. Matt Merker has written help with that, and—.

Okay, we're going to bless you all with all praise to him, and we're going to immediately segue into a commercial break. If you have questions for our guests today, please send them to chrisarnson at gmail .com.

Chrisarnson at gmail .com. Give us your first name, at least, your city and state of residence, and your country of residence. If you live outside the USA, please only remain anonymous. If your question involves a personal and private matter, let's say you disagree with your own pastors about the music in your own church, or maybe you're even a pastor, you disagree with your fellow elders or your denomination, whatever the case is that would compel you to remain anonymous, we understand.

But please, if it's just a general question for Bob Kauflin of Sovereign Grace Music, please give us your first name, at least, your city and state of residence, and your country of residence. We'll be right back after these messages.

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And we hope that you join us there at the G3 Conference in Atlanta, Georgia, September 30th through October 2nd. Go to g3conference .com, g3conference .com. You know, listening to that last song, Bob, I was reminded how much I love Celtic music.

And I don't even know if that was a thought in your head when you arranged that song, but it surely, to me, to my ear, was very reminiscent of that. Am I off-bass, on-bass?

Well, if we added a penny whistle, it would be a lot more Celtic. But it could be as often using Celtic music.

Yeah, there's almost a militaristic sound to it as well.

Yeah, and that's my son singing. And he's going to be helping... Actually, I'm going to be helping him. We're going to lead together at the G3 Conference.

Oh, cool. And that would be Devin?

Yes, that's Devin, right. I have two sons. One's Devin, one's Jordan.

Well, I'm going to play another song. Great God and... Oh, Great God, I'm sorry. Any background information we should know about that song?

Yeah, this came from an album we did back in 2006 called The Valley of Vision, based on Arthur Bennett's prayer book, The Valley of Vision.

Yeah, we actually just did a two-hour tribute recently on The Valley of Vision, published by Banner of Truth.

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And Roger's a very conservative, thoroughly Calvinistic, low church Anglican. And he was just fascinating, paying tribute. But I digress. I'm sorry. You can pick up where I left off.

No, that's all right. My mind and things, different things together.

Great. Well, here it is, folks. Oh, Great God. Beautiful, beautiful song. We do have an anonymous listener. And the anonymous listener says, You were talking before about music in the church and that it should not be some kind of a talent show.

I have noticed in the church where I'm a member that sometimes people volunteer to provide music that have absolutely no talent at all. And they are given free reign to perform during worship services.

Don't you think it is our duty as Christians to be honest and yet loving and tender and patient with people like this that do not have talent to somehow let them know that they do not have the gifts that they think they possess?

It is really disruptive, in my opinion, to the service. And it robs you of the worship experience, hearing someone with a totally horrible voice and no musical skills whatsoever. And that is typically drowned out as far as the voice is concerned.

When the whole congregation is singing together, there's something almost miraculous about how a group of people, especially a large congregation, when singing, sounds so beautiful, even though that many people, if not most of them, have no training in singing.

But when somebody is up on a stage either alone, or in a duet, or a trio, or a family, it is very noticeable if they do not possess talent. What is your opinion on this?

That is certainly patience is required in all these situations. We want for musicians in the church, and that is that they not be discouraged. I mean, a vocal should not... The only person is patience.

Yes, and you're really not doing anybody a favor by bolstering a false impression of themselves, where they are going around thinking that they do have talent because they've been encouraged by family, friends, loved ones, and congregation members.

And in the meantime, they're constantly, repeatedly, over and over and over again, going places and making fools of themselves. They're embarrassing themselves. And, you know, I know that the old saying is true about God loving the crow as much as He loves the sound of...

I can't even remember the bird that's used in that analogy. The bird with the beautiful... The robin. Right, right, right. But that is in reference, I believe, to congregational worship because even somebody with no gifts at all, with a horrible voice, is still, I believe, commanded to sing in corporate worship.

Yeah.

So, you know, it goes with anything in life. If you see somebody spending or dedicating a lot of time doing something that they think that they're very good at, and people are basically lying to them and saying, Yeah, you're great.

It's really... It's sin because you're being deceitful.

Yeah.

And you're also setting that person up for a much more embarrassing failure in the future where people in larger numbers are going to be honest about it.

Yes, and we're just not...

Well, I would like you, since we are nearly out of time and we have to go to our midway break and conclude this interview, I'd like you to summarize in just a few minutes uninterrupted what you most want etched in the hearts and minds of our listeners today when it comes to music that glorifies God.

Instrumental solos and making sure that I don't overplay. The band's not too loud. Choosing songs that...

I mean, how did you choose me?

God made us that way. Sound of the organ or the guitar. The truth that we have and the fact that Jean lived a perfect life, died a substitutionary death for us, for our sins, to pay for our sins, and then rose from the dead.

And then he descended to his father's right hand, interceding for us now and is coming one day to return for his bride.

Well, I want to thank you so much for being such an excellent guest today, Bob. And I want to make sure that our listeners are reminded about how they can get in contact with your ministry. If anybody wants to find out more about Sovereign Grace Music, go to sovereigngracemusic .org, sovereigngracemusic .org.

And once again, don't forget that Sovereign Grace Music, along with the Photo Sisters, will be providing the worship music at the G3 Conference this September 30th through October 2nd in Atlanta, Georgia, where over 20 very profound and powerful and gifted speakers are on the roster to preach and proclaim the glorious gospel of Sovereign Grace.

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Thank you so much, Chris.

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