Apologetics for the Next Generation

That's all that we need only sufficient, but the only thing that couldn't be done for okay. So we don't need baptism then because it's the only thing. Is it is it the only thing or is it not. Do you need to be baptized or not?

Because if you need to be baptized, it's not sufficient. It is true that you are an extremely skilled debater and you're good.

Opening Banter and Show Introduction

This is apologetics live to answer your questions your host from the driving for eternity ministries.

We are barely live. Well, I'm almost alive but we are alive. So they welcome to apologetics live. I'm your host Andrew Rappaport. Don't bring in my co-host Mr. Drew of Anita. Howdy. Howdy. You're you're a dead man reader, right?

You're a dead guy reader. That's read the dead guys. Yes.

Yeah, it is. That is something I try to push everyone to do. Read the dead guys because they have so much to teach us. And we need to be taught.

You don't want them reading my books. I'm so sad, you know, I'd rather.

You want me dead I get it.

When you die, I will be promoting your books forever.

We're cracking up our guests backstage.

Corrections, Debate Reactions, and Textual Criticism

So.

I'm gonna give a little bit of a warning first off. I may take myself off camera go backstage at different times throughout the show tonight because well, I'm Struggling with a cold and I may need to just blow my nose and things like that at times.

And I'm not gonna have you guys have to watch or hear that so Don't be surprised. Yeah, I am a somewhat of a professional but.

You don't have a cough button. I.

Do I have a cough button, but I have to take the video out too. It's not just enough for the cough button.

Yeah. Yeah, we don't want to see you blow your nose. Yeah, you know, so.

But we do a couple things. You know when I'm wrong you guys know first first thing I want to do is correct when I'm wrong and I was wrong about Two weeks ago. We had there were during the show. We there was also a debate going on with James White and Layton flowers and I made a statement there.

I said that I made a prediction that Layton flowers would be very calm and it would give the Appearances if he was winning a debate because he was so calm and mellow. I.

Got that wrong. I'm sorry.

I got around to watching the debate and I Would admit I was surprised Layton was emotional. Even even on the verge of yelling.

It was.

Which is odd because the first time they debated he looked like he was just lost and he didn't know what to do. You know and so but now I didn't watch this one and I was going to watch it but the reason I didn't watch it and haven't watched it is because of watching how Layton acts on Twitter and Then all of his minions and I go I don't I don't want to watch it.

You know because at this point you're just showing me that dr. White is the bigger person and he most likely won the debate anyway.

Yeah, I think I think their first debate gave Layton a platform. Mm-hmm, right? There's second debate Was really about because I've heard I heard Layton is now leaving The seminary. I'm gonna be doing Soteriology one-on-one full-time.

So I Think that the second debate was just to rally the the truth. He I'll tell you this. He did a response video to the debate and I've always said false teaching pays because just in the super chats I calculated five six hundred dollars in super chats.

Just in one video. I was like I've had for a day's work, right?

Yeah for for two hours of rambling I mean Folks, you know those we have a super chat button that you have there. So look at this. I said I was gonna be said I was wrong about something and and Greg Moore says so you're becoming Presbyterian awesome.

No, I I said Greg that I was had to correct something that I was wrong about not right about. I mean Yeah, we should give a shout-out to Greg Moore. He his uh, he's got that podcast Tournament and it's it it has gotten a little bit out of hand.

I mean people down bribes. You know here here because because uh, you know apology a studios throughout bribes. I I actually said, okay. That's it. I wasn't sure who to vote for In that contest and I said, okay, that was it I was gonna vote against Apology, and then I find out that the other guys bribe people with.

Hey, we'll give you tickets to work our conference right now.

We were because because matter of theology was on their tree, right?

Greg is saying how do I do a super chat. Get on YouTube and you can do a super chat? Oh, yeah, he's on by the way super chats. We always respond to we always read those but matter of theology was in it, right?

Yeah, so so matter of theology we have yet to make it out of the first bracket into the second round. And so if I didn't know we could bribe people I would have done that. I would have been like I will buy 10 Puritan paperbacks and You know, I will give them away to random people who vote for us.

Well, okay. I Think that first off if matter of theology. Produced an episode this year. You might had a better shot. I'm just saying Okay. All right. So, um Greg Moore is saying I don't see it because you're on Facebook.

You have to go over to the YouTube.

There should there should be on YouTube. Yeah, super chat is a YouTube function. Yeah. Yeah.

So the other thing is last week we did a debate. And I want to address something that we we had in that debate. So I watched there they're literally a five hour response to us and to be fair wasn't completely five hours because.

Some of that was.

Um.

Some of that did involve You know, it was like I think three hours of response video to the debate and two hours. They got someone that came in that didn't know didn't understand, you know anything and and they were trying to Bring him over to their way of thinking.

So. It was. But you know, they did three hours response to a two-hour debate, let me see if I could. If I could provide a response in maybe five minutes maybe even less.

So.

They accused us of. I think they accused both Matt slick and I.

Of.

Kind of mocking them or.

You know.

Not not being So so I Forgot I'm trying to remember the wording that they use but basically accuses of mocking. I challenge you to go look at it and see if if we were mocking. There were times that I think what they didn't like was that at one point I I said quite clearly that the fact that they were Misrepresenting our position the debate was over.

It was interesting because they they basically in their response video said that we did not address any of.

The.

We didn't address any of the You know the historical issues that they were bringing up and In my closing comments, I mentioned the fact that they failed to provide that the debate was on whether their view of The Trinity being one person one God was biblical not historical Biblical so they had to show that it's in the.

Bible.

Right, right. Yeah. Yeah, so so, I don't know what was the What was the title or the which is the thesis right? What is the. The title of it. Is it? Let's see if I could. The Trinity is biblical.

Well, yeah, I think it was. It was their view of Monarchianism is monarchianism biblical.

Was the yeah, so so so once you have that right the title that's. Then when you come into the actual discussion, right and you're doing your opening statements. That's where you're giving your thesis statement which is I'm going to show that monarchianism is in fact biblical beyond the shadow of a doubt or.

You your position you're in Matt's position. We are going to demonstrate beyond a shadow of a doubt that monarchianism is not biblical. Right, and so now you have your position and it's centered on the Bible.

Not history. Now you can use history, but. Ultimately, that's that's an irrelevant point because the point is is it biblical correct, which is what Matt and I focused on. So if you were to bring up a historical argument from someone in history, I'm not obligated to respond to it.

I'm obligated to respond to what? Biblical arguments you make or don't make.

Good correct, correct. So that's why I didn't bring up any I didn't address any other historical stuff. It was really interesting because they made a comment at the end, which I corrected, you know, we I couldn't do it in the.

Because it came up in the question when people were making questions, you know the audience questions. He made the comment that there was a textual variant in Matthew 28 19 and 20 that says that it doesn't say Baptizing in the name of the Father the Son of the Holy Spirit.

He said baptizing in my name he claimed there was a textual variant and I you instead of Promoting the the ministry I use that time to since I had no other time to correct it I figured that had to be corrected that I just didn't want to leave that standing and in there in their after show they They basically were mocking Matt and I because in in the after show that Matt did from the debate I Mentioned that I look through all my Greek apparatus and there is no textual variant in there other than the word.

Amen and so. What ended up happening was they They mocked that by saying because because on Matt goes and gets his Greek apparatus and he's looking and he goes. No, you're right there there is no textual variant there and so basically their argument against that was Well, of course, there's no textual variant in those it can be shown because all the publishers don't want you to know that.

That right there told me they're in the conspiracy land like the flat earthers because I hate to disappoint them, but The Greek New Testament that we when we do Greek apparatuses are based on all the Greek manuscripts.

Yeah, and there's not publishers for those things. There are copies of them that we find there. They weren't published. Publishers existed because of before the printing press existed by the way.

Yeah.

So the thing with doing textual criticism and this is the whole point of textual criticism is to get back to the original. What is authorial intent? What did the author write not what did a scribe several hundred years after the author wrote.

Think the author should have written. So when you look at those apparatuses. They're full of textual variants because that's the whole point of doing textual criticism. So that you can see the variants you can you can know what manuscripts they show up in.

What manuscripts? They don't show up in. So, you know a good range of when did this enter into the test? And then how to deal with it from there. That's the whole point of doing it. So for them to leave out a textual variant doesn't make any sense.

Yeah, and so. It was something where when I when I saw it like. These are like basic things. They were very mocking by the way of Matt and I. When they when they did do that, so I thought that was quite interesting to say the least.

There but the reality is They still did not understand it and they don't think that they're wrong in doing this. But they were forcing upon Matt and I a view of three gods. They got into a thing saying because I made a comment when they asked me a question about it and I said.

I'm not Mormon and.

They were saying that well, we're not saying, you know, there's a difference with Mormonism, you know Mormonism believes in three gods. That was the point. I was making that Mormonism believes in three gods.

I'm not Mormon. So what they tried to do in that in their post debate was to say Oh, look at all this other stuff that Mormonism holds to that's not what I was bringing up I was bringing up the fact that they say that we believe in three gods now if you're doing a debate.

If I was to characterize them as denying the deity of Christ, they would be upset with that. They would call it out. They would say that that's not what their position is and The debate would be over at that point but they didn't like when I did that because They're debating their view is biblical and instead of arguing for their view being biblical They argued that the Trinity was something that was made up.

It wasn't in the Bible. In fact, they they they wanted me to give them a verse From the Bible where I find that and I gave them the issues the issue is and I said this the Trinity is a Solution to a problem the problem that we see is you see God the Father God the Son God the Spirit all called God all doing the things only God could do all having attributes only God can have all having titles only God can have and Yet they're separate and distinct now in their view.

They want to say there's one King Monarchian ism the one monarch and they want to say that that's one person one God and Then when I bring out the distinctions and that's when I debate folks. You don't see me do as as you see them try to just throw everything in the kitchen sink at me.

I Just deal with a couple of passages. I don't want to deal with everything. Just focus in on a few passages that make the point that's why I focused on the baptism because the baptism was one where you see all three members and Yet they're distinct from one another now once they said that that distinction was manifestations.

That's the same thing. They're they're recognizing the distinction and.

So.

That was what we were trying to point out is that there is one God yet. There is three persons that are distinct. And that was the whole point that I was trying to to make them they recognize that distinction it's like, okay well, there you go once you recognize that that's.

That was the the goal of it in and yet there's one God and I had to point out. We believe there's one God. I even take that into their after show to their post. I'm like you do believe that you do know Matt and I believe in one God.

I mean there the whole argument even in their in their after show was to say oh if you you know, if You know look at Deuteronomy 6 Andrews Jewish. He should know that's one. I said it was. You know, it was funny because he asked me a question when I mentioned I Mentioned about the holy holy holy and I said it was there for emphasis.

His first question to me was, you know, so I forgot and he admitted he was being cheeky. You know when he was like, well, you know as God, you know. Something they repeated three times. At that point like, uh, did you pay attention to what I said because I actually said During the debate.

I said it was you know there for emphasis so I almost and I I'm gonna give him a break on that because I think that We always have to realize in a debate. You're not saying everything you'd like to say.

You know, it's in the heat of the moment you're thinking you're trying, you know, it's you're jotting down notes. I mean Matt and I are both writing, you know constantly during the debate while they're talking.

So we're listening and writing to Do yeah, if you've never done a formal debate. It's it's not as easy as he as people think as they sit back and just watch.

Yeah.

If you if you want an exercise Listen to a debate and try to take notes from a debate from what everyone's saying. You won't be able to do it. Well, you will but I mean it's it's hard.

I mean you have to practice at it because the thing is you have to you have to listen and Take notes because you got to remember anything that you're saying. You say it's gonna come back in cross-examination or in questions.

So yeah, so what. So what I mean is you're not gonna be able to get everything right? So like in a debate You're you're listening you're taking notes as fast as you can as clear as you can as best as you can.

But and you're listening to what they're saying, but sometimes there's something that sticks out that you have to address. Because that one thing is the thing that characterizes everything else that they're saying.

So then you have to hit that but you only have so much time in order to do that. So like you're saying you can't hit everything or say everything that you would like to. So you almost have to pick and choose your timing and what you're saying and then how to condense that.

So it's really a Good exercise in getting your brain going and how to think on your feet.

Amy's Question on Homosexuality, Sin, and Salvation

Yeah, now I know we have our guests backstage before I bring them in. Amy is backstage and She was not able to come in last week because she doesn't have good reception. So she calls from her car. And so I want to bring her in first if we can.

So that before she has to drop off. Although she's not on camera. So I hope that she's still there. So let's bring her in.

She was.

Amy are you there? She was previously, but Amy are you there?

Yes, I have not been raptured today.

Well, that's good that that means that you're you're getting more of your theology from me rather than that slick guy that you called it.

I'm enjoying both the same amount.

Oh.

No, and I do definitely have competitions and it's usually about who can pay for dinner. You know, I mean next time you call into his program. Just ask him. Ask him how many times he's bought me dinner.

How many times I've bought him dinner? He'll love the question. Trust. Yeah, but his is.

I'm into April 2022. So so far. I've got Matt slick one and you just like numerous.

Yeah.

Only one. Yeah, it's still only one in me. Okay, we don't know the count. So for folks who don't know so Amy contacted us. She emailed the ministry. And I know that she's been binging old episodes of the rap report because she's been commenting on them and apologetics live and I forget how you you found out you found us I think through apologetics live and from there found Matt slick and started Following him as well.

And I know you've called his program a couple times. How did you find us again? I.

Don't I I really don't even remember how the whole thing started. It's just one of those. Because I had been listening to true crime that that's why I've been binging on like for like six weeks before I found you guys.

I.

Not tell you how I came across it and I was like It's been a whole new world and just like I don't want to waste too much of your time but my dad was like the cornerstone of Faith in our family, you know, he was the one that everybody went to and he passed away in 2018 and like finding you and Matt.

Has this been? Amazing. I've had so many questions Answered that I haven't felt I could like ask. Anybody and you know questions, I didn't even necessarily know I had but just listening to you guys has been truly a blessing.

So, do you have any questions for us tonight.

Okay. Well, is it topical?

Well, you can ask anything if it's really hard. We'll bring in our guest and make him answer them.

Honestly, what's been on my heart and mind lately is I'm in a family full of girls. I do have a brother but I have three sisters and then I've got 13 nieces and one nephew and One of my nieces just started her freshman year college and right before college she came out as a Practicing homosexuality and you know, I was I was raised in a Christian home and was taught that that was a sin.

I don't think we ever talked about it a whole lot like around her growing up. So, I don't I don't know but So this is a new territory for me. I love her to death, but I'm not sure how to like approach The topic of Sin and salvation and all of that with her right now.

Well, you could bring up the issue of sin and salvation and never bring up homosexuality. In fact what I would what I would say to do is to not bring it up because she will. Like that's so when I went when I go to the gay pride parades not that I I've been to a few of them.

I don't go for them. You know, I just the couple times I've been to them is because we already planned an outreach and It happened to be at the same time. So I've just I have not purposely gone to to them to do evangelism, but When I'm at those I never bring up the issue of homosexuality.

Because I don't have to I could bring up lying.

Stealing.

Coveting all of those things. But they will focus on homosexuality and I'll the the reason I do that is because I will ask them Why are you bringing that up? Because they know it's a sin against God. That's why they're bringing it up.

And so that's why I don't I let them bring it up so that I could show that their own conscience. Reveals that and one of the other things I'll ask people you are may already know the answer to this with with it.

You know your knees. I'll ask them what church they grew up in. Because 10 plus years ago 10 you know 10 15 years ago any hardcore atheist a Guy that was just coming out. Yeah, there is no God. I would say what church did you grow up in and Thousands of times I asked that only once did someone not grow up in church.

And and what it was was that the thing to show you're rebellious against Christianity and really your rebellious against your parents your church your upbringing. Was to go atheist now in the last 10 plus years, it's to go transgender or homosexual and then transgender and so.

Really what they're doing is they're trying to make this statement against the way they were they were raised within Christianity and That's why you see so many people that are in this very very active in that grew up in a church.

It's because they they grew up in a church where they weren't saved and they were trying to rebel against their upbringing and They they're showing their hatred for Christ by doing this and so it's it's actually very easy to bring it up if you if you Don't bring up the homosexuality with her right away because she'll bring it up but bring up sin lying stealing coveting.

You know, well looking with lust we'll we'll come up with with that. You know, so it'll be a thing that comes out that way does that help.

Yeah.

And if you want to break the tension you can always just impersonate Ray Comfort and just.

You gotta get the accent, right?

Yeah, I'll have to practice a little bit yeah.

See that he you just have to understand son drew. Ray gets away with things. I I told ray. Ray and I were out evangelizing once and we're at hunting a beach. I He gets done. Scotty was up then ray and then it was me.

And I'm sitting there like afterwards we go. We're driving back to Ray's house and I said Ray you you get away with things. I could never do one this lady before I.

Got up.

There was this woman that was not properly dressed. It's like you're at a beach. I get it, right but He gets up on the box because like Ray was sharing the gospel with someone and she claimed she was a Christian and didn't like The way Ray was evangelizing and so she got on the box because she wants to talk to Ray and Ray puts his hand out.

In front of her turns his head and it's like ma 'am. I can't look at you. You got to dress yourself first. Like if I said that I would be smacked. I'm like, how do you get away with it? He goes cuz I'm short and I talk properly.

So he knows the accent helps the height he's not that intimidating.

It works for him. I can't do that. I thought it was the button-up shirts and the khaki shorts with the pulled up socks. That whole look.

Well, um.

Amy would in I don't know if you'd feel comfortable, but if you want to give us her name we could pray for her. We have we have an audience. For folks who are in the chat that regularly. I mean, we have some real prayer warriors that people Usually raise prayer requests in the chat.

So and if you don't give her name, we know your name and she's your niece so we could do it that way.

Well, I'm nervous because there's only like ten people in the whole state. And if I give you even just her. Know her name is Gabby.

Okay, so folks be praying for for Gabby specifically be praying for Amy to have opportunities to share the gospel with Gabby.

So yeah, and if I can say Amy a Lot of times people avoid these situations because they know it's going to lead to an emotional response and it could lead to an argument and it could lead to Well, you just don't love me and you know a crazy argument like that.

And so people avoid it because they don't want to deal with that kind of confrontation. And so what you have to do is you have to be faithful to God's Word, right? So the best way that you can show that you actually love Gabby is to give her the gospel and to talk with her about these things because.

Because what a lot of people do is they don't talk whether they have a family member or anything. They won't address it. They won't talk to anyone. Well, nothing shows that I hate that person more and I desire them to go to hell than to keep silent about their sin.

Yeah, so so it's just one of those things you have to be faithful to what God's Word says. And trust the Holy Spirit to do the work and I'll also say that.

Because it can get emotional know that going into the conversation. So.

Um.

When you start that conversation know that She may want to avoid it may want to act act out or really lash out emotionally. When she does that just remind her how much you love her.

Um.

You know.

The fact that she's behaving this way Has nothing to do with how you love her and you could you could ask her about her upbringing because It usually is a direct tie to something. She with most of the people it's.

They didn't like what they considered legalism In their upbringing. They didn't like all the rules.

And.

This is their their way of rebelling and lashing out. And so you could ask her, you know, could that be? Ask it as a question, but you you don't want to get emotional with her either, right? Just tell her how much you love her.

Right, and I think that that is kind of a fear maybe I hadn't recognized until just now is that I will also get emotional in the sense that like Why did I wait for her to like come out to make Sharing the gospel with her an issue like just so much of them a long time ago, but that's kind of why I Preface all this by saying like my dad was that guy.

I didn't. You know when he lost and it kind of fell Fell part in a way and I uh never took on that responsibility for myself and I should have.

Well, this is the problem with our culture. It's very hard to keep.

The the kids I mean look.

Uh.

If the kids are on tiktok or anyone that's on tiktok, but you know I mean tiktok is purposely designed by the chinese government. To destroy america and and they're they're you know. In china, they're open about it.

You know, they're openly saying that it is a tool they use You know to corrupt the generation. So americans won't have. People that are inventing things and and stuff like that. So, uh that we won't have a good.

You know, uh.

Army and and things so. They know what they're doing. They're they're looking to. Uh destroy our culture. And so it's it's working.

Yeah.

But uh. So it's it's hard and I hope you see that, you know, if you if you see in the chat I know you were driving but if you see in the chat people are saying they're praying for you praying for gaby, so I hope you see that.

Do you have any other?

Go ahead.

Oh insane. I really appreciate it. I'm um, i'm actually at the truck stop right now. I don't want to even get on the highway till your show's done. So I'm gonna hang out hang out for a little bit.

All right, well I will i'm gonna put you backstage if you have questions that you want to come in. There is a private chat that you can just let us know and we'll bring it back in. Sound good.

Sounds great. All right.

Critique of Remnant Radio and Charismatic Dialogue

So really, uh quickly before we bring the happy calvinist himself on.

Um.

I want to I I I do want to play one clip here and and Drew you have to let me know if I I think I found a way to get rid of the echo we used to have when I play clips. But I I just want to play this. This is from the remnant radio.

Um, this is on them responding to the calvinist uh calvinist documentary. Because people say that it's me dodging. I just want to put this on the record. Let's play this so we have this Recorded. This is what they said.

You know, we want to. Michael you said this already and i'm gonna just repeat this we want to appeal to Um less the maker of the film and other people that were in it as brothers. I think what has grieved me about the film uh is.

How.

How quickly the accusations of False teacher false prophet and charlatan get thrown out by people in that video and I actually think that is divisive. Um. They don't mention cardinal doctrines that that any of us who are continuationists have denied.

What they mostly do is is talk about prophecies that aren't fulfilled and therefore people are false prophets. And so again, I I think. My hope is that we can have a civil conversation eventually with some of these people.

I think the hardest part for me and a lot of this is we've tried to have conversations with guys like justin peters. Uh, we've tried to to Dialogue on some level and we've had a few that that are willing to show up on the scene like coasty hinn And tom schreiner, but the others that they won't come on the show and part of that reason is Um is they actually think that we're dangerous and I I think unfortunately we're going to say the same.

We actually think cessationism is dangerous and we have a number of reasons for why that's the case. But we'll that will probably be at the conclusion of whatever this series comes to.

So.

Just for the record. I want to you know, make sure this is is clear here. They said that they're. They're frustrated because they're trying to get people on to have a discussion. So for the people who say i'm dodging the remnant radio i'm right here.

You want to have the discussion? Let's have it. You want to have a debate? Let's Have it. I'm not dodging. I'm not afraid of the discussion. But not only not only the head one debate. I said here I am.

He said sure. We're trying to get that together for october. I'm, not afraid. I'm, not dodging. I'm right here. Waiting. We've tried, you know, we've had several people that said oh, I know these guys i'll get you in touch with them.

I have not heard boo. No one has contacted me from there. I've tried to contact them through their youtube the email they have there. But for for the constant thing of saying, well, we're trying we're trying but no one's willing to um.

You know, they admit that they call us dangerous. And then say that they're really upset that people call them dangerous. Okay, yeah, no, but let's be really clear. I'm, not afraid to have the discussion.