September 8, 2016 Show with Jeff Pollard on “God’s Gospel of Grace: The Doctrine of Salvation from the Pages of the ‘Free Grace Broadcaster'” PLUS Russel T. Fuller on “The Importance of Context: Knowing the Old Testament to Fully Understand the New”

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day of September 2016.

I am so delighted that for the first hour today I have a guest on the program that I

have wanted to have as a guest for quite a number of years even before we relaunched the

all -new Iron Sharpens Iron.

Jeff Pollard has been somebody that I've wanted to get on the program.

He is pastor of Mount Zion Bible Church in Pensacola, Florida and director of Chapel

Library which is one of the most phenomenal publishing ministries in existence not

only because of the precious truths that they regularly bring back into print

and sometimes publish authors for the first time but because of the

inexpensive rates that these these wonderful booklets

and tracts and books are being sold for because the

primary reason that Chapel Library exists is to spread the doctrines of sovereign grace

and to see the lost saved and to see those in theological error come to truth.

But it's my honor and privilege to.

Welcome you to Iron Sharpens Iron, Jeff Pollard.

Yeah, the

pleasure is all mine brother and it was.

Such a joy to meet you in Pensacola, Florida.

I guess it's been over a year now.

I can't remember exactly what date it was but it was at that Bible conference where you were one of a number

of speakers at the Jeremiah Cry Bible Conference.

That's correct, yeah.

Do you remember exactly.

When that was?

I believe.

Okay, yeah, well it was such a joy to finally meet you in person having.

Already spoken with you in the past and of course I have been

loving and appreciating and benefiting from Chapel Library going back to

the early days of my salvation in the 1980s when Leroy Shelton was the pastor

of Mount Zion Bible Church and also running the Chapel Library and he was obviously a dear man of

God.

And how did Mount Zion and also Chapel Library,

after Brother Leroy went home to glory, how did these ministries wind

up under your leadership?

Quite a remarkable story.

A wonderful brother, a

man very powerfully influenced by George Mueller.

He was likewise a great man of prayer and he founded the work

here in 1978.

The way he and I met

was late 90s and a friend of mine wanted

that translated into Spanish and someone told him to look up

in Pensacola, Florida at Chapel Library and he would probably be glad to have it

translated.

He translated the tract into Spanish.

He liked the English so much

and

Christian modesty in

the public undressing of America.

And he printed that.

I think the first one was about 5 ,000 and that was 1 ,000, I

believe, and it's been in print since then.

Christian modesty.

And we became good prints on the phone.

I had no idea I would ever end up here.

In 2002, joining

him in the work here.

Well, obviously the Lord answered those prayers and Mount Zion Bible Church

is now under your leadership.

Obviously, you are under the leadership of Christ, but in an earthly sense, it's under your

leadership.

Tell us something about Mount Zion Bible Church.

What makes it unique?

I know that it is a sovereign grace -believing church, but what else can you tell us about it?

Well, Mount Zion Bible Church in my life, there

are two elders here.

My fellow Esther Clarence Simmons, my

fellow elder, I

came here in 2008 of that year

and

there's maybe

three or

four or

ten in some of our

families.

Any given Sunday,

we may be

around between 90 and 110, 120 folks.

Yeah, and in fact, I have spoken with your fellow elder Clarence and he was the

one, I believe, that made the arrangements for me and my former pastor Mike Adosh

to stay in Leroy Shelton's home, the late Leroy Shelton's home, when we were at that Bible

conference.

And he's got a marvelous testimony.

You want a good testimony, sometime just call up Brother Clarence and have him on your show.

Oh yeah, definitely.

The way he ended up in the work of

the Lord

and none of us

were

natives of 1889.

We have praise

and knowledge of the Lord for the years

that we've been here.

Now, did Leroy Shelton found both Mount Zion and Chapel Library?

Question.

He founded Mount Zion Bible Church.

He came here and founded it in 1978.

In fact, he was actually born in New

Orleans

and he earnestly

wrote great literature

before it

became vogue, you know, in America.

He really wanted to see the gospel of

God's grace go to the ends of the earth.

He was a man with a tremendous heart for evangelism and in his

artist giveaway, give away the literature.

And it was in 70

and

prison

ministry

and all of

that when

we're

not native to Mount Zion Bible Church.

The Free Grace Broadcaster in 88 was inherited from

him and he

told him that he appreciated the publishing

that he was

doing.

They began to have

fun and

they contacted Pastor Shelton as well and said, we

love what you're

doing.

And 1983 and the

library,

it was a lending library that around somewhere in

the 80s, somewhere in that area.

Well, I had no idea that when I, as a brand new Christian came

to embrace the doctrines of grace through a chapel library booklet, I had no

idea that the ministry had not been already in,

you know, had it not had already been flourishing for many, many years before that.

It was really, I guess, since I was saved in the 1980s, that ministry really had just really

blossomed not.

Long before I became a Christian.

I don't remember how long Lawrence

and Amy had chapel library and that's probably a piece of our history.

I need to get a little sharper

on, but as it, the chapel that most people know now, yeah, did

not get it.

Yeah.

Cause I can still remember when I became a.

Christian in the mid 1980s, I was raised Roman Catholic.

And when I had graduated grammar school, after my

confirmation, I really started to very seriously doubt

the credibility of the Catholic church just by having conversations

with the priest and there seeming to be so many differences of opinion about

major things in the Catholic church.

And I, I just became disillusioned with it.

And as a teenager immediately fell into a drug and alcohol abuse

and eventually by God's grace was

rescued from that and rescued from sin and death by the Lord Jesus Christ.

And I was going to a reformed Baptist church and I didn't even know what that was

at the time.

And I can remember when my pastor in a Bible study had brought up

predestination and I remember thinking to myself, what on earth is he

talking about?

Which to me, it sounded like some kind of a Hindu thing or something.

I didn't know what on earth.

And I had to tell him afterwards, what are you talking about?

This sounds crazy.

And I remember I met with my elders before I was baptized and I said, look, I love you guys.

I believe this is the church where the Lord wants me to be.

I trust you as shepherds.

I love the people here, but I'll tell you something.

I don't know if I'm ever going to believe in this predestination stuff.

And they said that they were going to be patient with me.

And they said that as long as I submitted to the, the teachings of the elders and didn't

seek to undermine it, that they would baptize me anyway and welcome me into

fellowship there.

And very soon after that, when I was hemming and hawing about the Calvinism issue,

my friend, Nigel Stone, who's now with the Lord, he's from England.

He gave me the booklet by Chapel Library, George Whitfield's letter to John Wesley on election.

And very quickly the Lord opened my eyes to those truths of sovereign grace.

And at first I acquiesced.

I waved the white flag and I said, this is true, but I hate it.

But then very soon after that, I fell in love with these doctrines and my salvation

became all the more personal.

And Christ's death for me was not a Jesus

hanging on a cross, dying for a nameless, faceless sea of humanity

that he was hoping he was going to redeem.

He was saying to me, Chris Arnzen, I am dying for you and I'm paying the

price 100 for your salvation.

And that just totally, radically revolutionized my faith.

Amen.

You know, we still publish that.

Yes, and I have given it out actually.

And you're in fact, with no disrespect to Brother Leroy in heaven, I'm sure

he doesn't care since he is in heaven, but you have taken Chapel Library to a whole

nother level with the quality of the appearance of the booklets and the tracks,.

Including the George Whitfield booklet.

Amen.

Well, I can tell you, Chris, with all my heart, there is

one

that

everybody knows.

And it is a wonderful,

my Franks

and I, 50 titles of tracklets, large booklets, and

paperbacks were

external

appearance.

And so our desire was, we're not trying to compete with what the world is doing, but we did

want to make a more attractive, you know, spoke more

plainly

to one

that

looks, transform quite a number of our titles.

And it's our hope and our prayer to have every new covers.

And the last thing about it is doing it the way we do

it, we give them away.

So at any time during our printing, if we decide we want to, you know, upgrade, you know, we can

do that.

So we really, we've got

people that give us

the themes that we deal with, you

know, on

one booklet and get letters about how it's not honoring the Lord and move on

to the next.

Sometimes I've seen other publishers, even very good ones,.

Uh, you've, you look at the cover they chose and you'll see a booklet about hell with a

picture of a beautiful flower on the cover.

I'm like, what is this?

It doesn't make any sense.

But anyway,.

I'm sorry I interrupted you.

Oh, no, I probably need to be interrupted.

There are another,

we're

even better

are on it.

You know, are we dishonoring the Lord by that people.

Write and tell us, you know, well,.

I'm very thankful for it.

Yeah.

Well, obviously, uh, in an earthly sense, I owe my belief in the doctrines of

sovereign grace to chapel libraries.

So I thank God for everything that you folks do.

And just in case I forget to announce the website before we run out of time, it's

chapellibrary .org for those of you listening chapellibrary .org.

And they have absolutely mind blowing, uh, prices.

And I mean by that low prices, uh, for their booklets, tracks, books,

and you know, you could get, you know, hundreds of tracks or booklets for an amazingly low price.

And, uh, and I have done that myself just as an individual.

So all you churches out there listening, or you pastors, I should say, or elders or deacons

who make the decisions on what tracks and booklets that you use for your narthex or wherever you put your,

your tracks and your free information.

Uh, chapel library is the key place to go for that.

Especially if you believe in the doctrines of sovereign grace, although I can tell you, I have found your tracks

in non Calvinist churches, obviously not on those specific doctrines, but I've found other issues,

uh, addressed in tracks.

And the track racks of some Arminian churches.

I will tell you about

the clean and heard a very same thing you were talking about.

Pastors, pastors coming to see the doctrines of grace when they

read them, they titles in all of us.

And, uh, and, um, so, uh,

we've, we've had wonderful, wonderful.

Can I have a

moment to

talk?

Oh yeah,

definitely.

We print everything that we print.

Everything is free, but what, what we have is a monthly

and it's absolutely that they will

cover our print

costs.

Um, and, uh, and, uh, if

you're happy, uh, you know, to give

them as much as they want,

send them box.

They have large needs and,

uh, if it's,

we will have.

Yes.

In fact, I remember you

supplying me with.

Quite a number of tracks and booklets.

I believe, uh, when I was at a, uh, United Reform Church Bible conference, manning a book

table, you supplied hundreds of the canons of Dort for free.

Yeah, I remember that.

And some other book booklets like the George Whitfield booklet that led me to the Lord will let

me to the doctrines of sovereign grace, I should say.

And, uh, it's just amazing the stuff that you have and the things that, that, uh, you make available,

uh, for free.

Uh, and even if one has to pay, it's just ridiculously low, amazingly low.

And, um, well, uh, I'm looking forward to the rest of our conversation.

We have to go to a break right now, but, uh, we want to talk about a book that you

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Welcome back.

This is Chris Arns.

And if you just tuned us in, our guest for the first hour today, is Jeff Pollard, pastor of

Mount Zion Bible Church in Pensacola, Florida and also director of Chapel Library.

We are speaking on God's Gospel of Grace, the Doctrine of Salvation from the pages of the Free

Grace Broadcaster.

That's for the first hour.

Coming up in our second hour, we'll be joined by Dr. Russell T. Fuller, professor of Old Testament

Interpretation at the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, Kentucky.

He's also co -author of An Invitation to Biblical Hebrew, and he's the plenary speaker at

the Christ Our Redeemer Conference at Pittsburgh Baptist Church in Indiana.

And we'll be discussing the importance of context, knowing the Old Testament to fully understand the

New.

So we hope you stay tuned for the second hour as well.

Our email address here, if you'd like to join us on the air with a question for Jeff Pollard

is chrisarnsen at gmail .com.

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Please give us your first name, city and state and country of residence if you live outside of the USA.

The gospel, well, God's Gospel of Grace, you have a really phenomenal

lineup of authors from the past who have

contributed to this.

Well, you have compiled their writings for each of the chapters contained in

here.

And from what I saw, I think the only 20th century author was A. W.

Pink, and everyone else was from years or centuries previous

to the 20th century.

And it's quite an impressive group of folks.

Actually, I'm sorry, J .I. Packer is in here too.

I did not see J .I. Packer here before.

But you have Thomas Boston and J .C. Ryle and Thomas Manton and Charles Spurgeon

and Jonathan Edwards and Octavius Winslow and John Owen and Jonathan

Edwards and Charles Hodge and James Buchanan, Horatius Bonar,

and on and on I could go.

You have some mighty men of God who you have selected writings

from for this compilation, God's Gospel of Grace, the Doctrines of

Salvation from the pages of the Free Grace Broadcaster.

And as we mentioned earlier, the Free Grace Broadcaster is a periodical that you

publish.

It's free of charge that you mail out to people on your mailing list that has articles of

men of God from the past.

And present who have something that we need to hear for any

age, correct?

That work, after the Lord took him home in January

of 20, the Free Grace

Broadcaster, and

we will

generally speak,

publish.

But it helps.

That's also a great rule of thumb when naming your children after someone famous.

Because you never know what they're going to do when they're alive still.

That's right.

We've had men sometimes on things that has, you know,

caused us while we still do

on the Lord's Day.

Well, we'd all be shocked if Sam Waldron became an

Arminian.

Yes, that would be

problematic.

The Free Grace Broadcaster then is a

quarterly digest.

It's a mini,

and that's what we

have at

least, is

on God's decree.

We

have

a

family

-oriented, and what I mean by family is a

biblically

manhood marriage.

It's

absolutely free, and if you're listeners that want to sign up to it, go to

www .freegrace .org.

And we never

share our mailing list, and

we're not going to put

you on someone else's mailing list that'll ask you for money.

It really is, honestly, most

of them have now

been ditched.

And I guess we should make a very serious clarification here

that, unfortunately, there is a group of

professing Christians who have hijacked the phrase free grace and mean something

entirely different than we who are believers in historic Calvinism mean by that.

There are those who believe in a

repentanceless Christianity that you can

be assured that you will go to heaven just because you have

recited a prayer or welcomed Jesus in your heart, a phrase which you never find in the

Bible.

But then, it doesn't matter what horrific and satanic

lifestyle you may live after that, you will be assured of heaven.

And this is obviously.

Not what you are standing for with free grace.

Not in the

slightest.

I, in London Baptist Confession, and

it's

very similar to a message about

man

and

his sinfulness,

salvation of the person and work of the God -man, Jesus Christ, and that it is a call

to repentance and faith.

And so, we stand in a

very belief to be...

Well, you have this book, God's Gospel of Grace, in

five sections, basically, five parts to the book, and obviously, Calvinists have some kind of a

thing for the number five.

And this is broken up into, as I said, these five different

parts, which are, the first one is the gospel, and then you have

substitution, a very controversial term today, because there are a lot of non -Calvinists who

use that term, and I think that they are not logically consistent when they do.

Justification is the third, imputed righteousness is the fourth, and repentance is the fifth.

If you could summarize the gospel, because that may sound like a simplistic thing to

ask one to do, but there are many different understandings of what that is

today, and therefore you have a lot of false Christianity.

And you also, just to let you know, there are people that listen to Iron Sharpens Iron on occasion that are not Christians.

We even have Muslims sometimes listening.

So, if you could summarize the gospel.

Book, and the way that it

is what it is, and then I will be glad to do

that.

Gospel of

Grace,

gospel, God's good...

That's why the very first one

is, and you see that

we have put in Thomas Boston, Jedi Packer, Thomas Manton,

Jonathan

Edwards in

just a

moment.

In times past,

I in the place of someone else,

but that's why we gave a whole broadcast, C .S.

Winslow, John Owen, and Edwards.

In fact, believe it or not, even though many non -Reformed, or non -Calvinist,

or non -Doctrines of Grace Christians, free will believing Christians,

even though many today will use that term, substitutionary atonement,

I actually saw and heard a professor at

a Nazarene seminary, or university, in a documentary on the

Doctrines of Grace, who basically was logically consistent with

the Wesleyan Arminianism that he was teaching, and he was scolding Arminians for using

the term substitution, and he said, you cannot believe Christ was a substitute for all, because

that would imply all would be in heaven, and since they do not believe in particular redemption, or

definite atonement, or limited atonement, he recognized the dilemma in using that term substitution.

CW.

It's exactly right.

It's someone's place

for people's sins.

Their sins are paid for.

And therefore, the Arminians who really understand, as the men you're obviously talking about did,

as they understand the idea

of

substitution, and

those for whom he

is, everybody

must be saved, that Jesus Christ was a substitute

for all.

He died for the people of God, his Father gave him before the foundation of the world, he came into the world

and was.

A substitute for all.

Amen.

...much what lies

at the very wind to

Pensacola and

to a pastor here at

Mount Zion,

and formed

or

Calvinistic,

exactly what you have

there, the

meaning

of justice

and peace,

righteousness, that someone could sit down and in reading

48 pages would come to

millions,

and that's the

first man that I heard, and he did some

messages of modern

repentance.

And that's what had been pounded into my brain, and when the Lord

actually converted me, I found it in my

heart as I was reading

his ministry.

Having said all that,

good news.

To understand that good news, the first thing we need is to

realize in his

image,

to do

our

own

thing,

not

what

God has

done,

a

change

of

mind,

repentance.

Amen.

And I know that there is going to be one thing that you, Jeff Pollard, are going to

learn by conducting this interview today, is that the next time you're on, you have to be on for two hours.

Because we have people waiting to have their questions answered, and we've got eight minutes left.

So let me go to at least our first listener and

see how many others we can fit in.

We have, let's see here, we,

oh I just lost it, I had it right in front of me, and we, oh.

Seth from Randleman, North Carolina.

Seth from Randleman, North Carolina asks, which American pastor

or author has contributed the most in the area of Reformed Theology,.

Obviously in your opinion?

I will give a

second.

Would you think Jonathan Edwards would be the one that's most universally known, probably?

Well, that's exactly who

I, of his

work.

But Jonathan Edwards, well -known, God mightily used

him in

the company.

He's the one most well -known.

Well, guess what,

Seth, you

are getting absolutely.

Free of charge as a gift from Chapel Library to you, God's

Gospel of Grace, the Doctrine of Salvation from the pages of the Free Grace Broadcaster.

And the thing that's going to blow your mind when you get it in the mail, Seth, is that it looks

very different from most of the things that you see from Chapel Library, which are paper.

This is a beautiful, very high -quality hardback.

I mean, this is really, you've used like the finest of binding for this book.

This.

Is really remarkable here.

We had countries in mind,

missionaries in

here, Gospel of Jesus.

Amen.

And we want to thank again Chapel Library for supplying this for you, Seth, and

also Cumberland Valley Bible Book Service, who mails out all of our free books to

the winners on this program, the winners in our audience who submit questions.

And their website is cvbbs .com, cv as in victory, bbs

.com.

We have one more.

We actually have several more, but I think only one more we can possibly get to before the show is over today.

We have CJ from Lindenhurst, Long Island, New York, and he

says that Charles Haddon Spurgeon had referred to the Doctrines of Grace or

Calvinism as the Gospel.

Do you think that he really meant that you had to believe in the Doctrines of Reformed

Theology in order to inherit the Kingdom of Heaven?

Well, you might not want to rush that because that would involve him leaving this planet.

And Charles Spurgeon, how he meant

that, but I do believe.

He did have Moody preach in the Metropolitan Tabernacle, and Moody was not a Calvinist, so

I'm assuming he couldn't have made that strict assumption in his mind, to the strictest.

Well, I think that he sees, you can write

me a letter and correct me, but I believe, I

think what he meant by that, you look

what you have,

grace in

Christ Jesus,

in election, in

Heaven, and that because Christ has done

absolutely everything infinitely necessary,

find in the Gospels

when I read it.

Yeah, and the

late John Gerstner, I can remember.

Being in the audience at 10th Presbyterian Church when he was at a conference speaking, he

basically set forth the notion that if you really believed in

the theology of Arminianism to its logical conclusion, he thought that

it is unlikely that you are a Christian, but he was not saying that all Arminians are not saved, but

he was saying that if you truly in your heart of hearts believe in these teachings to their logical

conclusion, which he would say most Arminians don't, they're not consistent.

We do have a listener in Kenroth, Scotland, very quickly we'll have to include him in

here, Murray, who says, sadly in this day and age, it seems that most people

who would need or would read a book like this are already saved,

in a fair proportion of those already Calvinists.

The modern day unbeliever probably wouldn't want to sit down and read a whole book.

While this would anyway be a great book to encourage believers, would you consider putting out

a tract booklet of an abridgment of what you have in the book to make

it more accessible to unbelievers?

Well, actually, they already do, that's the.

Free Grace Broadcaster.

Right, that's true, Chris, and you know that's a really good,

exactly right.

When we put this together, when we put God's gospel of grace together,

repeat myself, but really what we

had in mind, pastors preach to God's

people to be well -stocked.

We want their minds and hearts that they will

preach that gospel, you know, in the streets,

an opportunity to magnify the Lord Jesus.

We did not think

of

religion

by rile, the doctrines of grace.

So we do have that on the

website, and look through it, and he should be able to find,

he will keep.

I wrote one called I

Outlined a while ago, and they're readable, and

we've got dozens of street preachers all around this country that take them and use them.

They preach on the street and they pass them out.

So we have them, and mature, or even growing readers,.

Which might love God's gospel.

And we're out of time, Jeff, and the website again is chapellibrary .org.

Thank you Murray and Kinross Scotland.

Continue spreading the word to all of your neighbors there in Scotland about Iron Sharpens Iron

Radio, and all of you who are waiting for a question to be answered by

our guest Jeff Pollard are going to receive a free copy of this beautiful book.

Thank you Jeff, and we look forward to having you back on the program soon,.

And hopefully for two hours next time.

Thank you very much Chris, it's a delight to be with you.

God bless.

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Well, thanks, Chris.

I'm glad to be back with.

You today.

And just so we can summarize the Christ Our Redeemer Conference at

Pittsburgh Baptist Church where you will be the plenary speaker, for those of our listeners who missed

your last interview, or who missed Pastor Josh Fryman's interview,

or who missed Pastor Isaac Evans' interview.

They were both interviewed to promote this conference as well, but not everybody hears every single program.

So if you could summarize the Christ Our Redeemer Conference.

Right.

This conference is going to be about how Christ is the unifying figure of

Scripture, and He's what brings the Old Testament and New Testament together in unity.

And so we're going to really stress how Christ unifies the entire Bible, and especially

how, what I'm going to stress is where we see Christ in the Old Testament.

We obviously can see Him in the New Testament, but He's also throughout the Old Testament.

And so I'm going to spend most of my lectures talking about Christ.

Yes, and we did discuss that the last time that you were on,.

And we're going to be speaking on something that really dovetails with that.

The theme that we are addressing today is the importance of context, knowing the Old Testament to

fully understand the New.

And isn't it true that one can really not appreciate the meaning

of many things that are in the New Testament without having some

basic understanding of the Old Testament, about all that took place

in heaven and on earth that is recorded in the Scriptures before the dawn.

Of the New Covenant?

That's correct.

Knowledge of the Old Testament.

So if we don't know our Old Testament when we're reading

through a book, or maybe even in the New Testament situation, 70 through the book, and

now you're reading things, and the New Testament assumes you know the Old Testament, and so

you're going to miss many things about understanding the New Testament if we don't see the Old Testament.

So it's very important that we understand that the Old Testament and the New Testament form

a unity.

And you know, this is one of the major distinctions between Christianity and, let's say, Islam.

Islam does not see unity between its Scriptures and the New Testament or the Old

Testament.

What they teach is that Christians have corrupted the New Testament, and the Jews have corrupted the Old Testament.

But as Christians, we say, oh no.

Listen, all you have to do is look at the Old Testament, and it connects with the New Testament.

There's no corruption here.

There's a unity between the Old and New Testaments.

But again,.

Islam...

And let me repeat our email address.

If you'd like to join us, it's chrisarnsen at gmail .com.

Chrisarnsen at gmail .com.

We do have a listener, Arnie, in Perry County, Pennsylvania, who

asks, is it absolutely required of a human being

to understand anything about the Old Testament before they

repent and have faith upon Christ when you are evangelizing them?

They have to understand they're sinners, and obviously the Old Testament teaches that.

But really, a person like...

When I came to Christ, I'll be honest with you, I had zero knowledge of the Old Testament when I

came to Christ.

When I heard the Gospel

preached, I believed.

But the Holy Spirit just used the preaching of the Gospel to save me.

I think good preaching of the Gospel, though, is going to have Old Testament in it as well.

But to answer his question very directly, no, that's not absolutely necessary.

Yes, there are many even ministers who carry.

Pocket Bibles that only have the New Testament, and I know other pastors and

Bible scholars and teachers who hate those Bibles.

Well, maybe that's a harsh word to say you hate the Bible.

More that they hate the binding of it, I guess, is a better way of putting it, that there's only half of the Bible

or less than half of the Bible in the pocket -sized version.

But obviously, as you said, that it's not absolutely essential,

but obviously you're going to be stunted, incredibly stunted in your growth if you don't understand the context

where Jesus arrives on the scene and needed to die

for the sins of men.

And not only are you going to be stunted in your growth and knowledge, but

without a grounding in the Old Testament, your beliefs and teachings that you

inform others of could be really going into all.

Kinds of heretical directions, couldn't they?

Absolutely.

I'll give you for instance of that, you know, there's different views about the atonement, and so

there's like a governmental theory of the atonement, there's different theories.

But when we look at the Old Testament sacrifices, those were clearly

substitutions, and really they were penal substitutionary atonements.

They weren't just some type of moral suasion or moral persuasion, they weren't some governmental

theory.

No, no, no.

Those sacrifices in the Old Testament were strict penal sin.

And so if we'll just go by what the Old Testament teaches about sacrifice, it'll keep us

from errors about the doctrine of atonement when it comes to Christ.

Well, that's an interesting thing that you bring.

Up, because I scratch my head, and I'm not going to

broad brush here, I have to be very careful, but the majority, not all, but the

majority of those that I have met and spoken with and enjoyed fellowship with

who are involved in messianic ministry are not believers in what

we would call particular redemption or limited atonement.

Most of them would be, as we call them historically, Arminian, who

would believe in a general atonement.

And it seems odd to me that people who are so steeped in the Old

Testament, who seek to be thoroughly knowledgeable about the Hebrew

roots of the faith, that they cannot see that the sacrificial system

that was commanded by God in the Old Covenant had no benefit to the pagan gentile

nations surrounding them.

That's exactly.

Right.

I mean, the Old Testament sacrifices were particular.

They were limited to those who brought those sacrifices by faith.

They're the ones who got the benefit of the atonement.

And even on the of atonement, when the sacrifices were made for the nation, it

would only be efficacious to those who came in faith,

trusting in what the Lord was doing.

So even within Israel itself, those who were present there on the day of atonement, but did not

exercise faith in what God was doing through the sacrifices, that atonement would do nothing for

them.

So again, it was very much particular in the Old Testament, and it's very much particular in the New Testament.

Would you say that many who reject the

doctrines of grace, who are

seemingly totally ignorant, or have a blind spot when it comes to

God's love in the Old Covenant, that the people, those

Arminians, even those involved in Messianic ministry, seem to have a real blind

spot when it comes to God's love today.

For some reason, they seem to forget that God had a

particular, specific, chosen people in the Old Covenant that

were chosen by God not because of anything they believed or

did, and they weren't better than anyone, they weren't more lovely or attractive or

desirable, and yet God chose them.

And it seems that the New Covenant, they're totally oblivious to this fact.

They don't seem to understand that God still has a particular love

for a particular people, but now it obviously has nothing to do with

ethnicity or bloodline, physical bloodline, and

that these people are from every tribe and tongue and nation, but they are still

a specific people.

Now, I know that even Calvinists disagree as to the extent of

God's love for all humanity, but there's one thing that all those who believe in the doctrines of grace

share in common, is that we certainly believe that God only loves his elect people as a father and

as a spouse.

Very unique kinds of love, because it makes no sense to have a love

for a person who is spending eternity with Christ that is no more powerful

or intense than the love he has for people who are.

Tormented in hell.

That doesn't make any sense at all.

That's correct.

In the Old Testament, you have a God

elected Abraham and his seed, but even within Abraham's seed, there's an election, as

it were.

That election was truly saved.

This is absolutely correct.

And what we see today, you're exactly right.

No longer is it primarily connected to a certain people group,

but now God is choosing people from all

nations

as an individual.

You see it both ways.

Now, in the Old Testament, you will occasionally see a Gentile come to faith in the Old Testament.

And again, there'll be like types of what you're going to see in the New Testament on a much larger

scale,

completely by the grace of God.

Amen.

And what we mentioned earlier, that.

Having, being disconnected from a thorough understanding of the Old

Covenant can lead to all kinds of heresy.

And wouldn't you say that those who fail to see Christ in the Old

Covenant as you have seen him, not just as a

figure or type or a shadow, but literally being there, the second person of the

Trinity being involved in many more of the dominant

or important acts that we read in the Old Testament than we

might ever think were actually addressing the second person of the Godhead.

But those who have a cloudy understanding or perhaps total

ignorance are more likely perhaps to fall into an Aryan understanding of

the Godhead or of Christ, that they would view him not as this second

person of the Godhead that has eternally

existed.

And that they don't see him as someone

who has been doing great works of God in the Old Covenant,

and they see him more arriving on the scene 2 ,000 years ago for the first time, even though they

might not on paper write that down and say.

That.

It's something that they may be conceiving in their head.

When you look at the New Testament authors, you know, they to me are

the authoritative interpreters of the Old Testament.

You know, when Jesus gave to the apostles the keys to the kingdom, I believe one of those keys was

the key to interpretation of the Old Testament.

And what you see in the New Testament, apostles will quote an Old

Testament passage which refers to God or by his proper name Yahweh,

but yet they'll say that's Jesus.

So that when we read the Old Testament and we see either Yahweh or God, we shouldn't read it just simply

as if it's referring to the Father, but it's referring to the Father and the Son and

the Holy Spirit.

So when we see God doing something, when it says God does this or God does that in the Old Testament,

we must read that in a Trinitarian way.

Son and the Father and Son are through the Holy Spirit.

And so it's very important that we read the Old Testament like the apostles read the Old Testament.

Because again, the ultimate interpreter of Scripture is the Scripture.

It's the way to read Scripture.

We do have a question from Tyler in Mastic Beach, Long Island, New York.

It's a bit off topic, but it is related in a sense.

Do many modern confessing evangelicals formulate methods of evangelism

due to their ignorance of the doctrine of regeneration and effectual calling?

Yes.

I'm like Paul.

If Christ is being preached, I'm going to rejoice.

Even if it's not done always the way that I think it should be done.

If Christ is being preached, be careful that

we don't think that we have some kind of special

gift in just saying it the right way or that we're in an argument with a

saint in Christ

to argue with them or present.

But we've got to understand that when we witness to the unsaved, that they're dead

in their trespasses and sin.

They're spiritually dead.

What we must do when we're witnessing is we give them the gospel, but we've got to recognize that it's the gospel

itself that's the power of God to salvation.

So it's not in us, it's in the gospel.

And it takes the Holy Spirit to open the eyes of the

sinner in order

that he can really...

The Spirit really does have to work convinces

of that there's some types of

so man -centered that I think sometimes it's very harmful.

Sometimes people will even use tricks to get people to come down an aisle and do things like this.

The problem with that is they think they got saved because they walked

down an

aisle,

and now I think you've done more harm than good when you do something like that.

Yeah, you were speaking of tricks.

I don't know if you've ever read the booklet.

In fact, I think Chapel Library publishes it.

Now that I think about it, I'm certain they do.

I just had a chat with Jeff Pollard, who is the director of Chapel Library, but they

publish a booklet called Decisional Regeneration by J .E. Adams.

And he quotes in that tract

the absurdity of Jack Hiles, who in his

seminary class, speaking to students preparing

for the pastoral ministry, he was warning them

to never say things like this near the conclusion of

a sermon.

He said you shouldn't say things like, now in conclusion, or my last point is,

or things like that, because he said what you're going to do is your audience is going to dig in their

heels and resist your altar call.

You've got to sneak up on them with the altar call and get them by

surprise.

I mean, can you imagine God's system of salvation being built upon

tricking people and using clever speech and that kind of a thing?

Isn't that like utterly amazing that a man who had gained reasonable

popularity numerically amongst fundamentalists, a certain segment of them anyway, how he

could come up with such insane teachings?

That's right.

And what you'll see sometimes is people will start pushing people's

emotional buttons at the end of sermons.

And I've seen this especially when people are like preaching in view of a call to a church.

At the end of a sermon, they'll start saying some very emotional things to get people feeling very emotional.

Everybody in that, you know, to walk the aisle.

I mean, I hate to say this, but you see tricks like this.

When we're doing that, we're not trusting in the Holy Spirit to save people.

We're using our own person.

There's many churches that

are drawing a crowd, but it's not through the gospel.

Again, if you look at the 100 largest churches,

number one, he's got like, I think it was like 42 ,000 members.

He's still number one.

I thought that somebody had surpassed him.

I don't know why.

I was just looking at somebody has on another one, but I was

just, again, there's very little gospel, if any gospel.

And then, you know, number two was Andy Stanley.

And I heard Andy Stanley in a sermon, just a couple of Bible

says that

by the

unity between the old Christianity, you know, when Christ, John the Baptist

were preaching about the kingdom, which was over and over in the

New Testament fulfilled that scriptures might be

fulfilled.

Or as it is written.

As it is written.

That's exactly right.

Because you see, the New Testament sees itself as the fulfillment of the Old Testament.

And so indeed, Christianity was born on the back of

Christ.

Of course it was.

And he held the Pharisees accountable for not knowing it.

And he shamed.

Nicodemus.

He certainly did.

And Nicodemus was what was called the teacher of Israel, which means he's one of the most

highly respected teachers of his day.

And also you referred to John chapter five there.

Had you known what

of me?

That's where I am.

I'm there.

That's what Jesus is saying there.

That's exactly right.

The side of him.

And Paul says, Oh, I'm speaking to you.

I'm speaking to you.

Nothing except what Moses and the plum and die and

be raised again from the day

to see it.

But again, people like Andy Stanley are teaching a false gospel.

And, you know, it's very sad.

Chris, the bottom line is we're living in an age of apostasy in this country.

And we have to go to a break right now.

Lou from Sharpsburg, Georgia.

If you could be patient, we will get to your question when we return from the break.

And we have a couple of other people waiting.

If you'd like to join them with a question of your own on the air.

Our email address is Chris Arnzen at gmail dot com.

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Lou from Sharpsburg Georgia asks a question that is some way the reverse of an

earlier question.

Can a person be saved by.

Reading just the Old Testament?

An example would be Isaiah.

Yes I think so.

You see it in the New Testament when Philip was talking to the Ethiopian.

They were in Isaiah 53.

He's now a pastor and he was

in prison before he got saved and he said that he's a Jewish.

There was two people in prison with him that always argued about the Bible and it really irritated him

and he said one day he decided he was going to settle the argument so he says I'm going to start reading the

Bible and according to his testimony he says I read Genesis 1 I read Genesis 2 and when

I read Genesis 3 in the fall he says God just

and they were talking about Jesus and he says I just cried out to Jesus right at that point as soon as I hit Genesis

chapter 3 I saw myself as a sinner and then they told me who Jesus was and

boom he has a wonderful testimony and so I've seen people

basically almost just the Old Testament and get saved.

That's pretty rare but it does happen.

Yes and would you say though that God and his providence in

the new covenant would always provide someone to exegete the Old Testament

so that the person would understand that this.

Messiah has been fulfilled in the person and work of Jesus Christ?

You're going to have to believe it's faith in Jesus.

Obviously Jesus hadn't come yet but people back in that day were trusting in God's

provision for them and they understood in the Old Testament that there was one who was coming

that was going to be the fulfillment of all.

This is why Jesus could say Abraham rejoice to see my

day because ultimately Abraham was looking to the Messiah.

He was looking to the one through whom all the nations of the earth will be blessed for his salvation.

So they through their types and symbols were looking for that one who would come.

That's what they were looking for.

Symbols.

Today we have the advantage of looking back.

And we do have Murray from Kinross, Scotland.

Who asks in studying the Old Testament in order to get at the truth in an

ordered and profitable.

Way would you recommend a strictly chronological approach?

Yes and sometimes the Old Testament in English the way it's laid out it's not always

strictly chronological.

Some of the books

order but if you just read from Genesis like in our English Bibles from Genesis through Malachi but

if you do some study and find out how the Old Testament books you know pretty good idea of how they

fit chronologically that would be that would be good as well.

Either one of those would be fine.

Thank you very much Murray from Kinross, Scotland.

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We do have.

Let's see here.

We have Harrison in Mechanicsburg Pennsylvania who wants to know.

I am troubled by some Christians that used to be viewed

as great modern -day heroes of the faith who have adopted theistic evolution.

How far must one go into that theory

before you believe they are totally apostate?

My example to you would be could a truly saved Bible -believing

brother in Christ believe that Adam and Eve were

evolved from.

Animals?

Yes I'm sure

teaches is that God not from some existing

species of animal or something like that but directly from the dirt of the ground.

And Eve was created from Adam.

And so I know there was people and you know like a B .B. Warfield who

and it's somewhat controversial whether he was truly a theistic evolutionist or not but he clearly

believed that Adam and Eve were directly created by God and that's that's that's what.

To me that's very very important.

Yeah my friend Fred Zaspel.

Who wrote a biography of B .B. Warfield said that the

Darwinianism of the day had given

Warfield just I guess reason for pause where he didn't adamantly

reject it and believed it might have been a possible explanation of

creation but he he said that that Warfield was never in some kind of

an enthusiastic supporter of evolution of theistic.

Evolution.

That yeah that's right.

It's it's controversial.

People have different views on how Warfield saw it but one thing for sure Warfield did not see

that Adam was again just evolved from some existing species or something like that.

No he believed in direct creation of Adam and Eve.

Now would you say that because of the the question involves the actual

salvation of a person.

Obviously I would think that you would agree that even a a

born -again child of God a true Christian can have certain

areas of his belief system that are absolutely heretical.

Could he not.

I mean especially if it does not intrinsically involve the gospel itself

or how he was saved.

Uh you know if it does not specifically involve the death of Christ and his resurrection

um couldn't somebody have come up with all kinds of crazy ideas and still

and still have a certainty of heaven awaiting them.

And obviously we would still call them dangerous if they're teachers we would still call them heretics.

But could could it.

Maybe perhaps but only known to him and God or maybe just to God.

That person we might meet in heaven someday.

So when it comes to salvation judge on some

of these issues.

But definitely I would not want these people teaching in Sunday school classes in my church.

Or you know again we would not ordain a person who held to these views.

Uh now if people just you know flat out deny you know clear teach clear

scriptural teachings like the resurrection the deity of Christ inspiration of

scriptures that gives us pause to wonder you know if they truly are

saved or not.

Come out and deny the resurrection.

That's very clear if they deny you know who Christ is and the trinity and things like you know

let's say the the fundamentals.

Salvation by grace alone through faith alone.

According to the apostle paul and his letter to the galatians seems to be uh now i'll say this.

About they vary quite a bit.

They believe in a historicity in

a way that they think that

some people at biologos have run

into mystic evolution where the guys will say i've heard one of them say to me

you know genesis one two three one you know the first few chapters of genesis.

That's just not even our world that that's not even true at all.

Well that's real problematic for me.

I mean that's very very problematic.

But i'll just be straight with you though theistic evolution.

I do not hold to theistic evolution

when you go to

theistic evolution

that i.

Yeah i have even been hearing.

From old earth advocates that it's not just that they

want uh to be accepted as having an equal voice amongst brethren christ

some of them are actually saying that young earth creationalists creationists sorry

are responsible for making a mockery of christianity and therefore we are largely

responsible for the intellectuals rejecting christianity because

we've made the faith a laughingstock basically by believing in things that they think

have been scientifically disproven.

But uh but this is where it it gets really gets me angry when it reaches that severe

level of snobbery.

Even if you want to call it that that's right.

I mean bruce walkie said this by the way.

Really.

And oh yes because he's such a humble man.

I met him back in the 80s when i was a new christian and he seemed like such a humble brother and i was so sad to

hear.

Him develop this uh view of theistic evolution.

That's right.

He basically called young earthers you know cultists.

Really.

Oh yes.

Oh yes.

Now he used to be a young earth advocate.

Wasn't he.

You know i'm not sure of that i but uh he he looks at uh young earthers and

and with disdain.

I mean absolute disdain wow that's that's hard to believe because he was such a he seemed

like a gentle and and humble soul to him for him to come to that kind of uh arrogance is

surprising.

To me yeah that's true but again the reason i'm a young earther it

looks like they're talking a young earth.

Like when when moses the lord made

heaven and earth to see and all that in them is and so forth.

It really does match up with a young earth not an old earth.

And even comments by jesus about from the beginning he made a male and female you know he sees that as at the

beginning of time not as if there's you know building the

creation of to

me seems to teach a young earth.

One other thing i'll just say

mitch where do you start.

Day one.

Three of genesis one the way

you're supposed to read it is day one begins with

genesis 1 1.

It should be from again uh

really leads again to a.

Younger position and uh wouldn't even the fact that the sabbath

was a literal single day.

Have some indication that the rest of the days were literal 24 -hour days.

Absolutely.

I mean it's just the

conceptions of you know what they believe is true you know.

And uh you know i do have.

Brethren in christ that i do highly regard and love and even can learn from in

many areas i mean i believe the late dr james montgomery boyce may have been an old earth

creationist uh but uh at least i know one of the uh christian i

have to be careful how i say this christian scientists scientists who are christians

that he had speak it at his uh conference on genesis i believe was a.

A young earth create uh an old earth creationist.

And some of the guys who have influenced me the most even though i'm a young earther people like charles

hod these guys have had tremendous influence upon me.

And even modern people today there's.

I have many friends even here at southern seminary who hold to an older earth view.

They're fantastic christians great men.

We just differ.

And uh going back to something that i touched on earlier

about the love of god how it can be twisted and misunderstood without

some kind of a background in the old testament don't you think that a lot of the

reason that many of those who are not reformed or calvinist or who reject the

of grace when they see these universal passages over and over again in the

new testament about god's love.

Uh don't you think that they are forgetting that it was such a radical

thing at the time that the new testament was written for gentiles all the pagan nations

to be included in the gospel.

And that the references to the world and all people and so on are

really just referring to every tribe and tongue and people and nation.

Uh you know unlike the old testament where it was only an occasional proselyte

uh gentile who was brought into the covenant.

But you know here in the new covenant you have such an explosion of the gospel going to the four corners of the

earth which was just unheard of at the time for god's people to.

Witness.

That's right.

It was shocking.

To the new testament even i think even the apostles were sort of shocked at this.

Peter was obviously oh yeah.

And what peter says though.

You know he quotes from joel you know in chapter two and there it's not every israelite who calls on the name of

lord but it's whosoever will.

So you can see that in the old testament the great promise is that not only will

the jews be saved but the gentiles too.

Messiah will be a banner around which the

great mystery the gentiles.

He constantly stresses that great mystery of gentiles being

saved by god and being seen in the old testament as well.

And so yeah that was uh just any

israelite you know right.

That calls on the lord to be safe.

So that was shocking.

Absolutely.

And very uh interesting.

Uh way of phrasing that using scriptural language.

Because the non -calvinist and anti -calvinists insist we don't believe

whosoever will may drink of the water of life freely uh.

But we do believe that because whosoever will.

Doesn't that just mean anyone who wants to.

And the question is.

Who wants to.

Right.

That's exactly right.

That's the question.

Right to christ.

Well i'd say from my own experience really think about this.

It wasn't that we loved him first.

It wasn't.

No he loved us first.

It wasn't that.

Oh boy you know i just really want to come to him.

No he did something to me first.

Yes

it does.

It does not mean everyone is capable or able

to come.

It means anyone who.

Wants to may god isn't going to be standing at

the uh gates of heaven on the day of judgment and say uh yeah i

know that you believed but do you have your election ticket.

Uh there is not going to be anybody uh who in a saving and genuinely

repentant way who loved the lord standing there at the gates of heaven

and and being refused admittance because they didn't have some lottery ticket

that they won.

Everybody who is of the elect believes because god has given them the gift of faith

as paul says to his letter to the church in nephesis.

Right.

Exactly that's.

Right a lot of times we'll we'll view faith as the one work god will accept.

But faith is an instrument.

It's not it's it's not the great work.

It's the instrument by which we receive and apply christ in his righteousness.

It was not it was given to you not

only to believe but to suffer.

It was given to us to believe you see that's very important.

Well i want to make sure.

That you have at least uh three minutes to summarize what you'd like to leave with our.

Listeners today that you want most etched on their hearts and minds.

Okay.

Um it's very important that we read the bible as a unity.

Sometimes as new testament believers we have a tendency to think well i'm just living under the new testament so the old

testament is not that helpful for me.

But really that's not what the new testament authors talk about.

If you look at romans 15 4 let's know what this says for whatever was written in earlier times

was written for our instructions.

He's talking about the church there that through perseverance and encouragement of the scriptures

we might have hope.

I think it's very important to realize that when the apostles want to

us through faith he

can establish how chris talks

about love and romans 13 where does he go.

He goes to the ten commandments.

That's how he defines love.

And so i think it's very important that we read the bible as a unity and not just read the new

testament not just read the old testament.

It's the same god who wrote both.

He hasn't changed.

Yes we don't live under the mosaic.

But yet we must read these things together.

For to do that we'll be on the first amen.

Well i do.

Want to remind everybody that our guest uh dr russell fuller is

going to be at the christ our redeemer conference at the pittsburgh baptist church tomorrow and

saturday that's the 9th and 10th of september.

I want to make sure i say that because some people are going to be listening to this in the future on a

archived podcast so this is for the 9th and 10th of september 2016

and this weekend and we hope that as many of you who are able to get to

pittsburgh indiana as possible can join dr fuller

at this conference.

My dear friend pastor josh freiman of community baptist church in riverhead is going to be one of the speakers.

Reverend isaac evans of glastonbury baptist church in glastonbury connecticut is another featured speaker who

i had on this program recently a reverend john peoples who i don't know but i would love to get him on the program

at some point.

Uh he is the pastor of grace presbyterian church in indianapolis indiana.

And of course as i said the plenary speaker will be dr russell t fuller professor of

hebrew and old testament at the southern baptist theological seminary in louisville.

For more information go to pittsburgh baptist .com.

P -i -t -t -s -b -o -r -o baptist .com.

Any other contact information you care to give dr fuller

website.

Just look up southern baptist theological seminary email but

i'll give it to you very quickly.

Rpts .edu r

fuller at sbts .edu.

And that sbts stands for southern baptist theological seminary.

Correct.

Want to thank everybody who listened today and especially those who took the time to write in questions.

And i want you all to always remember for the rest of your lives that jesus christ is a far greater savior

than you are a sinner.

We look forward to hearing from you tomorrow with your questions on iron sharpens iron radio.