April 16, 2018 Show with Jim Andrews on “Polishing God’s Monuments: Pillars of Hope for Punishing Times”

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Jim Andrews, His Ministry, and the Book on Suffering

This is Chris Arnson, your host of Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, wishing you all a happy Monday on this 16th day of April 2018, and I am delighted to have on the program for the very first time Jim Andrews, who received his B .A. in Journalism at West Virginia Tech, his T .H .M. in New Testament at Dallas Theological Seminary, his M .A. in Classics at the University of Colorado, and he is the former head of the Division of Ministries Studies at Western Bible College in Denver and Western Seminary in Portland, Oregon.

He's also the senior pastor of Lake Bible Church of Lake Oswego, Oregon, and the host of the daily radio program, The Final Word, which has been on the air for 15 years. Today we are going to be addressing his book, Polishing God's Monuments, Pillars of Hope for Punishing Times, and it's my honor and privilege to welcome you for the very first time ever to Iron Sharpens.

Iron Radio, Pastor Jim Andrews. Thank you, Chris. Glad to be with you. If anybody would like to join.

Us on the air with a question, our email address is chrisarnsen at gmail .com, C-H-R-I-S-A-R-N-Z-E-N at gmail .com. Please give us at least your first name, your city and state, and your country of residence if you live outside the USA, and please only remain anonymous if your question involves a personal and private matter, and I can see this topic readily lending itself to people wanting to remain anonymous if they are going through punishing times that they want to ask about, and they'd rather not identify themselves.

That is completely acceptable, but if it's not a personal and private question, please give us at least your first name, city and state, and country of residence. Before we go into our topic at hand, there's a couple of things I'd like you to do.

First, let our listeners know something about Lake Bible Church of Lake Oswego, Oregon. Well, Lake is a.

Southern Baptist. Great. Lake Oswego is an upscale suburb eight miles directly south of Portland, but reaches out to... Great. Just out of curiosity, are you affiliated with the.

Founders Ministries? No. Okay, I was just curious because of the fact that you're southern Baptist, and a number of my guests who are in the Southern Baptist Convention are also affiliated with my friend Tom Askle and the Founders Ministries.

Well, now tell us.

Something about the Final Word radio program. Well, years ago that I may want to start a radio program.

Well, your voice sounds completely fine to me. In fact, I think it's a very good radio voice.

Well, I think it turned out to be that way. Maybe not the best, but different. And it has turned out to... I found out that I mentioned it to... I said, I'm good for half. Then I called another man, and I couldn't even get finished with the story.

He said, I'm good for half of it. He was in Detroit at the time. I never met the other guy. Funding are here and in Pittsburgh for many years.

Great. Well, once again, if anybody likes to join us on the air with a question, our email address is chrisarnson at gmail .com. Before we go into the subject, Polishing God's Monuments, Pillars of Hope for Punishing Times, most of the time when I have a first-time guest, I like them to give some kind of an account of the religion of their upbringing, if any, and what providential circumstances the Lord used in your life to draw you to himself and save you.

Yeah. Denominationally. A very liberal denomination today. Pardon? Today, it is predominantly a very liberal denomination, is it not? Okay. Wow. My youngest brother, not at the present time, the Navigators, and has been, maybe still is, on the board, the youngest.

She's in the Baylor country, and the brother right behind me is not a believer. He's a major... And so, pick up where you left off there as far as when you really needed, when you realized you really needed a savior, and so on.

Yeah. I was at an old-time revival meeting, and I was eight years old, and my friend Bingy, B-I-N-G-Y, a revival meeting, understanding of the gospel, but I remember I cried loud. You know, the irony of that is that...

Oh, praise God. You sound very sharp. And with it, and...

Oh, what's that? What'd you say?

Oh, I could tell you a joke that was actually told to me by a Catholic priest years ago, but perhaps I won't take a chunk out of our time today to tell you that, but it was a very, very humorous joke that went along the lines of what you just did there.

But anyway, um, so you have been saved and called into the ministry, and you've been pastoring. I understand that the book that we are addressing today, Polishing God's Monuments, was your very first book.

Tell us about the circumstances that drew you to desire to write this book, where you.

Believed there was a need for it. Yeah, if you're seeing a Western Bible college from 1970 to 1980, we were in a church today, it's called a megachurch, and I brought a message entitled Polishing God's Monuments, and it was a strange thing.

Anybody that's been a pastor and a preacher could, you bring some message, you believe in them, you love them, they're the people of God. But once in a while, you hit a vein, and this, and, uh, and I preached there, God had me a nice little nest egg.

So I, uh, believed in it, but I didn't know how much I was going to be called to live it. Uh, Polishing God's Monuments, boy, were we, well, and then eventually, uh, 1987, my youngest daughter, spring of her last year, 1987, I had seven years at that time, wound up being up there alone.

She got desperately, and, uh, I'm trying to cut to the chase, but she, uh, it got terrible, got terrible. She got married, could hardly, she didn't get better. Both of them were natives, uh, put music, Julie bombed out, she couldn't stand up, so she's homesick, and, uh, he, and it has been 31.

Wow, well, we will certainly, um, be praying for you,.

I will, uh, I'm asking right now, my listeners, please, uh, pray for our guest's family, the Andrews family, and, uh, specifically Jim's daughter and her family, and, uh, I pray that, uh, the Lord brings about healing and victory in this situation.

Uh, how long has she had the.

Ailment again? I'm sorry. Well, it continues to this present hour, and, uh, it's, uh, been a mystifying, baffling illness, killed in a horse, you know, and, uh, right in front of my face, and secondly, and in the providence of God, it left right on her skull, still there to this day, but just light enough, it didn't, but, uh, but my wife, fortunately, I didn't know what it was doing, I don't know what it, anyway, uh, we got to, uh, we got her to the hospital, my wife, she got word of it, she didn't think she was, anyway, we got to the, Virginia, and, uh, and a lady sitting right across from us, and that old son had been in a motorcycle accident, and they came in and told her, I'm sorry.

Praise God. Anyway, she wound up there for about, about a month, and, uh, she, uh, healed up, she had just come back, uh, to Kenya, and the health, and she got there, she got desperately ill, and, uh, so I think that set her up, uh, which, you know, used to be denied.

Hmm. Wow. Well, in fact, uh, the thing that's.

Popping into my head right now is that your daughter should certainly, uh, consider writing.

A book herself. Oh, yeah, well, I wish they could, but, uh, she could, uh, you'd be amazed at what she, and, uh, my son-in-law, he has to carry her, and my wife drives, look at his legs, it's not diabetes, but it looks from the knees down.

Wow, and what a phenomenal example of a Christian husband your son-in-law is. Oh, he's a story in himself, you know, uh, anything less than a cum laude all the way, I can't explain it to you, so the finality of Christ, somebody told me the other day.

Yeah, well, uh, you never know with today's computer technology what still may.

Yet come from her mind and through her pen, and I'm using that as a, uh, an allegory there as far as a pen, but who knows what she may be able to share with the body of Christ and the world,.

For that matter. Yeah, well, they've got, uh, it's a love story like you've never seen. I believe it. Uh, but they're being taxed. And what did you say his illness was? I'm sorry if I need to try to describe.

Okay, I understand. You know, kind of a Sir Ron Davis, pre-genetic, uh, he's, was the co-chair of the Genome Project, which mapped the human genome for the first time. Anyway, he's one of the world's finest, boy, very nice-looking boy, but nobody will, so he's pulled together major scientists, you can look it up.

Yeah, well, they're working feverishly on this disease, and, uh, they're praying every day, and then there's, uh, some of them may know somebody, at least they don't know, won many awards, and they're not all so much before Jennifer, more ill, and then she had to go through what we've been through, or I must say, yeah, I've come to, uh, oh, they really don't know that myself.

They can't understand the limits of their own knowledge, and they're afraid to say, you know, we don't know, so what they do, and so you've got some sort of, I had a lady who was a nurse, her husband was a doctor, and Ray might be one Sunday, and I've sure seen that kind of thing, but anyway, this Jennifer Ray documentary, it can be accessed.

Is this Ray or Bray, B as in boy, R-A-Y or R-A-Y? B-R-E-A. B-R-E-A, okay. Yes, Jennifer Bray, and she's got this documentary called Unrest, Medical Doctors, but now, fortunately, we know.

Yeah, well, uh, I repeat to my audience, please pray for the Andrews family, and specifically the daughter and son-in-law of our guest, Jim Andrews. And my wife, because she goes through.

Hell every day. Yeah, I can imagine. Well, we are going to be going to our first break right now,.

And what I'd like to do is I'd like to read you a question before we go to the break, and you could mull it over and answer it after the break. In fact, I'll also email you the question, so you have it in front of you, and you could look it over during the break.

But we have Gordy in Mechanicsburg, Pennsylvania, who says, I like your daughter and am afflicted with an autoimmune disease that has significantly slowed me down. I believe one of the most important foundations a believer must hold to in order to endure suffering is an unshakeable faith in the inspiration, inerrancy, and infallibility of God's Word.

Confidence in His goodness and faithfulness rooted in the scriptures is a key. What are your thoughts? And you could respond to that when we come back from the break, and as I said, I will also email you the question so you could look it over during the break.

If anybody else would like to join us on the air, our email address is chrisorensen at gmail .com, chrisorensen at gmail .com. Don't go away. We'll be right back after these messages with more of Jim Andrews.

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We are addressing his book Polishing God's Monuments, Pillars of Hope for Punishing Times, and if you'd like to join us on the air, our email address is chrisarnson at gmail .com, chrisarnson at gmail .com.

And right before the break, I emailed you, as you must have by now, a question from our listener in Mechanicsburg, Gordie. And in fact, I am looking for Gordie's question because I misplaced it, but oh, here it is.

And while I am enlarging Gordie's email, because the font is very tiny, let me give you our email address again, if you'd like to join us, chrisarnson at gmail .com, if you have a question for our guest.

Okay, we have Gordie in Mechanicsburg, Pennsylvania, says, I, like your daughter, am afflicted with an autoimmune disease that has significantly slowed me down. I believe one of the most important foundations a believer must hold to in order to endure suffering is an unshakable faith in the inspiration, inerrancy, and infallibility of God's Word.

Confidence in His goodness and faithfulness rooted in the.

Scriptures is key. What are your thoughts? Well, I think it's a great question, and hey, Chris. Let me just jump right to it. Look, this is not about me, it's not about my wife, it's not about my... The thing is, as we walk along in this Christian life, lots of times, but lots of times, I mean, what's going on here?

We love God's Word, we trust God's Word, and Gordie says confidence in His goodness, that's the key, right? Listen to this, and I'm reading from the book, if you don't mind, I'll try not to sound ready.

Oh, you could narrate all you want, don't worry about that. So, is the answer, when we run into these situations where God doesn't seem to perform as advertised, and the operative word there is seem, faith we all know is not biblical.

I say to Gordie, biblical faith is grounded on historical testimony and evidence. So, blind, unthinking faith is not the answer. Blind faith is just gullibility, and that has nothing in common with Christian faith, which is rooted in biblical conviction and confidence in the inerrancy and the infallibility of God's Word.

So, the alternative to blind faith is what? Ah, here comes the book, monumental faith. Well, what do I mean by monumental faith, Chris and Gordie? By monumental faith, I don't mean great faith or heroic faith.

No, I mean a faith that has trained itself in the midst of adversity, to look back. That's the key, to look back. It's all through the Bible, to look back at God's past demonstrations and confirmations of His promises.

These monuments are a testimony of what God will do in the present. Sometimes our faith may be under such heat, the friction of affliction, that we find ourselves long before that. I'll tell you a story from my pastorate when I came out of seminary, and I was back in my native state of West Virginia, in Mopoka, West Virginia.

That's what they were called. Anyway, I would get down to my office and study about seven o 'clock in the morning. I don't know, maybe I was three, and I would pray for about an hour. One day, things were kind of tough.

The Spirit of God just made me self-conscious all of a sudden. I was whining to the Lord, but all of a sudden, I said, Jim, complaining. Is there nothing to thank God for? And then all of a sudden, I started remembering all the good things.

I was walking slow, my head hanging down. I want to thank cataloging all the good things that God had done for me, remembering, dredging up from my memory bank all of the blessings. I've been talking about burdens.

All the blessings that God had heaped upon me in my young life at that time. And then I became self-conscious again. I mean, I noticed that my gait was rampant. My chin was up. My silver was all about it.

It was a monument. That's what the Feast of Booze was all about. It was a monument. When Joshua had them plant rocks on the other side of the Jordan after they went through, they were monuments. And he said explicitly, so that when your sons later on said, hey, hey dad, what are these rocks?

Oh son, let me tell you what God did for us. All through the Old Testament, the Psalms, they talk about the monuments of God's works. Be the anchor of all your listeners. I don't know what they may go through.

I would not be sitting here. We would not be having this interview and this book would not exist were it not for the fact, this very important fact in our lives that we learn to polish those monuments, to polish the monuments of God's great activity in our lives.

I'll tell you how that saved me one time. There was a time in Denver. We had a home up for us building another house, was about to come online and we were in a mess. Real estate contractor ran out and I had one weekend, one weekend, one weekend to sell.

What are we going to do? We were going to be in a little Lord's prairie one night. It was a Saturday night and I said, I see you've got an ad in the paper. He said, I'd like to come over tomorrow, tomorrow's Sunday and come ahead.

Church in the morning. Oh, you mentioned church. Where do you go to church? I said, well, we go to Riverside Baptist. Are you Jim Andrews? You're my Sunday school teacher. The guy came over on Sunday and bought our house.

Okay. That's a monument. So we go to Denver. It turns out at Western seminary sell the market went here without my family. One day my wife called me, please pray. Please pray. A guy was here today. I think he's going to buy the house.

Hold everybody faculty. Hey, you've been privy to never heard from that guy again. Well, the next day I'd never experienced. I don't know what that was like. Normally my office door was, and, uh, I left, I went back, sat, you know, make those sides of the wall.

I just wanted to get up, take my arms, 10 dots and then go, I've served you better than this. I don't deserve this. And then I experienced you, not a, not a vocal one, but as if I heard the spirit, aren't you forgetting something?

What Lord? You forgetting that house I sold that weekend. Oh Lord. God. Yes. Did that mighty thing for you that weekend? Why are you so upset? I changed. No Lord. Well, Jim, have you changed? No Lord.

Well, Jim, what has changed? Okay. A logic in my mind. All that changed Lord is your and then I was on level ground again, but right there is your monuments, Jim. Don't forget those things that God does in your life.

And when you get in the next cracks, flee to the shadow of those monuments and let your faith take shelter there. And remember what God has done. I don't know what he's doing now. I don't need to know what he's doing now.

And I need to stop asking the foolish question. Why eat to go there and wait, take God's word, take God's word. God is faithful. All things work together for the things that we need. God will provide for when he wants to, you know, whatever he does, but just rest on his character.

I may not understand how all of this stuff is fitting into his character. I don't need to understand. Take his word for it. Yeah. I agree with Gordy. Well, thank you, Gordy. And guess what? You have won.

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We have a listener from Lindenhurst, Long Island, New York, CJ, who says, Please forgive me if I missed something, but if you could explain specifically what you mean by polishing God's.

Monuments. God has done something in our lives like he did something yesterday. I was in a financial need. I answered that prayer. Then forget about it. The world did that constantly. Polishing God's Monuments means that when my faith is under heat, I go back to my memory bank, my pantry, as I sometimes call it, my pantry of all the stores like monuments and let them gleam in the storehouse of my mind.

I don't know what he's doing today, but he's done these things, and as I polish on those monuments, they lift my spirit and lift my faith and my confidence.

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Thank you very much, Chad Thompson and everybody there at Granted Ministries. One thing that I'd like to say, and I'm not disagreeing with Gordy, going back to Gordy's question, but perhaps bringing about a different scenario as a result of what he said.

There may be people listening who are intimidated and downcast and feel even more hopeless as a result of what Gordy asked, because they know that their faith is not unshakable. They know that they're holding on to a thread of faith.

They feel like that thread is about to snap, and they are going to spiral down into the abyss. They are at their last grasp of air, it seems to them. Obviously, wouldn't you say that we have to make sure that we're not looking at our own faith in God or our own love for God when we go through these unspeakably horrific trials in life?

Don't we have to look at His.

Love for us primarily? Yeah. I think we need to get to this place, and I've got another book.

By the way, could you continue where you left off, because we have to go to our midway break right now. I'm sorry, I didn't catch that. We have to go to our midway break right now, so could you pick up where you left off when we return?

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