Is the Sabbath Day binding today?

What is up, guys? This is KJ, short for Khalil Jones, and this is Y Theology. Today is a very special day because I found an old episode that I forgot to release. Me and Jeremiah, we never got a chance to kind of redo this episode because, for some reason, I don't know why, my old computer, when we were recording this episode, it cut out, or I guess you could say deleted, one of the parts of this discussion or debate.

And so I never released this episode because one of the parts got cut out. But today I went back in my free time, listened to it, and I thought it was still some good material that Christians can learn from this discussion.

And so me and Jeremiah actually had a friendly debate about, is the Christian Sabbath day still binding today? Now, what I just mentioned, how one of the parts got cut out. So like once you listen to this episode, you don't be kind of confused.

The layout that me and Jeremiah did, we initially started off with what the gospel is, so everybody who is listening could be able to understand, okay, this is not a primary issue. Like if I leave this podcast on one side, it doesn't affect my eternal destination.

So we started off with what the gospel is, and then our debate style was like this. We both had our opening statements, and then the next part was supposed to be rebuttals, and then we had brief Q &A to check each other while we kind of hold to our positions.

And so my computer deleted both our rebuttals. And so when you listen to this, you hear us talk about the gospel, and then you hear both me and Jeremiah get to our opening statements, but you won't hear our initial rebuttals.

And so I'll probably reach out to Jeremiah, and so we probably can have a part two of this discussion or debate, so you guys can still learn from this. And again, I think it's so crucial in the church today, we can have disagreements on secondary issues, but still be united on the primary issue, which is Jesus Christ alone.

So I hope you guys learn from this. You got any questions, reach out to me, and thank you guys. What is up, guys? My name is KJ, and I have my co-host, Jeremiah. Can you introduce yourself, man?

Hey, it's always an honor, KJ, being on here with you and talking about why theology matters. And we basically want people to understand that understanding who God is in truth is probably the most important thing you could ever think about and come to understand is who God is and who we are in light of him.

So theology is important. And so like I said, it's always an honor to be on here with you. And one quick announcement is coming up in May. I believe it's May 17th. I'm actually doing a debate against a Roman Catholic.

We're talking about was Mary sinless? And so us as Reformed Protestants, we're saying, no, Mary, you know, had a sin nature, and she received an inherited sin nature from her father, Adam, like we all have, and we all need a Redeemer, which is Christ.

So be on the lookout for that coming up in the near future.

That's going to be a pretty awesome debate. Can you tell them again what church you go to, man, so they can kind of breathe?

So I'm here in Jonesboro, Arkansas, not too far from KJ and Brother Preston. I go to twelvefivechurch, and please feel free to go to our church website at twelvefivechurch .com. That's the name and word twelve, the letter five and the number five and then church .com.

So go check us out there and support us. Yeah, glad to be here, KJ.

So that is Jeremiah. Like I said, my name is KJ. Now today, we're going to have a pretty fun discussion about the Sabbath day. But before we do that, it's always good to kind of talk about how there can be differences within the body of Christ, but we should all be in agreement on the essential things, those core doctrines of all Christians that makes us Christian.

So the first question before we kind of talk about the Sabbath day, you know, what is the gospel? You want to go first? You want to go first? We can tag team. How do you want to do it?

Absolutely, man. A lot of times with my students, we talk about the gospel means the good news. And really, for good news to be properly understood, you've got to understand the bad news first. And the bad news is the just judge of all the earth will always do right, exercise holy justice.

And we are lawbreakers to that holy, holy, holy, just God. And so we rightly are on this path, this broad road to destruction, to hell because we sin against him. And so the gospel tells us that God, the son became flesh, dwelt among us, was perfectly obedient to the law and paid the full punishment for sin by dying on the cross.

And you can receive forgiveness of sin. This is the good news by repentance and faith in Jesus Christ and him alone. So when you put all of your trust in Christ and love him, then your sin can get put on the cross and in exchange, you can receive his righteousness, his perfect obedience, and God, the father will see you as righteous and no longer guilty of that sin.

So that's the gospel in a nutshell. And I just add, you know, Jermiah said is spot on. Only thing I would add is, you know, a lot of times people have a hard time, you know, what is sin? And so as standard to heaven, of course, we know there's like over 613 laws, but that can all be summarized as simply 10 commandments.

Just three of them. The Bible talks about, you know, we shouldn't lie. The Bible talks about how no one should steal and commit adultery. Well, you ask those questions in a question format. Have you ever lied before?

Have you ever stolen? Have you ever lested out that guy or girl? And the answer is yes to all those and it makes you a sinner like all of us. And so a lot of times people think the standard to get to heaven is like another sinner or another neighbor to have or another brother or sister, father, mother, but the standard is perfection.

How Jermiah talked about imperfection is seen in God alone. That's why the Bible talks about how there's none righteous, not a single one. And so because of that, we are all deserving of the just punishment of sin that God has for sin, which is a place called hell.

A lot of times people don't, you know, have I guess a messed up idea what hell is, but it's not run by the devil. The devil someone has created is run by the person who created hell, which is God himself.

God hates sin and he has to punish sin. But 2 ,000 years ago, the Bible says that this God of the Bible, this triune God placed his wrath upon himself or his second person, Jesus Christ. And for those who would trust in Jesus will be saved by trusting the personal work of Christ.

You'll be saved. So spot on man, man, you both.

And real quick, as I say, we have Easter Sunday coming up and you gotta think the resurrection is crucial to the gospel because Jesus not only suffered and died and took our place on the cross God. So we're really looking forward to celebrating that next Lord's Day.

It's going to be awesome man. I forgot. Or maybe it's the new Sabbath for some people.

We're going to talk about that now. What are because so what means you kind of got done talking about the gospel that is most core essential primary thing you can kind of know as a Christian. If you don't believe kind of what we just said, you're probably not saved and you need to get saved.

But as a Christian, what are some other essential things that we've got to you must kind of believe in?

Yes. So I think the core things you must believe in to be saved is for one, you gotta believe in the right Jesus. You believe in the right God to believe in a Jesus. That's a figment of your imagination does not say.

That's why Jesus says unless you believe that I am you will die in your sin. You gotta believe in the right eternal creator Jesus to have your sins forgiven and you have to receive him properly according to his term.

That's why we always talk about repentance and faith repentance and faith. That's what means to believe in him not just having knowledge and facts about him, but you believe in the right Jesus who is the eternal God and you have to repent and believe in him or repent and put your faith trust love in him.

So those are crucial and I will go as far to say is you must affirm the triune God of scripture. God the father God the son God the Holy Spirit one God who is revealed in three persons and this is an area that I don't think everybody has a robust understand the Trinity and you can still be saved.

But if you are confronted with the whole Council of God about who God is and you reject that then that would place one outside the bounds of orthodoxy and the faith. So you got to receive the right God in truth and it must be through the means of repentance and faith and not by works.

I don't think a couple of things that I have is kind of like believing in the whole Council of scripture. Kind of you mentioned like the old testament here that both those are like infallible and inerrant the virgin birth Christ was both God and man stuff like that.

Those are all things like as a Christian. You should hold all those things now. Someone who's an unbeliever will kind of disagree with those things. Well, I don't believe the Bible is word of God. I don't believe Jesus got stuff like that.

They kind of tell them how to persons really save but those again are those core doctrines. So and a lot of that man Jeremiah is the topic of the Sabbath day. Is it going to determine the man you go to hell or heaven?

Not at all. It's an important issue for sure, but it doesn't even come close to that first-tier gospel issue. In fact, our differences will probably be very nuanced and might even be more semantical and we're really saying a lot of the same things a different way.

But yeah, this is this is tertiary issue. We understand that you know what the gospel is then everything else we can lovingly sharpen one another and talk about disagreements and it can be edifying when it's done in a brotherly love manner.

Like like me and you always talk about we talked about other things. We've even talked about our differences in eschatology and it's all good.

Now. I'm still waiting to turn man. You almost there, man. But man, let's get to this topic man's discussion. I give it I guess for our listeners. We can kind of give them a kind of layout kind of what we're doing.

It also helped me and you so the layout we kind of talking about today, you know, is the Sabbath day still I guess active or binding on the Christian today, but what is the true Sabbath? I guess how do we define it?

And so the layout the day Jeremiah he'll go first. He'll take about five to ten minutes to talk about how he defines Saturday. I'll follow right behind him with five to ten minutes and they will have Roberto times both me and him about five minutes and then after that we'll have like a little Q &A section.

We'll kind of ask each other's a question. So I guess during that time, let's say like Jeremiah goes first. He will have two minutes kind of ask me questions and I have a minute to respond and then when I go vice versa same thing and they were kind of closed when he last thing.

So we kind of have but let's get started man. Jeremiah, you can kind of kick us off man. You got about five to ten minutes to discuss. What is this type of day? Go ahead.

All right. Thanks KJ. So we're talking about the Sabbath and coming from definitions are very important to my stance. So when I read the Hebrew and the Greek for the word Sabbath, they're both consistent in terms of being the seventh day of the week and another reason why this is an important topic when we're saying, you know, what is the Sabbath and how does it apply to Christians today is when you look at the fourth commandment it begins by saying remember to keep the Sabbath day and to keep it holy.

So we say, okay, you know, we're not to forget this. We're saying to bring this to the forefront of your mind. Remember this and one big part of my position is the Sabbath became a sign for the theocratic Israel.

I believe in Exodus 31, 32 right around there. And it's a sign for you and your people. Well started even at creation. God was working on the seventh day. The seventh day he sanctified it, consecrated it and made it holy but there were no commandments given to his people for you know, all this time until Moses comes on the scene and receives the law and then you receive prohibitions to rest on the seventh day from your work.

And if you don't then there are civil laws and consequences for doing that. So we look at the Old Testament. We see how important the Sabbath is to God's people namely theocratic Israel. So important in fact that we see a man in the book of Numbers totally defying God's law picking up sticks on the Sabbath, which tells us that he was working and basically spitting in the face of God saying I do what I want when I want.

I don't I disregard your law. And so he broke the Sabbath and that was punishable by death being stoned to death. So God's God's Sabbath was very important for his people to recognize that he is the creator on the seventh day when he rested from his creation.

So practically speaking, this is not only defined as the seventh day but it was a day of rest from work and to reflect on creator and this was a day to reflect on repentance realizing that they needed their creator to provide rest for them so on and so forth.

So my position in a nutshell is we see the Sabbath being tethered to the ethnic theocratic people of Israel. So we get to the New Testament. We see many passages showing us that Jesus is the fulfillment of this law.

So this tells us that this is ceremonial in nature more than a moral commandment. So when Jesus comes onto the scene, I believe in Mark chapter two, he tells us that he's even Lord of the Sabbath and this is telling us that Jesus is deity.

He's Lord even over the Sabbath and then Paul tells us in Colossians two that the Sabbath finds its substance in Christ himself. So we're no longer to be judged by a Sabbath or new moons or festivals or these types of ceremonial laws.

Jesus fulfills the Sabbath by saying, look, I've come to give you rest and rest for your souls. And I believe the writer of Hebrews makes the same case that the people of God find their rest in the one and only savior of Jesus Christ.

So my position is the Christians today are no longer under the ceremonial law and principle of the Sabbath. That was for the people of old theocratic Israel. Now we are a spiritual Israel, but we are under the new covenant.

I believe we're still under the covenant of grace. Absolutely. But we are no longer under the civil and ceremonial laws that were directly given to theocratic Israel. We are the elect of God. We are spiritual Israel in that sense.

So I believe that Christians are no longer under the Sabbath principle for the seventh day as it's defined both in Hebrew and Greek, but we are given the apostolic pattern of gathering together on the Lord's day, the first day of the week.

Throughout the book of Acts, we see that this is the first day where they would gather together to hear God's message being proclaimed by an apostle and his teaching. This is the day that they would break bread and they would set aside money to give from a cheerful heart.

And so we no longer see this Sabbath day being moved from the seventh day of the week to the first day of the week, but we see it's finding its fulfillment in the person of Christ. So hopefully as me and KJ kind of spar a little bit back and forth, it'll get pretty nuanced.

I think ultimately me and KJ will be saying the same thing because my position says absolutely, the Sabbath found its fulfillment in Christ. So I see the seventh day being fulfilled in a person of Jesus, not being fulfilled in a new day, namely the first day of the week.

So that'll probably be where some of the differences come out. Does it go from the last day of the week to the first day of the week? Or does it go from the last day of the week to the person of Christ?

And then I imagine KJ will affirm that, then he'll say, but that also applies to his resurrection on the first day of the week. And, you know, in some way, I will admit to that in principle. Yes, the first day of the week, we celebrate the new creation of being in Christ, no longer the seventh day reflecting on God being creator, resting on the seventh day of the week.

So some of that's nuanced, but where it gets important is answering a few questions, which I'll go ahead and throw out there. So KJ can be thinking on this. We talked about this a little bit, but we said, man, let's get together and do a debate.

And I said, let's do it. One fundamental question is, if we're applying the seventh day Sabbath principle to the first day of the week, is it wrong to work or to do certain activities on the first day of the week if we're calling this a new Sabbath?

This is where the 1689 London Baptist Confession of Faith, I love this confession. Doesn't mean I agree with everything because we are called to measure everything, test all things to the word of God and hold fast to that, which is good.

My understanding of the 1689 tells us that we are not to work our jobs on the new Sabbath and they're implying the first day of the week. And so it seems like the 1689 is implying that that would be simple to some degree to work on the first day of the week.

And maybe that'll be a talking point for me and KJ. And I'm saying, this is actually very important where you come down on understanding the Sabbath because nowhere do I read in the New Testament that for one, the old Sabbath is somehow on the first day of the week.

But if I grant that, what if I work, what if I do some type of activity that doesn't qualify as rest as understood in the Old Testament? So if KJ agrees and says there shouldn't be any punishment for working on the Sabbath, then I'm saying in what sense is it sin?

Because in the Old Testament, there was a consequence for sin. And if the civil law was for theocratic Israel only, and which I think me and KJ both will agree with, I'm saying, well, that is basically my position saying and the ceremonial Sabbath was also for Israel as well.

So if it's sinful, I'm saying to what degree are we held accountable to God by that? And if it is sinful, then what room do we have for not meeting on the first day of the week? We also talk about Hebrews chapter 10.

It says not to neglect the gathering of the body. And this is a wonderful thing, but there's other passages that tell us there's liberty. I think it's Romans 14 verse five that says, some people honor every day the same.

And so in principle, there could be providential hindrances to not gather together on the first day of the week, but for whatever culture, for whatever reason, it would be permissible to gather on a Saturday or a Monday.

However, the apostolic pattern has been on the first day of the week. So I'm very curious when it comes down to, okay, if this is a new Sabbath, do we carry it? At what point do we start or we stop carrying over Old Testament principles over to the first day of the week?

My position simply is the Sabbath was primarily for theocratic Israel of the Old Testament. That was founded, it found its fulfillment in the person of Jesus Christ. And so Christians are under the law of Christ, which is primarily to love God and to love neighbor.

And we follow the example of gathering together on the Lord's day, which is the first day of the week, basically symbolizing the day in which he resurrected. We celebrate that day together. So one question that I will ask KJ also is when we look in the book of Acts, how would New Testament Christians understand the writer Luke who's penning the book of Acts?

When he references the Sabbath, is he talking about a first day of the week principle that the 1689 holds to and a lot of our historic reform brethren held to? Or is he talking about it in a context of Jews for the seventh day?

And if he's talking about the seventh day of the week, I'm saying that that's my position. In the New Testament, especially in a New Testament Christian perspective after the law of fulfillment, the Sabbath is still understood as the seventh day.

So I loved how KJ kind of kicked off this whole discussion. We're definitely talking about a tertiary issue. Me and KJ can lovingly disagree if we think the Sabbath is the first day of the week for Christians, or my position would say we're no longer under a Sabbath, but we gather together not on a new Sabbath, but the Lord's day, the first day of the week.

So these are nuanced in our distinctions, but I believe they're very important to still discuss today. So KJ, I'll yield the rest of my time to you, sir.

Wonderful explanation, man. Wonderful, man. I'll try to take all our time off tonight. I'll do something just quickly brief as you guys know, I adhere to the 1689. And so I just kind of read these two sections and it's kind of where I stand.

I kind of explain what they're saying. But in chapter 22 of the Sabbath in 1689, it says this in paragraph seven, it is a law of nature that in general, a proportion of time specified by God will be set apart for the worship of God.

So by his word in a positive, moral, and perpetual commandment that obligates everyone in every age, he has specifically anointed one day in seven for a Sabbath to be kept holy to him from the beginning of the world to resurrection of Christ.

The appointed day was the last day of the week. After the resurrection of Christ, it has been changed to the first day of the week, which is called the Lord's day. This day is to be kept to the end of age as the Christian Sabbath, since the observing of the last of the week has been abolished.

And then paragraph eight, it says this, the Sabbath is kept holy to the Lord when people have first prepared their hearts appropriately and arranged their everyday affairs in advance. Then they deserve a holy rest all day from their own works, worries and thoughts about their secular employment.

And recreation.

Not only that, but they also fill the whole time with public and private acts of worship and the duties of necessity and mercy. So the position I'm coming from is again, the historical reform position, but a couple of things before I even get there, let's just kind of define some basics.

So me, I guess we'll start right here. What is the law? When we think about the law in Old Testament, it's split into three parts. We have the ceremony of the civil and the moral law. Now, when Christ says in Matthew five, I didn't come to, you know, get rid of law, I came to fulfill it.

He was referring to all three of those, those parts of the section of the law. And so in the New Testament, we see that Christ has totally done away with the civil and the ceremonial law, but the moral law, which is the 10 commandments is still binding today.

Even though Christ has fulfilled it, it's still binding because the moral law reflects who God is in essence or his character, which is holiness. And so you could point to God's law and it reflects who he is.

And so you look at the character in person of Jesus, he is a reputation of the law because he kept all those laws perfectly. And so when I think about the Sabbath day, I think the Sabbath day falls into what's called the Decalogue, the 10 sayings as a Hebrew we know, but the 10 sayings again is what's known as a moral law.

And so if Christ has done away with both the civil and the ceremonial law, and we hold to the reform brethren said that the 10 commandments is still active and binding today on people, not to keep it to go to heaven, but if you're not trusting in Jesus, you have to keep all parts of God's law in a sense to go to heaven.

You guys know this, but from this point of view, as Christians, we should want to obey law, obey God, not because we want heaven, but because we're already going there and want to please the father and want to be like Jesus Christ himself.

Now, if Christ were to do away with one part of the moral law, why not Christ do away with all parts of the moral law? Because the other nine commandments are still active and binding today as well. When we're sharing the gospel, like I did earlier, I kind of mentioned like three brief commandments, like don't lie, don't steal, don't commit adultery.

You guys don't know murder, do not covet on your father and mother. But the Sabbath day is also mentioned in the mix of all these other commandments. And so I believe the reason is because the Sabbath day, there's some kind of moral aspect behind it.

It's not just talking about a day, which it is, but ultimately how to dramatize it. It's pointing to the truth of human in Christ. Now, what is the moral aspect behind the Sabbath day? I believe the moral aspect is that God is just in demanding that he can set up, set aside a day for his people to worship him.

And that's definitely moral because his people should be worship him. We know that what is the chief and greatest commandment is to worship God and enjoy him forever. And so that God can definitely acquire that from his people.

But also we learn in Matthew, I believe it's 11 verse 28. Jesus Christ says, come to me all who are weary and heavy laden, I give you rest. And so true rest is ultimately found in Christ. But my position is why do we say that the Sabbath day has been changed for say, versus kind of being kind of done away with kind of how Jeremiah said.

Well, if you look in the New Testament, yes, the Sabbath day in the Old Testament was on Saturday because that was their Sabbath day. And we get to the New Testament, even the passage that Jeremiah quoted, I believe it's Acts 17 verse 2.

It says that Paul met in the synagogues, I think on three Sabbaths, some lines of that. I'm paraphrasing Jeremiah a bit. But why do we say that it's been changed? Well, we look in the New Testament as well as church history, we see that in Revelation, for example, chapter one, verse 10, John on the island of Patmos, he said, I was in the spirit on the Lord's day, or basically worshiping on the Lord's day.

We learn in John four that Jesus says to the Samaritan woman that his people will worship in spirit and truth. And so to be in the spirit, which means the kind of worship, that's the kind of worship that God requires of his people, which is the worship in spirit and truth.

And John was doing that kind of worship on the Lord's day in Revelation. And so you also see the pattern in New Testament, church history, we see that many of these Jews who were living in this time period, they were indeed following the model of the apostle Paul as they were getting away with the ceremony aspect of the Sabbath, all those customs that had to do with the Saturday Sabbath, and now following the new Sabbath, which again has been changed to Sunday because it's still a moral law, but also that's the day that Jesus Christ rose and died again and entered into eternity rest in heaven.

And so it's kind of my position. I kind of give it to you from there, man, Jeremiah to kind of do a rebuttal, but you go ahead, man.

Okay, KJ, my next question is, in light of the 1689 London Baptist Confession of Faith, would it be sinful to even after a Lord's day service, would it be sinful to do a activity that requires labor and work such as mowing your yard?

Oh, there is some, I guess, differences in how we view this. I guess my personal opinion is no, if we don't, so let's say for example, like I work Monday through Saturday and my only off day is on Sunday.

And so I haven't cut the grass Monday to Saturday.

Because I'm working.

And so let's say if I'm not neglecting, if whatever activity I'm doing is not neglecting or forsaking me from gathering the church on Sunday, whether it be morning service and evening service, I would say it's okay.

But there are some people within the reformed community who are more scripted than me. They try to have everything done on Saturday. That way they can just truly dedicate themselves to the Lord, if that makes sense.

Absolutely, and we're close in that. So my principle is it's not sinful to do, mow your lawn on the Lord's day, which to me is just Sunday, the first day of the week, not the Christian Sabbath. But I would see something wrong if somebody is waiting to do certain activities to neglect gathering together with their body.

So it sounds to me, is this fair to say that you're a little bit closer to me on this issue than the 1689 on the issue of the Christian Sabbath?

Well, ultimately, because I know like the 89 is trying to teach us what scripture says. And so like people can kind of like, I guess, infer different things from scripture. And so like, even though how like I would kind of say, well, the 89 is kind of stating this, someone else may kind of say, well, no, it's stating this,.

Same thing with scripture.

And so like, even though we may be a little bit similar, I'm still on the side of like, let's say for example, like if I'm cutting grass on Sunday and my church service starts at 11 o 'clock and I decided to cut my grass on Sunday at 11 o 'clock, I believe that's totally sinful because I'm neglecting the saints to gather with them in church.

So it's still a sin because again, it's that fourth commandment, I'm breaking it.

Yeah, and this is where me and you are basically on the same page functionally because it sounds like you're saying it's okay to mow your yard if it's after the service and doesn't interfere with gathering the saints.

And I'm over here saying absolutely, amen. I just don't see it as the Christian Sabbath. I just see it simply as the Lord's day. So now that brings some clarity. And I think you also cleared it up in saying it's not that the 1689 is a hard stance that you can't do any of these activities on the Lord's day or it's sinful.

It's one's interpretation of the 1689. I think I understood you on that. And kind of lastly here, we'll wind down. I wanted some more clarity. You connected Revelation 1 10 with John four, where Jesus says, you know, the father's looking for worshipers together to worship in spirit and truth.

So I definitely think that John there is talking about how God is looking for true worshipers in the sense that they worship from the heart, which is of the spirit and in truth and inaccuracy according to what God has revealed.

So you seem to have connected that to Revelation 1 10 and Revelation 1 10 simply says the Lord's day. So I didn't really make any necessary logical deduction saying that that equals eighth day or first day of the week is the new Christian Sabbath.

So maybe you could re-explain that to me and why those two together somehow equal Christian Sabbath.

Definitely. So like kind of what you're inferring, kind of the Sabbath day has always been referred to the Sabbath day, which is, you know, not the Sabbath day, the seventh day. So that would be Saturday.

Well, what makes this verse so special is because again, usually worship was on Saturday for the Jews, but what's so special about this verse is that John is kind of talking about this worship that Jesus was saying that we should do.

And it usually is referred to on the Saturdays. Now, John is doing this now on the Christian Sabbath, which is Sunday. That's kind of, I don't know if you kind of draw a distinction there kind of made, but that's kind of how I see that.

So this is where we differ a little bit, but I think it's good because I want to bring out some clarity. This is a huge verse from my position saying Revelation 1 10 simply says Lord's day and sure John is worshiping on this day.

And I do think it's talking about Sunday being the first day of the week. But what I don't see from Revelation 1 is that transfer of the seventh day of the week for Old Testament theocratic Israel to Christians being on the Lord's day.

I'm saying what we see is something unique that theocratic Israel had and now Christians gather together on a categorically different day, not one of Sabbath, but one of a Lord's day because that was the day that he resurrected.

So are there any clues in the immediate context where I would kind of gather that and if you say worship, I grant that he's worshiping, but the Apostle Paul in Romans 12 says our whole body are to be living sacrifices and that is our worship.

So worship is to be every day for the Christian and then we gather together in a special way on the Lord's day. And I agree with all these principles, but what I'm missing, I guess from your argument in the 1689 other than the implicit, well, Jesus resurrected therefore Christian Sabbath.

I'm saying I need more principles to go on to see that the Sabbath needs to continue on for the Christian rather than being totally in total fulfilled in Christ. So I'm saying seventh day to person, sounds like you're the 1689 and your position is saying seventh day to the person and also a new day.

Yes, yes.

Are there any clues in Revelation 1 other than worship? Because we don't disagree that John is worshiping on the Lord's day. Are there any clues to make us realize that there's a transfer from the Sabbath, the Sabbath day to the first day?

I'm just, I don't know if there's any more clues to help me see that transfer.

So that question and a lot of kind of like the entirety of the full counsel of God, I'm saying that like the entire moral law, even though it's fulfilled in Christ is still binding on us today, not to go to heaven and keep these laws, but simply because I need to please the father.