Matt Slick Live: September 10, 2024

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It's Matt Slick Live! Matt is the founder and president of the Christian Apologetics Research Ministry, found online at karm .org. When you have questions about Bible doctrines, turn to Matt Slick Live for answers.

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Welcome to the show. It's me, Matt Slick. And you're listening to Matt Slick Live. If you want, you can give me a call. The number is easy, 877 -207 -2276. I want to hear from you. Today's date is September 10th, 2024.

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I'm Matt Slick. You can put in the subject line, radio comment, radio question, and then we can get to them. I won't be on the air Friday because I'm going to California to speak at a church, a conference actually at a church, Yorba Linda, Calvary Chapel.

This Friday evening, Saturday, I'll be preaching in Calvary Chapel, Norco, down there as well. So looking forward to that. And I think that's about it. Let's get on the air with Jermaine from California.

Jermaine, welcome. You're on the air. Hi, Matt.

Hey. How are you doing? Hello. I'm doing okay today. Just had an interesting one for you. All right. I know there's this new movie about deliverance out and I see a lot of people that are charismatic friends of mine.

They seem to imply that speaking in tongues is a weapon, spiritually, and I politely contended that with scripture. I just wanted to hear your take on that because I don't find anywhere in scripture where it says speaking in tongue is a, quote, weapon.

So I want to hear what you have to say about it. Well, I'm with you.

Where is it a weapon and what sense is it a weapon? You know, speaking in tongues, there's different interpretations on it. One is speaking in a known language and one is speaking in an angelic language.

One is speaking in a language you understand, a different language in tongues because in the context of not hearing things in the original Hebrew and or Aramaic with the Jews who were there in Israel at the time, they're hearing things spoken in different tongues.

But like, you know, Egyptian, Syrian, whatever it might be. So that's another possibility. And in the New Testament, it talks about tongues and interpretation of tongues. It's like you. I'm with you. It's never said to be a weapon.

So I'd like to know what it is they mean by it being a weapon and in what sense. So interesting. You know, I don't know.

Okay. Yeah, I know that's the answer. Some people like to hear it developed. I think they're implying that supposedly when they're doing these deliverance ministries, how demons don't like speaking in tongues and therefore it's a weapon.

So that's the logic I've heard.

Well, okay, then everything we do spiritually is a weapon. So, you know, tithing, prayer, going to church, singing hymns, singing praise songs. So I think it's too loose of a definition there. So anyway.

Okay. Yeah. All right. Thank you. Appreciate it. All right, man. God bless. Okay. It was germane. And if you want, you can give me a call. 877 -207 -2276. Let's get to Cole from, I mean, Georgia. Cole, welcome.

You're on the air.

Hey, Mr. Matt, how you doing, sir? Oh, hang in there. Oh, hanging in there.

So what do you got, buddy? Oh, you're yearning. Don't do that. Don't do that. Don't yawn. Yeah, it's been, you know, I've been super busy all day. And it's just, I got so many things on my plate that I often work up to two minutes before the radio show and sometimes during the breaks I'm writing during the show.

I mean, I got, I'm just buried all the time. So there was my.

You're busy, man. The busy work, busy in the work of God. That's good.

That's good. I'm busy, but I need a lot of help, too. But go ahead. So here's my question.

Ezekiel 16 and the Allegory of Sodom and Samaria

Ezekiel 1653. It's a simple question. Is that the same Sodom and Gomorrah or is that a different Sodom?

I would think it's the same one. Says, I will restore their captivity, the captivity of Sodom and her daughters, the captivity of Samaria and her daughters, along with your own captivity. Oh, so it has to do with there's a judgment that was on them.

And God's going to restore those areas and or descendants. Interesting. It says we're daughters. That's interesting. Your sisters, Sodom and her daughters in Samaria.

Yeah. But what does Sodom destroy with Sodom and Gomorrah? It's confusing to me. It says a couple of times in that chapter.

Yes. Yeah, it is confusing to me. Yeah, they're destroyed. What I want to know is what sense is it of sister Sodom? I think it's talking spiritually about. Spiritually about those represented by Sodom and Samaria.

So verse 48, as I live, declared the Lord Sodom, your sister and her daughters have not done as you and your daughters have done. Behold, this this was the guilt of your sister Sodom. She and her daughters had arrogance.

So it's interesting what's going on there. It's a prophecy, harlotry. It's about idolatry and things like that. So it's an allegory is what it is. So it's an allegory talking about Israel as an abandoned child.

And God is using family language to convey ideas. So it's not a literal issue of the literal city. It's what they represent. The pagan nations, pagan alliances, judgments pronounced, things like that.

And they're using a comparison. Yeah, I figured.

I figured. Yeah, I figured that, Matt. But what confused me when he in 53, where he say restored Sodom, like, huh? That confused me.

Yeah, I'm not exactly sure what that means. This is God promises that will be restored. But maybe it's just as a symbol of God's mercy that he will. He's merciful even to restore them. But I don't think it means the actual city.

I think it means, I don't know what it means, actually.

But Matt, let me let me bring one. Sure. Can I bring one more point in that Jesus said? Remember when Jesus said it'll be more tolerable in that day for Sodom and Gomorrah than you? Could that tie into that?

It could, because what Jesus was talking about was Sodom and Gomorrah, sin of homosexuality, if you want to go that far, was exceedingly great and they were destroyed for it. And the Pharisees, the Sadducees and the scribes, their sin was greater than that because they were condemning the Messiah, God in flesh.

So it'd be more tolerable for the wicked people of Sodom and Gomorrah than for the wicked judges of Israel, who at that time of Christ condemned him and killed him. That's a great, much greater crime.

So that's what Jesus is saying.

Yeah. Well, thanks very much, man. Yeah, I was a little head scratcher for me. Okay. Yeah, I think it's just... Well, thanks a lot. If you're getting anything else on it, you know, just I'll listen to you every day.

So if you get anything else on that, let me know. All right. Well, appreciate that. Okay. Thank you.

All right. Sounds good. Okay. God bless. You know, sometimes people will listen and then, you know, I'm not exactly sure what something might be, you know, that happens. And they'll sometimes write a response and they'll email me.

Have you thought about this? A lot of people are listening and a lot of people have studied different stuff. So I always appreciate when people do that. So if you have any suggestions on that one, let me know.

All right, let's get to Janet from Raleigh, North Carolina. Janet, welcome. You're on the air. Hey, man, how you doing? I'm hanging in there. More hanging than in there, but I'm hanging in there. Keep hanging.

Keep hanging. You got to hang in there.

Hey, I'm calling because I'm trying to, I'm following up. I don't know if you remember, because you have so many phone calls, but we talked, you looked up a church for me, Vintage Church in Raleigh, and I was going to go check them out and see how, you know, I can fit in there or whatever.

So anyway, that was about two, three weeks ago. And I did just that for the past two weeks, two Sundays, I think. I went to church there and they're the church I was telling you that's very different from myself there.

The median age is like 35 and I'm 60 and most of the majority are Caucasian and I'm African American. So, you know, it didn't seem like a really good fit, except that they are really good on scripture.

They just seem to be really on point when it comes to scripture. They stick straight to the text. They don't go all over the place. They make their point and they're on a mission to discipleship. They're really on that.

So you'd be proud of me because I did all those things. Plus, I'm at the library right now getting ready to go in because I don't have a printer. I'm going to print out the information about finding a church on the CARM website so that I can go there tomorrow and talk to them about those things that are on that list.

Good for you.

Yeah, good for you. I'm looking at this Vintage Church out there. I looked it up. So there's Central, Downtown, Durham, and North and Chapel. Which one is it? Downtown. Downtown Raleigh. Okay. So Mike Schilling Law.

What an interesting name. And I'm looking for Women Pastors. Hopefully they don't have that yet. Women Directors.

They don't have Women Pastors. I can tell you that now. They don't. That's good. Yeah. There's a big thing on that thing. Men in Leadership. Good. Good for them. And yeah. Go ahead. Okay. You looked it up last time and you said you thought it was safe enough for me to go explore when you look up the information online.

That's right. So I decided to do that. And yeah, I don't know how I'm going to fit in or what God is really leading me to do because like I said, they're very different for me. It's not the style of worship that I'm used to or the music that I'm used to.

But they seem to be solid on Scripture. They just really seem to have a good foundation on Scripture. So I'm kind of going on that.

I just got to ask. Okay. And I got a reason for asking. Okay. So you're African-American. What kind of church service are you used to going to? I'm curious.

Well, you know how churches are. You know what Martin Luther King said? That the 11 o 'clock hour is the most segregated hour of the day, of the week or whatever. It's true. You know, there's mixed churches out there, but they're not as easy to find.

I'm sure you understand what I'm saying when I say that I go to a typical African-American church where they have music and they make very emotional sermons. They're good sermons, but they're emotional.

And then when you leave there, you're kind of fired up like, oh, wow. I don't feel that way when I leave this church.

Well, you know, I'm smiling because I have been saying for a long time and I'm serious. I was hoping to find a black church in my area where they're reformed. Because let's just say some churches are rather subdued and stuff and that works.

But I like a little bit of liveness.

That's what I was thinking too. That's what I was thinking too. Have you ever heard of Inner Varsity Christian Fellowship? Yes. Okay. Well, I was real big on Inner Varsity, which was a really great thing back when I was in college.

Anyway, this church was founded by some people from Inner Varsity or whatever. Now they branched out to these different locations. They only had one location when they started. But that's kind of the style I'm used to too.

So I'm used to both. I'm used to the African-American style. I'm also used to a different style where you study and you teach and not necessarily preach. You kind of teach. They're more of a teaching church than a preaching church.

I miss the preaching. I'm like, ah, but I can't deny the scripture. Oh man, there's the break.

Hold on. We'll talk a little bit more because it's a big topic for me lately. Hey folks, we'll be right back after these messages. We'll get back to Janet. But we have four open lines, three open lines, I should say.

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Welcome back to the show. Hope you want to give me a call. The number is 877 -207 -2276. Let's get back on with Janet. Janet, welcome. You're on the air. Thank you. All right. So the reason I said hold on because I had an experience when I was in seminary.

And I had a black friend in seminary, right? In San Diego. He goes, hey man, want to come to my church? I said, yeah, I'd love to. So my wife and I went. And let's just say that I was accosted immediately with handshakes, smiles, and hugs.

Okay. Oh, I love that. I was like, oh yeah. And people were just happy. And oh, hey, praise God. You know, oh yeah. Now you go into, let's just say, typically speaking, a white church. Welcome. There's the cookies are over there.

And you know, it's okay. And so then, you know, the music was, oh, it was awesome. You know, it was just alive and they're moving and I'm having a great time. And my friends next to me and I'm just having a great time.

And then the pastor comes out to preach and everybody started applauding. And I said to him, I said, no, no, no, you can't applaud for this guy. And he goes, you don't get it. He said, they're plotting for the man who's bringing the word of God.

So I started applauding. I started clapping. It was awesome. I had a great time there. And if I could find a church like that, that's reformed. Oh yeah, I'm there.

That's right. I think that's what's scary for me looking for a church is because I'm like you. I'm used to all of those things and leaving feeling good. I don't know why I'm drawn to this church. I have absolutely don't have any idea except that I do like their location, which is downtown, which they're near the homeless population and all of that.

So the outreach there is really good, but I don't know why. And I keep going and going and going. I'm like, I don't understand it. Now they have what they call community groups, which are their Bible study groups that meet during the week.

I went to two out of three of their classes to prepare you for that because I'm going to go to all those classes because I want to make sure I do everything the way that they want you to do it and then go to those Bible studies.

So I'm worried about that because the average age is 35 years old in that church, and there's a lot of younger people there. There's a few older people, but not many. And I talked to somebody, I went to a meet and greet on Sunday before church, and I talked to a guy who was in his 60s.

He had me laughing. He said, oh, he goes, I went to the young people's group. He said, but you know what? I couldn't hang with him. He said, I'm in a group now. Everybody in there is 60 and older. That made me sad because I'm like, you know what?

I don't think I want to be with somebody 60 and older. I kind of like thinking about the young people. I mean, there's people that are going to be taking over the earth, and they have the enthusiasm to drive.

You know, they're not tainted by all the stuff that a 60-year-old is tainted by. I'm like, I'm going to end up being in a 35, 20-year-old Bible study group. You know, so I worry about that too, Matt.

You know, I'm like, what do I do?

Just go. You know, just go, and you'll be loved, and the people there, I'm sure, are good, and you'll find out. You know, you probably have a gift or quality or something that people lack. We need mixed churches.

We really do. We really do. We need to have that variety because we get too comfortable in a tradition or a look or whatever. You know, I was an assistant pastor. I went to a Dutch Reformed church. My last name is Slick.

Slick, S-L-I-C-K. And I went in there the first day when I was hired, and the first day they were introducing me, this woman said, well, what's your name? I said, Matt Slick. And she said, Slickstra?

And I went, uh-oh. They couldn't even, she couldn't even get my name right with me telling her because everything was filtered through the Dutch mentality. Oh. Uh-huh. And that confused me, and it concerned me.

And, you know, they're godly people. They were very godly people, good people. But, you know, people just have their comfort zones. And I think we need to not have so much comfort zones. Yeah.

And that's why I feel led to do what I'm doing now. I'm really out of my comfort zone. I'm not, you know, I don't get up on Sunday thinking I'm enthusiastic about going to church. I am, and I'm not at the same time.

So I'm like, I know I'm not going to hear the music I want to hear, but at the same time, if I listen to the words, and I listen to the message, and I listen to the Scripture, I get a whole lot out of it.

I'm like, I can't deny that. I just, I can't deny it. I'm getting something out of it, a lot, you know. So I just continue to go. They do have a group there that's, what do they call it, a diversity group.

So I talked to the pastor there the other day, and he said, we have a diversity group. I said, well, fine. I think that's probably where I'm going to be somehow or another involved in that group because I'm really concerned about the diversity.

But so they do have places I can fit in, and I think I have gifts and talents that that church could benefit from if I end up going there. So, yeah.

So that's, well, I think it's good. I think it's good. Okay, good. Yeah, I think it's good. And it'll be interesting to see what God does with you.

And yeah, I'm going to work. I don't, I don't want to sit on the pews. I don't want to be a pew person. I really want to get my hands wet and do ministry. And they're really big on discipleship. They think that everybody should be involved in discipleship.

And that's their main thing. You know, they preach that almost every Sunday. So, you know, I'm like, well, yes, I thought you'd be proud of me. So let me call and get an update and tell you how I'm doing.

And then, like I said, I'm getting ready to print off that sheet today so I can go to church tomorrow night and give him that, you know, some things about what to look for in a church that can answer those questions that I have.

So I'm trying to do that. I think I'm doing everything I need to do. I think if I let anything off.

Yeah, yeah. I'm trying that. I'm really trying. You seem to be doing OK and figuring it out. I think God's going to bless you. I do. Oh, thanks. Thanks. Thanks for your encouragement.

Thanks for that information on CARM. So that's going to be real helpful. So I appreciate that. Yeah, yeah. This is a great resource. I'll keep you updated as things get better. I'll just continue to let you know how things go, because I think they're going to get better.

I really do. I hope so. Yeah. Well, good. Praise God. Yeah. OK, Matt. Well, I will let you go. And then I'll touch base with you later on when something's on fire. OK, sounds good. God bless. OK, Matt.

Take care. All right. You too. Bye bye.

Bye bye. All right. I like that. That's good. That's encouraging. That is encouraging. So hey, look, we have nobody waiting right now. If you want, you can give me a call. 877 -207 -2276. We have nobody waiting right now.

So what I can do is go to some of the emails that we get sometimes. And I can try and deal with some of those questions, radio comments, and radio questions. So let's get to some of those. All right. While I wait for people to give me a call.

All right. Let's see. How about, are there apostles today? No. Apostles were the ones who saw the Lord Jesus Christ, were called by the Lord Jesus Christ. And now there's different kinds of apostles. Because in the Bible, believe it or not, there's seven kinds of apostles.

Let me see if I can find that information really quickly. Let's see. Let's see. Seven. I can find the kinds of apostles. Let's see if I can find it. Because there are. Let me see. Let me see. I'm going to look in my dictionary.

Something like that. Anyway, if I can find it. Yeah, here we go. There are apostles who were only among the 12. They performed miracles and some wrote scripture. Paul was an apostle. And maybe a unique one because he's commissioned by Christ.

But he wasn't of the original. Barnabas is an apostle. He performed no miracles and wrote no scripture. Jesus is also called an apostle. There are apostles in the sense of simply being sent. It could be the apostles of anyone who's involved in Christ's ministry back then.

And of course, there are false apostles. So there's no true good, godly, battle-based apostles for today. We'll be right back after these messages. Please stay tuned.

It's Matt Slick Live! Taking your calls at 877 -207 -2276. Here's Matt Slick.

All right, welcome back to the show. If you want to give me a call, it is easy. All you have to do is dial 877 -207 -2276. You can also give me an email. That's easy to do. Just send an email to info at karm .org.

Info at karm .org. And put in a subject line, radio comments or radio question. And there you go. Let's get to Brian from Utah. Brian, welcome. You're on the air.

Contraception, Marriage, and Moral Boundaries

Yeah, hi, Matt. Thanks. I just had a question in regards to your view on the use of contraceptives with, you know, with intimacy between your spouse. Um, and this all kind of came up in my mind. Um, I started doing a little research and the most I can find is that the Catholic Church is pretty, pretty, uh, positive on, on not using them and relying on, uh, you know, the female's menstrual cycle and her infertile days to, to avoid pregnancy.

Whereas it seems like most evangelical churches argue against that and say, hey, look, we can't just assume because there's nowhere in the scripture that says anything against it. Uh, so they, they don't see it as, uh, uh, a problem.

And I was just curious your, your take on it.

If you look into that. Um, a lot of people will say that you said a contraception, contraception is a sin. I don't see that in the scripture saying it's a sin. Um, so there are different reasons to practice it.

For example, uh, I got fixed because the doctor said the next pregnancy of my wife might kill her because of her condition. She has a rare condition. It was getting worse and worse. And so the next one might've killed her.

So it was, you know, she had birth. I went and did what I had to do. Well, that's to, that's to protect and to help. Okay. Then there's conditions, uh, you know, more difficult conditions. What if, uh, you are, uh, in a situation, you and your wife are in a situation where really having a child at the time would not be a good move, would not be a smart move.

It could be that you're on the run from a persecution or something. So there, there's that as well. Now, what if you're just normal, uh, man, a wife and you want to do that? I don't see any problem with it.

I don't see any reason that you're obligated to have a child and that every event between a man and a wife has to be along those lines. So, uh, I don't see it now. Contraception is wrong when it kills a fertilized egg.

Anything like that is wrong. Yeah. So generally speaking, those are the general principles. Okay. Okay.

Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Thanks. I, you know, I, I think where I had some, some hang up was, you know, I kinda, I kind of equated it to, there's not all, there's also not anything in the Bible about say people who decide they want to change their gender.

Um, and, and I guess I don't know where everyone stands, but it seems like a lot of folks in my church and I, I agree as well as, Hey, it's not right because it's not how God designed you. And, and so that's, that's why I, I kind of have the hang up on, on this, this issue.

And it's just been helpful to talk with you as well as a few other people in my church that I, that I trust. So I, I appreciate you, you walking me through it and your thoughts on it.

It's, it's an important thing. And, um, I remember sitting in a car with a seminary student, um, I think it was either right at our senior year or right after, I can't remember. And, uh, he was, you know, I was dropping him off at his house and with his wife and children.

And he said, we were talking about this and he said, there's no reason ever for, uh, for man to, you know, get fixed or a woman to get fixed if you're Christians. And I said, really? And I gave him the situation with my wife and I said, you know, she has a condition and et cetera, et cetera.

And she might die from the next one. And it's to put her, her life in risk. And it really is. What do I do? And he said, I never thought of that. And I said, yeah, yeah, it's okay. It's okay. When there's certain circumstances, it's okay.

And, um, and then certain practices, I've written a lot on sexuality on the website, actually a lot. So all kinds of topics that people don't want to talk about on the air. I wrote, I wrote about, yeah.

Yeah. Well, thanks, Matt. I appreciate it. Okay. Nice to speak with you. You're welcome, man. God bless. Okay. God bless. All right. Well, we have three open lines. If you want to give me a call, it's easy.

877 -207 -2276. Jen from South Carolina. Welcome. You're on the air. Beth, how are you doing? Doing all right. Hanging in there. Busy as all get outs, but you know, that's just me. That's right. I love it for you.

Thanks for all you do. Um, okay. So just, um, so I'm struggling with, um, so I have a work with, I work with a coworker who is a Christian and we were together last week in Reno of all places. Um, but she expressed to me that her father is a Muslim.

And I don't know, like since we were together, it really has been, the Lord is impressed upon my heart to do something for him, either by buying a Bible or just reach out to her and say, Hey, if he would read a Bible, can I read it?

Or can I send him one? And she expressed to me that he doesn't read. He won't read. He won't go to church. And so I'm thinking, of course, I've been praying about this and the Lord impressed upon my heart, just, just maybe write down some scripture, send him a little notebook and then maybe attach a small little King James Bible to it and send it off.

So I just kind of wanted to, and I don't know a lot about, um, Islam. I do know that they have to acknowledge Jesus as a prophet. And I just wondered like, what if you were in my shoes, what you would do?

Well, it's a tough one. If you could talk to him directly and he's open to having a conversation, that's one thing. If he's not open to reading anything, maybe you could offer a switch, a deal. You'll read the Quran if he reads the new Testament, something like that.

Or you can tell him, tell me what to read in the Quran, you know, like how many rough chapters and you see, and I'll have you read this and we'll, let's discuss both. That'd be one option. The thing that I talk about with Muslims more and more now is, um, is the resurrection, is a forgiveness of sins.

Excuse me. They deny that Christ is crucified. Surah 4, 157. They deny that. And so they deny that Jesus Christ is God in flesh, et cetera, and all the stuff about him. He's just, just a prophet and all that.

But at any rate, so I'll say, are your sins forgiven right now? That's the question I ask them because that's what it all comes down to. And I can tell them that my sins are forgiven right now. Now, sometimes they will respond by saying that I'm arrogant.

If I say that the reason anybody would accuse me of arrogance, if I said, all my sins are forgiven right now, the reason they would say that is because they believe that your salvation and forgiveness is based in part on your goodness.

So to say you're saved or to say your sins are forgiven is arrogant because you say you're that good, but then you have to correct them and say, no, no, no, that's not our position. The position is it's by faith in what Christ has done only.

I would say it's arrogant to say that you could please God by your own actions in any way, shape or form. And I'll ask them if you're to die right now and you say, I don't want anything to happen to you, but if you were, where would you go?

And that's what I do with the Muslims now. And they don't have good answers. Oh, if you repent and if you're sincere and I say, oh, you're good enough, you're OK. And you think that, you know, and that's what I'll do with them.

That's one thing. There's another thing I do, but it just depends on the situation and stuff. But I can give you suggestions and you can try ideas and, you know, you could do is just ask questions. Well, I got a question about the Koran and you could I know questions that are tough to answer for Muslims.

Oh, OK. Do you have something on your on your website that maybe you could direct me to?

Karm .org forward slash Islam. And I've written about 150 articles on Islam. Oh, well, there you go. Yeah. Now, if you want the short version of a lot of stuff, it's just Karm .org forward slash cut for cut and paste, just CUT and it'll take you to a page and you can see very, very, very, very summarized version of of information on on Islam.

And it's designed for cut and paste in chat rooms. And there's some things in there you might find useful. And one of the things you can do is I ask Muslims, well, why are you Muslim? What's the reason?

I'll ask them that. I'll say, also, tell me, why is Islam true? And I say, what are the reasons for this? And you'd be surprised the weak answers that they give. It gives you opportunities to speak. And of course, there's stuff you can do.

OK, all right. There's the music. We've got to go. OK, God bless. All right. Thank you. Bye bye. Bye. All right. Hey, folks, we're right back after these messages, please.

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All right, everyone, welcome back to the show. Let's get back on the air with Elijah from Pennsylvania. Elijah, welcome.

You're on, buddy. Hey, Matt, my question today for you is out of Galatians 520. And I would like for you to, if you can, pull it up on your screen, on the Bible Hub, you know, the different translations, because I want to ask you about this.

So I know your favorite translation is NASB. And for the very last word in that verse, it says, factions. OK, so you got you got the NASB 2020, the 1995 and the 1997 version. They all say factions. But you go to New Living Translation and ESV, it says divisions.

And then when you go to King James and New King James, it says heresies. And then when you go to the Amplified Bible, it says factions that promote heresies. So and when I read the Amplified Bible, that reminded me of, you know, people like, you know, Sean Griffin.

They cause divisions through their heresies. So, you know, this verse seems to be teaching that, you know, people like Sean Griffin, they're still in the flesh because they're causing division in the church, you know, you know, through their heresies.

That even applies to Calvinists and Armenians who will snot on each other and cause factions, divisions among the people of God. So, yeah. So the word there in the Greek is is heresies, heresies. We get heresies from it.

It occurs nine times in the New Testament. So it's referring to a sect, S-E-C-T, a sect of the Sadducees. So that would be a division. And that's Acts 5 .17 and Acts 15 .5, a sect of the Pharisees.

And then there's the sect of the Nazarenes in Acts 24 .5. In Acts 24 .14, it says, and according to the way, that's the Christians, which they call a sect. So Sadducees, Pharisees, the Nazarenes, and the Christians are all considered sects, S-E-C-T-S.

And then there, Paul, I mean, it says, he said, I lived as a Pharisee according to the strictest sect of our religion. So we see the word has that meaning in what's called the semantic domain. It has a range of meaning.

In 1 Corinthians 11 .19, for there also must be factions or divisions among you so that the truth can be made known. 1 Corinthians 11, let me get over here. 1 Corinthians 11 .19, I'll see how that is translated to different versions.