Debate Aftershow: Matt Slick vs Matt Adelstein, Does God exist?

Okay, sorry about that. I was just reading something. This is the after show I could take a few minutes or be able to come in. I said I would do it right about now. So after showing a debate I had with the guy named Matt Edelstein and Just listen to some noises outside.

So Nobody Nobody's watching yet, but people said yeah after show so we'll see if people jump in. I went down and had some food. Chicken curry. Oh, man. It was it was good. All right, everybody. We've got nine people watching.

Debate Reactions and Viewer Comments

So if you guys want to participate you can come in here, oh my Stuffy nose if you want to come in and talk you can do that by just Click on the link that's there. By the way, Israel a slide to Egyptians about having rough births to say babies.

You can lie about dinner. What. I don't even lie about dinner to my wife. I don't lie. Hey Kentucky's in the house. This is bro. Josh from Kentucky Calvary's cry international missions ministry. So if anybody wants to add comments in about what they thought about the debate if you watched it what you can say.

Miss most of the show tonight. You didn't really miss much and Let's see. So we have it on a Facebook match look like Facebook. We also have it on going right now on Yeah on YouTube so you guys can watch if you want.

So we'll see if anybody comes in to this area on Yards stream yard we can talk man. That was a long debate and a quick dinner. Yes it was so. Yeah, the issue is blessing them for lying. You know, there's always something got to check out context and stuff but You know as I said to him, you know, if I were to lie does that mean Christianity is not true.

Does it mean it's not true or does it mean that I don't have the capability of knowing how to answer properly? Okay. Or to keep up with his hundred. Yeah, that's true. 100 mile-per-hour rebuttals. He didn't he didn't.

He didn't do as well. He thought he did. I know this is irrelevant, but why you did lie.

If you did lie, it would make you an inconsistent Christian. Inconsistent with your Christian profession. But it wouldn't false, but it wouldn't falsify Christianity. That's right. He missed that.

Yeah, that's right. That's right. You're right sugar beets. He did fail and to answer a lot of the stuff that I said, he misrepresented me a lot of things, too. You think oh Yeah. Made to be very frustrating.

Explain why Andrew or guys keep guys want, you know, you can come in here and in this room and talk if people want to.

Cough. You mentioned you might have another debate tonight well. Was that speaking of tonight or another night? What. I didn't hear. What. The first thing you said I was coffee one. You were speaking of having another debate.

What did you mean tonight?

Someone want me to come in another room and they're having a discussion on science and Evolution, so I would do this for a little bit and maybe go into that a little bit later. I don't know I'm really trying to make a point that Lying means that Christianity's position is false.

What I thought was it which doesn't mean it just only thing would we would demonstrate is that I don't have the right answers in All situations, that's all. But I Liked what he said that I Could kick out of it when I was getting absurd By say let's look at each day yet I said Let me get this straight.

So let's just see who's big absurd here and I got a kick out of that. That was funny. I'm the one being absurd, but he's inventing Terrorists who kidnap me while I'm on my way to Melodyl Hauntie's house and I have to say with sincerity a certain tone a certain verse that the so that people's faces aren't burned off and yet.

The Force of a Lie and Christian Inconsistency

Yeah. When he said that the one lie would include a smaller degree of wrongness. I'm glad I was on because I started laughing. And Then and then the the other idea he said well and you don't get caught to imply getting caught.

Betrays the fact that you know, it's wrong already. Yeah. Some of the things he said committed suicide as soon as they left his lips. But he's a youngster. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, he made some mistakes, but I Hope God gets a hold of him because this guy he could do some damage of the faith because he's smart enough Articulate enough to twist things enough.

He's got enough bumper stickers and slogans in front of him to read off of but I'm not sure about the rest. There's some more critical things. I observed that I'm not going to mention without him here, you know.

That wouldn't be fair. But Yeah, it was rather shallow.

Audience Feedback on the Debate and the Atheist's Arguments

Yeah. Well, let's see some people are saying some things here, let's see. Worst case scenario game. I don't even think it would make you an inconsistent Christian as long as normal. Somebody I saw the debate most of it.

The guy does not listen to your questions. Yeah. He kept saying he didn't answer the questions when you did and he spoke over you and wouldn't shut up and let you speak. He wanted you to answer the questions with only his answer.

No other answers. Is there a chat and live video running on Facebook to should be on the match slick Facebook page. So there's that rate comma thing is plausible, yeah, it is and probably has happened the terrorists is much more absurd.

It's a I just say a certain sentence. It's like what it was ridiculous. Oh man. Yeah, he couldn't justify his position. You don't have I've noticed I've talked to a Lot of atheists has happened to and also with Eastern Orthodox and also with Roman Catholics their worldview.

It's a picture their worldview as a road and their principles Are the foundation of the road and the more principles you have the better foundation the more further you can go. And what I've noticed is that with atheism like this guy tonight You only go so far down the road his road.

And I'm down at the end of his road passing the end of his road saying come on let's go and they can't go any further. So they are forced To interpret things in light of that dead end and they just go in circles and this is what was happening with him.

It's happened with more with Mormons Job's Witnesses Catholics, etc so anyway, um Right come with things plausible. That's right. You have to read fast to give it with this particular prompter I had to leave he was using God's name in vain.

I know and I didn't like that and I almost said please don't do that, but Anyway, my eight-year-old daughter watches. We sometimes he lost my respect. Yeah, if lying to preserve life, then God forgives right have lied midwives lied Corrie ten booms family lied Just preserve her life, but it doesn't mean that Christianity's not true.

He really was absurd with that atheist. Yeah, he was agreed man. Hopefully he thinks about this debate and God brings me the faith. Yeah, that's correct. So That's pretty bad. Anybody got any comments or other questions, I guess not there may be a delay remember they're not in here with us.

I Know sugar beets. That's right. Most of the terrorists hypothetical started Becoming more absurd when he was saying sincerity is required. It was like could you measure sincerity? I'd I Gotta be sincere and now I just say to a certain tone.

Okay, five decibel. Just I keep finding a ways around his thing. Let's narrow it even further.

Doesn't a lie by nature contain an insincerity? I mean good grief.

Well, that's another thing. What if I was saying it in such a way where my intention was not to deceive my wife. But it's being forced and if I'm being forced am I really the one lying? That's another issue.

Don't have any debates with an atheist right now set up. I do have in a couple of weeks a debate on limited atonement with Sam Shimon.

Is he sliding toward Eastern historian ISM and not claiming? It's an historian ISM. I don't know. I don't know. That's that's my that's my son's observation on him. Yeah, I don't know what's going on.

Yeah in the Roman direction, but more toward the.

Defining a Lie, Coercion, and Moral Responsibility

Junk junk says. How could he not see the self-defeating argument making statements that all definitions are arbitrary. Well, I started talking. I just started. I'll use my definitions then I try to help him out.

No, it's a state within a certain context that we're talking and agreed on things. But that doesn't mean that laws of logic are agreed upon problems. Oh Well, thanks for helping out though. That was really good.

You put the phone on the camera like that. That was good.

I downloaded the app and there it was so I figured I'd use it. Yeah.

Yeah, he does not know the Christian doctrine of God. Try to point out you can't say God changes. That's not our God. That's not our position. I'm not gonna argue that you know. Didn't get how you're trying to catch you with the lie challenge if you told the truth and millions of people died.

That doesn't make you evil. It's just people killing who are evil. Yeah. Yeah, well here's another thing. Are you culpable. Are you responsible for something if you're forced to do it. And I didn't bring this up.

I should have but if you're forced into a lie You're not the one you're not lying. And so if I'm if I hold a gun to your head and say You know rob that bank and you rob that bank or whatever online you do something and I force you to it.

And then you're you know, you're not the one responsible you're being forced so then there's another issue of well. If that's the case, then am I the one responsible if I am forced to do it in order to save people?

Because if I'm forced that I'm not one responsible and how could it be then be held to my account? How's it really a lie?

That's right. You've become a tool of the one carrying out the app. Just like we have children and before we ever have them. We know they're gonna tell a lie. Sometime in their life, but we're not responsible for the lie.

They pick up if they pick up a stick and poke somebody in the eye. It's not you know that we didn't know they could do that. It's that they did that. So they're an agent of their own. You can't blame me that my kid went wrong, right?

Yeah. But we love kids. Anyway, huh? Isn't that godly? That's true. Well, he was trying to show the inconsistency of my moral position but Here's there's lots of ways to look at it. If he were to say my position was inconsistent Well, then his position is inconsistent because his position Can be used very easily to demonstrate that rape is okay.

So I wanted to ask this Matt believe the universe came from nothing. Oh, that's a whole nother thing I didn't ask that don't know what he believes but the multiverse idea that just Refutes. I love the multiverse.

How many universes an infinite number? Okay, then Christianity is true. No, it's not. Yes. It is because in that infinite number of universes that means one in one of them the true living Christian God is the one who by definition is transcended over all other universes.

So therefore you're supporting Christianity. He couldn't handle that one. Maximally well-building and what qualifies it as maximally well-being. What is that? This is all the atheists have it's Varying degrees of the argument.

Well, whatever makes you happy. That's what it comes down to.

I'm I'm praying he'll go back and look at some of the things he presented and it won't be satisfactory in his heart just to rest on those things because they are pretty shallow and like you say they are they're dead ends and I'm not satisfied when I come to a dead end.

I want to go beyond it. So right hopefully he will too. Like I say, he's a young guy, so.

There's room for him to mature and grow. The other is so white. White have figured when I said that about the multiverse you said you punched the air. Did you understand what I was going to say. Or once it I said it then you got it.

Nice rolled in my favor. That's a moral objective standpoint. Yeah. Well kind of slow, huh? That's all right. I forgot how he he wanted to bait me. He knows about me. More and more people are asking me for debates now.

Why would he? Why would he have such faith in nuclear devastation that he cannot see. Yeah. How do you think? Yeah, I don't know. I forgot. He was a young Ben Shapiro the way he talked. Yeah.

With the exception of Ben Shapiro being a very ethical Jew. That's right.

Wrapping Up the Aftershow and Moving to the Next Invite

Well, okay, get able to call it then that's okay. Slow show and no big deal. I checked out the YouTube channel. He's very much typing trying to prove God doesn't exist. I haven't watched any of the other videos.

Okay? Alright, buddy. I'm gonna take off and go to the other Invite I had and see how that works. You guys want. I don't know where it is. I just was.

Yeah, anyway, no big deal. Well the will your invite to make it a public thing that we can observe.

I don't know. I'll tell you what I'll do if I can get the information. I'll put it on. I'll put on a karma .org Facebook. How's that?

Okay, I'll look there for the next little bit then. Okay.

All right, buddy. Close this down. I'm gonna move over talk to you guys later. She reads. Take care you guys.