January 7, 2019 Show with Dr. Joel R. Beeke on “Reformed Preaching: Proclaiming God’s Word From the Heart of the Preacher to the Heart of the People”

Live from the historic parsonage of 19th century gospel minister George Norcross in downtown

Carlisle, Pennsylvania, it's Iron Sharpens Iron, a radio

platform on which pastors, Christian scholars and theologians address the burning issues

facing the church and the world today.

Proverbs 27 verse 17 tells us iron sharpens iron so one

man sharpens another.

Matthew Henry said that in this passage, quote, we are cautioned to take heed whom we

converse with and directed to have in view in conversation to make one another

wiser and better.

It is our hope that this goal will be accomplished over the next hour and we hope to hear

from you, the listener, with your own questions.

Now here's our host, Chris Arnzen.

Good afternoon, Cumberland County, Pennsylvania, Lake City, Florida and the rest of humanity living on the

planet earth who are listening via live streaming at ironsharpensironradio .com.

This is Chris Arnzen, your host of Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, wishing you all a happy Monday on the seventh day

of January 2019.

This is actually, if I'm not mistaken, the first live broadcast of the new

year.

I could be wrong about that.

I've had a lot of activity going on but it is certainly one that I am thrilled about

because one of my favorite preachers, teachers, authors and radio guests has returned

to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Dr. Joel Arbeeky today and before I formally

introduce him, I want to just give a praise report about the Iron

Sharpens Iron Radio pastor's luncheon that we had this past Thursday

at the Carlisle Fire and Rescue Banquet Hall in Carlisle, Pennsylvania.

It was a phenomenal success by every way you could determine

success for an

apologetics and Islam at Toronto Baptist Seminary was our keynote speaker and

we had once again nearly a hundred men in attendance at this pastor's luncheon.

The food was absolutely free of charge, compliments of our friends at Firehouse

Subs of Carlisle, Pennsylvania again and we had thousands of

free books that we were giving away for free that I selected from numerous

publishers all over the United States and the United Kingdom who donated a hundred copies of

each of these titles that I selected so that every man could leave with a copy and in fact some of those

books arrived late so when we have our spring edition of

the Iron Sharpens Iron Radio pastor's luncheon, God willing, there will be even more books

there because some of them arrived on the day of the event and we could not give them out on Thursday

but I just want to thank everyone who was involved in it.

I want to thank all of the pastors who came.

I of course want to thank Dr. Tony Costa speaking.

I want to thank my dear friend Pastor George Jensen of the Enola First

Church of God in Enola, Pennsylvania who was an enormous help and who also hosted a conference

following the luncheon featuring Dr. Costa that had rave reviews

by all who attended and I want to thank of course our friends at

BatteryDepot .com, LinbrookBaptist .org and also

our friends who published the New American Standard Bible who sponsored this event, this

Iron Sharpens Iron Radio pastor's luncheon, and perhaps I'll be giving you more details

in the days ahead about this but I am just thanking God so much

more than I can describe in the English language for this wonderful event and it is keeping an event that my

precious late wife Julie came up with.

It was all her idea in the 1990s to treat men in ministry to a free luncheon because she

knew being in Christian radio that the majority of my friends actually are

pastors.

I have an unusual circle of friends.

Not everyone could say that most of their friends are pastors.

Most of my friends are pastors because I've been involved in Christian radio most of my adult life so my wife said

let's treat these men to a Christmas luncheon and this tradition

kept going until she went home to glory with Christ for eternity and I

relaunched her luncheons after relaunching my radio show in 2015 here

in Carlisle, Pennsylvania when I moved from New York to Carlisle and every

luncheon has been a wonderful event that people continue to rave about so thank

you my precious Lord, God, Savior, and King for blessing this event.

Well as I said our guest today is Dr. Joel Arbeekie and he is probably not a

stranger to most of our listeners but since we have new listeners joining the audience of Iron Sharpens Iron Radio

every day he may be new to some of our listeners especially if they are outside of the Reformed faith and we do

have many who are not even Christians let alone Reformed but Dr. Arbeekie is an author.

He is also a professor and the founder at Puritan Reformed Theological Seminary in Grand Rapids,

Michigan and today we are going to address one of his books Reformed Preaching

Proclaiming God's Word From the Heart of the Preacher to the Heart of the People and it's

my honor, privilege, and joy to welcome you back to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio Dr. Joel

Arbeekie.

Good to be here Chris.

And I want to urge everyone if you ever see an advertisement somewhere

either on this show or you see it on the internet or you receive it in the mail a

notice about Dr. Arbeekie preaching anywhere I would strongly urge you to take

a plane train automobile helicopter boat or whatever you need to do to get to hear him

preach because he is truly one of my very favorite preachers of all time and he is an extraordinary

man of God a brilliant man of God very biblically literate and his

preaching and teaching is just oozing with God -breathed truth from the holy scriptures

and I look forward to every opportunity I have personally to hear him preach and teach.

He preached at the church where I was a member on Long Island before moving here Grace Reformed Baptist Church of

Long Island in Merrick, New York and I have heard him preach on a number of occasions at other places but

Dr. Arbeekie before we get into your book and before we even get into other projects you're working on

that we want to start having our listeners informed about.

I want to have you for those of you who don't know who you are to let them know about Puritan Reformed Theological

Seminary in Grand.

Rapids

Michigan.

Okay Chris well yes.

Puritan Reformed Seminary 220th

degree for the

regular

THM already have their MDiv about two years ago

which we do in biblical studies and historical studies

and a few percent

come from normed in their theology

and the academic in

terms of informing the mind but academics

and praise God.

And if anybody wants more details about.

A Puritan Reformed Theological Seminary in Grand Rapids Michigan you can

contact them or you can look up their website which is prts

.edu.

Is that am I correct on that.

That's correct.

Prts .edu.

Well before we go into as I said the heart of our program today that the topic that we are going

to be primarily addressing reforms preaching tell our listeners about some other projects that are you

are working on that are very important to you.

Well the most important.

Anyway is um four

volumes

working on with me so he's co -authoring it with me uh Paul Smalley.

And what it does in

each

chapter

or

doctrine

pro and the

con.

And then we

look from this doctrine

how do you

for your spiritual gain.

And it's going to be written.

Or it is written the educated layman

teacher and that type of thing.

So it's got a wide target audience.

And it does address all the current issues of the day.

And uh it's a it's a traditional

reform systematic theology made contemporary.

Great.

And uh so

was that all you wanted to mention as far as the new projects.

Or should we move on to the reform preaching.

Well i've just come out with some books.

I might mention those a quick minute.

Um sure.

I just published a book with a christian focus called knowing and growing in assurance of faith.

I did my dissertation topic on that 30 some years ago.

Yes i.

Remember that in fact i got a copy of your dissertation years ago from peter lang publishing.

That's right it was a phenomenal book and then it was later uh republished in a more

popular form i.

Believe.

Yes yes.

By banner truth trust.

So what christian focus asked me to do is to take my studies

three decades

pain and

death related to

spear

long usain

king

reprinting

was the

father puritanism.

And we just came out with a volume that i edited

within 10 volumes.

And this one is the of

what perkins

is known and

here he in this

nation so

popular chris old john

calvin's

work

perkins.

We have a little

biography we've

published about

a year ago about it but we're

doing

something

about

his teaching.

And

then

two other

things just

come out

with a book for children puritans

are in the conclusion

about 10 today and this is really for

the whole family.

And then the last

thing i'm

really

met by

piety by

mcgraw mark

jones.

So all of these books are

available from

heritagebooks .org.

Great.

And i also want to uh announce our email address if.

Anybody would like to join us on the air with a question of your own.

Our email address is chris arnzen at gmail .com.

Chris arnzen at gmail .com.

That's c -h -r -i -s -a -r -n -z -e -n at gmail .com.

Please give us your first name at least your city and state of residence your country of residence if outside

the usa.

Please only remain anonymous if your question involves a personal and private matter let's say you are

a member of a church and you disagree with the theology there.

We would not want you obviously to identify the name of the church.

Maybe you're a pastor and you disagree with the theology of your own denomination.

There could be a number of reasons why you would want to remain anonymous and we will permit that.

But please only request to remain anonymous as i said if it's a personal and private matter that you

want to ask about.

And that's chris arnzen at gmail .com.

One of the reasons i love the title of this book dr beeky

especially the subtitle is that it seems to militate against

not only hyper calvinism which does exist but it does also

militate against the stereotypes that reform that non -reformed

christians have about calvinistic or reformed preaching proclaiming

god's word from the heart of the preacher to the heart of the people as you probably know dr beeky

sadly there is a stereotype and on occasion it is a it is an

earned stereotype uh that reformed preachers

are emotionless passionless stoic.

Uh they are professorial.

They do not have their heart beating with passion for the lost or for even the doctrines that they're

teaching.

Uh it has been often said that our preachers are

only lecturers and there's nothing wrong with lecturing when it's appropriate.

But i'm assuming you would agree with me that that these are stereotypes about the

preaching of reformed pastors.

And unfortunately sometimes that stereotype is true because there are those among us

that perpetuate that uh view of our preaching because that's exactly what some of

our men are doing.

But uh but our arminian and non -reformed friends would be sadly and tragically mistaken

if they think that all reformed preaching and preachers are stale and lifeless and

passionless in their preaching.

But please explain in your own words the title of the your book.

Especially the subtitle.

Yes well to the heart of his people.

And what i'm trying to do is simply look

at experiential preaching and

to separate the believer from the non -believer in preaching

god's word faithfully.

But even more importantly the whole man

is ministered to in preaching head heart and hands.

And the idea is that you inform the mind you then

penetrate the heart goes

out and feels compelled to do.

That was the old way of reformed preaching.

In fact all the way from the 16th century to the mid 19th century

all reformed preachers preached to the heart.

They it's been a recent phenomenon that

uh some reform.

So in my seminary what i do if i have a class i

teach first of all on uh preaching and delivery

he said actually with dr david murray.

And then our second class experiential preaching

which i talk about how can a preacher reach the heart.

And that's what i'm doing in this book.

In fact this book is a simplified digest of that of that.

And so in the book i'm really doing three things.

I'm first explaining what experiential preaching is for

examples or so exactly the first to

dr martin lloyd jones in the 20th century showing how they all have preached experientially in

different ways.

I might focus on say preaching repentance with one and preaching christ with another.

And but how do you preach other

doctrines how they did it.

And then the third we cross the bridge and do

that as ministers today by the grace.

Of the holy spirit praise god.

Well uh one of the things let me ask you about this because it is something that i have

heard from that uh group among us reformed

preachers that although they might not describe their preaching as passionless

uh they get concerned they get upset.

They want to distance themselves from uh

passionate preaching.

Uh a pastor who is filled with emotion because he is truly heartbroken for the lost

and he is truly in love with the doctrines that he is preaching.

That because they think that uh emotion that is

dominant in a sermon is going to perhaps manipulate

the minds and emotions of the listener where you will have unregenerate people giving

responses to the message that wither away within not only uh days

weeks months or years but sometimes hours.

And they they just want to distance themselves from that passionate preaching.

And what is your response to men like that that speak like that.

Well whenever you have people.

Approach you with objections to things the first thing to do is to say yes there is some there's

some wisdom in that.

And there are preachers who have and shout

and yell and do all kinds of other things.

In preaching who don't have biblical content puritans were

saying is something far different and i would say to that individual i would say it's

common sense isn't it that preaching should relate to the whole

reformers and puritans did.

Is they first appealed to your intellect in front of you based on

and then they appeal to your conscience and to your heart.

And then they appeal to and do this

sermon how will you go out live so again ministering to the whole

man in good sermons.

They're not full because sometimes you're just communicating

historical material at the beginning or you're you're setting forth a doctrine so

then you speak.

About the way i'm speaking right now right.

Like if and if and um i know that they don't call them stewardesses anymore.

A flight attendant.

If a flight attendant is passionately telling you about the

uh escape exits and all these kinds of things you might be fearful wrongly that you are in in

jeopardy of dying or something that the plane has something wrong with it.

But when she when there is no need to fear she is just calmly instructing you about these exits

and safety precautions and so on.

But when the urgency is needed of course there might be a different level of energy involved.

But uh right.

And if somebody is screaming everything they're saying the parts that are important are going to be missed.

Am i.

Right.

That's right.

That's right.

Let.

Me give you an example i'm just going to try to do something off the top of my head.

I don't know if this works over radio because you can't see me.

But here's a reformed preacher and he's going to speak for

a couple minutes now in his sermon about some reference to the intercession of christ at the father's right hand.

So he would say something like this you know our congregation this is a this is a wonderful doctrine.

Pray.

And to have him praying for us is is

a really encouraging thing.

Now he's praying for us continually.

He's praying for us in a way that all of what

i just said is true.

Absorb it because that's an amazing thing.

That she's quite different trend of

the intercession of

christ is so precious to the believer.

I hope you know something and you feel you're helpless.

And you fly by faith to the intercessory work of the lord jesus christ and

you see that he is interceding for you moment by moment according to the word of god.

What a comfort this can bring.

You never need to despair.

There is comfort in this comfort in a mega way.

For for each and every one of you who trust in the intercession of christ he will never fail

for you at the father's right.

Trust him my friend.

You see now you're speaking not just with more passion but you're touching the the

heart and and that's a good thing.

We're made up of mind

and soul is moved by affections

just to move their affections.

You move their affections by truth truth.

That is you're using all kinds of tones of voices all kinds of a

writer preacher historical to you about intercession of christ.

So it

shows them

experiential where the more heart parts are of the service.

Now would this be something that would be under the category of homiletics rather than hermeneutics.

Correct because the art of pre

-systematic theology in

the old and new testament.

Departments how do you hardly that teach those courses.

Well we are going to our first station break right now.

And if.

Anybody would like to join us on the air with a question of your own for dr beeky.

Our email address is chris arnzen at gmail .com.

That's c -h -r -i -s -a -r -n -z -e -n at gmail .com.

Please give us as always at least your first name your city and state of residence and your country of

residence.

If you live outside the usa please only remain anonymous if your question involves personal private matter.

That's chris arnzen at gmail .com.

Chris arnzen at gmail .com.

Don't go away we will be right back god willing with dr joel beeky and more of our discussion on reformed preaching.

Proclaiming god's word from the heart of the preacher to the heart of the people.

Hi

phil.

Johnson here.

I'm executive director of john macarthur's media ministry grace to you and i'm also an occasional guest

on iron sharpens iron radio so i'm delighted that my friend chris arnzen and i will be heading

down to atlanta for the g3 conference where i'll be joining james white steve lawson

vody balcom mark dever conrad and bayway todd friel josh bice and a host of

other speakers to address the topic a biblical understanding of missions.

Chris arnzen and i hope to see you all at this very important conference from january 17th

through the 19th.

Make sure you stop by the iron sharpens iron exhibitors booth to say hi to chris.

For more details go to g3 conference .com.

That's g3 conference .com.

See you there.

Charles heddon spurgeon once said give yourself unto reading.

The man who never reads will never be read.

He who never quotes will never be quoted.

He will not use the thoughts of other men's brains proves he has no brains of his own.

You need to read.

Solid ground christian books is a publisher.

And book distributor who takes these words of the prince of preachers to heart.

The mission of solid ground christian books is to bring back treasures of the past to minister to christians in the present and

future and to publish new titles that address burning issues in the church and the world.

Since its beginning in 2001 solid ground has been committed to publish god -centered christ exalting

books for all ages.

We invite you to go treasure hunting at solid -ground -books .com that's solid

-ground -books .com and see what priceless literary gems from the past or present you

can unearth from solid ground.

Solid ground christian books is honored to be a weekly sponsor.

Of iron sharpens iron radio.

James white of alpha omega ministries here if you've watched my dividing.

Line webcast often enough.

You know i have a great love for getting bibles and other documents vital to my ministry rebound to

preserve and ensure their longevity.

And besides that they feel so good.

I'm so delighted i discovered post tenebrous lux bible rebinding.

No radio ad will be long enough to sing their praises sufficiently but i'll give it a shot.

Jeffrey rice of post tenebrous lux is a remarkably gifted craftsman and artisan.

All his work is done by hand from the cutting to the pleating of corners to the perimeter stitching.

Jeffrey uses the finest and buttery soft imported leathers in a wide variety of gorgeous colors like

the turquoise goat skin tanned in italy used for my nestle all in 28th edition with a navy

blue goat skin inside liner and the electric blue goat skin from a french tannery used to rebind a

reformation study bible i used as a gift.

The silver gilding he added on the page edges has a stunning mirror finish resembling highly polished

chrome.

Jeffrey will customize your rebinding to your specifications and even emboss your logo into the leather

making whatever he rebinds a one -of -a -kind work of art.

For more details on post tenebrous lux bible rebinding go to ptl bible

rebinding .com.

That's ptl bible rebinding .com.

Hi.

I'm stephan lindblad assistant professor of systematic theology at irbs theological

seminary in mansfield texas.

I accepted this call to teach at the seminary because i'm firmly convinced that the people of

god in the churches of our lord jesus christ need to be firmly grounded in the truth

of holy scripture.

I'm excited to be teaching such subjects as the nature of theology and the of scripture

and even the doctrine of the person and work of jesus christ.

Our churches and our people need to be well grounded in these truths.

Indeed future ministers of the gospel need to understand these truths in order to proclaim them

to all of god's people.

If you want to learn more about our program visit us online at irbs seminary .org.

I'm dr gary kimbrough pastor.

Bethlehem baptist church in laurel mississippi.

God tells us in james 127 that pure and undefiled religion is a visit to fatherless and widows and their affliction

in the providence of god.

Three years ago i discovered a poor small church outside lusaka zambia in a township called kabanana who

are taking care of 24 orphans.

I found them just at the time when they had lost all their funding.

What was i to do.

Could i just say god bless you and walk away.

The situation of the children said heavily upon me.

As i was praying concerning this need it came to me i trust from the lord to tell the orphans plight to a broader audience.

The entire need for their clothing food education and some medical services is 73 per month per child.

If just 50 of us would give 35 a month we could meet the need.

Bethlehem baptist church will pay the fee to get the funds there so if you give a dollar a dollar we'll get to the orphans.

In this season of hope and giving will you consider giving hope to 24 orphans.

Please send your gift of any amount to bethlehem baptist church 838 reed road laurel mississippi

39443 or donate through our website bbclaurel .com again

the address is bethlehem baptist church 838 reed road laurel mississippi

39443 or bbclaurel .com.

Thank you.

Welcome back.

This is chris arnzen if you just tuned us in.

Our guest today is dr joel who will be with us for the entire program and he

is an author he is a professor and he is the founder of puritan reform theological seminary

in grand rapids michigan.

And we are addressing today reformed preaching proclaiming god's word from the heart of the

preacher to the heart of the people.

If you have questions of your own feel free to email us at chris arnzen at gmail .com.

Chris arnzen at gmail .com.

And i did get uh an email uh from one of your authors with

reformation heritage books.

Uh dr beeky.

Uh bill book.

Bookestein.

I believe it's pronounced.

You may know of a better.

Yes did i pronounce it.

Pronounce it correctly.

Uh.

Bookestein.

Bookestein.

Okay.

And he uh wanted to to have us highlight for just a brief moment the

coloring book that you have published through reformation heritage books.

If you could speak on that for.

A moment.

Okay.

Yes.

Yes.

Bill is a urc pastor and he has a

recent coloring book for children to color their way through

an idea and

the children color

and then there's a little about

that individual so have a little

basic.

By the way bill has also done a

very good book on eschatology that is the doc

um heaven hell death judgment

you know are you pre or are

post.

Think that book is coming out in about two hours

to really get a handle.

Great.

Yes i've had.

The privilege of uh meeting um brother bill on several occasions

and i've had him on this program on a number of occasions as well and it's typically on a historical

figure from church history and even more specifically somebody that has been long forgotten

unfortunately that he brings back to the consciences of uh 21st century

christians.

But uh looking forward to getting bill back on the program perhaps to address one of those books that you just mentioned.

Uh going back to our theme reformed preaching proclaiming god's word from the heart of the preacher

to the heart of the people.

Uh i i have some things that have uh rose up in my mind about

uh some of the major problems in preaching today.

But if you could uh before i go on with any of my own thoughts on this what do you think are

the the greatest.

Uh problems.

You might even go to the extent of saying sins when it comes to failures of men in the pulpit

and failures of men behind microphones and television cameras who are preaching and

teaching.

Uh that are not only uh unfortunately growing in popularity outside of

the reformed faith but even within if you could mention some.

Of those things i need to mention

uh here and just pick out a few of them

not preaching the scriptures.

Not next even in this subject area i'm talking about reformed experiential preaching.

There are men working

on that particular.

That's a

travesty.

So no

kind of preaching that

you you've got a huge problem because then you just

one of the problems

without warning a number of preachers today are preaching

things like this in their sermon.

If there's anyone here that doesn't know the lord then they preach the gospel for a minute.

But the problem is they give the hearers the feeling.

Well maybe there's some really notable sinner here.

I wonder who that could be.

Certainly can't be me.

Can't be more than one or two people in the church that are unsaved whereas our forefathers always

preached to the saved and to the lost a little bit more to the saved of course

comforting guide and mature the people of god but they always preach evangelistically.

Adults who think they're saved who aren't.

Um or people who are seriously backsliding or or children that aren't saved.

Or teenagers that aren't saved.

So that that's a problem.

And then of course the problem we've been talking about not preaching to the heart

is

not brought.

And then lastly let me mention this we've got the huge problem today of

people going to church just to be

convicted you know a good sermon.

A good sermon will usually exhort us in some area of our lives as well as encourage.

I feel like i've been in the presence of god and i've been exhorted and encouraged

that is encouraging to.

You don't go to church also areas that you

need to work at with the grace of the holy.

So the whole idea of a health and wealth gospel that

themselves and if and

you just deal you're

not being

a faithful preacher to the gospel.

We need to preach in such a way that people by the grace of god leave the

church hating sin loving christ and pursuing.

Amen.

And um to uh segue into something that is probably

more the problem amongst some in the reformed faith and

also our brethren who are known as fundamentalists because it's certainly not the

mainstream problem or at least the the most significant main problem in mainstream christianity

today.

But there are those perhaps a minority amongst us who are reformed and those who are fundamentalists

who preach in the reverse of what you said they have nothing to

say other than frightening warnings of condemnation.

They scold those who listen to them preach and they

are their.

Their messages are filled with nothing but the frightening descriptions

of the torments of hell and the warnings about it.

But are they're joyless.

They're hopeless.

They're graceless.

And that is something that must be avoided too even if it is a minority of a problem.

In the minority today don't you believe that.

Of course of course.

And uh thank you for bringing it up because that just illustrates my my overall point.

And you just have one

where

you need to preach

serious solemn warning sermons to your flock and you better be faithful in

your bible exposition that's by no means

the majority of scripture so you have to just be faithful to the word.

You people should be able to walk out of your sermon.

He opened that up from

both for my mind and my soul as well as for my practical daily life.

Excellent.

Well we have a listener.

In eastern suffolk county.

Ronald uh who asks.

I know that this has been brought up many times on iron trap and zion radio but i haven't heard specifically

dr beeky address it so i want to ask it again.

I am very seriously concerned about the dominance of topical

preaching in pulpits and storytelling rather than exegetical and

expository preaching.

Does dr beeky believe that expository preaching is the more faithful model which

in my opinion not only forces us to cover much greater ground in the scripture but it also

is a tool of god to prevent us from hobby.

Horsing on our favorite issues

complex question i give exactly the answer that

faulty

preaching today and story

to then revert to a position where the only way to preach

through a bible book there's.

It's only the last 50 years that there have been

preachers that said that's the only way to do it.

I mean certainly there were certain preachers like calvin in particular or chrysostom or who would

often preach through bible books.

But my favorite way personally is to.

But it's also good thing from time to time.

And i'll explain why in our dutch tradition

for the heidelberg catechism.

Because it summarizes on lord's day 18.

It's all about the ascension of christ.

Now you can preach through many bible books.

You can have a ministry for 20 years in a place

preach about the ascension of christ.

The ascension of christ is a tremendous doctrine that that really gives a lot of comfort

to the people of god.

But once every

other year your people will hear a sermon on that very rich doctrine.

Now how do you preach it.

However.

That's the key.

Well you take a particular on that doctrine.

You take three and you preach them.

But you give an overall view of that of that doctrine again gleaned directly from the scriptures.

And that must not be thrown at

get away from scripture.

Good topical preaching tethers you to scripture.

And it brings you

legitimate.

But you can also do

expository preaching through good topical.

Well thank you ronald for the excellent question.

Please make sure you give us your full mailing address in eastern suffolk county long island new york because thanks to

our generous friends at crossway books you have received a free or you will receive a free copy of

reformed preaching proclaiming god's word from the heart of the preacher to the heart of the people.

We have rj in white plains new york.

And rj says i remember at a banner of truth conference you gave

wonderful lectures on what we should maintain in our preaching

from the puritans example and also what we should avoid from the

puritans example.

Things that they did typically that you found problematic.

If you could just for the sake of our listeners who missed this

conference just give us a few examples of this.

Obviously because of the time restraints today.

Yes well on the positive side i think one of the things that the puritans did that we

need to emulate is they have what's called uses.

Uses.

And what they meant by that was how do you use this truth.

I've just expounded.

And that point is

a model for us.

They are far far better at it than

also of god.

They feared god more than they feared men.

And they feared the smiles of god and the frowns of god more than the smiles and frowns of

men.

And we need to get back to that word of god.

They were also tremendous wrestlers in prayer for their preaching and they would go.

What i said in that lecture is problematic today.

The puritans office you did for a couple pages and

then they would gather

a preaching.

And i think today go preaching in a

catechetical way straight through a bible book and let for

itself um in and gather your theme and your

major points on each text.

The other thing that the puritans did that doesn't work today

is

that so

children could follow a sermon two sub

points and two sub points under the sub points of the

two main points and two sub sub sub points and maybe to five levels.

Today people can't follow that they don't know where you're at anymore.

A fault of the puritans for their own day just a

day when they just try to imitate the puritans because can't get

far beyond sub points have three main points in a sermon.

Maybe 0 .1 you have five to four maybe 0 .3 you just

have a two.

Probably those 10 sub points

isn't enough for one sermon

following their ways.

Great.

I'm going to

ask you.

A question uh by cj in lindenhurst long island new york.

And then have you answer it when we come back from the break to give you time to think about it.

Uh by the way uh ladies and gentlemen brothers and sisters this is our elongated break that we air

in the middle of our two major segments of iron trip and zine radio because grace life radio 90

.1 fm in lake city florida requires of us a longer break in the middle of our show

because they air local commercials and public service announcements in order to

localize iron trip and zine radio to the lake city florida area.

So please be patient as we take this elongated break and use this time not only to write your own

questions for dr joel beeky but also to write down the information provided by

our advertisers so that you can more successfully and more frequently patronize them.

Because we rely on our advertisers financial support in order to

remain in existence.

So the more that you patronize our advertisers the more likely we are going to remain on the air for a

longer period of time.

But the question that i have for you dr beeky oh and by the way i forgot to mention to rj in white

plains new york please give us your mailing address as well because we have a free copy of

reform preaching proclaiming god's word from the heart of the preacher to the heart of the people.

Compliments of our friends at crossway.

And also compliments of our friends at cumberland valley bible book service cvbbs .com who actually will be

shipping that book out to you at no charge to you or to us.

But um the question that we have from cj in lindenhurst long island new york

is i have been blessed by hearing preachers including yourself

from the heritage reformed congregations.

And i've noticed a tradition among you where you will sing at least one hymn in the middle

of a sermon.

I have never witnessed or heard this in any other context other than the

preachers of the heritage reform churches.

I was wondering why you do this.

And and we'll take dr beeky's answer to this when we come back from our break.

And by the way dr beeky i don't know if you know this but i happen to be at the matthews

orthodox presbyterian church in north carolina a number of years ago and they did that very thing.

And when i asked the pastor afterwards uh if he had uh borrowed that

tradition from dr joel beeky he said absolutely so

okay i'll explain it.

I'll explain it okay.

And uh so if anybody would like to join us on the air our email address is chris arnson at gmail .com chris arnson at

gmail .com.

And as always give us your first name city and state and country of residence don't go away we'll be right

back after.

These messages from our sponsors.

James white here co -founder of alvin omega ministries.

An occasional.

Guest on iron sharpens iron radio.

I'm so delighted my friend chris arnson will be heading down to atlanta for the next g3 conference.

From january 17th to the 19th 2019 we'll all be joining a very impressive lineup of speakers

on the theme a biblical understanding of missions.

Speakers include john piper steve lawson vody baucom mark dever conrad mobewe

phil johnson josh vice yours truly and many more.

I hope you all join chris and me for this phenomenal event.

For more details go to.

G3 conference .com that's g3 conference .com.

Iron sharpens iron welcomes solid rock remodeling to.

Our family of sponsors serving south central pennsylvania solid rock remodeling is

focused on discovering understanding and exceeding your expectations.

They deliver personalized project solutions with exceptional results.

Solid rock remodeling offers a full range of home renovations including kitchen and bath

remodeling decks porches windows and doors roof and siding and

more.

For a clear detailed professional estimate call this trustworthy team of problem solvers

who provide superior results that stand to the test of time.

Call solid rock remodeling at 717 697 1981

717 697 1981 or visit

solidrockremodeling .com that's solidrockremodeling .com.

Solid rock remodeling bringing new life to your home.

My name is steve lawson founder and president.

Of one passion ministries as well as teaching fellow for ligonier ministries.

I serve as professor of preaching and oversee the doctor of ministry program at the master's seminary in los angeles.

I would like to recommend the church where one of my preaching students andy woodard serves as the pastor.

It's called new covenant church nyc.

They are a reformed baptist church that meets in midtown manhattan.

You can find their service times and location on their website which is www

.ncc .nyc.

They believe in a sovereign god who commands all men everywhere to repent and believe the gospel.

If you're looking for a church that believes in expository preaching which is simply biblical preaching

in new york city i'd like to recommend that you visit new covenant church nyc

again.

Their information can be found at www .ncc .nyc.

Have a great day.

Tired of bop store christianity of doing church in a warehouse with all the trappings of a rock concert.

Do you long for a more traditional and reverent style of worship.

And how about the preaching.

Perhaps you've begun to think that in -depth biblical exposition has vanished from long island.

Well there's good news waiting.

River baptist church exists to provide believers with a meaningful and reverent worship experience

featuring the systematic exposition of god's word.

And this loving congregation looks forward to meeting you.

Call them at 631 -929 -3512 for service

631 -929 -3512 or check out their website at wrbc

.us.

That's wrbc .us.

I'm james white of alpha omega.

Ministries.

The new american standard bible is perfect for daily reading or in -depth study.

Used by pastors scholars and everyday readers the nasb is widely embraced and trusted.

As a literal and readable bible translation the nasb offers clarity and readability while maintaining high accuracy to the

original languages which the nasb is known for.

The nasb is available in many editions like a topical reference bible.

Researched and prepared by biblical scholars devoted to accuracy the new topical reference bible includes contemporary topics

relevant to today's issues from compacted giant print bibles.

Find an nasb that fits your needs very affordably at nasbible .com.

Whichever edition you choose trust discover and enjoy the nasb for yourself today.

Go to nasbible .com.

That's nasbible .com.

Hello.

My name is james renahan and i'm the president of irbs theological seminary in mansfield texas.

The word of god says if a man desires the office of an overseer he desires a good thing.

Do you have the desire to serve jesus christ in pastoral ministry.

20 years ago the institute of reformed baptist studies at westminster seminary california was

born.

For those two decades these institutions work together to train men for ministry in reformed baptist

churches.

It's been a wonderful partnership.

Now we have advanced our school into an independent seminary offering a full program of courses leading to

the master of divinity degree.

This is irbs theological seminary.

We believe that the scriptures of the old and new testaments are the inspired and inerrant word of god that jesus christ

is god in the flesh who came to save sinners by his life death and resurrection and that the task of the church is to

honor and serve the triune god in all things.

Irbs theological seminary is dedicated by god's grace to preparing godly ministers who will be committed to

these doctrines.

Do you sense a call to serve jesus christ in his church.

As a pastor why not consider irbs theological seminary.

You'll find more information at irbsseminary .org.

That's irbsseminary .org two s's in the middle.

I hope to hear from you soon.

God bless you.

Chris arnzen host of iron sharpens iron radio announcing a new website with an exciting offer from world

magazine by trusted source for news from a christian perspective.

Try world now at no charge for 90 days by going to getworldnow

.com.

That's getworldnow .com.

I rely on world because i trust the reporting.

I gain insight from the analysis and world provides clarity to the news stories that really matter.

I believe you'll also find world to be an invaluable resource to better understand critical topics with a

depth that's simply not found in other media outlets armed with this coverage.

World can help you to be a voice of wisdom in your family and your community.

This trial includes bi -weekly issues of world magazine on -scene reporting from world radio and the fully

shareable content of world digital.

There's no obligation and no credit card required.

Visit getworldnow .com today.

Also check out world news groups podcast the world and everything in it at

wng .org forward slash podcast.

That's w for world n for news g for group .org forward

slash.

Podcast

every day at thousands of community centers high schools middle schools juvenile institutions

coffee shops and local hangouts.

Long island youth for christ staff and volunteers meet with young people who need jesus.

We are rural and urban and we are always about the message of jesus.

Our mission is to have a noticeable spiritual impact on long island new york by engaging young people in the lifelong

journey of following christ.

Long island youth for christ has been a stalwart bedrock ministry since 1959.

We have a world -class staff and a proven track record of bringing consistent love and encouragement to

youths in need all over the country and around the world.

Help honor our history by becoming a part of our future volunteer.

Donate pray or all of the above.

For details call long island youth for

christ at 631 -385 -8333 that's 631 -385 -8333 or

visit liyfc .org that's

liyfc

.org.

Chris orenson host of iron sharpens iron radio.

Here.

I want to.

Tell you about a man i have personally known for many years.

His name is dan buttafuoco.

Dan is a personal injury and medical malpractice lawyer but not the type that typically comes to mind.

Dan cares about people and is a theologian himself.

Recently he wrote a book titled consider the evidence for the bible ravi zacharias wrote the

foreword.

Dan also has a master's degree in theology.

Dan handles serious injury and medical malpractice cases in all 50 states.

He represents many christians in serious injury matters all over the country.

Dan is an exceptional trial lawyer.

He wrote the test for the national board of trial advocacy and currently his firm has over 100

cases that have settled for 1 million dollars or more and in approximately 10

different states.

In illinois his lawyers had the fourth largest settlement in the state's history.

In new york his case involving a paralyzed police officer made the front page of the law journal.

If you have a serious personal injury or medical malpractice claim in any state i recommend that you

call dan.

Consultations are free there is no fee unless you win.

Dan buttafuoco's number is 1 -800 -669 -4878 1 -800

-669 -4878 or email me for dan's contact information.

At chrisarnson at gmail .com.

That's chrisarnson at gmail .com.

Have you been blessed by iron.

Radio we remain on the air because of our faithful sponsors and because of listeners like you.

There are four ways you can help.

First do you know potential sponsors who may wish to advertise their goods or services on iron sharpens

iron radio.

Second whenever possible purchase the products or use the services that our sponsors advertise

and then let them know that you heard about them on iron sharpens iron radio.

Thirdly you can also donate to iron sharpens iron radio by going to our website at

ironsharpensironradio .com and click support at the top of the page.

But most importantly keep iron sharpens iron radio in your prayers.

We hope that iron sharpens iron radio.

Blesses you for many years to come

one sure way all iron sharpens iron radio listeners can help.

Keep my show on the air is to support my advertisers.

I know you all use batteries every day so i'm urging you all from now on to exclusively

use batterydepot .com for all your battery needs at batterydepot .com.

They're changing the status quo.

They're flipping the script they're sticking it to the man.

In other words they'd like to change the battery industry for good.

By providing an extensive inventory of top -of -the -line batteries that are uniformly new

dependable and affordable.

Ordering from batterydepot .com ensures you'll always get fresh out -of -the -box batteries you

can count on to work properly at competitive prices.

Whether you need batteries for cordless phones cell phones radios pcs

laptops tablets baby monitors hearing aids smoke detectors credit card

readers digital cameras electronic cigarettes gps's mp3 players

watches or nearly anything else you own that needs batteries go to batterydepot

.com next day shipping available.

All products protected by 30 -day guarantees and six -month warranties.

Call 866 -403 -3768 that's 866

-403 -3768 or go to batterydepot .com.

That's batterydepot .com.

Hi i'm buzz taylor frequent co -host with chris irons and on iron sharpens iron radio.

I would like to introduce you to my good friends todd and patty jennings at cvbbs which stands for

cumberland valley bible book service.

Todd and patty specialize in supplying reformed and puritan books and bibles at discount prices that make them

affordable to everyone.

Since 1987 the family -owned and operated book service has sought to bring you the best available christian books

and bibles at the best possible prices.

Unlike other book sites they make no effort to provide every book that is available because frankly much of what

is being printed is worth your time.

That means you can get to the good stuff faster.

It also means that you don't have to worry about being assaulted by the pornographic heretical and

otherwise faith insulting material promoted by the secular book vendors.

Their website is cvbbs .com.

Browse the pages at ease shop at your leisure and purchase with confidence as todd and patty work

in service to you the church and to christ.

That's cumberland valley bible book service at cvbbs .com.

That's cvbbs .com.

Let todd and patty know that you heard about them on iron sharpens iron radio.

And please uh mention chris arenson of iron sharpens iron radio when you call.

And if you do so and you also order a minimum of fifty dollars worth of merchandise you will get shipping on

the free of charge.

And you will also get a free book.

They have not updated me yet on the free book that they're currently offering for

purchases of fifty dollars or more but i'm sure i'll find out about that uh tomorrow god willing

and just ask for the free book that they're offering and you will get it added to your purchase order of fifty

dollars or more.

Before i return to our guest today dr joel our beaky of puritan reform theological

seminary in grand rapids michigan and our discussion on reform preaching.

We just have a couple of important announcements to make in regard to special events that are coming up right around

the corner.

I will god willing once again be manning an exhibitor's booth for iron trip and zion

radio at the g3 conference in atlanta georgia.

That's actually in college park georgia which is a suburb of atlanta.

At the georgia international convention center in college park that's from thursday

january 17th through saturday january 19th and i believe that the registration

ends today.

So if you want to register i would do so quickly to make sure that they include you on the registrations.

There's also a pre -conference event being held on wednesday

january 16th involving my friend dr james r white of alpha omega ministries and a panel

of brothers who are going to be addressing the social justice warrior movement.

And also on wednesday january 16th there will be an exclusively spanish speaking

edition of the g3 conference and there is as always a huge

lineup of very impressive speakers.

Let me name some of these speakers my friend that i just mentioned dr james r white of alpha omega ministries john

piper stephen j lawson vody baucom mark dever conrad m bayway

nicknamed the spurgeon of africa pastor of kabwatha baptist church in lusaka zambia africa and chancellor of the

african christian university.

If you haven't heard conrad preach you've got to hear him preach as soon as you can.

A powerful powerful voice for the gospel of sovereign grace tim challey is phil johnson

the executive director of john macarthur's ministry.

Grace to you todd friel of wretched tv and wretched radio

steven j nichols the president of reformation bible college in sanford florida.

The college founded by the late rc sprawl and ligonier ministries and many more are on this

lineup.

If you would like to join us at the g3 conference i go to g3 conference .com g3

conference .com.

And then later on in the month of january i am for the very first time going to

be in the state of mississippi.

I've never been there before.

I will be at the bethlehem baptist church in laurel mississippi manning another iron radio booth

exhibitors booth for the deep south founders conference that's from

january 24th through the 26th in laurel mississippi and the speakers

include rusty reed gerald henderson jason crenshaw

bobby i'm sorry jason goodwin and bobby crenshaw.

And the keynote speaker again is dr conrad m bayway of kabwatha baptist church lusaka

zambia africa.

If you would like to register for the deep south founders conference go to deep south founders .com deep south founders

.com.

Last but not least if you love iron sharpens iron radio you don't want us to disappear from the air waves.

You love hearing the guests and topics that we address that very often are never heard anywhere else then

please contribute if you can by going to iron sharpens iron radio .com click

support then click click to donate.

Now you could use your debit or credit card to donate instantly in that way.

And you could also mail in a check the old -fashioned way to the address that appears on your computer screen when

you click support at iron sharpens iron radio .com.

And as i try to remind you every day please never ever ever siphon money

away from the regular giving that you're accustomed to to your local church in order to give to iron sharpens

iron radio.

Never do that never put your family in financial jeopardy by giving to iron sharpens iron

radio.

Those two things are commands of god providing for your church and home.

Providing for my radio show obviously is not a command of god.

But if you love the show you don't want it to disappear and you're financially blessed above and beyond

your ability to obey those two commands then please donate as frequently as you can and as heavily as

you can to iron sharpens iron radio .com click support.

Then click click to donate now.

If you are not a member of a bible -believing church and you're not prayerfully looking for one you are living in disobedience

to god.

So if you need help finding one send me an email to chrisarnsen at gmail .com and i can help you find

a church near you that is faithful to the scriptures.

I have lists of churches all over the world and i have already helped a number of iron sharpens iron radio listeners find

bible believing churches even as far away as perth australia and in many states in

the united states.

So just send me that email to chrisarnsen at gmail .com and we'll help you find a church.

Also if you want to advertise with us send me an email to that same address chrisarnsen at gmail .com and put advertising in

the subject line and as long as whatever it is you desire to promote is compatible

with what i believe.

You don't have to believe identically with me but you need to be promoting something that is at least

compatible with what we proclaim here on iron sharpens iron radio.

Then i would love to help you launch an ad campaign because we really need the advertising dollars as i said to survive

that's chris arnson at gmail .com and put advertising in the subject line.

That's also the email address to send in a question to dr joel beeky on our

discussion on reformed preaching.

That's chris arnson at gmail .com.

Chris arnson at gmail .com and dr beeky as you may remember before the break cj and lindenhurst long island new york

wants to know why.

It is very common amongst pastors in the heritage reformed congregation

denomination.

Uh to split up the sermon with at least one hymn in the middle of.

The

sermon and then you would have the

application and those were the days.

Could remember everything the minister said prior to the application

and get ready to hear all the applications.

Because we continue the tradition of 50 to 60

minutes that's a long time for people to sit without a break.

What we do points and

then sing a song for a

moment and then move

locations after the singing

anymore.

But we train our students here as well apply

it make a point apply it and then if your tradition

45 minutes as ours

does and it's a good

thing.

Well thank you cj

and.

Make sure that you give us your full mailing address there in lindenhurst long island because you have also won a free copy

of the book.

We are discussing by dr joel beeky today on reformed preaching.

And uh the subtitle of the book is proclaiming god's word from the heart of the

preacher to the heart of the people.

That's chris arn.

And if anybody else wants to join us it's chris arnson at gmail .com.

Chris arnson at gmail .com if you have a question.

Uh let's see here.

We have an anonymous listener who says.

One thing that troubles me about the way we conduct a worship service at the congregation where

i'm a member is that they take the offering after the

preacher preaches.

Now the reason that disturbs me is because when people should be listening

to the the word that is preached and having that echoing in their heart and mind when the service is

over that train of thought is interrupted while they shuffle around to reach

for their wallets and so on.

And they are more primarily thinking about putting their money in the collection plate rather than

what they just heard preach.

What.

How do you respond to this.

Way that i feel and i am truly troubled by

it so you

can express one of

your elders

decide

not to change.

I would just acquiesce to that and and try not to be too troubled by it.

I i think if people are really under deep impression after a sermon

reaching in

and

never been

distracted you feel that

way.

And one

thing that i can say uh to echo

the anonymous listener uh is that i think when.

Especially with with visitors especially even on top of that if they're lost

that might be something that totally robs them of their train of thought when they should be perhaps

thinking about the warnings provided in the sermon and the offer of the one and only way of

hope and peace and eternal life through the blood of christ.

Uh having the the money aspect at the very end after that sermon i could see that that might be

a problematic thing.

But of course being reformed i know that uh that people aren't saved

because of the cleverness of speech or even the articulate manner.

By the way we proclaim the word of god uh that he sovereignly uh

saves those whom he chooses.

We can only plant seeds and water them and it is god that gives the increase.

Uh but even dovetailing on that uh dr beaky

i know that we shouldn't be hyper calvinistic about what i just said.

Um because we know the god is sovereign over salvation.

And we know that we have heard things from history for instance like uh jonathan

edwards apparently uh reading sinners in the hands of an angry

god in a very unemotional and deadpan manner.

And we hear about charles spurgeon being saved as a teenager during a blizzard when he

wandered into a church for warmth a primitive methodist church and there was just one verse that

kept that was continually repeated i believe by a man who was filling in for the

pastor who couldn't even be there that day because of the blizzard uh and there was no powerful

articulation of the gospel that day.

But spurgeon uh that that that word was planted in uh spurgeon's heart and he was saved.

So we know that god saves whom he will and when he will.

But is there not still importance about.

The manner with which the gospel is preached.

Well yes of course.

Of course.

By the foolishness of preaching god saves

though though

with the subconsciousness as we preach that the holy spirit

alone can do it.

We are to

learn the language here but as if we could convert

centers but knowing that the holy spirit as calvin said is the second preacher in

every sermon and he takes the words that are preached and he brings them home to the heart.

But we seek to be that instrument that he uses.

That's probably the best way of putting.

We're co -laborers.

Well

anonymous if you.

Off the air of course give me your full name and full mailing address.

Uh you will also receive compliments of crossway and also compliments of our friends at cvbbs

.com a free copy of reformed preaching proclaiming god's word from the heart of the preacher to the heart of

the people.

And uh please uh always remember to give a thanks to

those providing you with these free books not only the publishers but also cvbbs .com.

Because we could never afford the fee for postage for the number of books that we

mail out regularly or should i say that they mail out regularly.

So we thank cvbbs .com from the bottom of our heart for doing that.

And also of course crossway and every other publisher that gives us these free books.

Uh let's see here.

Uh we have another anonymous listener who says

that i have heard from even some reformed preachers but predominantly non -reformed

preachers that we should not be teaching the doctrines of

predestination and other complicated doctrines that are believed today exclusively

by calvinists when we are evangelizing the lost that we should be merely

and purely and solely preaching the gospel without troubling the minds of

those hearing our message with the weightier and deeper and more complicated issues.

I have a problem with that notion personally because even jesus christ proclaimed

things in regard to the doctrines of grace that were offensive to his hearers knowing

that many would turn away from him and never return to him again.

So what is your thought on this.

Well i think i think we need to remember that the greatest evangelist of

all the ages particularly from they

were reformed preachers and they didn't

hesitate to preach the doctrines of election.

And they saw all these calvinistic doctrines as warm and vibrant and

lively and comprehensive and encouraging to poor

sinners christ and be saved.

It's only been down.

That's so bad.

A man has the ability to save himself by

initiate and think that free will preaching

or arminian preaching is more evangelistic you see i would not call.

And what you need to do in preaching is show people the enormity of their sin.

So they're thrown on the grace of god as their only hope for salvation.

So that they say if there were no election i would never be saved.

So this is uh something that is

very confusing.

Edwards which would feel the

people they were all solid reform prayed to

bring their people the deep truth.

And a human mentioned to to jonathan

edwards tone that has been questioned by recent scholars by the way.

Oh really yes it doesn't mean that he was as passionate by any means as george.

Even if his reading of his you

need to remember this that he when he when he preached his

heart his word choice was so gripping

that people would sit on the edge of their seats even if his style was not quite as passionate.

I think it's important for your listeners chris to understand that one preacher will naturally be more passionate

than another.

But i can speak in a very calm voice and be very very sincere.

Can't i as a preacher and really get to the affections of my people

that is full of quiet

earnestness.

And when edwards was a bit more of a quiet preacher but he had this gripping

vocabulary burning for this.

Well that was a powerful combination.

Even if he wasn't quite a reformed experience or preaching it's just about preaching

passionately.

It's about preaching god's truth to the hearts of your hearers.

Amen.

And um i believe what our listener.

May have been referring to was john chapter 6

in verse 64 through

the let's see through 65.

But there are some of you who do not believe for jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe and who it was

that would betray him and he was saying for this reason i have said to you that no one can come to me

unless it has been granted him from the father and as a result of this

many of his disciples withdrew and were not walking with him anymore.

That is obviously something uh uniquely taught today by those who are reformed

in that.

Obviously uh the father doesn't grant every single person the

ability to come to christ.

Otherwise we would all be universalists and everybody would be going to heaven and hell would be empty.

Am i right.

Right.

Right so what i'm

saying serve hell that

you're totally problem because every part of you is different.

This is one of the most encouraging evangelistic technique

centers.

And without that there's

no hope for me.

Election is the friend of sinners not the enemy.

Amen.

Uh thank you anonymous.

And uh you also need to give me if you would like a free copy of reformed preaching.

Give me your full name and mailing address.

Off the air of course and we will have cvbbs .com ship that book out

to you.

We're going to go to our final break right now.

This could be much shorter than the last one.

And if you do have a question that you would like to ask of dr beaky before we go off the air i would

strongly urge you to send in that question now before we run out of time.

That's chris arnson at gmail .com.

Chris arnson at gmail .com.

Don't go away.

God willing we will be right back with dr joel beaky and our discussion on reformed preaching proclaiming god's word from the heart.

Of the preacher to the heart of the people.

Hi.

I'm stephen limb lad assistant professor of systematic theology at irbs theological

seminary in mansfield texas.

I accepted this call to teach at the seminary because i'm firmly convinced that the people of

god in the churches of our lord jesus christ need to be firmly grounded in the truth

of holy scripture.

I'm excited to be teaching such subjects as the nature of theology and the doctrine of scripture

and even the doctrine of the person and work of jesus christ.

Our churches and our people need to be well grounded in these truths.

Indeed future ministers of the gospel need to understand these truths in order to proclaim them

to all of god's people.

If you want to learn more about our program visit us online at irbs.

Seminary .org.

Paul wrote to the church at galatia for am i now seeking the approval of man or of god or am i trying

to please man.

If i were still trying to please man i would not be a servant of.

Hi.

I'm mark lukens pastor of providence baptist church.

We are reformed baptist church and we hold to the london baptist confession of faith of 1689.

We are in nofork massachusetts.

We strive to reflect paul's mindset to be much more concerned with how god views what we say and what we do

than how men view these things.

That's not the best recipe for popularity but since that wasn't the apostle's priority it must not be ours either.

We believe by god's grace that we are called to demonstrate love and compassion to our fellow man and to be

vessels of christ's mercy to a lost and hurting community around us and to build up the body of christ in truth and

love.

If you live near nofork massachusetts or plan to visit our area please come and join us for worship and fellowship.

You can call us at 508 -528 -5750.

That's 508 -528 -5750.

Or go to our website to email us listen to past sermons worship songs or watch our tv program entitled

resting in grace you can find us at providence baptist church ma .org.

That's providence baptist church ma .org or even on sermon audio .com.

Providence baptist church is delighted to sponsor iron sharpens iron radio

gotta tell.

You for my money chris arnson's radio program is just the best

iron.

Criticizing iron i i think.

That's what it's called.

This is todd freel of wretched radio and tv with phil johnson.

Of grace to you inviting everybody to come to the g3 conference which has almost instantly become

one of the best conferences in the country.

And it is.

It's a great conference i love it.

And chris arnson was there last year.

He's been there i think every year.

It's great to see him there.

You and i actually did some recordings in the lobby at that place which is a highlight.

Tons of stuff going on tons of great speakers.

And no matter where you are in the building you will hear chris arnson's laugh.

And that's worth the price of admission alone if you would like to join.

Phil me chris and a cavalcade of great preachers.

So it should be a cavalcade of great preachers and me.

G3 conference .com.

G3 conference .com.

Linbrook baptist church on 225 earl avenue in linbrook long island is teaching god's timeless truths in

the 21st century.

Our church is far more.

Than a sunday worship service.

It's a place of learning where the scriptures are studied and the preaching of the gospel is clear and relevant.

It's like a gym where one can exercise their faith through community involvement.

It's like a hospital for wounded souls where one can find compassionate people in healing.

We're a diverse family of all ages enthusiastically serving our lord jesus.

Christ in fellowship play and together.

Hi i'm pastor bob waldeman and i invite you to come and join us here at linbrook baptist church and see all that a church can

be call linbrook baptist.

At 516 -599 -9402 that's 516 -599 -9402 or

visit linbrookbaptist .org that's linbrookbaptist .org.

Hello.

I'm dr kerry kimbrell senior pastor at bethlehem baptist church in laurel mississippi and i'm hoping that many of you who

listen to chris arnson's iron sharpens iron radio program will join chris and me at the deep south

founders conference thursday january 24th through saturday january 26th here in

laurel.

If you love god's word and love to hear it powerfully preached i can assure you that you will not be

disappointed.

Our speakers at the deep south founders conference this year include rusty reed gerald henderson jason

goodwin bobby crenshaw and our keynote speaker all the way from zambia dr conrad

mbaywe who has received the nickname the spurgeon of africa.

And i for one believe it's a very accurate description of brother conrad.

For more details go to deep south founders .com.

That's deep south founders .com.

I look forward to giving a big mississippi welcome to many iron sharpens iron radio listeners

january 24th through january 26th.

Thank you.

My name is steve lawson founder and president of one passion ministries as well as teaching fellow for ligonier

ministries.

I serve as professor of preaching and oversee the doctor of ministry program at the master's seminary in los angeles.

I would like to recommend the church where one of my preaching students andy woodard serves as the pastor.

It's called new covenant church nyc.

They are a reformed baptist church that meets in midtown manhattan.

You can find their service times and location on their website which is www

.ncc .nyc.

They believe in a sovereign god who commands all men everywhere to repent and believe the gospel.

If you're looking for a church that believes in expository preaching which is simply biblical preaching

in new york city i'd like to recommend that you visit new covenant church nyc

again.

Their information can be found.

At www .ncc .nyc.

Have a great day.

Iron sharpens iron radio is sponsored by harvey cedars a year -round.

Bible conference and retreat center.

Nestled on the jersey shore harvey cedars offers a wide range of accommodations to suit groups up

to 400.

For generations christians have enjoyed gathering and growing at harvey cedars.

Each year thousands of high school and college students come and learn more about god's word.

An additional 9 000 come annually to harvey cedars as families couples

singles men women pastors seniors and missionaries.

90 miles from new york city 70 miles from philly and 95 miles from

wilmington and easily accessible.

Scores of notable christian groups frequently planned conferences at harvey cedars like the

navigators intervarsity christian fellowship campus crusade and the alliance of

confessing evangelicals.

Find harvey cedars on facebook or at hcbible .org

hcbible

.org.

Call 609 -494 -5689 609 -494 -5689.

Harvey cedars where christ.

Finds people and changes lives.

James white of alphanomega.

Ministries here if you've watched.

My dividing line webcast often enough.

You know i have a great love for getting bibles and other documents vital to my ministry rebound to

preserve and ensure their longevity.

And besides that they feel so good.

I'm so delighted i discovered post tenebrous lux bible rebinding.

No radio ad will be long enough to sing their praises sufficiently but i'll give it a shot.

Jeffrey rice of post tenebrous lux is a remarkably gifted craftsman and artisan.

All his work is done by hand from the cutting to the pleating of corners to the perimeter stitching.

Jeffrey uses the finest and buttery soft imported leathers in a wide variety of gorgeous colors like

the turquoise goat skin tanned in italy used for my nestle all in 28th edition with a navy

blue goat skin inside liner and the electric blue goat skin from a french tannery used to rebind a

reformation study bible i used as a gift.

The silver gilding he added on the page edges has a stunning mirror finish resembling highly polished

chrome.

Jeffrey will customize your rebinding to your specifications and even emboss your logo into the leather

making whatever he rebinds a one -of -a -kind work of art.

For more details on post tenebrous lux bible rebinding go to ptl.

Bible rebinding .com.

That's ptl.

Bible rebinding .com.

Listening

to christian radio can be a big gamble.

Spiritually even many of the major christian networks that include excellent biblically faithful teachers on

their lineup sadly often also include the worst of doctrinally dangerous heretics.

If you are a lover of the doctrines of sovereign grace you need not fear listening 24 hours a day to

firstloveradio .org.

They feature christ -centered programming from reformed pastors and teachers you can rely upon for theological

soundness and biblical faithfulness such as dr wr downing dr peter masters

pastor joe jackowitz pastor robert gifford al martin edward delcour and

more.

Firstloveradio .org also live streams my iron sharpens iron radio program daily.

Please stick around on firstloveradio .org after iron sharpens iron radio is over to continue

being blessed by the unwavering proclamation of the gospel of sovereign grace.

Spread the word about.

Firstloveradio .org

welcome back this is chris arnzen and this is the last segment of our.

Interview today with dr joel r beecke the president of puritan reform

theological seminary in grand rapids michigan.

We are discussing dr beecke's book reformed preaching proclaiming god's word from the heart of the

preacher to the heart of the people.

And our email address is chris arnzen at gmail .com.

Chris arnzen at gmail .com.

Please give us your first name at least your city and state and your country of residence if you live outside of the

usa.

Before i go to one of our listener questions dr beecke i wanted to have you uh

clarify something that you said.

And perhaps you can repeat it in exactly the way you said it but there may be some listening who are highly

offended by the fact that you said that arminian preaching is not preaching.

And perhaps you could give us the the exact way you phrased it but would you.

Would you not distinguish what you said uh but

by saying that um that there are arminian

preachers who have preached powerfully the true gospel in an excellent way because

their sermon was not uniquely arminian even if it was an unconscious thing.

That happened obviously if if a sermon is specifically containing

something that is uniquely arminian in its theology and emphasis.

Uh you might have a a false sermon or at least a very flawed one but but do not arminians

by the grace of god preach the true gospel very often uh even if it

is contradicting.

Unconsciously their own theology.

Well yeah thanks.

Thanks for bringing it up.

I didn't i didn't even realize this.

But arminian preaching is not preaching.

I'm not i i must have said that but what i what i meant to say whole

gospel in a way.

Because the point i'm trying to make is that today there are

people out there who actually think that arminian preaching is more evangelistic than i'm

saying to you.

Is that the reform preaching.

When it when you preach to the whole man the whole council of god is far more evangelistic.

In preaching your salvation depends at least some part upon

you and god is

as it were waiting for you to respond.

Whereas in reform preaching god works on the will and you are saved by

free and sovereign grace.

And that's what gives hope.

Because once you realize who you are in telling people

but he bends the

will so that we then will.

Yes and you may have heard this quote and i believe it may have originated

with j .i packer but i'm not sure if he was borrowing somebody's out somebody else's

thought or if the thought originated with him but and of course i'm paraphrasing because i don't have it right in front of me but

dr packer said that all men are calvinists on their knees when they pray

and in right and in like way uh when an arminian man is opening up

the god -breathed truths of the scripture and he is proclaiming them as they are taught uh

he is going to be proclaiming a true message even if he is uh

even if he is not aware that what he is preaching is contradicting.

His theology on paper.

Well sure.

A good example is

john about

the will of man being exercised.

So that's that's all i meant to say about my comment right.

And even uh the prince of preachers.

Charles hadden spurgeon had invited to his pulpit dl moody and he may have even invited

other arminian preachers that i am unaware of.

Uh but uh obviously uh.

Charles spurgeon thought that thought highly enough of of brother moody's uh

abilities behind the pulpit that he would.

Actually uh open up that pulpit to him right.

And there's there's i

understand and i know.

Many reformed preachers that would share your your view and perhaps even most and

vice versa.

I know many arminian preachers that would never allow a calvinist to ascend into.

Their pulpit.

Right right.

Uh we had one thing i wanted to say before we were out of time here.

Chris.

Um my manager brought a

40 book.

You can get one copy

but we also you can go online at 50 six

for 95 and 12 for one.

And um it'd be good if your listeners could get a copy.

For

lay people also need preaching.

It would be a great thing to do.

Amen.

We have a first time.

Questioner randy in nashville north carolina.

I didn't even know there was a nashville in north carolina i'm only familiar with the one in tennessee and

randy says we have witnessed a resurgence in the doctrines of grace in this generation.

When i talk with pastors of all kinds many of the men would consider themselves reformed

but this is compartmentalized adherence in a couple of ways.

First men tell me they are personally reformed but their church is not.

They are personally reformed but they don't preach those truths.

Second men express adherence and appreciation for the five points of calvinism.

But they have no appreciation for and are often hostile towards the other

elements of reformed life so that worship corporate prayer the lord's day and the

use of the law in the believer's life are viewed as totally separate and unrelated things.

Is this a historical aberration.

Are there any similar parallels in church history.

First of all the prop of dating i would agree with and

people think they're reformed in calvinist major tenets of

soteriological calvinism that is the doctrine of salvation.

Book for r .c. spruill published by

reformation trust called living for the glory of god an introduction to calvinism.

I tried to look at 28 areas to show that calvinism is a comprehensive world -wide

view a way of interpreting the scriptures that is the most consistent way of interpreting the scriptures i

believe in.

In a comprehensive includes for

and often people who who are who

embrace theology

they don't embrace

every one

thing.

To say i believe in the doctrines of grace with regard to salvation.

It's another thing to have that spread and love godliness

and that my walk of

worship that is god glorifying doesn't care.

By the way about the new embrace of calvinism i'm very

thrilled by that on one side but on the other i'm hoping that it will spread to a full orbed

view of

their

people who have been to the doctrines of salvation.

Amen.

And don't you think that we have.

To be patient with our brethren because the doctrines of grace are spreading

into denominations and fellowships and brotherhoods and congregations from

backgrounds where these teachings were totally absent and

and where these teachings were foreign to these particular groups for centuries or

decades.

And you and you have a good one and you have like for instance i know pentecostal congregations that have discovered

the doctrines of sovereign grace and they are beginning to preach and teach these things.

And of course there is not always an 180 degree reversal in everything

that is done because these things sometimes take time even even through the guidance of the holy

spirit to be to fully reform a congregation.

Yes and that we preach to the whole man

then the whole man of the preacher must be impacted by his preaching as well.

So a big part of my book when i talk about preaching reformed today means that

the preacher himself and i try to try to

ever be a wrestler in prayer with god.

I've got to i've got to be burdened to bring them up i've got to have

integrity living a worldly life.

And i think the more we go back to the old literature and to the bible itself of course

the more they will realize that.

And just this

america but even much more so in columbia and

argentina now and chile and

believe in china very

young and need need good literature need good preaching.

And so we do need to be patient.

On the other hand it's urgent

preach these things

faithfully so that people really do come to.

We have mary in cork ireland who

asks what do you.

Do if there is no reformed congregation faithfully preaching these truths in

your area.

Yes that's.

Personally

even if

you have

to

drive a bit

if

that all these

things are not

possible.

Well mary uh we know

that you have

a son

who's a pastor in the united states and we are giving the.

Last copy of the book reformed preaching to him.

Thank you very much for the question and now i'd like to uh make sure that you give our listeners

dr beeky all of the contact information they need to get a hold of you and and of

course give us the website again for heritage.

Reformation

heritage books.

Right.

And again you can get 3 5 and 12 for 180 and give it out

to other people.

Well thank you so much dr beeky for being on our program today.

I want to thank.

Everybody who listened especially those who took the time to write and i hope you all always remember for the rest of your lives that

jesus christ is a far greater savior than you are a sinner.